Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On 05/19/2021 06:09 PM, Siard wrote: Bob Bernstein: Richard Owlett: I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now running Buster] without any problems. Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary versions with install procedures. Not sure which route I should take, binary from the seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the first-mentioned. Opinions? I found that taking the tarball from seamonkey-project.org is dead easy. Just unpack it in /opt and start /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey. No installation needed. +*1* !! You can have a look at the seamonkey-project.org site now and then to see if a new version is available, but you can also follow www.seamonkey-project.org/news via RSS, so you get notified when a new version is available. Then just delete /opt/seamonkey and put the new version there. ( RSS link: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news-atom )
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
Hello, I would say that you express your point of view with unnecessary vigour and that it is not fully endorsed by the Debian community: https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey (disclaimer sentence) https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian Cheers :-)
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
Bob Bernstein: > Richard Owlett: > > I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze > > [now running Buster] without any problems. > > Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary > versions with install procedures. > > Not sure which route I should take, binary from the > seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in > wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the > first-mentioned. > > Opinions? I found that taking the tarball from seamonkey-project.org is dead easy. Just unpack it in /opt and start /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey. No installation needed. You can have a look at the seamonkey-project.org site now and then to see if a new version is available, but you can also follow www.seamonkey-project.org/news via RSS, so you get notified when a new version is available. Then just delete /opt/seamonkey and put the new version there. ( RSS link: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news-atom )
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-05-19 03:32 (UTC-0500): > Siard wrote: >>> You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here: >>> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ >> Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages. >> Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess. > I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now > running Buster] without any problems. I've been getting them from there since long before SM 1.0 in January 2006, when it was the flagship Mozilla product Mozilla Suite, which I started using around March of 1999 while in its infancy. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On 20/5/21 4:55 am, Bob Bernstein wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2021, Richard Owlett wrote: I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now running Buster] without any problems. Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary versions with install procedures. Not sure which route I should take, binary from the seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the first-mentioned. Opinions? It all depends on how difficult you want to make it for yourself. The ubuntuzilla way is simple, reliable, and, is used by many. After following the relatively simple procedure to implement it, whenever a new version/update is released, it is automatically included in your system updates, as you perform them, and you do not have to go through the procedure of performing a new make and install, manually, every time that am update or new version is released. Of course, if the ubuntuzilla way is not sufficiently difficult for you, and, you want to go out of your way, to make it difficult, that is up to you. You asked for a relatively simple way of doing it, and, if you gratuitously choose the more difficult path, that is your prerogative. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On Wed, 19 May 2021, Richard Owlett wrote: I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now running Buster] without any problems. Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary versions with install procedures. Not sure which route I should take, binary from the seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the first-mentioned. Opinions? -- RSB
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On 05/18/2021 03:55 PM, Siard wrote: I wrote: You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages. Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess. I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now running Buster] without any problems.
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On Tue, 18 May 2021, Siard wrote: I wrote: You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages. Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess. Understood. I'm so old I just noticed your two posts to the list now, many hours after you posted them. It ain't easy. Thank you. -- RSB
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On Wed, 19 May 2021, Bret Busby wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey Bingo. A very recently updated page with instructions for adding a (EEK!) third party repo to one's sources.list. Thanks! -- RSB
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On 19/5/21 4:08 am, Bob Bernstein wrote: '$ sudo apt-cache search seamonkey' does not turn up the browser/email "suite." My spidey sense suggests that the Subject: question, probably as a consequence of the internal logic (for lack of a better term) of the unixen "package" situation, is at best moot, and at worst, confused. Pls. advise. Thank you. You could try the Seamonkey mailing list https://groups.io/g/seamonkey-support Also, whilst google has become increasingly sinister, searching using seamonkey debian returns many results, including https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
I wrote: > You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here: > > https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages. Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess.
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
The Wanderer [about Seamonkey]: > It's also possible that some third parties may have already packaged it > into .deb form, albeit not necessarily in a way that'll work with any > particular Debian release; if you want to search for such a thing, and > risk creating a FrankenDebian to some degree with the result, you might > turn up useful results. You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ It works fine here in stable and testing. No installation needed, just start it.
Re: No deb for seamonkey?
On 2021-05-18 at 16:08, Bob Bernstein wrote: > '$ sudo apt-cache search seamonkey' does not turn up the > browser/email "suite." > > My spidey sense suggests that the Subject: question, probably as a > consequence of the internal logic (for lack of a better term) of the > unixen "package" situation, is at best moot, and at worst, confused. > > Pls. advise. As I understand matters, Seamonkey and other branches off the Mozilla family tree are not packaged in Debian, specifically because it's hard enough maintaining security support for just Firefox (and Thunderbird); the Debian security team does not want to have to try to keep up with doing it for any variants on top of that. There shouldn't be any theoretical reason why you couldn't download the source and build it locally, but depending on what the dependency and build systems are like nowadays, that might get complicated. It's also possible that some third parties may have already packaged it into .deb form, albeit not necessarily in a way that'll work with any particular Debian release; if you want to search for such a thing, and risk creating a FrankenDebian to some degree with the result, you might turn up useful results. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
