Re: OT: sponge burning!
Am 2007-03-29 09:17:41, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons. which clearly happened in Fallujah. Right! -- 1800 Children and over 50 Medcins/Nurses are gased! - You can find many photos of this masaker in the Internet taken by privates and some (now) death journalists (2x Al Yazeera + 1 French) Later threee went killed officialy by accident by the US-Troops. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
Am 2007-03-29 08:39:57, schrieb Ron Johnson: So, in other words, you can't use your most efficient weapons against cowards? That sucks. several GAS-Grenades have hit the Hospital of Falluja and killed over 1800 children! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
on Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:49:05PM + Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..maim first is the lowly infanteryman and upward's job. I was taught to aim for the heart. Center of body mass. In other words, kill. Ciao, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:49:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 11:10, dave wrote: on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:50:55AM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? If he's in the way, and others are shooting at you. ..legal, if he is serving either as a combattant or covering combattants. It is a war crime for combattants to hide behind wounded, POW, civilians or any other left hors de combat. I can already hear Arnt's squeal of righteous indignation starting to build. Wow. That gave me a really good laugh. ..me too. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:50:55 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/29/07 22:28, dave wrote: on Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:22:59PM -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. I disagree. Antipersonnel weapons from the lowly infrantryman's rifle to napalm and various cluster weapons, mines, and suchlike are designed to kill first, maim second. ..correct, if you mean hit the target and nothing else. ..maim first is the lowly infanteryman and upward's job. In the rapidly moving combat environment ..you don't want that yourself, you want to inflict it on the enemy, and do so in full compliance to the full 4 Geneva Convention to convince the enemy, both they and Mankind are _much_ better off solving Mankinds problems by surrendering. Und Sie, W.? you want to make sure the opponent is thoroughly dead, so you don't have to worry about it later. Maiming is an added bonus around the perimeter of the kill zone, but not the primary objective of the engagement. So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? What about the live grenade he might be lying on? [snip] Wounded soldiers will only be tended to when it's safe to do so. The business of killing the enemy comes first. That doesn't seem to be the case with the US military. ..true. Idiot stunt like in the ambush in the Forrest Gump movie, or even landing on enemy airbases _during_ attacks and under heavy fire to pick up buddies shot down by flak on strafing runs and then toss overboard your parachute to make space for him, has happened at least once both in Germany during WWII and in Vietnam and is why Mankind can put up with American intelligence, everybody _knows_ they can use that kinda friends in such a bad pinch. ..which is probably _why_ they managed to get away with such idiocy, such idiots has no more protection than non-idiot combattants, they are fair game at least on takeoff under the Conventions. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
Kent West wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/26/07 03:55, Dan H. wrote: After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if sponge burning is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never heard it before. So I googled sponge burning. But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means? Yes. IIRC, it started out referring to Sponge Bob Square Pants. Actually, it started out as a discussion related to an article on Slashdot/digg/something similar about nuking sponges in a microwave oven in order to kill the bacteria/germs on the sponge. Associated Press. When the article first came out, it did not specify to make sure the sponge was wet, and subsequently there were many reports a day or three later about dry sponges catching fire. I don't recall why that topic made it to this list, nor why it morphed into such a very off-topic thread, but it's all archived if you're really curious. Definitely break out the gmane for that one... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/29/07 22:28, dave wrote: on Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:22:59PM -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. I disagree. Antipersonnel weapons from the lowly infrantryman's rifle to napalm and various cluster weapons, mines, and suchlike are designed to kill first, maim second. In the rapidly moving combat environment you want to make sure the opponent is thoroughly dead, so you don't have to worry about it later. Maiming is an added bonus around the perimeter of the kill zone, but not the primary objective of the engagement. So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? What about the live grenade he might be lying on? [snip] Wounded soldiers will only be tended to when it's safe to do so. The business of killing the enemy comes first. That doesn't seem to be the case with the US military. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGDRW/S9HxQb37XmcRAmgrAJ46tmMACi92GpKkZkisRXmE+YJ1hgCg5SKX LVPqtTQCgBTxPzBcuEK//GY= =3ytH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:50:55AM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? If he's in the way, and others are shooting at you. What about the live grenade he might be lying on? Turn him over later, carefully. That doesn't seem to be the case with the US military. True, and the US military, along with a few others, are unique in that respect. It's a soft spot that opponents have exploited to advantage. The body bomb on the 8 year old kid comes to mind. In the suck, the mind changes. Regards, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 11:10, dave wrote: on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:50:55AM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? If he's in the way, and others are shooting at you. I can already hear Arnt's squeal of righteous indignation starting to build. What about the live grenade he might be lying on? Turn him over later, carefully. Too bad meat hooks are too heavy to carry into battle. That doesn't seem to be the case with the US military. True, and the US military, along with a few others, are unique in that respect. It's a soft spot that opponents have exploited to advantage. The body bomb on the 8 year old kid comes to mind. In the suck, the mind changes. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGDVupS9HxQb37XmcRAqNVAKCQ/nnO1VcSqMoJk/9t4m0WqzwtlgCgjab0 vgnRKFr09+8HOyyqu10HVFw= =HH+U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:49:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 11:10, dave wrote: on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:50:55AM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: So you shoot the possibly-wounded Iraqi? If he's in the way, and others are shooting at you. I can already hear Arnt's squeal of righteous indignation starting to build. Wow. That gave me a really good laugh. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/28/07 16:42, Daniel B. wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Nope. That sounds like clear weather to me. Sshhh!!! Disagreeing with delusional know-it-alls only provokes them. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGC7lJS9HxQb37XmcRAuPoAKDeOpyejTBHNKM84VUiqUo7H3uSHQCeOmkz YR3Rp1T8esCEb8F5IHNpzL4= =FHCt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On 28 Mar, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons [0] clearly allows combat use of incendiary weapons against enemy forces (i.e. to kill them, not just illuminate them), except in certain cases involving civilians. It is also quite probable that such use isn't banned by the agreements against chemical weapons; according to the (London?) Times [1], the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons agrees with the US administration that it isn't. C.f. Wikipedia [2] and the references there. Celejar [0] http://www.ccwtreaty.com/protocol3.html [1] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article591095.ece [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Arms_control_status_and_military_regulations Note that I said may. Protocol 3 was adopted in 1980. A more recent document is the Chemical Weapons Convention, ratified by the US in 1997. The spokesman for the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which monitors the CWC, had this to say: ... If on the other hand the toxic properties of white phosphorus, the caustic properties, are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, that of course is prohibited, because the way the Convention is structured or the way it is in fact applied, any chemicals used against humans or animals that cause harm or death through the toxic properties of the chemical are considered chemical weapons. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4442988.stm) Even the protocol which you mention states: 2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons. which clearly happened in Fallujah. It is not the case that WP itself is always considered a chemical weapon; it depends on how it is used. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/29/07 08:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Even the protocol which you mention states: 2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons. which clearly happened in Fallujah. It is not the case that WP itself is always considered a chemical weapon; it depends on how it is used. So, in other words, you can't use your most efficient weapons against cowards? That sucks. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGC8GtS9HxQb37XmcRAjVxAJ9ic3mio6PVrmVe6FlkkCPe1ON30wCePZ2X FLwlp8YkpLx6SLir5gXKKcI= =1gdJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:17:41 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Mar, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons [0] clearly allows combat use of incendiary weapons against enemy forces (i.e. to kill them, not just illuminate them), except in certain cases involving civilians. It is also quite probable that such use isn't banned by the agreements against chemical weapons; according to the (London?) Times [1], the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons agrees with the US administration that it isn't. C.f. Wikipedia [2] and the references there. Celejar [0] http://www.ccwtreaty.com/protocol3.html [1] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article591095.ece [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Arms_control_status_and_military_regulations Note that I said may. Protocol 3 was adopted in 1980. A more Point taken. recent document is the Chemical Weapons Convention, ratified by the US in 1997. The spokesman for the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which monitors the CWC, had this to say: ... If on the other hand the toxic properties of white phosphorus, the caustic properties, are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, that of course is prohibited, because the way the Convention is structured or the way it is in fact applied, any chemicals used against humans or animals that cause harm or death through the toxic properties of the chemical are considered chemical weapons. