Re: Re: Re: Re: Building computer
On 09/28/2013 04:04 AM, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Sep27:2054+0530, Balamurugan wrote: On 09/27/2013 04:08 PM, David L. Craig wrote: Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. Hi David, Till last month, I have installed close to 10 installations of GNU/Linux OS as dual boot with Windows OS(XP and Windows 7). This particular Lenova Laptop which had Windows 8 installed in UEFI mode had issues in installing Ubuntu. When I try to insert the Ubuntu (12.04 LTS) in USB boot stick, it is not even recognizing the OS. The machine detects Ubuntu only when I turned off UEFI to Legacy mode. In the same time, I purchased my own laptop (Dell vostro 2420) which was pre-installed with Ubuntu. When I checked that, it was turned to Legacy boot by default. Also as per the technical journals I read, GNU/Linux don't have their own UEFI authorizing keys. Can you please correct me with some more details, If I am wrong. I am at a disadvantage because I relinquished the laptop about a month ago to be returned to Lenovo for warranty repair and the memory is somewhat dim. The BIOS was configured for Legacy boot. I enabled USB booting in the BIOS as needed and kept it normally unenabled. I installed Linux Mint XFCE into a hard drive partition. I discovered the main power button will always boot up Win8 in UEFI mode but the smaller power buttona, designed for the Lenovo One-Key recovery facility, brings up a boot menu that includes the hard drive partitions and USB drives if such are configured as bootable. I hope this is helpful. Hi David, What you have said is correct. I also followed the same method you followed. The problem here is, we need to change the bios setting every time to toggle between Windows 8 and Ubuntu. Ubuntu starts in Legacy and Windows 8 starts in UEFI boot mode. I was thinking whether there is any procedure to dual boot Ubuntu with Windows 8 in the same UEFI boot mode itself but unfortunately I haven't figured it out. Thank you for your details :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52467b63.8080...@gmail.com
Re: Re: Building computer
On 13Sep26:2109-0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but only to the Windows Boot Manager. Even with Secure Boot turned off. It looks like you ran into the MS Window 8 Restricted Boot problem. http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. Building my own system is not new to me, but something I have not done for 10 years or so, so the appropriate BIOS settings on the new EFI and UEFI mobos are unknown to me. All advice is solicited. Check the dates on these older postings (time flies and the best hardware moves along) but here are two references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg01189.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00180.html Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. Please don't top post. And please don't conflate the fact that you couldn't install Ubuntu on a Lenovo with UEFI with the fact that it cannot be done. I've just installed Ubuntu on a Lenovo and it's the seventh such install on UEFI laptops. The FSF usually stakes out extreme positions. Some debunking of Secure Boot myths by the (main) developer of the Secure Boot shim: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/10971.html Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927103829.ga4...@dlc-dt.home
Re: Re: Re: Building computer
On 09/27/2013 04:08 PM, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Sep26:2109-0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but only to the Windows Boot Manager. Even with Secure Boot turned off. It looks like you ran into the MS Window 8 Restricted Boot problem. http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. Building my own system is not new to me, but something I have not done for 10 years or so, so the appropriate BIOS settings on the new EFI and UEFI mobos are unknown to me. All advice is solicited. Check the dates on these older postings (time flies and the best hardware moves along) but here are two references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg01189.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00180.html Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. Please don't top post. And please don't conflate the fact that you couldn't install Ubuntu on a Lenovo with UEFI with the fact that it cannot be done. I've just installed Ubuntu on a Lenovo and it's the seventh such install on UEFI laptops. The FSF usually stakes out extreme positions. Some debunking of Secure Boot myths by the (main) developer of the Secure Boot shim: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/10971.html Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. Hi David, Till last month, I have installed close to 10 installations of GNU/Linux OS as dual boot with Windows OS(XP and Windows 7). This particular Lenova Laptop which had Windows 8 installed in UEFI mode had issues in installing Ubuntu. When I try to insert the Ubuntu (12.04 LTS) in USB boot stick, it is not even recognizing the OS. The machine detects Ubuntu only when I turned off UEFI to Legacy mode. In the same time, I purchased my own laptop (Dell vostro 2420) which was pre-installed with Ubuntu. When I checked that, it was turned to Legacy boot by default. Also as per the technical journals I read, GNU/Linux don't have their own UEFI authorizing keys. Can you please correct me with some more details, If I am wrong. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5245a330.7090...@gmail.com
Re: Re: Building computer
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM, David L. Craig dlc@gmail.com wrote: On 13Sep26:2109-0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but only to the Windows Boot Manager. Even with Secure Boot turned off. It looks like you ran into the MS Window 8 Restricted Boot problem. http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. Building my own system is not new to me, but something I have not done for 10 years or so, so the appropriate BIOS settings on the new EFI and UEFI mobos are unknown to me. All advice is solicited. Check the dates on these older postings (time flies and the best hardware moves along) but here are two references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg01189.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00180.html Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. Please don't top post. And please don't conflate the fact that you couldn't install Ubuntu on a Lenovo with UEFI with the fact that it cannot be done. I've just installed Ubuntu on a Lenovo and it's the seventh such install on UEFI laptops. The FSF usually stakes out extreme positions. Some debunking of Secure Boot myths by the (main) developer of the Secure Boot shim: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/10971.html Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. I have no idea what Your fact is not means but I've just checked my Y510P and it has an alternative power button (a Novo button in Lenovo-speak) on the left side of laptop and when you use it you boot to a screen that allows you to choose between accessing the UEFI firmware setup and the UEFI boot manager as well as resetting the laptop's Windows installation. I'll hopefully remember about this the next time that I set up a Lenovo... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swxzjnliaxdufresx+6mbmlf2f_hsxtyrxrqwwgbqd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re: Re: Building computer
On 13Sep27:2054+0530, Balamurugan wrote: On 09/27/2013 04:08 PM, David L. Craig wrote: Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the right of the large power button, which ignores Legacy. Perhaps other Lenovo laptops are not so equipped but the G500 is. Hi David, Till last month, I have installed close to 10 installations of GNU/Linux OS as dual boot with Windows OS(XP and Windows 7). This particular Lenova Laptop which had Windows 8 installed in UEFI mode had issues in installing Ubuntu. When I try to insert the Ubuntu (12.04 LTS) in USB boot stick, it is not even recognizing the OS. The machine detects Ubuntu only when I turned off UEFI to Legacy mode. In the same time, I purchased my own laptop (Dell vostro 2420) which was pre-installed with Ubuntu. When I checked that, it was turned to Legacy boot by default. Also as per the technical journals I read, GNU/Linux don't have their own UEFI authorizing keys. Can you please correct me with some more details, If I am wrong. I am at a disadvantage because I relinquished the laptop about a month ago to be returned to Lenovo for warranty repair and the memory is somewhat dim. The BIOS was configured for Legacy boot. I enabled USB booting in the BIOS as needed and kept it normally unenabled. I installed Linux Mint XFCE into a hard drive partition. I discovered the main power button will always boot up Win8 in UEFI mode but the smaller power buttona, designed for the Lenovo One-Key recovery facility, brings up a boot menu that includes the hard drive partitions and USB drives if such are configured as bootable. I hope this is helpful. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927223435.ga3...@dlc-dt.home
Re: Re: Building computer
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Balamurugan emailstorb...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but only to the Windows Boot Manager. Even with Secure Boot turned off. It looks like you ran into the MS Window 8 Restricted Boot problem. http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. Building my own system is not new to me, but something I have not done for 10 years or so, so the appropriate BIOS settings on the new EFI and UEFI mobos are unknown to me. All advice is solicited. Check the dates on these older postings (time flies and the best hardware moves along) but here are two references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg01189.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00180.html Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. Please don't top post. And please don't conflate the fact that you couldn't install Ubuntu on a Lenovo with UEFI with the fact that it cannot be done. I've just installed Ubuntu on a Lenovo and it's the seventh such install on UEFI laptops. The FSF usually stakes out extreme positions. Some debunking of Secure Boot myths by the (main) developer of the Secure Boot shim: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/10971.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SwNQ9xHL6iirJeawgKXePh=a5zxvfv_ioe+rku...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re: Building computer
On 13Sep25:0800+0530, Balamurugan wrote: Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. I was able to get my Lenovo G500 laptop dual-booting after reconfiguring the BIOS to Legacy by powering up with the smaller power button to the right instead of the main power button, which brings up a boot loader dialog enabling both Win8 and Grub. It's been undergoing warranty repair at Austin, Texas for the past couple weeks so far (the F1 keycap latching mechanism was broken in the box--the 5-cent part HAS to be repaired at the factory-authorized facility to maintain the warranty!) so I can't be entirely certain I'm remembering this right. To be fair, it's been a couple weeks since I surrendered it to my boss to ship it for service--it may still be in his custody for all I know. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130925082227.ga15...@dlc-dt.home
Re: Re: Building computer
OT: On Wed, 2013-09-25 at 04:22 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: warranty Depending to the seal there are different tricks to keep warranty. Sometimes, if a seal is above a screw keeping a seal, but tear up the screw by force does work. For some seals, that don't have visible breakings, it's possible to use a hairdryer to partly loosen the seal. This shouldn't violate warranty, at least not in Germany, since it's the vendors fault if a screw under a seal is not correctly looked in and if a seal is partly loosen it's their fault too. It's just important not to damage available, visible screws, that aren't covered by a seal. IOW, a black screw shouldn't get metallic scratches by using the wrong screwdriver. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1380098396.778.90.camel@archlinux
Re: Re: Building computer
Hi Catherine Gramze, Recently one of my friend's brother bought a Lenova laptop. My friend asked me to install Ubuntu in that laptop but that machine was not detecting Ubuntu and directly booting into Windows 8. Then after bit of struggle, we went into the bios and changed the boot mode from 'UEFI' mode to 'Legacy' mode. Since we were installing by pen drive, we changed the boot order also. After the above steps, it detected Ubuntu and we finally installed Ubuntu along with Windows (as dual boot). The problem starts now. We were not able to boot windows from the Ubuntu grub menu boot entry. If we want to boot Windows 8, we need to change back the boot entry to UEFI mode in the bios and then only Windows boots from Windows boot manager. The reason behind this is Windows 8 is been made to boot only in UEFI mode and hence the OEM vendors (like Lenova) are configuring their machines accordingly. They don't mind/care about other free software OS. Just before this instance, I bought a laptop prebuild with Ubuntu (DELL vostro 2420). It doesn't had these circus as it was shipped with Ubuntu. I thought of sharing this details with you and our fellow community. The link 'http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot' shared by Bob gives you some insight on this restricted booting. Regards, Balamurugan R On 09/25/2013 04:59 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: I intend to build a computer for the specific purpose of running Debian. I have had a bad experience with a store-bought computer, which seemed to be wholly unable to boot to anything but Windows 8 - there was no option in the BIOS to boot to the hard drive, or even to the EFI partition, but only to the Windows Boot Manager. Even with Secure Boot turned off. It looks like you ran into the MS Window 8 Restricted Boot problem. http://www.fsf.org/search?SearchableText=secure+boot So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. Building my own system is not new to me, but something I have not done for 10 years or so, so the appropriate BIOS settings on the new EFI and UEFI mobos are unknown to me. All advice is solicited. Check the dates on these older postings (time flies and the best hardware moves along) but here are two references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/10/msg01189.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00180.html Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52424ac9.8080...@gmail.com
