Re: My ThinkPad is dead after Woody upgrade

2002-05-15 Thread Pavel Epifanov
FYI: I was aware about lm-sensors and never installed then at all.

--- Adrian Bridgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The only thing I'm aware of is a warning from the lm-sensors package which
 comes up if you try and install lm-sensors-source (not sure about other
 lm-sensors packages:


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Re: My ThinkPad is dead after Woody upgrade

2002-05-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 02:15:01AM -0700, Pavel Epifanov wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I've had my IBM ThinkPad model 380Z dead (laptop not going thru POST, 
 suspicion
 is about flash BIOS was wiped out) after apt-get dist-upgrade and following
 hibernation last Friday.

Are you using lm_sensors?  IIRC, it permanently destroys the flash on
Thinkpads.  It does have a huge bloody warning when you install it
tho.

-rob


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Re: My ThinkPad is dead after Woody upgrade

2002-05-14 Thread Tom Allison

Pavel Epifanov wrote:

Hi All,

I've had my IBM ThinkPad model 380Z dead (laptop not going thru POST, suspicion
is about flash BIOS was wiped out) after apt-get dist-upgrade and following
hibernation last Friday.

It could be due to this 3 y.o. laptop was broken itself or due to new thinkpad*
related packages installed (I remember tpctl for sure).

Does somebody else have the similar problem?
Could it be really caused by problems during new package installation?

I have a second new ThinkPad and I don't want to take any risk to damage it too
(the same packages are installed but not upgraded yet). 


There was up-to-date Woody installation on it with custom 2.4.16 kernel and old
thinkpad-source  pcmcia-cs modules compiled/installed.

Pavel.

PS: I know that my IBM TP BIOS had several mistakes in it (i.e switching
occasionally LCD display off when on AC power).


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I can't claim to have the solution.  But as a suggestion:  Keep the 
things like tpctl back by selecting them in dselect with a (=).


I have a Thinkpad running only Testing and it's been nothing but a joy 
to play with.  More stable than my ex-wife and more pleasant too!


I also have to admit that I have a somewhat up-to-date BIOS on this 
computer.



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Re: My ThinkPad is dead after Woody upgrade

2002-05-14 Thread Adrian Bridgett
(Thomas is the author of tpctl, Debian maintainer and allround guru!)

Thomas - have you any ideas?

On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:08:13 -0400 (+), Tom Allison wrote:
 Pavel Epifanov wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I've had my IBM ThinkPad model 380Z dead (laptop not going thru POST, 
 suspicion
 is about flash BIOS was wiped out) after apt-get dist-upgrade and 
 following
 hibernation last Friday.

The only thing I'm aware of is a warning from the lm-sensors package which
comes up if you try and install lm-sensors-source (not sure about other
lm-sensors packages:

--debconf--
 The upstream lm-sensors maintainers know of a problem using lm-sensors  
 with IBM ThinkPad computers, resulting in firmware corruption.  If you
 are installing this package on a ThinkPad, you should wait until the
 upstream maintainers have solved this problem before building modules
 from it.

  For more information, see   
/usr/share/doc/lm-sensors-source/README.thinkpad.


IBM ThinkPad brokenness -- really install lm-sensors?
--debconf--

--README.thinkpad--
  WARNING: IBM Thinkpad users should not install I2C/Lm_sensors!  

There have been some reports that the eeprom and/or firmware of IBM
Thinkpads have been corrupted after installing I2C/Lm_sensors. It's not
clear why and what specific action (most likely scanning/probing for chips)
causes the Thinkpad to corrupt it's eeprom.  Unless you know otherwise, we
suggest that users avoid installing I2C/Lm_sensors support on IBM Thinkpads
until it becomes known what exactly is causing the corruption.

Though you may disagree about whose fault this is, fact is that seemingly
the Thinkpad can become corrupted even when only reading information from
the i2c/SMBus. Be assured that we never, ever write any information to
the bus while scanning(*), and that no halfway sane client implementation
should change its internal state, not to mention overwrite system-critical
information.

For more information, see:

http://www.linux-thinkpad.org/

(*) Actually, we do write some information to the bus, but only as specified
in the i2c/SMBus protocol to select a certain chip address and to
start/stop i2c transactions.
--

Apparently this manifests itself as EEPROM CRC ERROR or Invalid RFID
Serialization Area.

 It could be due to this 3 y.o. laptop was broken itself or due to new 
 thinkpad*
 related packages installed (I remember tpctl for sure).
 
 Does somebody else have the similar problem?
 Could it be really caused by problems during new package installation?
 
 I have a second new ThinkPad and I don't want to take any risk to damage 
 it too
 (the same packages are installed but not upgraded yet). 
 
 There was up-to-date Woody installation on it with custom 2.4.16 kernel 
 and old
 thinkpad-source  pcmcia-cs modules compiled/installed.
 
 Pavel.
 
 PS: I know that my IBM TP BIOS had several mistakes in it (i.e switching
 occasionally LCD display off when on AC power).
[snip]

Adrian

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