Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
Yury, Take a look at this: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2012/12/03/debian-mobile/ Debian on smart phones. Cheers, Beco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caluyw2xhao22yrg+u7gp+cjtvo6gftf2p3utnrwsayvse0x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: Linux _is_ the kernel. Perhaps what you're after is a device that runs GNU? Richard Still better, you might want a device that runs GNU/KDE! :) Regards, Beco -- Dr Beco A.I. researcher My psychiatrist told me I was crazy. I told him I wanted a second opinion. He told me that I was also ugly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALuYw2xV5P1kzdQEGLFgf0p7XEGFsxSM=mckefzjgm6d_vd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On 26/11/12 06:53, Carl Fink wrote: I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? Linux _is_ the kernel. Perhaps what you're after is a device that runs GNU? Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50bacf9d.8040...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? I still use the Nokia N900 with Maemo. Has its issues, but all in all a great phone. Concur. Getting a little long in the tooth, but I have mine overclocked from the factory 600MHz to 900. Still a viable platform. I am hoping that Jolla will produce something really nice. Though they just reveled the UI and it looks like an iOS/Android clone, while I want proper window/app management like Hildon/Matchbox. Still, others might like that, and if the hardware is good it should be possible to replace the UI, since it uses X. I would love to see them implement KDE/plasma active. --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+Y5htxTZTHo7-RbUEfPnB=djvj_dkxtx3e3w-csk9e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
Am 25. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so: moin moin, On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:36:22AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is FOSS? There are certainly some issue regarding release time and what some of the phone manufacturers have been doing. Yes, but. Specifically: but phones aren't sold actually running Cyanogenmod. Actual Android installed on phones/tables that I can find (with the exception of your helpful suggestion below) run a proprietary Android instead. Yeah, phones have wandered into the wasteland for now :(. What about the Nexus phones that are Google's approved development line and have official CyanogenMod support? http://www.cyanogenmod.org/devices/nexus-s I realize they don't come with Cyanogenmod, but that can be remedied. There are several allwinner based tablets that can run a traditional distro as well as android. http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html What a great-looking device. Only problem: not in stock right now. I literally might have bought it instantly if I could have. Keep watching that space! :) I hope they get them in stock in time to get your business. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # Rock 'n' roll might not solve your problems, but it does let you dance # all over them. -- Pete Townsend
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:27:09AM +0400, Yury Sakarinen wrote: HI, Carl. Openmoko (Freerunner GTA02 GTA04), Nanonote. Touch book (not actually). Obsolete, supported by no carrier, not actually intended for consumer use. I am not a developer, the target market. http://alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm Interesting device, but limited compared to the Zareason one posted earlier. Half the RAM, 1/4 the mass storage (MicroSD card), one vs. two USB ports, etc. Also a quick web search finds literally nowhere to actually buy one. Also u can install linux-distro (e.g debian) any android tablet/phone. In this country (the United States of America), it's arguably illegal and will often void your contract with a cell phone carrier. (There is one court ruling that it is legal, but to my limited knowledge the US Supreme Court hasn't ruled, and until they do that could easily be overturned.) And even if legal it isn't trivial or safe. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121126120300.ga1...@panix.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:14:30AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Yeah, phones have wandered into the wasteland for now :(. What about the Nexus phones that are Google's approved development line and have official CyanogenMod support? I have a grudge against Google. See, I own a Motorola Photon 4G. http://supportmymoto.com I don't like being told, Yeah, we promised you something, but since it would cost us money to actually do that we're going to just refuse. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121126121005.gc1...@panix.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on iThingies. I won an iPad2 a long time ago and the hardware is amazing. As far as I know there's less hardware or no hardware that can compare with Apple hardware for tablet PCs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353931901.2508.317.camel@q
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: Openmoko (Freerunner GTA02 GTA04), Nanonote. Touch book (not actually). Obsolete, supported by no carrier, not actually intended for consumer use. I am not a developer, the target market. ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. Also u can install linux-distro (e.g debian) any android tablet/phone. In this country (the United States of America), it's arguably illegal and will often void your contract with a cell phone carrier. (There is one court ruling that it is legal, but to my limited knowledge the US Supreme Court hasn't ruled, and until they do that could easily be overturned.) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall And even if legal it isn't trivial or safe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/be9ae77dbff423e925cb8d86bd27a...@onego.ru
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
Yury Sakarinen z...@onego.ru wrote: Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: I am not a developer, the target market. ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. Actually this is Debian User. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/96fa785b-a095-40cc-b5ea-d42f9f175...@email.android.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Carl Fink ca...@panix.com wrote: Yury Sakarinen z...@onego.ru wrote: Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: I am not a developer, the target market. ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. Actually this is Debian User. So it's the wrong list since Debian doesn't publish a phone OS... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sy2sx1ynhciokrg+b2-1u4q55beocenbyu5encwbt2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
Am 26. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:14:30AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Yeah, phones have wandered into the wasteland for now :(. What about the Nexus phones that are Google's approved development line and have official CyanogenMod support? I have a grudge against Google. See, I own a Motorola Photon 4G. http://supportmymoto.com I don't like being told, Yeah, we promised you something, but since it would cost us money to actually do that we're going to just refuse. Ah, I wasn't aware of all that. I used to buy Mot phones when I could. Once Mot refused to unlock the Android boot loaders I have refused to even consider Mot phones. I have been hoping Google would improve things once it takes over. Guess not :(. Thanks for letting me know about that campaign. The Galaxy Nexus is Samsung, but has the Google blessing as a dev platform, so Cyanogenmod support and functionality should be really good. The carrier can still raise a stink. If you want more freedom from the carriers, move to Europe :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe -- H.G. Wells
