Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 04:35:18PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20100326_164643, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-26 16:31, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. Googling indicates this is a known issue, but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. Help, please. What help can we offer you, when upstream decides to remove a feature? So, that's the situation. What are the alternatives to monkey see - monkey click? Don't use GNOME for a start. -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328135534.gg21...@fischer
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 04:46:59PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20100326_151046, Freeman wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:31:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. I've got it on an up-to-date installation of squeeze/Gnome, kernel 2.6.32-3 . Check Preferences Main Menu and insure it is checked. Googling indicates this is a known issue, Specifics? Question on help sites dating back to 2008 with no answers. What happened to Removable Devices... sort of thing. The problem was that there was nothing specific, only questions on the topic. but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. There is a lot of competition for interesting in testing. It is, after all, a release still under development. The assurances are in stable. Help, please. I'd rather just confer. Fine. Talking to a trouble person can be a great help. Do you even need it? Do these things not show up in Nautilus? I don't know Nautilus. What does it do? Maybe that is the answer. I'll look. I have trouble with non-descriptive names. But OK. Here I go. ... # aptitude install gnome-volume-manager This was mentioned in perhaps half the questions as perhaps being where the fault lay. Food for thought. The menu item under preference is the gnome-volume-properties command (right click for properties on the item as listed in Preferences Main Menu) which is a part of the gnome-volume-manager package (http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contentskeywords=gnome-volume-propertiesmode=filenamesuite=testingarch=any). So at the console: $ gnome-volume-properties Should get you the dialog. If it does, back to checking your menu configuration, Preferences Main Menu. If it doesn't, there is no similar bug report (which means it really isn't a known issue in Debian). Ergo, if you are sure you have installed gnome-volume-manager, $ su -c aptitude reinstall gnome-volume-manager If that doesn't work, check your configs in aptitude to make sure it is handling dependencies correctly and/or drill down through the gnome-volume-manager listing in aptitude looking for dependency problems and/or looking for suggested and recommended packages that seem important. If all looks well in aptitude. And $ whereis gnome-volume-manager returns something like |free...@europa:~$ whereis gnome-volume-manager |gnome-volume-manager: /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager |/usr/share/gnome-volume-manager |/ /usr/share/man/man1/gnome-volume-manager.1.gz |[1]+ Donegnome-volume-properties |free...@europa:~$ and it won't run from the console or appear on the menu, then-- **this is your opportunity** as a testing user, a tester, to give something back to Debian by duly filing a bug report. Have at it! There is no time to loose!! The push is on to get RCbugs down to a managable number before the big squeeze freeze. (300 RCbugs is the working target. See link below sig.) Good luck. -- Kind Regards, Freeman http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100327074709.ga9...@europa.office
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:06:58 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
If fstab's 6th column is 0, the mount count is not checked.
Of course, yes! I forgot about that. In the environment that I work in,
dynamic mounts of disk partitions are rare. They are almost always
mounted at boot time due to an entry in /etc/fstab. And that is where
the mount count is checked, due to a non-zero value in the sixth column,
and if it exceeds the filesystem-specified maximum, a check is forced
at that time. But if all mounts are dynamic, a check is never forced!
I checked the mount options to see if a mount option could force a check,
but the closest I came was
check={none,nocheck}
No checking is done at mount time. This is the default.
This is fast. It is wise to invoke e2fsck(8) every now and
then, e.g. at boot time.
(This is from man mount.)
Unfortunately, since none and nocheck appear to be the only valid
sub-options for the check option, and since it is the default, there
does not appear to be any way to override it. Maybe there is an
undocumented option, like check=whendue, or something like that, that
can be set with tune2fs, but barring that I can't think of a way to
force a check when a check is due, other than mounting it at boot time
via /etc/fstab and specifying a non-zero value in the sixth column.
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Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Sat,27.Mar.10, 08:52:56, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:06:58 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote:
If fstab's 6th column is 0, the mount count is not checked.