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4442988.stm) How does that square with what I referenced from the Times article? Here's the quote: Washington’s new position is that phosphorus is “not a chemical weapon” and “not outlawed or illegal”. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which polices the 1993 convention prohibiting chemical weapons, accepts that position. Its spokesman said that phosphorus was covered instead by the 1980 Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects. Even the protocol which you mention states: 2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons. which clearly happened in Fallujah. My point was just to correct what you wrote that Using white phosphorus against combatants might be, in and of itself, a war crime. Also from the Times article: Although the US ratified parts of this convention in 1995, it has failed to enact Protocol III, which bans the use of incendiary weapons against civilian populations and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas. They can be used against military targets separate from civilian positions. It is not the case that WP itself is always considered a chemical weapon; it depends on how it is used. From your BBC article: WP - the arguments So WP itself is not a chemical weapon and therefore not illegal. However, used in a certain way, it might become one. Not that a certain way can easily be defined, if at all. The US can say therefore that this is not a chemical weapon and further, it argues that it is not the toxic properties but the heat from WP which causes the damage. And, this argument goes, since incendiary weapons are not covered by the CWC, therefore the use of WP against combatants is not prohibited. Critics claim that the US used chemical weapons in Falluja, on the grounds that it is the toxic properties which cause the harm. The UK's Guardian newspaper for example said: The US used chemical weapons in Iraq - and then lied about it. There is an intense debate on the blog sites about this issue. It's not a chemical weapon says Liberal Against Terror. CONFIRMED: WP is a CW if used to cause harm through toxic properties, says Daily Kos. So I guess your may is correct :). Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:25:45 -0400, Celejar wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:03:00 + (UTC) Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..nukes will often (but not always) be illegal for precisely that reason, _excessive_ collateral damage, a little is ok, a few other kindsa weapons are banned for more, I'd say moralistic reasons, e.g. poison gas, dum-dum bullets etc, as are mercenaries. ..arguing how they _should_ be, is completely different to arguing against or for the language or the spirit in the Conventions. ;o) Fair enough. My point still stands, though, that using WP to kill enemy soldiers is not, per se, illegal. ..actually, it is, if there are other and more human means to accomplish the same military job|objective|gain etc, Article 35 in Protocol I has roots in rules against dum-dum bullets, grenades smaller than 40mm, poison gas etc, the purpose is to promote peace by setting up rules to promote maximizing the military gain while minimizing suffering to those rendered hors de combat, this will usually leave combattants less hateful and more open to peace. ..even killing the enemy is illegal if you can just wound him to put him out of the war, the most effective way is have your snipers plink femurs at balls height. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:46:15AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..even killing the enemy is illegal if you can just wound him to put him out of the war, the most effective way is have your snipers plink femurs at balls height. ;o) Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 22:22 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:46:15AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..even killing the enemy is illegal if you can just wound him to put him out of the war, the most effective way is have your snipers plink femurs at balls height. ;o) Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. That depends on your enemy's policy on the wounded and dieing. During certain wars in the last 2 centuries, wounded and dieing were left on the battlefield for others to worry about. Usually the advancing force, which like the nice people we usually are, we pick them up, treat them and fix'em up, then imprison them. But not needlessly in that exact order. In one internal conflict, some soldiers would actually kill themselves rather than let the doctors/butchers of the time, work or cut on them. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:22:59PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:46:15AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..even killing the enemy is illegal if you can just wound him to put him out of the war, the most effective way is have your snipers plink femurs at balls height. ;o) Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. OTOH, wounded soldiers, even mortally wounded ones, often continue to fight, so its hard to justify such moral calculus in the heat of battle - one way or the other. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:22:59 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:46:15AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..even killing the enemy is illegal if you can just wound him to put him out of the war, the most effective way is have your snipers plink femurs at balls height. ;o) Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. I'd think it would depend how badly you wound him; if he can recover, then killing might be more effective (assuming that there's a significant investment in training or that there are limits on the enemy's available manpower). Celejar
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 08:47:37PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:22:59PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. OTOH, wounded soldiers, even mortally wounded ones, often continue to fight, so its hard to justify such moral calculus in the heat of battle - one way or the other. Good point. However the VC used the wound rather than kill strategy to great effect against the US. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
on Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:46:15AM + Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..even killing the enemy is illegal if you can just wound him to put him out of the war, the most effective way is have your snipers plink femurs at balls height. ;o) Hmm. The 50 cal. sniper rifle in use today goes through a lot to get to the enemy. Cinder and brick walls, body armor, armor plate, bullet proof glass, etc. And from a long way off, too. Some Gunny Sarge in the 'root wired a scope on a 50 cal MG and started squeezing off single rounds to supress enemy sniper fire from the highrise buildings there. Remarkabley effective in showing the opposition that they have to REALLY think hard about where to hide. But that's simple HI work. Ciao, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
on Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:22:59PM -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Of course, wounding the enemy is nearly *always* more desirable than outright killing him. That is because every wounded soldier takes at least one other soldier (or other person, even if not a soldier) in order to care for his wounds in the short term. So, from a resource perspective, wounded soldiers place a much heavier burden on a military force than corpses. I disagree. Antipersonnel weapons from the lowly infrantryman's rifle to napalm and various cluster weapons, mines, and suchlike are designed to kill first, maim second. In the rapidly moving combat environment you want to make sure the opponent is thoroughly dead, so you don't have to worry about it later. Maiming is an added bonus around the perimeter of the kill zone, but not the primary objective of the engagement. It takes a lot more resource to train an entirely new recruit than it does to patch up the old and send 'em back in. Wounded soldiers will only be tended to when it's safe to do so. The business of killing the enemy comes first. Regards, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:02:19 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am 2007-03-18 22:36:12, schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: Are these the same Muslims who are blowing innocent men women and children in markets schools and other public places? It seems you do not know anything about IRAKIEN suicide bombers. ..me, I can agree. There are several studies of the UN, UNESCO, International Red Cross and others which poove, the IRAKIEN suicide bombers ARE NOT TERRORISTS. ..a terrorist is not neccessarily a war criminal, this depends of how he complies to the full 4 Geneva Conventions, and regardless of this he will disqualify as a terrorist if he fails to scare anyone. ;o) This are men and women which have lost ther entired families by US-Attacks and Black Operations in the Vilages and Cities. There are lists of names of the IRAKIEN suicide bombers in the NET with there pooven history... And NOW, if there are BC's or Militaries which are going in your county and killing your Family because your 2 years old son IS a potential Terrorist, and you have no family anymore (lost your parents, your sisters and children and more) and you see those BC's and foreign Military continuing to killing... WHAT SHOULD YOU DO? ..you can pile up rape on infants, gassing, torture etc and still have absolutely _no_ excuse for committing war crimes. ..that said, anyone, Iraqis too, is as entitled to defend himself and his family against war crimes as the passengers of flight UA93 were on 9/11. Go to a foreign military and ask them to shou you because he has previously killed your entired Family and you want/can not live alone anymore? Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Don't you get it? We can't just go Sorry if i call you an asshole, but in Iran there are 38 Synagoges and some Churches... they are there since ages and there is NO problem. There are ONLY some profit driven western (including white Jews, -- since there is a difference between them) which want this war! home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. Right since the USA/GB/Israel have to pay damages to Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Irak and Iran plus Afghanistan. You, the (petrol/uran) profit and war liking peoples WILL go to hell! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack ..I'd bleed off my steam on a sand bag or something while the spell checker runs on your rage, Michelle. ;o) ..and I believe we have established properly here on D-U that the full 4 Geneva Conventions apply to this ongoing war between NATO and Israel on one side, against various Islamic military forces and war crimes wictims on the other side, so the next step is help restore the Conventions and International Justice in RL. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 26 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:04:40PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Waitaminnit! We all know creation and evolution are processes running under EMACS! Ahh, but something must have been used to design Emacs (it did not evolve by itself), and so clearly vi is [the tool of] the intelligent designer :-) Designed? Certainly. Intelligent ?? :-) -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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On 25 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: ... And I understood that you have yet to provide actual proof of war crimes. You ramble on about the GCs and NATO treaties, but you have yet to point out even one *specific* instance which when brought before a court has a reasonable chance as being found to be a war crime. The closest you can probably get is the rape/murders committed by some Marines. That was a despicable act, but hardly a war crime. ... Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). Using cluster munitions in occupied areas. Bombing civilian neighborhoods. Collective punishment (e.g. Fallujah I and II). Intentional killing of unarmed persons by military personnel. Use of DU munitions may also qualify as a war crime, as it's effect is not limited to the battlefield. There may be more; these are just off the top of my head. -Chris N.B. IMO most members of the armed forces are good people with strong moral character, who try and obey the law, and who make great sacrifices to serve their country. Throwing these people into an unnecessary and incredible poorly planned war is a despicable act. | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/28/07 15:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). WP is a *really* effective weapon. Using cluster munitions in occupied areas. Bombing civilian neighborhoods. Civilians support the military, grow it's food and make it's bullets. Collective punishment (e.g. Fallujah I and II). Is it a war crime to not wear uniforms, hide in among the civilians, using them as shields? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGCtdOS9HxQb37XmcRAgZgAJ9GPx5TeQRA8AXFzFMDW10uYc9xbQCdEU0Z pbmkegR3edW8f3sikZyboPM= =AlG/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 04:01:31PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:04:40PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Waitaminnit! We all know creation and evolution are processes running under EMACS! Ahh, but something must have been used to design Emacs (it did not evolve by itself), and so clearly vi is [the tool of] the intelligent designer :-) Designed? Certainly. Intelligent ?? :-) Perhaps we are talking about a sadomasochistic designer? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Greg Folkert wrote: ... The Celsius Thermometer wil drop significantly slower the the Fahrenheit one. Only if it has more insulation. Otherwise, the temperature drops at the same speed. Of course, yes, the _numbers_ change at different rates. :-) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Nope. That sounds like clear weather to me. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons [0] clearly allows combat use of incendiary weapons against enemy forces (i.e. to kill them, not just illuminate them), except in certain cases involving civilians. It is also quite probable that such use isn't banned by the agreements against chemical weapons; according to the (London?) Times [1], the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons agrees with the US administration that it isn't. C.f. Wikipedia [2] and the references there. Celejar [0] http://www.ccwtreaty.com/protocol3.html [1] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article591095.ece [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Arms_control_status_and_military_regulations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:32:57 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michelle Konzack wrote: 2) The white asses of Jews which have very late adopted the judaeism for arround a half century. I was sympathetic to some of your arguments until this nonsense. ..I concur, 6 million white Jews were gassed, and the survivors fled white christian racist Zionism, a lot went to Israel to extend that very racism believing they escape it. Yeehaw. A little math indicates that you think there has been some huge upswing in white conversion to Judaism after World War II. The facts are to the contrary -- percentages are decreasing. ..url? ..there has been a lot of whites coming there right after WWII, some came before, and there has been a steady flow from the Communist powers until after they collapsed, and about 600,000 non-white Jews were airlifted out of Africa (Ethiopia?), but how many of the other whites? Most white Jews can trace their heritage for at least 100 to 150 years, and often, much longer. ..makes you wonder how many of them go back to Mohammed the Prophet. Even I do, I hear, I'm a Benkestok. Question: In the WTC they are over 2000 Jews are working. Why they went not to work, if there was not a religious day? Answer:The want waned by CIA/MOSSAD the whey want to bing down the WTC. You can find proofs all over the Internet. Among dingbat conspiracy theorists like yourself. Nobody was warned. There was simply no mass absence. It's a total fabrication. ..no Norwegians either, and nobody warned me either, and I _have_ found myself on either end of a few conspiracies. ;o) The higher number I heard on WTC workforce is 100,000 people, but how many had arrived that morning? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:21:12 -0400, Celejar wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons [0] clearly allows combat use of incendiary weapons against enemy forces (i.e. to kill them, not just illuminate them), except in certain cases involving civilians. It is also quite probable that such use isn't banned by the agreements against chemical weapons; according to the (London?) Times [1], the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons agrees with the US administration that it isn't. C.f. Wikipedia [2] and the references there. ..one argument against using Wikipedia here, is a not too recent case of somebody editing a page to suit his argument, and then make use of that edit to win his flame war, I understand it was spotted fairly quickly but I dunno the details. ;o) Celejar [0] http://www.ccwtreaty.com/protocol3.html [1] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article591095.ece [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ White_phosphorus#Arms_control_status_and_military_regulations ..as a commander or combattant, you will here wanna make fully sure, that the full 4 Geneva Conventions does not in any way override your right to use these weapons, even against mercenaries, such as for _excessive_ collateral damage. ..nukes will often (but not always) be illegal for precisely that reason, _excessive_ collateral damage, a little is ok, a few other kindsa weapons are banned for more, I'd say moralistic reasons, e.g. poison gas, dum-dum bullets etc, as are mercenaries. ..arguing how they _should_ be, is completely different to arguing against or for the language or the spirit in the Conventions. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:59:58 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/28/07 15:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). WP is a *really* effective weapon. ..see my response to Celejar on excessive collateral damage. Using cluster munitions in occupied areas. Bombing civilian neighborhoods. Civilians support the military, grow it's food and make it's bullets. ..and remain civilian status outside military assets, moral support, growing food etc for the people. They become fair game only when supplying bullets or even food to the military for the war effort. Collective punishment (e.g. Fallujah I and II). Is it a war crime to not wear uniforms, hide in among the civilians, using them as shields? ..yes (except as invasion speed prevent proper mobilization), yes, yes, even on the West Bank and Gaza. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:03:00 + (UTC) Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:21:12 -0400, Celejar wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Actually, the war itself is a war of aggression, which is a war crime. Other actions which may be war crimes: Torturing prisoners. Using white phosphorus against combatants and civilians (as opposed to its legal use for battlefield illumination). Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons [0] clearly allows combat use of incendiary weapons against enemy forces (i.e. to kill them, not just illuminate them), except in certain cases involving civilians. It is also quite probable that such use isn't banned by the agreements against chemical weapons; according to the (London?) Times [1], the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons agrees with the US administration that it isn't. C.f. Wikipedia [2] and the references there. ..one argument against using Wikipedia here, is a not too recent case of somebody editing a page to suit his argument, and then make use of that edit to win his flame war, I understand it was spotted fairly quickly but I dunno the details. ;o) Absolutely right, but I just used wikipedia for a helpful primer. See my other 2 footnotes. Celejar [0] http://www.ccwtreaty.com/protocol3.html [1] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article591095.ece [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ White_phosphorus#Arms_control_status_and_military_regulations ..as a commander or combattant, you will here wanna make fully sure, that the full 4 Geneva Conventions does not in any way override your right to use these weapons, even against mercenaries, such as for _excessive_ collateral damage. Fair enough. ..nukes will often (but not always) be illegal for precisely that reason, _excessive_ collateral damage, a little is ok, a few other kindsa weapons are banned for more, I'd say moralistic reasons, e.g. poison gas, dum-dum bullets etc, as are mercenaries. ..arguing how they _should_ be, is completely different to arguing against or for the language or the spirit in the Conventions. ;o) Fair enough. My point still stands, though, that using WP to kill enemy soldiers is not, per se, illegal. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 17:39 -0400, Daniel B. wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: ... The Celsius Thermometer wil drop significantly slower the the Fahrenheit one. Only if it has more insulation. Otherwise, the temperature drops at the same speed. Of course, yes, the _numbers_ change at different rates. The numbers are what matter RIGHT? -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am 2007-03-18 22:36:12, schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: Are these the same Muslims who are blowing innocent men women and children in markets schools and other public places? It seems you do not know anything about IRAKIEN suicide bombers. There are several studies of the UN, UNESCO, International Red Cross and others which poove, the IRAKIEN suicide bombers ARE NOT TERRORISTS. This are men and women which have lost ther entired families by US-Attacks and Black Operations in the Vilages and Cities. There are lists of names of the IRAKIEN suicide bombers in the NET with there pooven history... And NOW, if there are BC's or Militaries which are going in your county and killing your Family because your 2 years old son IS a potential Terrorist, and you have no family anymore (lost your parents, your sisters and children and more) and you see those BC's and foreign Military continuing to killing... WHAT SHOULD YOU DO? Go to a foreign military and ask them to shou you because he has previously killed your entired Family and you want/can not live alone anymore? Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Don't you get it? We can't just go Sorry if i call you an asshole, but in Iran there are 38 Synagoges and some Churches... they are there since ages and there is NO problem. There are ONLY some profit driven western (including white Jews, -- since there is a difference between them) which want this war! home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. Right since the USA/GB/Israel have to pay damages to Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Irak and Iran plus Afghanistan. You, the (petrol/uran) profit and war liking peoples WILL go to hell! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Am 2007-03-18 19:57:32, schrieb Paul Scott: If I'm not mistaken we killed far more innocent men and women and children just bombing into Iraq than any terrorists have killed so far. At a quick research in my Database about Terroism, they are arround 9600 peoples killed in terrorist attacks (Istanbul, Casablanca, Madrid, Mali, New Zork and London excluded, - since they are pooved that they are not muslim attacs) in the last 40 years. The US-Militaries and BC's plus alies have killed in IRAK between 70 and 1.3 million Irakies amd in AFGHANISTAN between 12 and 286000. And now peoples call muslims Terroists? What is naive is to think these wars are about religion and terrorists. FullACK! As long as the US dollar is so connected to oil people like Bush and friends will continue using terror as an excuse to do what they are doing. You seems to me one of those (american?) peoples having more brain and knowledge then others. Paul Scott Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Am 2007-03-18 23:41:43, schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez: Then if you think that Bush's people are involved in a fear campaign with respect to the threat of Islamic extremism, then they Muslims' PR campaign has been successful with you. Please go read the book described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_the_Jews:_The_Unfinished_Battle Then you will see the truth. This is mostly real bullshit, since I HAVE many Jew friends in the occupied Palestine... But there are TWO sorts of Jews 1) The real black Jews, which are living there since over 4500 years. Please note, that those black Jews have the same skin color like the arabs and those black Jews are NOT realy welcome in Israel. They are discriminated like the blacks in the USA and many of them living in heavy poverty in Israel. 2) The white asses of Jews which have very late adopted the judaeism for arround a half century. Oh wait. He basically did in the form of Operation Desert Fox. But then he did it just for show and didn't actually try to fix anything. He just lobbed some bombs over there. And it was good that he had not tried to play total war. Sadam Hussein had stoped (After the gulf war) ANY activities including development of ABC-Weapons. He has done the same as Muhamar Ghadafi. Totaly retired and begund to develop his country. Free Shool-System for all Kids. Women-Rights (which are droped by the US now). Ultra-Modern Hospitals. An entired social system. Such things can not accept by the USA since freedom will push the price of Petrol (in general arabic and persian world) and Uran (iranien Reserves for 100' of years for the world). So the USA MUST LIE, and it does NOT MATER HOW! Even if the CIA/MOSSAD preparing the killing of over 3000 own peoples. Question: In the WTC they are over 2000 Jews are working. Why they went not to work, if there was not a religious day? Answer:The want waned by CIA/MOSSAD the whey want to bing down the WTC. You can find proofs all over the Internet. Question: Does the USA and the alies have found ANY ABC-Weapons in IRAK? Answer:NO! - The have only found very old rotten Scud-Heads prepared for chemical weapons but not more usable after 13 years... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Am 2007-03-19 17:48:35, schrieb Arnt Karlsen: ..it _is_ a credible hint on why Muslims should join Hezbollah and get nukes. But can the Muslims beat the (at least) 280 Nuclear weapons of Israel since they have transformed there Nuclear-Reactor in a Nuclear-Weapon Manufactory? This is, WHY Israel refuse the controlling of the International Commision for Atom Energie. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Am 2007-03-19 12:38:52, schrieb Ron Johnson: It's a *hell* of a lot cheaper to *buy* it at $50/bbl than it is to invade Iraq. That's why we prop up dictators. You are an asholem because before Sadam Husseing took over the power in Irak, the Irak was forced by the USA (and there friends) to sell the galone for 3 US$ which was a thenth of the International price. The USA has fold the old Irak. The Sadam Husseing came into the game and used the official international price of pertol... 30 US$/Gal Now, eack year we have lesser and lesser Pertol and the USA want more and more... Refuse the use of renewable Energies unlike European countries and wast resources with Cars which consuming 5 and more Gallones per 100 Miles (over 12 liter in 100km) If I was in the USA, no one of the Cars had consumed less then 5-6 Gal/100Miles... If Saddam had only been happy to grow fabulously wealth selling metric yatta-assloads of oil, *none* of this would have happened. For your profit? The prices is Angebot (Supply) and Nachfrage (Inquiry) But no. Ha had to get extra greedy, and then megalomaniacal thinking he could unite all the Arabs. So what do the Arabs do, if they sell the Petrol UNDER price for the USA and then in maybe 10 years we will have no Petrol anymore? THE USA WILL LET THEM FALLING LIKE A HOT POTATO... There is nothing in most arabic countires which can realy exported. So the ARABIC WORLD will be transformed by the WESTERN WORLD in a very BIG SLUM! Paying the (OPEC) Members a real price for the Petrol will result in a more stable World like in Irak (1993-2003) which went destructed by the USA and alies. The USA and alies create ther OWN ENEMIES and NOT TERRORISTS since the methods of the WESTERN WORLD is EXPLOITATION and TERROISM against the rest of THE WORLD. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
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Michelle Konzack wrote: 2) The white asses of Jews which have very late adopted the judaeism for arround a half century. I was sympathetic to some of your arguments until this nonsense. A little math indicates that you think there has been some huge upswing in white conversion to Judaism after World War II. The facts are to the contrary -- percentages are decreasing. Most white Jews can trace their heritage for at least 100 to 150 years, and often, much longer. Question: In the WTC they are over 2000 Jews are working. Why they went not to work, if there was not a religious day? Answer:The want waned by CIA/MOSSAD the whey want to bing down the WTC. You can find proofs all over the Internet. Among dingbat conspiracy theorists like yourself. Nobody was warned. There was simply no mass absence. It's a total fabrication. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:06:41PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:04:40PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Waitaminnit! We all know creation and evolution are processes running under EMACS! Ahh, but something must have been used to design Emacs (it did not evolve by itself), and so clearly vi is [the tool of] the intelligent designer :-) I'm sure its out there somewhere, but wouldn't it be cool to see a family tree of computers and their data entry/code editing methods? For example, and this is of course entirely fabricated: Emacs was written using Vi which was written using edlin which was written on such and such a machine using some other editor which was originally recompiled for that machine by b;ah-de-blah using the first cross-compiler on a watchmajig2 which was originally coded up using pencil and paper and entered into memory as a series of pokes and executed by the whose-it kernel originally written by some guy in 19xx using punchcards on a dagnabit using a whopping 8k core memory. or something like that. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:06:41PM -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: We all know creation and evolution are processes running under EMACS! Ahh, but something must have been used to design Emacs (it did not evolve by itself), and so clearly vi is [the tool of] the intelligent designer :-) Now THIS is a real discussion. Ciao, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:20:06PM -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/26/07 13:26, dave wrote: on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote: 6 months? No. But it seems like it. Oh. Yeah, you're right. Ciao, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Lamb wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Just as white is the absence of color? Exactly! (Or black in the case of emitted (as opposed to pigment) color) -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:36:18 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:20:52AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..reposting, last try was lost in gmane's auth queue. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:57:02 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:47:49 -0700, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? ..no, I drew a firm line at war crime. If you want me serving for the Fascinating. So toppling a dictator who killed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people is a war crime? ..no, that _would_ have been legal under Articles 87 and 86 in Protocol Additional 1 of the Conventions. Instead we got W's _flawed_ WMD story. Yeah, well that story originated long before W took office. ..aye, beyond prominent Republicans like Daddy Boy George. Still no excuse. Of course, *every* leading Democrat during the Clinton administration affirmed it, as did the Brits. I like how you conveniently ignore things when they are detrimental to your argument. ..I do? You should check those Yugoslav newsgroups. US, you will first have to either surrender, or, fight in full compliance to both the full 4 Geneva Conventions and to Sharia whereever I see, and blowing up innocent women and children is *not* a war crime! ..BS, you know it is. Heh. I see you criticizing the coalition forces (specifically US) quite a bit, but not a peep about the terrorists/insrugents/freedom fighters (or whatever you want to call them) out there blowing up *innocent* women and children in public markets. Of course, the evidence against the coalition forces is shaky at best, while it is mounting against the death squads and militias. Yet, people maximize the former and minimize the latter. Oh yeah. That's balance for you! ..I havent? Chk Groklaw for Sissy Boy George, I have a habit of starting with my own side, to set an honorable standard of decency. Why should I, or you, criticize Muslims when our side is even worse? Sharia provides a stricter protection for civilians, POW, internees, shipwrecked and the wounded than the full 4 Geneva Convention. ..that means you will arrest, try and hang Sissy Boy George. And crew. Actually, you arrest and try every congressional representative who voted to authorize the military action in Iraq. ..if they authorized war crimes, yes. I understood however Congress Authorized War, not war Crime? And I understood that you have yet to provide actual proof of war crimes. You ramble on about the GCs and NATO treaties, but you have yet to point out even one *specific* instance which when brought before a court has a reasonable chance as being found to be a war crime. ..I have pointed you to the murder on Saddam the POW, to POW's denied POW or Internee status and instead tortured on Gitmo and Abu Ghraib and you refute the Geneva Conventions in precisely the same way Nazis refute Jews were gassed. Etc. The closest you can probably get is the rape/murders committed by some Marines. That was a despicable act, but hardly a war crime. ..this bit you argue here, _is_ a war crime, just like rape Marines or Serb Wolwes(?) rape on civilians etc are. Of course, your lack of knowledge concerning politics and government is not surprising. ..my understanding of US Gov details is not relevant to this war, your understanding and application of the full 4 Geneva Conventions in this war, _is_, if you're an US or NATO or Taliban serviceman. More ramblings. No evidence. ..I|we have _you_ incriminating yourself right here on D-U. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if sponge burning is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never heard it before. So I googled sponge burning. But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means? --D. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/26/07 03:55, Dan H. wrote: After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if sponge burning is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never heard it before. So I googled sponge burning. But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means? Yes. IIRC, it started out referring to Sponge Bob Square Pants. --D. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGB7olS9HxQb37XmcRAnntAKDkP/o/+OZX5mmWMZFbnequIz/XYwCffUck 1Hx+Yrq2vkl3h95R1EV3h1Q= =0IF6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/26/07 03:55, Dan H. wrote: After this thread has been going on for months, I decided to find out if sponge burning is some kind of idiomatic expression because I'd never heard it before. So I googled sponge burning. But all I got were references to this thread, dozens of them, and nothing else. Does this mean that this thread has now become the de facto definition of sponge burning, whatever it means? Yes. IIRC, it started out referring to Sponge Bob Square Pants. Actually, it started out as a discussion related to an article on Slashdot/digg/something similar about nuking sponges in a microwave oven in order to kill the bacteria/germs on the sponge. When the article first came out, it did not specify to make sure the sponge was wet, and subsequently there were many reports a day or three later about dry sponges catching fire. I don't recall why that topic made it to this list, nor why it morphed into such a very off-topic thread, but it's all archived if you're really curious. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote: but it's all archived if you're really curious. It started with Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox! and has been running for almost 6 months now. Fascinating. Ciao, Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:26:10PM -0500, dave wrote: on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote: but it's all archived if you're really curious. It started with Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox! and has been running for almost 6 months now. Fascinating. I am wondering what some cultural anthropologist will have to asy about this in a few centuries' time :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/26/07 13:26, dave wrote: on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote: but it's all archived if you're really curious. It started with Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox! and has been running for almost 6 months now. Fascinating. 6 months? No. But it seems like it. The Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox! started 8 weeks 3 days ago, the sponge burning thread started 8 weeks ago. Ciao, Dave - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGCBzmS9HxQb37XmcRAoIgAJ0U6iEcCgkoVSZfIhmrdLt3T1ipZwCgtjPG LsXukwnoBbcMtHFoy1JhouE= =8RLZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:32:09PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:26:10PM -0500, dave wrote: on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote: but it's all archived if you're really curious. It started with Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox! and has been running for almost 6 months now. Fascinating. I am wondering what some cultural anthropologist will have to asy about this in a few centuries' time :-) Easy: Anybody know what these little platters of dusty old ferric oxide particles are?? anybody? I think they are some sort of religious talisman -- NO NO NO! I told you they are a fetish used in certain rituals I think they are a weapon, the hunters hurled them from an electronically controlled, high-rpm device. They would literally slice into their prey -- very accurate over long distances -- RUBBISH! These are clearly a symbolic representation of the sun god!! ... or maybe it will be something more like this: Emacs!! Vi!! ... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 16:00 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:32:09PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 01:26:10PM -0500, dave wrote: on Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:17:23AM -0500 Kent West wrote: but it's all archived if you're really curious. It started with Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox! and has been running for almost 6 months now. Fascinating. I am wondering what some cultural anthropologist will have to asy about this in a few centuries' time :-) Easy: Anybody know what these little platters of dusty old ferric oxide particles are?? anybody? I think they are some sort of religious talisman -- NO NO NO! I told you they are a fetish used in certain rituals I think they are a weapon, the hunters hurled them from an electronically controlled, high-rpm device. They would literally slice into their prey -- very accurate over long distances -- RUBBISH! These are clearly a symbolic representation of the sun god!! ... or maybe it will be something more like this: Emacs!! Vi!! Waitaminnit! We all know creation and evolution are processes running under EMACS! -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 04:00:41PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:32:09PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: I am wondering what some cultural anthropologist will have to asy about this in a few centuries' time :-) Easy: Anybody know what these little platters of dusty old ferric oxide particles are?? anybody? I think they are some sort of religious talisman -- NO NO NO! I told you they are a fetish used in certain rituals I think they are a weapon, the hunters hurled them from an electronically controlled, high-rpm device. They would literally slice into their prey -- very accurate over long distances -- RUBBISH! These are clearly a symbolic representation of the sun god!! ... or maybe it will be something more like this: Emacs!! Vi!! Good point. We can't even read tape and file formats from 20 years ago. I don't know what possessed me to think that in hundreds of years anything from today will still be accessible :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:04:40PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: Waitaminnit! We all know creation and evolution are processes running under EMACS! Ahh, but something must have been used to design Emacs (it did not evolve by itself), and so clearly vi is [the tool of] the intelligent designer :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:53:50 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Just as white is the absence of color? ..white is the absence of color? ..how come milk faces _change_ in color from they are born, sick, sunburned etc to they are dead, when Africans etc don't? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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..reposting, last try was lost in gmane's auth queue. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:59:08 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:48:35PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..Adolf Hitler has moral standing on his Führerbefehl because he put 400,000 men on the job, to protect Norway's 3.5 Million, that's one per 8.5 norwegian. Adolf Hitler has moral standing? How can someone get so divorced from reality? Seriously, how? ..by issuing, and forcefully enforcing his order to protect Civilians in Norway from the dangers of war. Even the Jews. ..und Sie, W? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:53:50 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Just as white is the absence of color? ..white is the absence of color? Yup. People say that but in a projective context, like a monitor, white is all colors and black is the absence of color. My point which clearly sailed over your head, is that the absence of rain/snow/wind/clouds is not by the same as absence of weather. ..how come milk faces _change_ in color from they are born, sick, sunburned etc to they are dead, when Africans etc don't? ;o) Racist much? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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..reposting, last try was lost in gmane's auth queue. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:05:38 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:09:48PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..maybe, define just full of all sorts of conspiracy theories, I don't watch TV, I pick my news off the web, where I try to balance Muslim, Crusader, Commie, Jew, Asian, LatinAmerican and Norwegian news against what I learned in boot school. Oh yeah, labeling non-muslims as crusaders is really balanced. ..maybe you should try my way yourself, or am I missing some dense irony here? ;o) Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Don't you get it? We can't just go home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. ..so, we'll just wipe'm out, right? Genau wie im Auschwitz? Yeah. Because you know that the US military is over in Iraq and Afghanistan rounding up innocent women and children and killing them by the truckload in the name of stopping terrorism. Oh wait, that's not at all what is happening. They are over there looking for the actual terrorists and their supporters. They are capturing the terrorists and affording them Geneva conventions protections (of which you are so fond of claiming that should be done) whem *they are not even entitled* to such protection. ..here, you qualify yourself as a war criminal if you wanna pretend this is legal. ..read Article 5 of the NATO treaty, then the 4 Geneva Conventions and their 3 Protocols Additional and then the US War Crimes Act as it were on 9/11 2001, to understand the lawful legal regime for this war. ..then enforce them all, or become a war criminal, or Step aside! as Osama said. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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..reposting, last try was lost in gmane's auth queue. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:57:02 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:47:49 -0700, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? ..no, I drew a firm line at war crime. If you want me serving for the Fascinating. So toppling a dictator who killed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people is a war crime? ..no, that _would_ have been legal under Articles 87 and 86 in Protocol Additional 1 of the Conventions. Instead we got W's _flawed_ WMD story. US, you will first have to either surrender, or, fight in full compliance to both the full 4 Geneva Conventions and to Sharia whereever I see, and blowing up innocent women and children is *not* a war crime! ..BS, you know it is. Sharia provides a stricter protection for civilians, POW, internees, shipwrecked and the wounded than the full 4 Geneva Convention. ..that means you will arrest, try and hang Sissy Boy George. And crew. Actually, you arrest and try every congressional representative who voted to authorize the military action in Iraq. ..if they authorized war crimes, yes. I understood however Congress Authorized War, not war Crime? Of course, your lack of knowledge concerning politics and government is not surprising. ..my understanding of US Gov details is not relevant to this war, your understanding and application of the full 4 Geneva Conventions in this war, _is_, if you're an US or NATO or Taliban serviceman. There is not one military person currently serving in Iraq who did not volunteer. Please get over yourself. I'm not sure how voluntary it truly is, given that in practice the military is a last resort when the only other choice is homelessness and starvation... ..ach, so keine draft bedeutet volonteering? Oder Freiwillige? Wie der Adolf's Söldner der die Juden in Auchwitz vergasst hatten? *plonk* ..eh, what are we trying to argue here? ;o) Regards, -Roberto -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 02:20:52AM +, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..reposting, last try was lost in gmane's auth queue. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:57:02 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:47:49 -0700, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? ..no, I drew a firm line at war crime. If you want me serving for the Fascinating. So toppling a dictator who killed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people is a war crime? ..no, that _would_ have been legal under Articles 87 and 86 in Protocol Additional 1 of the Conventions. Instead we got W's _flawed_ WMD story. Yeah, well that story originated long before W took office. Of course, *every* leading Democrat during the Clinton administration affirmed it, as did the Brits. I like how you conveniently ignore things when they are detrimental to your argument. US, you will first have to either surrender, or, fight in full compliance to both the full 4 Geneva Conventions and to Sharia whereever I see, and blowing up innocent women and children is *not* a war crime! ..BS, you know it is. Heh. I see you criticizing the coalition forces (specifically US) quite a bit, but not a peep about the terrorists/insrugents/freedom fighters (or whatever you want to call them) out there blowing up *innocent* women and children in public markets. Of course, the evidence against the coalition forces is shaky at best, while it is mounting against the death squads and militias. Yet, people maximize the former and minimize the latter. Oh yeah. That's balance for you! Sharia provides a stricter protection for civilians, POW, internees, shipwrecked and the wounded than the full 4 Geneva Convention. ..that means you will arrest, try and hang Sissy Boy George. And crew. Actually, you arrest and try every congressional representative who voted to authorize the military action in Iraq. ..if they authorized war crimes, yes. I understood however Congress Authorized War, not war Crime? And I understood that you have yet to provide actual proof of war crimes. You ramble on about the GCs and NATO treaties, but you have yet to point out even one *specific* instance which when brought before a court has a reasonable chance as being found to be a war crime. The closest you can probably get is the rape/murders committed by some Marines. That was a despicable act, but hardly a war crime. Of course, your lack of knowledge concerning politics and government is not surprising. ..my understanding of US Gov details is not relevant to this war, your understanding and application of the full 4 Geneva Conventions in this war, _is_, if you're an US or NATO or Taliban serviceman. More ramblings. No evidence. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:14:16 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:53:50 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Just as white is the absence of color? ..white is the absence of color? Yup. People say that but in a projective context, like a monitor, white is all colors and black is the absence of color. My point which clearly sailed over your head, is that the absence of rain/snow/wind/clouds is not by the same as absence of weather. ..you break up joke context here. ;o) ..how come milk faces _change_ in color from they are born, sick, sunburned etc to they are dead, when Africans etc don't? ;o) Racist much? ..how? ..more like a response to Politically Correct Prejudice, I saw this point made in an African-American cartoon joke, I just replaced white with milk face. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On 19 Mar, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Heh, Texans (and for that matter, most of the desert southwest and California) crack me up in thinking that they get weather more than 30 days out of any given year... Hmm. When I lived in Texas I am pretty sure that we had weather every day of the year. They have even had weather when I have gone back to visit family. True. So very true. The many long months of uninterrupted precipitation-less heat is the one thing I dislike about living in the Lone Star state. (It's still officially winter, and here it was 80 yesterday (83 expected today) (which, of course, is nothing compared to Boy, do I miss Texas! On the other hand, having grown up and spent most of my life so far in the Northeast, I'd have a real hard time leaving it, especially during the fall and winter. First full day of spring here, and it was 0 F at our house this morning (-15 in central Adirondacks). Well, OK, that's unusual for so late in the year, but not record-setting. I suppose that there may come a day when I don't enjoy the winter, but at 50+ it hasn't happened yet. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:52:09PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: True. So very true. The many long months of uninterrupted precipitation-less heat is the one thing I dislike about living in the Lone Star state. (It's still officially winter, and here it was 80 yesterday (83 expected today) (which, of course, is nothing compared to Precipitation and moisture are for wimps :-) 83 on the PLUS side? Thats enough to melt the... on a (You fill in the blanks. Blubber and seal?) Now _minus_ 83, now that's bracing! The high arctic is a desert too. Not only that, but you can readily fix being cold with relatively available equipment that's existed in some form or another for the last few thousand years. Let's see Texas beat that with their wussy, electric-dependent air conditioning. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Heh, Texans (and for that matter, most of the desert southwest and California) crack me up in thinking that they get weather more than 30 days out of any given year... Hmm. When I lived in Texas I am pretty sure that we had weather every day of the year. They have even had weather when I have gone back to visit family. Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. some parts of the world; still...).) I reckon if I wanted moisture I could move to the east side, but then I'd have to put up with humid, muggy heat. I've often longed for a NorthWestern climate here in Texas. Precipitation and moisture are for wimps :-) As long as you don't salt the roads, you won't rust. You'll even grow a nice, protective layer of moss! That reminds me, I need to mow my truck soon...I think the moss is starting to cut into the gas mileage... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Greg Folkert wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! It's just as cold either way. It's one thing everybody agrees on: -40 is enough to freeze your nards off! -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
Paul Johnson wrote: Cloudless sky with negligable wind is an absence of weather. Just as white is the absence of color? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:41:17AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Not only that, but you can readily fix being cold with relatively available equipment that's existed in some form or another for the last few thousand years. Let's see Texas beat that with their wussy, electric-dependent air conditioning. Where in Canada are you? I'm stuck in Southern Ontario most of the time. Since I'm asthmatic, I'm also stuck with wussy AC. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:42:06AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Greg Folkert wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! It's just as cold either way. It's one thing everybody agrees on: -40 is enough to freeze your nards off! Your nards don't have a beard? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Roberto C. Sánchez ha scritto: ... However, the *vast* majority of people who join the military have plenty of other opportunities. hangman, headsman, butcher ... Luigi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 22:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/07 21:57, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 21:12 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/19/07 18:56, Greg Folkert wrote: [snip] Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! Aqua Velva!!! I am more of a Brut 33 kind of man. Oops. I meant Mennen Skin Bracer. Thanks, I needed that! Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 12:07 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:42:06AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Greg Folkert wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! It's just as cold either way. It's one thing everybody agrees on: -40 is enough to freeze your nards off! Your nards don't have a beard? Excuse me... do you *REALLY* want to know that answer... from Paul? /me ducks and runs from Paul Sorry Paul, I had to do that. It involved being cold, nards and a beard. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. When memory fails To recall an ad It's time to shave Like dear old Dad. Burma-Shave -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com http://kentwest.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. When memory fails To recall an ad It's time to shave Like dear old Dad. Burma-Shave Which nursing home are *you* in? ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGAC5rS9HxQb37XmcRAuq+AJ0aqDWx9Mo05lst0K5uwoSlD/C+GQCdHINf nAjgCmD1vqvTXuIcjx7zHYM= =Segy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 13:12, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 12:07 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:42:06AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Greg Folkert wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! It's just as cold either way. It's one thing everybody agrees on: -40 is enough to freeze your nards off! Your nards don't have a beard? Excuse me... do you *REALLY* want to know that answer... from Paul? /me ducks and runs from Paul Sorry Paul, I had to do that. It involved being cold, nards and a beard. And a furry costume. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGAC/rS9HxQb37XmcRAu8vAKDqI/YNsBXj8/IlAftwzWcC9uhcgwCfUpep ORAv7pwLyeqt932Vt4ZwGy8= =+CKP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. When memory fails To recall an ad It's time to shave Like dear old Dad. Burma-Shave Which nursing home are *you* in? ;) just think of the confusion when google turns up lists.debian.org for burma-shave searches... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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on Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 12:18:21PM -0700 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: just think of the confusion when google turns up lists.debian.org for burma-shave searches... Yow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/07 14:18, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. When memory fails To recall an ad It's time to shave Like dear old Dad. Burma-Shave Which nursing home are *you* in? ;) just think of the confusion when google turns up lists.debian.org for burma-shave searches... Remember the emails that the list used to get from people wanting to have their (female-oriented magazine that I won't mention, because I don't want Google to rank it anymore) mailing addresses changed? A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFGADZnS9HxQb37XmcRAqTtAJiwFS57B5beUYOoV4SefcteyMtuAJ4rabdR CvkdqC1xyyoPY12YhGTS/g== =I/R1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 02:30:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/20/07 14:18, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:56:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/20/07 13:20, Kent West wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: Yah got me. I can't think of more old ones. You used the last one I could remember. When memory fails To recall an ad It's time to shave Like dear old Dad. Burma-Shave Which nursing home are *you* in? ;) just think of the confusion when google turns up lists.debian.org for burma-shave searches... Remember the emails that the list used to get from people wanting to have their (female-oriented magazine that I won't mention, because I don't want Google to rank it anymore) mailing addresses changed? must be from before my time... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:57:43PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 06:08:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: Bringing democracy and freedom to the Iraqi people er no! Uh, yes. Try looking past Wolf Blitzer and his over-hyped candy show and try to find the good in the nation. You do realize that 80-90% of the the violence in Iraq right now is in a 20 mile radius of Bagdad? *And* is caused by a small and determined group of violent religious extremists. which group is that? All of them? *duck!* -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? There is not one military person currently serving in Iraq who did not volunteer. Please get over yourself. I'm not sure how voluntary it truly is, given that in practice the military is a last resort when the only other choice is homelessness and starvation... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kent West wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Paul Johnson wrote: You've never seen cheapo crayons (like Prang crayons) left out on a hot (ie over 70 degrees Fahrenheit) day Ha-haa!! You North-Westerners slay me Hot. 70 degrees. Ha ha ha ha ha. Heh, Texans (and for that matter, most of the desert southwest and California) crack me up in thinking that they get weather more than 30 days out of any given year... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: Heh, Texans (and for that matter, most of the desert southwest and California) crack me up in thinking that they get weather more than 30 days out of any given year... True. So very true. The many long months of uninterrupted precipitation-less heat is the one thing I dislike about living in the Lone Star state. (It's still officially winter, and here it was 80 yesterday (83 expected today) (which, of course, is nothing compared to some parts of the world; still...).) I reckon if I wanted moisture I could move to the east side, but then I'd have to put up with humid, muggy heat. I've often longed for a NorthWestern climate here in Texas. -- Kent West http://kentwest.blogspot.com http://kentwest.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:47:49 -0700, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? ..no, I drew a firm line at war crime. If you want me serving for the US, you will first have to either surrender, or, fight in full compliance to both the full 4 Geneva Conventions and to Sharia whereever Sharia provides a stricter protection for civilians, POW, internees, shipwrecked and the wounded than the full 4 Geneva Convention. ..that means you will arrest, try and hang Sissy Boy George. And crew. There is not one military person currently serving in Iraq who did not volunteer. Please get over yourself. I'm not sure how voluntary it truly is, given that in practice the military is a last resort when the only other choice is homelessness and starvation... ..ach, so keine draft bedeutet volonteering? Oder Freiwillige? Wie der Adolf's Söldner der die Juden in Auchwitz vergasst hatten? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:41:43 -0400, Roberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:57:32PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:26:03AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: Are these the same Muslims who are blowing innocent men women and children in markets schools and other public places? If I'm not mistaken we killed far more innocent men and women and children just bombing into Iraq than any terrorists have killed so far. You are quite mistaken. The Iraq Body Count project (a fairly liberal anti-war group) has only managed to attribute about 37% of the Iraqi civilian casualties to US and Coalition activities. Which means, that in reality the percentage is probably much lower. ..the bodycount and any other details conserning the wellbeing of civilians, internees, POW etc is the personal responibility of the Supreme Commander and all members of Any Present Occupant Power. ..Adolf Hitler was responsible for about 2000 dead civilian Norwegians in occupied Norway in WWII. In his Standgerichte in Norway, over 4000 German Nazi troops were shot for failing to obey das Führerbefehl die Norweger von dem Krieg zu schützen. ..Adolf Hitler has moral standing on his Führerbefehl because he put 400,000 men on the job, to protect Norway's 3.5 Million, that's one per 8.5 norwegian. ..und Sie, W? ..I was trained for WWIII, nuclear combat against the Soviet Union under the full 4 Geneva Conventions, and how to use these Conventions as a psyops weapon against the Soviet GI's. Even the Nazis made some use of these. But the Bush Regime has declared them, old fashion and obsolete. That is precisely why I, as a civilian, am _pleased_ to honor Osama bin Laden's 3'rd option, Step aside!, where Sissy Boy George screams With me, or, against me!. Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Then Bush's people have been successful in their fear campaign with you. Then if you think that Bush's people are involved in a fear campaign with respect to the threat of Islamic extremism, then they Muslims' PR campaign has been successful with you. Please go read the book described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_the_Jews:_The_Unfinished_Battle Then you will see the truth. ..it _is_ a credible hint on why Muslims should join Hezbollah and get nukes. Don't you get it? We can't just go home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. What is naive is to think these wars are about religion and terrorists. As long as the US dollar is so connected to oil people like Bush and friends will continue using terror as an excuse to do what they are doing. You know what is really funny? If Clinton had done this, the whole world would be singing his praises. Oh wait. He basically did in the form of Operation Desert Fox. But then he did it just for show and didn't actually try to fix anything. He just lobbed some bombs over there. ..a fair guess is a lot of the 6 million gassed Jews might have appreciated similar hints. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:36:12 -0400, Roberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:26:03AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..like one of either Blackwater, Halliburton or KBR? Or some bunches of top secret tiny wee teams of PMC's? ;o) These bombs _are_ _very_ good for their business. And, how _would_ we D-U'pes know? From Fox? ;o) Wow, you really are just full of all sorts of conspiracy theories. ..maybe, define just full of all sorts of conspiracy theories, I don't watch TV, I pick my news off the web, where I try to balance Muslim, Crusader, Commie, Jew, Asian, LatinAmerican and Norwegian news against what I learned in boot school. ..consider asking any GI Iraq veteran how long he'd last if their water supply contractors turns on them to try evade Article 47 enforcement, and you will find the Bush Regime is using these mercenaries to hold the US Army, USAF, USMC, hostage in Iraq. I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? ..no, the RNoAF and the RNoNavy, the below refers to my secondary and tertiary role, base defense and infantery, allthough 4*Gen Kevin Byrnes of TRADCOMM may have referred to us as stay-behind guerillas. Primary role was train AA gun crews: ..I was trained for WWIII, nuclear combat against the Soviet Union under the full 4 Geneva Conventions, and how to use these Conventions as a psyops weapon against the Soviet GI's. Even the Nazis made some use of these. But the Bush Regime has declared them, old fashion and obsolete. That is precisely why I, as a civilian, am _pleased_ to honor Osama bin Laden's 3'rd option, Step aside!, where Sissy Boy George screams With me, or, against me!. Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Don't you get it? We can't just go home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. ..so, we'll just wipe'm out, right? Genau wie im Auschwitz? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/18/07 21:57, Paul Scott wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:26:03AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: Are these the same Muslims who are blowing innocent men women and children in markets schools and other public places? If I'm not mistaken we killed far more innocent men and women and children just bombing into Iraq than any terrorists have killed so far. ..I was trained for WWIII, nuclear combat against the Soviet Union under the full 4 Geneva Conventions, and how to use these Conventions as a psyops weapon against the Soviet GI's. Even the Nazis made some use of these. But the Bush Regime has declared them, old fashion and obsolete. That is precisely why I, as a civilian, am _pleased_ to honor Osama bin Laden's 3'rd option, Step aside!, where Sissy Boy George screams With me, or, against me!. Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Or converted to Wahabist Islam. Then Bush's people have been successful in their fear campaign with you. You haven't really studied their (islamofascist) writings, have you? Don't you get it? We can't just go home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. What is naive is to think these wars are about religion and terrorists. As long as the US dollar is so connected to oil people like Bush and friends will continue using terror as an excuse to do what they are doing. It's a *hell* of a lot cheaper to *buy* it at $50/bbl than it is to invade Iraq. That's why we prop up dictators. If Saddam had only been happy to grow fabulously wealth selling metric yatta-assloads of oil, *none* of this would have happened. But no. Ha had to get extra greedy, and then megalomaniacal thinking he could unite all the Arabs. Paul Scott -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF/sqsS9HxQb37XmcRApJ0AKCUgd43iWxLrhhr1Q/zMSGukjfapACfW56i DGXggaGtAuo4nZl4XRmWuJ8= =KigS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Heh, Texans (and for that matter, most of the desert southwest and California) crack me up in thinking that they get weather more than 30 days out of any given year... Hmm. When I lived in Texas I am pretty sure that we had weather every day of the year. They have even had weather when I have gone back to visit family. True. So very true. The many long months of uninterrupted precipitation-less heat is the one thing I dislike about living in the Lone Star state. (It's still officially winter, and here it was 80 yesterday (83 expected today) (which, of course, is nothing compared to Boy, do I miss Texas! some parts of the world; still...).) I reckon if I wanted moisture I could move to the east side, but then I'd have to put up with humid, muggy heat. I've often longed for a NorthWestern climate here in Texas. Precipitation and moisture are for wimps :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:47:49AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? There is not one military person currently serving in Iraq who did not volunteer. Please get over yourself. I'm not sure how voluntary it truly is, given that in practice the military is a last resort when the only other choice is homelessness and starvation... Come on Paul. Not this again. For *you* it might be a last resort before homelessness and starvation. However, the *vast* majority of people who join the military have plenty of other opportunities. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:18:40PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:47:49 -0700, Paul wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto C. Sánchez wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I don't suppose you have ever served in the U.S. military, have you? ..no, I drew a firm line at war crime. If you want me serving for the Fascinating. So toppling a dictator who killed tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people is a war crime? US, you will first have to either surrender, or, fight in full compliance to both the full 4 Geneva Conventions and to Sharia whereever I see, and blowing up innocent women and children is *not* a war crime! Sharia provides a stricter protection for civilians, POW, internees, shipwrecked and the wounded than the full 4 Geneva Convention. ..that means you will arrest, try and hang Sissy Boy George. And crew. Actually, you arrest and try every congressional representative who voted to authorize the military action in Iraq. Of course, your lack of knowledge concerning politics and government is not surprising. There is not one military person currently serving in Iraq who did not volunteer. Please get over yourself. I'm not sure how voluntary it truly is, given that in practice the military is a last resort when the only other choice is homelessness and starvation... ..ach, so keine draft bedeutet volonteering? Oder Freiwillige? Wie der Adolf's Söldner der die Juden in Auchwitz vergasst hatten? *plonk* Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:48:35PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..Adolf Hitler has moral standing on his Führerbefehl because he put 400,000 men on the job, to protect Norway's 3.5 Million, that's one per 8.5 norwegian. Adolf Hitler has moral standing? How can someone get so divorced from reality? Seriously, how? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:09:48PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..maybe, define just full of all sorts of conspiracy theories, I don't watch TV, I pick my news off the web, where I try to balance Muslim, Crusader, Commie, Jew, Asian, LatinAmerican and Norwegian news against what I learned in boot school. Oh yeah, labeling non-muslims as crusaders is really balanced. Again, your naivete is scary. The Muslims will not be happy until the Jews and Christians are gone. Don't you get it? We can't just go home and think that they will never bother us again. To think so is beyond naive. ..so, we'll just wipe'm out, right? Genau wie im Auschwitz? Yeah. Because you know that the US military is over in Iraq and Afghanistan rounding up innocent women and children and killing them by the truckload in the name of stopping terrorism. Oh wait, that's not at all what is happening. They are over there looking for the actual terrorists and their supporters. They are capturing the terrorists and affording them Geneva conventions protections (of which you are so fond of claiming that should be done) whem *they are not even entitled* to such protection. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:52:09PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: True. So very true. The many long months of uninterrupted precipitation-less heat is the one thing I dislike about living in the Lone Star state. (It's still officially winter, and here it was 80 yesterday (83 expected today) (which, of course, is nothing compared to Precipitation and moisture are for wimps :-) 83 on the PLUS side? Thats enough to melt the... on a (You fill in the blanks. Blubber and seal?) Now _minus_ 83, now that's bracing! The high arctic is a desert too. Beards: them that can, grow 'em; them that can't... live in Texas? :) BLT: Bannok, Lard, and Tea! Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:27 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:52:09PM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: True. So very true. The many long months of uninterrupted precipitation-less heat is the one thing I dislike about living in the Lone Star state. (It's still officially winter, and here it was 80 yesterday (83 expected today) (which, of course, is nothing compared to Precipitation and moisture are for wimps :-) 83 on the PLUS side? Thats enough to melt the... on a (You fill in the blanks. Blubber and seal?) Now _minus_ 83, now that's bracing! The high arctic is a desert too. Beards: them that can, grow 'em; them that can't... live in Texas? :) BLT: Bannok, Lard, and Tea! Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:56:39PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:27 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Now _minus_ 83, now that's bracing! The high arctic is a desert too. Beards: them that can, grow 'em; them that can't... live in Texas? :) BLT: Bannok, Lard, and Tea! Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! They're the same, although Celsius sounds more like the sound ice crystals make when they hit your goggles. Any colder, and at least no one can complain that the mercury is falling. Why? (come on.. I'm waiting) :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 20:29 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:56:39PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:27 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Now _minus_ 83, now that's bracing! The high arctic is a desert too. Beards: them that can, grow 'em; them that can't... live in Texas? :) BLT: Bannok, Lard, and Tea! Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! They're the same, although Celsius sounds more like the sound ice crystals make when they hit your goggles. Any colder, and at least no one can complain that the mercury is falling. Why? (come on.. I'm waiting) :) The Celsius Thermometer wil drop significantly slower the the Fahrenheit one. So the apparent Change for Fahrenheit scale will be much Colder than the Celsius scale. B, I am glad I use Fahrenheit as it goes FASTER! Oh, MUCH colder would be -372 degrees Fa-Fa-Fahrenheit or if spoken at that temperature would sound like: No, it is blank. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:37:33PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 20:29 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:56:39PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 19:27 -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! They're the same, although Celsius sounds more like the sound ice crystals make when they hit your goggles. Any colder, and at least no one can complain that the mercury is falling. Why? (come on.. I'm waiting) :) Mecury freezes at about -40 which is why most thermometers (even non-mercury ones) don't go any lower. It takes a special thermometer. Don't forget about adding windchill. The scientific method requires dew-point and stuff, but basically double the wind speed in Km/h and subtract it from the temperature in C. Normal wind across an open plain is 20 Km/h unless there's a storm. So -40 C easily gets to -80 with windchill. The good news: at some point down there, all viruses are destroyed. Put a closed community in a cold place and there are no colds or flu. I've yet to join a 300 club: sauna at 200 C, run outside buck naked at -100 C. Read the book IceBound for a description (it takes place at the _south_ pole). I'd love to live in the high arctic if the cost of living wasn't so high. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/07 17:52, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:33:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Heh, Texans (and for that matter, most of the desert southwest and California) crack me up in thinking that they get weather more than 30 days out of any given year... Hmm. When I lived in Texas I am pretty sure that we had weather every day of the year. They have even had weather when I have gone back to visit family. Sometimes Paul just drops his drawers and begs us to make fun of him. It's sad, really. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF/0JpS9HxQb37XmcRAuxdAKDqiR2BhUXB8ZPPIW14wlf06H6eaACeMpUI lYVRApUEQCDWD40Ys2qCvEo= =b/SJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/07 18:56, Greg Folkert wrote: [snip] Okay then, what is more bracing: -40 degrees Celsius -40 degrees Fahrenheit Come on... I am waiting! Aqua Velva!!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF/0MoS9HxQb37XmcRAjHCAJ9Iml+L3o2YxnQUuCRbyA2rOjEumgCgkLYm w8/hfiG63dEGOvRuNB8I9LM= =fwep -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
