Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[gene heskett]

On 3/16/24 16:20, Charles Curley wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:30:46 -0700
Steve Sobol  wrote:


I already get a ton of legitimate mail from the debian-user mailing
list. Don't need the off-topic crap.


Concur.



Admins, could you please get rid of the people who are contributing
to the noise?


Or at least make them aware of their rudeness.

Thank you.


+100.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
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Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 12:30:46 -0700
Steve Sobol  wrote:

> I already get a ton of legitimate mail from the debian-user mailing 
> list. Don't need the off-topic crap.

Concur.

> 
> Admins, could you please get rid of the people who are contributing
> to the noise?

Or at least make them aware of their rudeness.

Thank you.

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Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Steve Sobol]

On 2024-03-15 22:58, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 15.03.2024 um 18:16:50 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton:


Fascinating reading here:
.



What the hell?

I already get a ton of legitimate mail from the debian-user mailing 
list. Don't need the off-topic crap.


Admins, could you please get rid of the people who are contributing to 
the noise?

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Curt wrote:
> as I believe Paul Valéry once noted, even the past isn't what it used
> to be.

That's why i want everything back exactly the way as it never was.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Curt]

On 2024-03-16, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
>
> Meanwhile the future is past and the pundits of the 70s are dead and
> ridiculed.

Yes, as I believe Paul Valéry once noted, even the past isn't what it used to 
be.

> Predictions are difficult - especially when it's about the future.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>


-- 

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

when i was a young Babyboomer in the late 1970s we were accused of
destroying society by a "twin culture of sexual license and cannabis".
The big Decline of the West was a sure thing, accelerated by excessive
tv consumption.
Other future threats were drying up oil wells, a comming ice age,
and the unstoppable fertility of the asian peoples.

Meanwhile the future is past and the pundits of the 70s are dead and
ridiculed.
Predictions are difficult - especially when it's about the future.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Geert Stappers]

On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 06:58:55AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 15.03.2024 um 18:16:50 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton:
> 
> > Fascinating reading here:
> > .
> > It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems with
> > adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are the culprits.
> 
> I am from Gen Z and I can't understand why a smartphone should be
> guilty here. It might be a device that is part of the problem like
> alcohol can be when used wrong.

Yes, it took a long time to understand what
different quantaties of alcohol do to a human.

Meanwhile there are signs that "screen time" has a damaging effect.
It is reason we have this email thread.

 
> > The problem was not limited to the U.S.: Similar patterns emerged
> > around the same time in Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand,
> > the Nordic countries, and beyond. By a variety of measures and in a
> > variety of countries, the members of Generation Z (born in and after
> > 1996) are suffering from anxiety, depression, self-harm, and related
> > disorders at levels higher than any other generation for which we
> > have data.
> 
> I can understand anxiety (oncoming war, economy problems), but not the
> rest.
> From school I remember many people who followed the words "Why do we
> learn? We will die because of climate change anyway".
> 
> > The decline in mental health is just one of many signs that
> > something went awry. Loneliness and friendlessness among American
> > teens began to surge around 2012. Academic achievement went down,
> > too. According to “The Nation’s Report Card,” scores in reading and
> > math began to decline for U.S. students after 2012, reversing decades
> > of slow but generally steady increase. PISA, the major international
> > measure of educational trends, shows that declines in math, reading,
> > and science happened globally, also beginning in the early 2010s.
> 
> I know many people in school who really asked why they should learn
> that because they never gonna need that.

I hope the answer was: It needs training to master a skill, so train.


> I was the misfit because I did mostly computer-related stuff in my free
> time (not gaming), but at the end it definitely was and is still worth
> it.

It was training that brought the success.
Surely NOT the "It is OK that I'm a misfit".

 

Groeten
Geert Stappers
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Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 8:04 PM Emanuel Berg  wrote:
>
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> > So the problem with GenZ seems to be how they are growing up
> > and what they are spending their time on; and not their job
> > (they are teens!)
>
> They need other things to do that appeal to them more than
> smartphone idling. If such things existed, they would go
> for them, I'm confident.
>
> But it is also how things are presented, what mental picture
> they have, which is often incorrect. Today almost all
> activities, even pretty mundane things that were once thought
> of as relaxing and potentially inclusive to a whole bunch of
> people, are presented as elitist pursuits for the select few.
>
> They think, for example, "Martial arts seems like a lot of
> fun, but it is nothing for me, everyone who does it are great
> athletes and clearly I'm not." while in reality it is "_A lot_
> of people who does it are great athletes - and the reason why
> is because they do it". These kids only need to show up, but
> sadly, a lot of them don't, ever.
>
> So it is a vicious circle, the more they think they have to be
> brilliant to do anything the less confident they become from
> doing nothing.
>
> > and not society around them (which they withdraw from).
>
> Society pushed them away just as much.

