Re: OT: Re: Qs from a newbie (help ASAP?) (long)

2000-10-04 Thread Mike Leone
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From: will trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:18 -0500

On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:53:02PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
 How about an SWT 8080 with 16K (circa 1977) as I recall.
 Those were that days of CP/M, before Gates bought/stole it and named it dos.

unfortunately, he bought qdos instead. cp/m was superior by almost all
accounts.

also known as ms-dos, on top of which runs this thing called windows.

Slight correction: Win 3.x/Win9x runs on top of DOS. Neither NT nor Win2K is 
written on top of DOS. Even tho the command prompt LOOKS like 16-bit DOS, it's 
not. They're both 32-bit OSes, from the ground up, with backward 16-bit 
compatability.



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Re: OT: Re: Qs from a newbie (help ASAP?) (long)

2000-10-04 Thread Jim Lisi
Wayne Topa wrote:
 You have Linux running on that Kaypro (Z80)?

No, sorry :( I don't think a multitasking OS would be very useful on
it.  Know any good terminal
programs for a Z80? :-)

 How about an SWT 8080 with 16K (circa 1977) as I recall.
 Those were that days of CP/M, before Gates bought/stole it and named it dos.

yea the Kaypro II ran CP/M (the 64K was the maximum addressable)

 I do have a router running on a 386sx w/12 Meg of Ram but that is old
 hat to anyone who has seen the Linux Router Project.

unfortunately running bind, slapd, ssh, nfsd, and masquerading a (small)
LAN over a aDSL line is a little
(rather?) stressful for the poor 486DX-33 (with 16MB ram, and 2 ISA NE2K
NICs). Especially when I have
to use apt on it.

Jim



Re: OT: Re: Qs from a newbie (help ASAP?) (long)

2000-10-03 Thread Wayne Topa

Subject: OT: Re: Qs from a newbie (help ASAP?) (long)
Date: Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:23:16PM -0400

In reply to:Jim Lisi

Quoting Jim Lisi([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Mike Fedyk wrote:
  
  Erin Lewy wrote:
   Okay. Here's the deal. The poor machine was an ANCIENT P75 running (I 
   didn't
  
  Ancient, huh?  How bout a 486 DX2 66, or a 486 DX4 100?  That's what I have 
  at
  home as my firewall. :)
  
 how about a 486DX-33? or a Kaypro II (bet you never heard of it! shame i
 only
 has 64k of memory, and no HD)

You have Linux running on that Kaypro (Z80)?

How about an SWT 8080 with 16K (circa 1977) as I recall.
Those were that days of CP/M, before Gates bought/stole it and named it dos.

I do have a router running on a 386sx w/12 Meg of Ram but that is old
hat to anyone who has seen the Linux Router Project.

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Re: OT: Re: Qs from a newbie (help ASAP?) (long)

2000-10-03 Thread Mike Leone
Those were that days of CP/M, before Gates bought/stole it and named it dos.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Gates never bought/stole CP/M. MS-DOS v1 was NOT CP/M; it was a 
separate product.

I do have a router running on a 386sx w/12 Meg of Ram but that is old
hat to anyone who has seen the Linux Router Project.

Seen it; use it; love it.


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Re: OT: Re: Qs from a newbie (help ASAP?) (long)

2000-10-03 Thread will trillich
On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:53:02PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
 How about an SWT 8080 with 16K (circa 1977) as I recall.
 Those were that days of CP/M, before Gates bought/stole it and named it dos.

unfortunately, he bought qdos instead. cp/m was superior by almost all
accounts.

and qdos stands for (sign it with me, class):

quick and dirty operating system.

also known as ms-dos, on top of which runs this thing called windows.

back then, the microcomputers had 8k of ram (the rich kids maybe)
and they couldn't get unix to fit, so they castrated here,
emasculated there, amputated this and truncated that, and came
up with qdos.

which now (sadly) owns the world, and the horse it rode in on.