Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:50:49PM -0500, will trillich wrote: would this be an evil idea? :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's generally considered a bad idea to do things like that - it's just tit for tat network abuse and isn't likely achieve anything. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpy5Bx9Wisv4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 12:24:23PM +0400, Rino Mardo wrote: 2. senders to this list should not receive their own emails. i don't know about the 2nd one for the rest but i do received my own emails which is annoying. It's the standard behaviour for all the MLMs I'm familiar with, although some make it optional. It's partly a historical thing springing from the way mailing lists have been implemented in the past (as /etc/alias entries), partly for verification (I know my message went out - I can see it) and partly there for some kinds of processing of lists. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgp8X7fOf1KPN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
Mike == Mike Leone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike From: Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:48:17 -0600 (MDT) I though spam was any inappropriate and unsolicited message sent out to a large number of email addresses - which is what netvigator.com is doing... or does it matter that they are doing it piecemeal, rather than in one big mailing. Mike No. Spam is UCE - Unsolicited *Commercial* Email. While Mike these messages are inappropriate (if they'd fix their Mike system, we wouldn't be getting them) and unsolicited (in Mike that we didn't ask for them), they are *not* Mike commercial. Therefore not spam, and therefore not subject Mike (or should not be) to RBL, spamfilters, legal decrees Mike against UCE, etc. Mike, please do a dict spam (or look it up in the jargon file if you don't have dict installed). UCE is spam... but spam is not just UCE. Bruce is right. Bye, J -- Jürgen A. Erhard[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (GERMANY) 0721 27326 My WebHome: http://members.tripod.com/Juergen_Erhard Internet Movie Database (http://www.imdb.com) If you can't solve a problem with brute force, you're not using enough. pgpsRgfA8cbHe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 03:21:17AM +0200 or thereabouts, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: I'd like to point out that (if the recipient is not a mailing list :) these messages are useful, they let you know your mail bounced and will not be read. This could be important information, under defferent circumstances... the point is, that it should be bounced to the mailing list, not the sender. the mailing list software then filters these messages, so they don't annoy the posters. cutting in here... 1. yes it should be bounced to the mailing list. 2. senders to this list should not receive their own emails. i don't know about the 2nd one for the rest but i do received my own emails which is annoying. -- Who's watching the watchmen? ICQ: 15096825
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
Sometimes receiving your own emails is useful: if you're testing a new install or MTA, there's nothing so advantageous as to get an email back from the list to which you sent it. It tends to obliterate the need for test messages, and if you're lucky, you get an answer back to the question you asked. 8) Saves time, in that context... Alpha
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 03:21:17 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen writes: the point is, that it should be bounced to the mailing list, not the sender. the mailing list software then filters these messages, so they don't annoy the posters. s/mailing list/envelope-from/, which every senseful mailing-list software sets to some bounce-address. just for clarification, rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:24:23 +0400, Rino Mardo writes: 2. senders to this list should not receive their own emails. i don't know about the 2nd one for the rest but i do received my own emails which is annoying. Actually I like getting my own posts via the lists, it´s my insurance that they went where I want them. But that´s to everyones liking, listar has the per-user ECHOPOST option therefore. rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:50:49PM -0500, will trillich wrote: would this be an evil idea? :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] i assume that is correct procmail syntax, ive never tried forwarding mail with procmail before. but as far as whether sending there spam back to them is a good or evil idea i would venture to say it does not matter since i would bet a nickel there is nobody reading root's mail on that server. there is probably 10 messages sitting in /var/mail/root (or more likely C\WINNT\PROFILES\ADMINITRATOR\MAIL or wherever NT puts mail...) people have already sent complains to webmaster, postmaster and abuse among others and have been ignored, its safe to assume nobody reads mail for those accounts either (they probably aren't even pointed at a real account like there supposed to) oh well, such is life for the rest of us when clowns get the root password and are called sysadmins. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpYyGk2g0Bmf.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:13:53 -0800, Ethan Benson writes: oh well, such is life for the rest of us when clowns get the root password and are called sysadmins. from my (private) sigrot-file: -- From empirical experience, your Exchange admin -- needs to put down the crack pipe and open a window -- to disperse the fumes. -- -- Joe Thompson, ASR SCNR, rw -- / Robert Waldner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Phone: +43 1 89933 0 Fax x533 \ \KPNQwest/AT tech staff| Diefenbachg. 35 A-1150 Wien /
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 09:13:53PM -0800, Ethan Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:50:49PM -0500, will trillich wrote: would this be an evil idea? :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] i assume that is correct procmail syntax, ive never tried forwarding mail with procmail before. but as far as whether sending there spam back to them is a good or evil idea i would venture to say it does not matter since i would bet a nickel there is nobody reading root's mail on that server. there is probably 10 messages sitting in /var/mail/root (or more likely C\WINNT\PROFILES\ADMINITRATOR\MAIL or wherever NT puts mail...) Actually, it looks more like a Solaris or possibly Linux box. Or more likely boxes in a farm. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpHxkgSHPOF6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
but as far as whether sending there spam back to them is a good or Mailbox full messages are NOT spam. Altho the full messages are just as annoying, spam is email for COMMERCIAL SOLICITATION. -- *-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-* Michael Leone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF --
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:04:30PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 09:13:53PM -0800, Ethan Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: there is probably 10 messages sitting in /var/mail/root (or more likely C\WINNT\PROFILES\ADMINITRATOR\MAIL or wherever NT puts mail...) Actually, it looks more like a Solaris or possibly Linux box. Or more likely boxes in a farm. i'd go with looks like boxes in a circus...
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Mike Leone wrote: but as far as whether sending there spam back to them is a good or Mailbox full messages are NOT spam. Altho the full messages are just as annoying, spam is email for COMMERCIAL SOLICITATION. I though spam was any inappropriate and unsolicited message sent out to a large number of email addresses - which is what netvigator.com is doing... or does it matter that they are doing it piecemeal, rather than in one big mailing. later, Bruce
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
-- Original Message -- From: Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:48:17 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Mike Leone wrote: but as far as whether sending there spam back to them is a good or Mailbox full messages are NOT spam. Altho the full messages are just as annoying, spam is email for COMMERCIAL SOLICITATION. I though spam was any inappropriate and unsolicited message sent out to a large number of email addresses - which is what netvigator.com is doing... or does it matter that they are doing it piecemeal, rather than in one big mailing. No. Spam is UCE - Unsolicited *Commercial* Email. While these messages are inappropriate (if they'd fix their system, we wouldn't be getting them) and unsolicited (in that we didn't ask for them), they are *not* commercial. Therefore not spam, and therefore not subject (or should not be) to RBL, spamfilters, legal decrees against UCE, etc. -- *-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-*-^-* Michael Leone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF --
[OT] Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
Quoth kmself@ix.netcom.com, Actually, it looks more like a Solaris or possibly Linux box. Or more likely boxes in a farm. [penguin:~]%host -t MX my.netvigator.com my.netvigator.com MX 20 mdmail.netvigator.com [penguin:~]%telnet mdmail.netvigator.com 25 Trying 208.167.231.172... Connected to mdmail.netvigator.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220-imsmdm001.netvigator.com Microsoft SMTP MAIL ready at Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:55:04 +0800 Version: 5.5.1877.197.19 220 ESMTP spoken here quit 221 imsmdm001.netvigator.com Service closing transmission channel Connection closed by foreign host. [penguin:~]% Maybe my network forensics is a little rusty, but looks like some flavour of windows to me (nmap couldn't identify it...) cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead pgpbEXNoTvQfO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 08:50:38PM -0400, Mike Leone wrote: :-- Original Message -- :From: Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:48:17 -0600 (MDT) : :On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Mike Leone wrote: : but as far as whether sending there spam back to them is a good or : : Mailbox full messages are NOT spam. Altho the full messages are just as annoying, spam is email for COMMERCIAL SOLICITATION. I'd like to point out that (if the recipient is not a mailing list :) these messages are useful, they let you know your mail bounced and will not be read. This could be important information, under defferent circumstances... -Jon
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Anyone read full mail headers from said email's headers: Received: from AspEmail ([208.167.231.173]) by imsmdm002.netvigator.com with +Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:06:07 +0800 No need to go fiddlin' with smtp... -Jon On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 11:59:43AM +1100, Damon Muller wrote: :Quoth kmself@ix.netcom.com, : : Actually, it looks more like a Solaris or possibly Linux box. Or more : likely boxes in a farm. : :[penguin:~]%host -t MX my.netvigator.com :my.netvigator.com MX 20 mdmail.netvigator.com : :[penguin:~]%telnet mdmail.netvigator.com 25 :Trying 208.167.231.172... :Connected to mdmail.netvigator.com. :Escape character is '^]'. :220-imsmdm001.netvigator.com Microsoft SMTP MAIL ready at Sat, 23 Sep :2000 08:55:04 +0800 Version: 5.5.1877.197.19 :220 ESMTP spoken here :quit :221 imsmdm001.netvigator.com Service closing transmission channel :Connection closed by foreign host. :[penguin:~]% : :Maybe my network forensics is a little rusty, but looks like some :flavour of windows to me (nmap couldn't identify it...) : :cheers, : :damon : :-- :Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches :Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, :http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... :PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
I'd like to point out that (if the recipient is not a mailing list :) these messages are useful, they let you know your mail bounced and will not be read. This could be important information, under defferent circumstances... the point is, that it should be bounced to the mailing list, not the sender. the mailing list software then filters these messages, so they don't annoy the posters. regards -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. -- Become part of the world's biggest computer cluster - join http://www.distributed.net/
Re: [OT] Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
Quoth Jonathan D. Proulx, Anyone read full mail headers from said email's headers: Received: from AspEmail ([208.167.231.173]) by imsmdm002.netvigator.com with +Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:06:07 +0800 No need to go fiddlin' with smtp... Well, yes, that's much simpler... But in my defense, I didn't have a copy of the original message as I have been dumping mail from that address into the bit-bucket for weeks :) cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead pgpyT6XOOXDZR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:46:02AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: my.netvigator.com has a moron with root password instead of a system administrator who knows how to configure an MTA (or replace it with one that does not suck) this has been going on for at least 2 or more weeks. just add this to your .procmailrc and be done with it: :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null would this be an evil idea? :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:05:17AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: except this broken MTA helpfully neglects to mention WHO the user is that has a full mailbox. so there is no way to know who to unsubscribe. The Debian mailing lists use a VERP-like (it might actually be VERP, I can't remember or be bothered to look) system which includes the recipient address in the sender information. Of course, the broken mail software is generating bounces to the From: in the message rather than the envelope sender so that won't actually help much... -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 09:10:20AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: Yesterday I posted three messages to this list. All arrived (I received them today), but I also got 3 notifications (one attached) saying that they couldn't be delivered because the recipient's mail box was full. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any explanation? yes my.netvigator.com has a moron with root password instead of a system administrator who knows how to configure an MTA (or replace it with one that does not suck) this has been going on for at least 2 or more weeks. just add this to your .procmailrc and be done with it: :0 * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgp8QIXqZJgOH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
Anthony Campbell wrote: Yesterday I posted three messages to this list. All arrived (I received them today), but I also got 3 notifications (one attached) saying that they couldn't be delivered because the recipient's mail box was full. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any explanation? These are from list subscribers whose mailboxes are full; there's no problem at your end or in the list. If a user is a continuing problem, we will have to ask the list administrators to unsubscribe him. Let this also be a reminder to people who leave mail on their servers that they should purge saved mail from time to time; otherwise they may exceed their quotas and be unable to receive new mail. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Malachi 3:10
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:08:15AM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: Anthony Campbell wrote: Yesterday I posted three messages to this list. All arrived (I received them today), but I also got 3 notifications (one attached) saying that they couldn't be delivered because the recipient's mail box was full. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any explanation? These are from list subscribers whose mailboxes are full; there's no problem at your end or in the list. If a user is a continuing problem, we will have to ask the list administrators to unsubscribe him. except this broken MTA helpfully neglects to mention WHO the user is that has a full mailbox. so there is no way to know who to unsubscribe. Let this also be a reminder to people who leave mail on their servers that they should purge saved mail from time to time; otherwise they may exceed their quotas and be unable to receive new mail. indeed. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpi46aSdopC5.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Ethan Benson wrote: except this broken MTA helpfully neglects to mention WHO the user is that has a full mailbox. so there is no way to know who to unsubscribe. How many subscribers from my.netvigator.com does the list have... trash'em all (I don't have the luxury of mail filtering, and it is getting really annoying). later, Bruce
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
I would have to agree. BTW procmail is great. -- Original Message -- From: Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:06:48 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Ethan Benson wrote: except this broken MTA helpfully neglects to mention WHO the user is that has a full mailbox. so there is no way to know who to unsubscribe. How many subscribers from my.netvigator.com does the list have... trash'em all (I don't have the luxury of mail filtering, and it is getting really annoying). later, Bruce -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On 19 Sep 2000, Oliver Elphick wrote: Anthony Campbell wrote: Yesterday I posted three messages to this list. All arrived (I received them today), but I also got 3 notifications (one attached) saying that they couldn't be delivered because the recipient's mail box was full. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any explanation? These are from list subscribers whose mailboxes are full; there's no problem at your end or in the list. If a user is a continuing problem, we will have to ask the list administrators to unsubscribe him. Let this also be a reminder to people who leave mail on their servers that they should purge saved mail from time to time; otherwise they may exceed their quotas and be unable to receive new mail. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R/32B8FAA1: 97 EA 1D 47 72 3F 28 47 6B 7E 39 CC 56 E4 C1 47 Thanks for the clarification. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.2 (Windows-free zone) Book Reviews: http://www.pentelikon.freeserve.co.uk/bookreviews/ Skeptical articles: http://www.freethinker/uklinux.net/ Palo y tente tieso. (Spanish proverb) Free translation: Hold fast is your only dog.
Re: Message saying this lists's mailbox is full
On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 09:10:20AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: Yesterday I posted three messages to this list. All arrived (I received them today), but I also got 3 notifications (one attached) saying that they couldn't be delivered because the recipient's mail box was full. Has anyone seen anything like this? Any explanation? This is because someone has a full mailbox who subscribes to the list, the MTA that is handling their ISP thinks the mail came directly from you to them and sends you the notification. You will often see a similar problem with people who don't disable their mailing list subscriptions when they go on vacation or a business trip so you get an away message from them. Most mailing lists I get two or three every time I send a message. There is nothing the mailing list can do about it, it is caused by a subscriber's ISP having a misconfigured MTA. -- Harry Henry Gebel, Senior Developer, Landon House SBSICQ# 76308382 West Dover Hundred, Delaware