I've got a feeling you did not read the article.

Jeff

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Marco Moock]

Am 15.03.2024 um 18:16:50 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton:

> Fascinating reading here:
> .
> It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems with
> adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are the culprits.

I am from Gen Z and I can't understand why a smartphone should be
guilty here. It might be a device that is part of the problem like
alcohol can be when used wrong.

> The problem was not limited to the U.S.: Similar patterns emerged
> around the same time in Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand,
> the Nordic countries, and beyond. By a variety of measures and in a
> variety of countries, the members of Generation Z (born in and after
> 1996) are suffering from anxiety, depression, self-harm, and related
> disorders at levels higher than any other generation for which we
> have data.

I can understand anxiety (oncoming war, economy problems), but not the
rest.
From school I remember many people who followed the words "Why do we
learn? We will die because of climate change anyway".

> The decline in mental health is just one of many signs that
> something went awry. Loneliness and friendlessness among American
> teens began to surge around 2012. Academic achievement went down,
> too. According to “The Nation’s Report Card,” scores in reading and
> math began to decline for U.S. students after 2012, reversing decades
> of slow but generally steady increase. PISA, the major international
> measure of educational trends, shows that declines in math, reading,
> and science happened globally, also beginning in the early 2010s.

I know many people in school who really asked why they should learn
that because they never gonna need that.
I was the misfit because I did mostly computer-related stuff in my free
time (not gaming), but at the end it definitely was and is still worth
it.


-- 
Gruß
Marco

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Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Emanuel Berg]

Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> So the problem with GenZ seems to be how they are growing up
> and what they are spending their time on; and not their job
> (they are teens!)

They need other things to do that appeal to them more than
smartphone idling. If such things existed, they would go
for them, I'm confident.

But it is also how things are presented, what mental picture
they have, which is often incorrect. Today almost all
activities, even pretty mundane things that were once thought
of as relaxing and potentially inclusive to a whole bunch of
people, are presented as elitist pursuits for the select few.

They think, for example, "Martial arts seems like a lot of
fun, but it is nothing for me, everyone who does it are great
athletes and clearly I'm not." while in reality it is "_A lot_
of people who does it are great athletes - and the reason why
is because they do it". These kids only need to show up, but
sadly, a lot of them don't, ever.

So it is a vicious circle, the more they think they have to be
brilliant to do anything the less confident they become from
doing nothing.

> and not society around them (which they withdraw from).

Society pushed them away just as much.

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:09 PM Emanuel Berg  wrote:
>
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> > Fascinating reading here:
> > .
> > It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems
> > with adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are
> > the culprits.
>
> Society is the problem where you are either an elite prospect
> football player, a professional carpenter/construction worker,
> _or_ you don't get to do anything, ever.

The article did not discuss employment or socio-economics, other than to say:

The most recent Gallup data show that American teens spend about five
hours a day just on social-media platforms (including watching videos
on TikTok and YouTube). Add in all the other phone- and screen-based
activities, and the number rises to somewhere between seven and nine
hours a day, on average. The numbers are even higher in single-parent
and low-income families, and among Black, Hispanic, and Native American
families.

These very high numbers do not include time spent in front of screens
for school or homework, nor do they include all the time adolescents
spend paying only partial attention to events in the real world while
thinking about what they’re missing on social media or waiting for
their phones to ping. Pew reports that in 2022, one-third of teens said
they were on one of the major social-media sites “almost constantly,”
and nearly half said the same of the internet in general. For these
heavy users, nearly every waking hour is an hour absorbed, in full or
in part, by their devices.

So the problem with GenZ seems to be how they are growing up and what
they are spending their time on; and not their job (they are teens!),
and not society around them (which they withdraw from).

Jeff

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Emanuel Berg]

Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> Fascinating reading here:
> .
> It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems
> with adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are
> the culprits.

Society is the problem where you are either an elite prospect
football player, a professional carpenter/construction worker,
_or_ you don't get to do anything, ever.

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal