Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Le Mer 6 février 2013 1:12, Rob Owens a écrit : On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 09:50:09AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: Those of you who don't use PA, how do you do network streaming? That is my usecase for PA as it's handy to start a stream on my desktop and send it to the Myth box for playback through the amp. I can do that from the laptop if I choose as well. The trick is to use the Sid/Wheezy version of pavucontrol where individual application playback can be selected. I find PA is useful for directing playback to my set of Logitech portable USB speakers and my laptop. I'll jump in with one more good use for pulseaudio: It is needed for sound on LTSP thin clients. Not important to everyone, I know, but it's important to me. In general, pulseaudio hasn't caused me any real problems. -Rob If you are speaking about simply music, then, I simply use mpd, and configure it to have a network output. I simply think about mpd as an _interactive_ software following UNIX philosophy: it have an stdin and an stdout, and only plays music from playlists (but does it very well). (I know that UNIX philosophy says that input and output should be raw text and that it is not for mpd) You can use any tool you want to drive the input, and you can redirect it's output where you want, network included ;) And no needs for pulseaudio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9896b7db6fb650cd3ce1cdd20a9912d4.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On 02/05/2013 08:44 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Dienstag, 5. Februar 2013 schrieb darkestkhan: Mixing works out of the box here too - some integrated Intel audio chipset. AFAIK in recent versions of ALSA / distributions shipping it, by default dmix is automatically configured and used. On my ThinkPad T530 mixing works out of the box as well, whether via software or via hardware… Hi Martin, you are totally right! just have purged pulse* and both cmus and youtube started to play sound without blocking each other :) Thanks, Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51125e04.8050...@biotec.tu-dresden.de
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On 02/05/2013 09:50 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: Those of you who don't use PA, how do you do network streaming? That is my usecase for PA as it's handy to start a stream on my desktop and send it to the Myth box for playback through the amp. I can do that from the laptop if I choose as well. The trick is to use the Sid/Wheezy version of pavucontrol where individual application playback can be selected. I find PA is useful for directing playback to my set of Logitech portable USB speakers and my laptop. At one time I found PA to be maddening. For the past year or so, it has become quite useful to me. - Nate Short answer: I have zero use for that feature. Long answer: It's a pretty fringe feature to have in exchange for a sound daemon that frequency breaks sound on a lot of Linux boxes I have to fix every day. The only sound I stream is HTTPD music through MPD, which would probably do it a far cry better than Pulseaudio ever would. Conrad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51127ac3.9010...@marupa.net
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On 02/05/2013 01:44 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Dienstag, 5. Februar 2013 schrieb darkestkhan: Mixing works out of the box here too - some integrated Intel audio chipset. AFAIK in recent versions of ALSA / distributions shipping it, by default dmix is automatically configured and used. On my ThinkPad T530 mixing works out of the box as well, whether via software or via hardware… ALSA has never given me any problems across the several different hardware configurations I've had. Never had problems with sound mixing, and I do agree with you, it does seem dmix seems to be included with the ALSA packages required to use ALSA in the first place. Conversely, every hardware configuration I've had Pulseaudio has never worked properly. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51127b6c.3070...@marupa.net
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Mixing works out of the box here too - some integrated Intel audio chipset. darkestkhan
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Those of you who don't use PA, how do you do network streaming? That is my usecase for PA as it's handy to start a stream on my desktop and send it to the Myth box for playback through the amp. I can do that from the laptop if I choose as well. The trick is to use the Sid/Wheezy version of pavucontrol where individual application playback can be selected. I find PA is useful for directing playback to my set of Logitech portable USB speakers and my laptop. At one time I found PA to be maddening. For the past year or so, it has become quite useful to me. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130205155009.gr5...@n0nb.us
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Am Dienstag, 5. Februar 2013 schrieb darkestkhan: Mixing works out of the box here too - some integrated Intel audio chipset. AFAIK in recent versions of ALSA / distributions shipping it, by default dmix is automatically configured and used. On my ThinkPad T530 mixing works out of the box as well, whether via software or via hardware… -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201302052044.11398.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Ma, 05 feb 13, 09:50:09, Nate Bargmann wrote: Those of you who don't use PA, how do you do network streaming? That is my usecase for PA as it's handy to start a stream on my desktop and send it to the Myth box for playback through the amp. I can do that from the laptop if I choose as well. The trick is to use the Sid/Wheezy version of pavucontrol where individual application playback can be selected. I find PA is useful for directing playback to my set of Logitech portable USB speakers and my laptop. I'm using mpd ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 09:50:09AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: Those of you who don't use PA, how do you do network streaming? That is my usecase for PA as it's handy to start a stream on my desktop and send it to the Myth box for playback through the amp. I can do that from the laptop if I choose as well. The trick is to use the Sid/Wheezy version of pavucontrol where individual application playback can be selected. I find PA is useful for directing playback to my set of Logitech portable USB speakers and my laptop. I'll jump in with one more good use for pulseaudio: It is needed for sound on LTSP thin clients. Not important to everyone, I know, but it's important to me. In general, pulseaudio hasn't caused me any real problems. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130206001224.gc22...@aurora.owens.net
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? I do not understand... for which use alsa does not work? It works perfectly here... He is not saying ALSA doesn't work for him. I understood that phrase like he was saying alsa could not work? If that was not what he meant, I would be grateful for some explanations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/fc0cd401e6fb5f4d7954a3e3a07a4...@neutralite.org
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 09:09:42AM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? I do not understand... for which use alsa does not work? It works perfectly here... He is not saying ALSA doesn't work for him. I understood that phrase like he was saying alsa could not work? It was a question, but more like alsa could work? If that was not what he meant, I would be grateful for some explanations. Aside, from the fact that pulse runs on top of ALSA. He was asking whether it would be usable instead. But I think the OP will find that ALSA is actually installed. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130204125214.GA2997@tal
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Monday 04 February 2013 08:09:42 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? I do not understand... for which use alsa does not work? It works perfectly here... He is not saying ALSA doesn't work for him. I understood that phrase like he was saying alsa could not work? If that was not what he meant, I would be grateful for some explanations. I understood it to be a question. Does ALSA work? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201302041433.48947.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? Esound is (mostly?) unmaintained for a long time AFAIK. Anyway, it was far buggier than PA ever was. Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. Cheers, Kelly Clowers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-20-Bj=4-Sk6NQjoWWWypY5O+so=omjojhjotey20...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) OSS is deprecated, alsa is the current successor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3f0e430d30045d36c6ffe00722abfec8.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM�5_1CG_C7MUJM=3suuiLXuoiPhf871OxrwEsCGAL=f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:36:34AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Actually, that depends on the hardware. If your hardware can do hardware mixing (I know of at least one SoundBlaster that can, but I can't remember which model at the moment), then you can play simultaneous streams. But for most cards, you have to rely on software mixing (dmix, pulse, jack etc). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:36:34AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Actually, that depends on the hardware. If your hardware can do hardware mixing (I know of at least one SoundBlaster that can, but I can't remember which model at the moment), then you can play simultaneous streams. But for most cards, you have to rely on software mixing (dmix, pulse, jack etc). Ah, you a right, I had forgotten. But most consumer cards don't (Xonar don't, for example...higher end Creatives do, but I personally wouldn't go Creative for that), and I don't know if any onboard chips do. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_4GhZ63YivSQ47Lpx7Q5KKkGMG+�bxyrbgw6luy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Monday, February 4, 2013, Kelly Clowers wrote: Esound is (mostly?) unmaintained for a long time AFAIK. Anyway, it was far buggier than PA ever was. Not that either are fun to deal with when all you want to do is be able to get Second Life's voice support to work. Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. Even then, ALSA does quite fine if the hardware you're dealing with isn't single-channel.
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Monday, February 4, 2013, Darac Marjal wrote: Actually, that depends on the hardware. If your hardware can do hardware mixing (I know of at least one SoundBlaster that can, but I can't remember which model at the moment), then you can play simultaneous streams. But for most cards, you have to rely on software mixing (dmix, pulse, jack etc). SB Pro 128 did it, I know that one for sure because knowing how much of a pain things like esound and PA are, it was the card I strongly recommended to everyone regardless of what platform they chose. Especially since it was only something like $5 more than the less capable hardware available at the time.
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
Am Montag, 4. Februar 2013 schrieb Kelly Clowers: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Here it just works out of the box. And since trying to use Pulseaudio created more than three different issues I did not have *without* Pulseaudio I removed it again. 1) Sometimes doesn´t get that USB soundcard is available and I have to replug it several times. 2) Unless in system mode I can not have two sessions open with one of it playing music, cause Pulseaudio stops the playing music on session switch. And no, this is not configurable. And no, Pulseaudio developers do not care for this use case. 3) When in system mode on search update the start pulseaudio scripts are replaced again. And consequently they start Pulseaudio even when its already running system wide. 4) When playing back DVDs with VLC audio starts 5 to 10 seconds after video. Even with rtkit installed. Purging Pulseaudio made music playback synchron to video in an instant. 5) When playing back music with my old Amarok machine, a ThinkPad T23, I had music being stuck for more than 5 seconds. And yes, rtkit also installed there. This has almost completely gone by just using Phonon VLC with ALSA directly. There may still be a occassional sound drop of a second or so, but nowhere as worse as before. I do not want to become a scientist to just get my audio to work. All of this issues are fixable by just purging Pulseaudio from my system. The complete lack of any feedback on my bug reports makes the think that it does not make sense for my to try out Pulseaudio anytime soon. I like systemd, it works for me. But for my user experience Pulseaudio is a apt-get purge candidate. I don´t want to mess with it and I do not want to invest hours to get something as simple as fluent audio playback. (Yes, Pulseaudio got my piece of crap award at some time. Heck, I had some apt-get install / apt-get purge cycles with Network Manager cause for some time it didn´t work either. In the meanwhile Network Manager works just nice for me, since version 0.9 of it. I still hope that either a future version of Pulseaudio will work for me or KDE will continue to not require it.) Is this a rant? Yes it is. But at least I stated what my concrete issues were. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201302042155.16233.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:13:30 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:36:34AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Pure ALSA works fine if you only need one sound at a time and don't need/want stuff like per source volume, and don't mind Flash sometimes messing up and blocking all access to the sound card. I think you are speaking about OSS here, not about alsa. Alsa is able to play more than one soud/music at a time without problem: I can perfectly play wesnoth with sound+music and have mpd running background. (of course, I usually disable wesnoth's music, but not it's sounds) Nope, I am talking about ALSA. ALSA can only play more than one source at a time with its dmix utility (ALSA itself is fundamentally unable to do mixing) , but I have never, ever seen dmix work at all. Actually, that depends on the hardware. If your hardware can do hardware mixing (I know of at least one SoundBlaster that can, but I can't remember which model at the moment), then you can play simultaneous streams. But for most cards, you have to rely on software mixing (dmix, pulse, jack etc). Ah, you a right, I had forgotten. But most consumer cards don't (Xonar don't, for example...higher end Creatives do, but I personally wouldn't go Creative for that), and I don't know if any onboard chips do. My ThinkPad T61's onboard 82801H Intel HD audio mixes audio perfectly out of the box (I'm using raw ALSA). Cheers, Kelly Clowers Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130204154036.40304ad6.cele...@gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: My ThinkPad T61's onboard 82801H Intel HD audio mixes audio perfectly out of the box (I'm using raw ALSA). Really? For sure no dmix - it is supposed to be out of the box nowadays? I guess that is what I get for not having fully tested out my T61 yet. Huh, hard to tell for sure but looks like the ALC883 does have hardware mixing and multiple DACs. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=_z7gwr3qrbpa+knvabdpwllibbdcd8nsptp9jlrdk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: PulseAudio--is there a viable alternative?
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 06:34:24AM CET, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com said: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: My ThinkPad T61's onboard 82801H Intel HD audio mixes audio perfectly out of the box (I'm using raw ALSA). Really? For sure no dmix - it is supposed to be out of the box nowadays? I guess that is what I get for not having fully tested out my T61 yet. Huh, hard to tell for sure but looks like the ALC883 does have hardware mixing and multiple DACs. Cheers, Kelly Clowers Same thing on my T530 or on the HP desktop I have at work, both with intergrated Intel audio chip. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130205063906.ga3...@rail.eu.org
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The Sunday 03 February 2013 15:28:35, Carl Fink wrote : So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? You are hyjacking a thrad, so audio will be turn off, and you may not get an answer!! Please start a new thread for a new help demand Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201302031559.14978.tchate...@free.fr
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Le 03.02.2013 15:28, Carl Fink a écrit : So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! I do not understand... for which use alsa does not work? It works perfectly here... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e4dd66a47d037b436a10304af191c...@neutralite.org
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On 02/03/13 08:28, Carl Fink wrote: So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? Just get rid of PA (Unless you're using GNOME 3) and just use ALSA barebones (Or through your DE's audio library or daemon.). Despite Lennart's claims to the contrary, ALSA works great without sound daemons telling it what to do. My experience is that PA causes more problems than it actually solves. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510e8e8d.8010...@marupa.net
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Le 03.02.2013 17:21, Yaro Kasear a écrit : On 02/03/13 08:28, Carl Fink wrote: So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? Just get rid of PA (Unless you're using GNOME 3) and just use ALSA barebones (Or through your DE's audio library or daemon.). Despite Lennart's claims to the contrary, ALSA works great without sound daemons telling it what to do. My experience is that PA causes more problems than it actually solves. Heh! You are wrong! And I will say you why: because you can solve any problem by adding a level of indirection. Including the problem of having no problem ;) Yes, I know, I am already out of here :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d4eaa92ed50cf29b30718288dca7c...@neutralite.org
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Le 03.02.2013 17:21, Yaro Kasear a écrit : On 02/03/13 08:28, Carl Fink wrote: So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? I personally use Alsa only and remove all the pulseaudio packages that I can. Just because pulseaudio makes things very bad with jack, for example. The big problem with this is that more and more programs tend to use pulseaudio (Gnome, Kdevelop, other kde apps, VLC, ...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510ece94.2000...@free.fr
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On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 05:11:15PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 03.02.2013 15:28, Carl Fink a écrit : So PulseAudio continues to be buggy to the point of infuriation. Developers, after years of work, have signally failed to fix it. Is eSound still usable? Mabye ALSA? Anything? -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! I do not understand... for which use alsa does not work? It works perfectly here... He is not saying ALSA doesn't work for him. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130204044846.GC28104@tal