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:11:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on iThingies. I've seen a proof-of-concept Linux running on (I think) a first gen iPad, but I don't think it's got beyond the cool this is possible stage. I won an iPad2 a long time ago and the hardware is amazing. As far as I know there's less hardware or no hardware that can compare with Apple hardware for tablet PCs. It depends what you want to do with it, really, but Apple's build quality is very good, yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121126163005.GB23442@debian
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:30 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 01:11:41PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: It would be nice, if there would be the manpower to enable Linux installs on iThingies. I've seen a proof-of-concept Linux running on (I think) a first gen iPad, but I don't think it's got beyond the cool this is possible stage. Correct and there isn't a jailbreak + some patches and drivers + a howto available to install Linux. Alternatively using the iPad as remote would be nice, but I even get a WiFi connection (at least not ad hoc) established between Linux and the iPad. http://www.starnet.com/products/ilivex/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353948711.2508.413.camel@q
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Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? I still use the Nokia N900 with Maemo. Has its issues, but all in all a great phone. I am hoping that Jolla will produce something really nice. Though they just reveled the UI and it looks like an iOS/Android clone, while I want proper window/app management like Hildon/Matchbox. Still, others might like that, and if the hardware is good it should be possible to replace the UI, since it uses X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8ozngu1zzb60o_ypco61oaffzuctdk4dyjm4dyjuh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 09:07:08AM -0500, Carl Fink wrote: Yury Sakarinen z...@onego.ru wrote: Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03: I am not a developer, the target market. ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions.. Actually this is Debian User. There is debian-mobile. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127054322.GX5407@tal
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
Am 25. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so: moin moin Carl, I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is FOSS? There are certainly some issue regarding release time and what some of the phone manufacturers have been doing. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? There are several allwinner based tablets that can run a traditional distro as well as android. http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html ### Some manufacturers consider root to be a four-letter-word. We don't. The ZaTab is an open device. The bootloader is unlocked. Root access is available. We welcome the community to develop custom ROMs and port other Linux distros to the ZaTab. ### Work is underway to support other OSen. Aaron Seigo announced an allwinnner KDE Plasma tablet some time ago. Looks like it has been delayed again, but I believe it's always been based on a tablet that is already on the market and is already running a Linux distro specialized for the architecture. I believe that distro is based on debian. http://liliputing.com/2012/09/vivaldi-kde-plasma-linux-tablet-delayed-devs-looking-at-new-hardware.html I'm planning on getting a ZAReason tablet in the near future. I want multi-boot on it with debian as one of the options :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # The reasons for my decision to quit were myriad, but central to the # decision was the realization that there are two kinds of companies: # Good ones ask you to think for them. # The others tell you to think like them. -- Benjy Feen
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:36 PM, der.hans deb-u...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 25. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so: I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is FOSS? There are certainly some issue regarding release time and what some of the phone manufacturers have been doing. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? There are several allwinner based tablets that can run a traditional distro as well as android. http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html ### Some manufacturers consider root to be a four-letter-word. We don't. The ZaTab is an open device. The bootloader is unlocked. Root access is available. We welcome the community to develop custom ROMs and port other Linux distros to the ZaTab. ### Work is underway to support other OSen. Aaron Seigo announced an allwinnner KDE Plasma tablet some time ago. Looks like it has been delayed again, but I believe it's always been based on a tablet that is already on the market and is already running a Linux distro specialized for the architecture. I believe that distro is based on debian. http://liliputing.com/2012/09/vivaldi-kde-plasma-linux-tablet-delayed-devs-looking-at-new-hardware.html I'm planning on getting a ZAReason tablet in the near future. I want multi-boot on it with debian as one of the options :). All these are tablets. Ubuntu's planning for 14.04 to be a phone/tablet/computer OS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SzduZKc02PZ3W8sZz0cOy-sQpDmFNLtysZng+-nuZVª@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:36:22AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is FOSS? There are certainly some issue regarding release time and what some of the phone manufacturers have been doing. Yes, but. Specifically: but phones aren't sold actually running Cyanogenmod. Actual Android installed on phones/tables that I can find (with the exception of your helpful suggestion below) run a proprietary Android instead. There are several allwinner based tablets that can run a traditional distro as well as android. http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html What a great-looking device. Only problem: not in stock right now. I literally might have bought it instantly if I could have. Thanks. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121125211733.ga28...@panix.com
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 16:17:33 -0500 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com dijo: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:36:22AM -0700, der.hans wrote: Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is FOSS? There are certainly some issue regarding release time and what some of the phone manufacturers have been doing. Yes, but. Specifically: but phones aren't sold actually running Cyanogenmod. Actual Android installed on phones/tables that I can find (with the exception of your helpful suggestion below) run a proprietary Android instead. I understand that Canonical has been working on getting an Ubuntu version that will run on phones, although I suspect their real target is tablets. There are several allwinner based tablets that can run a traditional distro as well as android. http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html What a great-looking device. Only problem: not in stock right now. I literally might have bought it instantly if I could have. Very nice, indeed, although I was dismayed to see that the USB ports are apparently only 2.0. There is also no information about the specs for the cameras. And the SD card compatibility only lists 32 GB, although 64 GB cards are currently available. On a positive note, the battery life is phenomenal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121125135319.5ce36...@mailhost.pdx.edu
Re: Mobile devices ... any of them still use Linux?
HI, Carl. Openmoko (Freerunner GTA02 GTA04), Nanonote. Touch book (not actually). http://openmoko.org/ http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote http://alwaysinnovating.com/products/touchbook.htm Also u can install linux-distro (e.g debian) any android tablet/phone. Carl Fink писал 2012-11-25 21:53: I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as MacOS is built on the BSD kernel. Are there any phones or tablets people are aware of that use actual, FOSS, Linux as their OS? -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b70e69811fd8d39882aa25a630e45...@onego.ru