Of course, yes! I forgot about that. In the environment that I work in,
dynamic mounts of disk partitions are rare. They are almost always
mounted at boot time due to an entry in /etc/fstab. And that is where
the mount count is checked, due to a non-zero value in the sixth column,
and if it exceeds the filesystem-specified maximum, a check is forced
at that time. But if all mounts are dynamic, a check is never forced!
I checked the mount options to see if a mount option could force a check,
but the closest I came was
check={none,nocheck}
No checking is done at mount time. This is the default.
This is fast. It is wise to invoke e2fsck(8) every now and
then, e.g. at boot time.
(This is from man mount.)
Unfortunately, since none and nocheck appear to be the only valid
sub-options for the check option, and since it is the default, there
does not appear to be any way to override it. Maybe there is an
undocumented option, like check=whendue, or something like that, that
can be set with tune2fs, but barring that I can't think of a way to
force a check when a check is due, other than mounting it at boot time
via /etc/fstab and specifying a non-zero value in the sixth column.
But the actual check is done by *.fsck, which is not invoked by mount,
but by the initscript that invokes mount (if everything is ok). I wonder
if mount even contains the code to do filesystem checking at all[1].
What I'm trying to say is that this problem is not solvable at the
kernel/mount level, but by the userland tools doing the actual mount.
[1] I doubt it since it would have to include code for every mountable
filesystem, and this goes against the do one thing and do it well
philosophy.
Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:57:08 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote: But the actual check is done by *.fsck, which is not invoked by mount, but by the initscript that invokes mount (if everything is ok). I wonder if mount even contains the code to do filesystem checking at all[1]. What I'm trying to say is that this problem is not solvable at the kernel/mount level, but by the userland tools doing the actual mount. It would appear so. -- .''`. Stephen Powellzlinux...@wowway.com : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1391122348.22050741269712943220.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 2010-03-26 16:31, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. Googling indicates this is a known issue, but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. Help, please. What help can we offer you, when upstream decides to remove a feature? -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. Dwight Eisenhower -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bad2b43.1070...@cox.net
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:31:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. I've got it on an up-to-date installation of squeeze/Gnome, kernel 2.6.32-3 . Check Preferences Main Menu and insure it is checked. Googling indicates this is a known issue, Specifics? but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. There is a lot of competition for interesting in testing. It is, after all, a release still under development. The assurances are in stable. Help, please. I'd rather just confer. Do you even need it? Do these things not show up in Nautilus? # aptitude install gnome-volume-manager ? -- Kind Regards, Freeman http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100326221046.ga4...@europa.office
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 20100326_164643, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-26 16:31, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. Googling indicates this is a known issue, but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. Help, please. What help can we offer you, when upstream decides to remove a feature? So, that's the situation. What are the alternatives to monkey see - monkey click? I would like to be able to defer mounting of USB drives occasionally to do fsck on them. But I also like to have a mount point created in /media only when it is needed. (I don't remember ever having fsck run on a USB drive under Lenny, so maybe the problem has always been.) I guess the question now is what do people do about the reliability of plug-in disk storage? This question has always existed, but I'm just realizing I don't have an answer. Thoughts? Suggestions? -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100326223518.gf20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 20100326_151046, Freeman wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 03:31:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. I've got it on an up-to-date installation of squeeze/Gnome, kernel 2.6.32-3 . Check Preferences Main Menu and insure it is checked. Googling indicates this is a known issue, Specifics? Question on help sites dating back to 2008 with no answers. What happened to Removable Devices... sort of thing. The problem was that there was nothing specific, only questions on the topic. but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. There is a lot of competition for interesting in testing. It is, after all, a release still under development. The assurances are in stable. Help, please. I'd rather just confer. Fine. Talking to a trouble person can be a great help. Do you even need it? Do these things not show up in Nautilus? I don't know Nautilus. What does it do? Maybe that is the answer. I'll look. I have trouble with non-descriptive names. But OK. Here I go. ... # aptitude install gnome-volume-manager This was mentioned in perhaps half the questions as perhaps being where the fault lay. Food for thought. Thanks. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100326224659.gg20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 26.03.2010 22:31, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. Googling indicates this is a known issue, but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. In Sid/Squeeze, gnome-volume-manager no longer handles automounting of removable drives. That is directly managed within nautilus/gvfs nowadays. You can configure this settings in nautilus: Edit-Preferences-Media. See also the changelog of gnome-volume-manager. The main purpose of g-v-m in sid/squeeze remains to handle special cases like handling webcam plugin events and stuff. HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 20100327_003115, Michael Biebl wrote: On 26.03.2010 22:31, Paul E Condon wrote: I've been running Squeeze on my desktop computer for many weeks and just today noticed that Removable Drives and Media is not available in the Gnome Preferences menu. It is/was available in Lenny, but not Squeeze, at least not for me. Googling indicates this is a known issue, but seems to be ignored as being somehow uninteresting to GUI users, or something. I can't find anything that is Debian specific on this. In Sid/Squeeze, gnome-volume-manager no longer handles automounting of removable drives. That is directly managed within nautilus/gvfs nowadays. You can configure this settings in nautilus: Edit-Preferences-Media. See also the changelog of gnome-volume-manager. The main purpose of g-v-m in sid/squeeze remains to handle special cases like handling webcam plugin events and stuff. Was gvm ever involved in checking the number of times a volume has been mounted and running e2fsck as needed? What software is now (in squeeze) responsible for doing this check? -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100327002839.gh20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:28:40 -0400 (EDT), Paul E Condon wrote: Was gvm ever involved in checking the number of times a volume has been mounted and running e2fsck as needed? What software is now (in squeeze) responsible for doing this check? No, that is a property of the file system itself. -- .''`. Stephen Powellzlinux...@wowway.com : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1627563174.21961631269654119618.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 20100326_214159, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:28:40 -0400 (EDT), Paul E Condon wrote: Was gvm ever involved in checking the number of times a volume has been mounted and running e2fsck as needed? What software is now (in squeeze) responsible for doing this check? No, that is a property of the file system itself. I think that the fs does the incrementing of the count. But when the limit is reached, how is the execution of fsck started? What software does that? From what running daemon is the job spawned? I have several HD for which limit is set at under 30 but the actual count is over 50. How does that happen? I didn't do anything to force this situation. I just plugged and played. I'm suggesting that maybe there is a flaw in the design. Maybe something was left out of consideration --- maybe. OTOH, maybe I'm just unaware of some fact that is well known to the experts. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100327032351.gi20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
I started a run of e2fsck on one of my USB drives and got the following: r...@big:~# e2fsck /dev/sdb1 e2fsck 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010) WDP-5 has been mounted 58 times without being checked, check forced. Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Error reading block 119439482 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while getting next inode from scan. Ignore errory? I answered 'no' and the run aborted. I did this so that I could ask about this here. I suppose that the unreadable inode might be one that is not in use. In which case there is no harm in overwriting it in order to correct the error. OTOH, if it is in use there is no practical way to recover the subject file contents, so it is pointless to do anything but 'ignore'. Is this the situation? -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100327040225.gj20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
Was gvm ever involved in checking the number of times a volume has been mounted and running e2fsck as needed? What software is now (in squeeze) responsible for doing this check? No, that is a property of the file system itself. I think that the fs does the incrementing of the count. But when the limit is reached, how is the execution of fsck started? What software does that? From what running daemon is the job spawned? I have several HD for which limit is set at under 30 but the actual count is over 50. How does that happen? I didn't do anything to force this situation. I just plugged and played. I'm suggesting that maybe there is a flaw in the design. Maybe something was left out of consideration --- maybe. If fstab's 6th column is 0, the mount count is not checked. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6d4219cc1003262106x293e52cck3512c919c5c0b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
On 20100327_000658, Tom H wrote: Was gvm ever involved in checking the number of times a volume has been mounted and running e2fsck as needed? What software is now (in squeeze) responsible for doing this check? No, that is a property of the file system itself. I think that the fs does the incrementing of the count. But when the limit is reached, how is the execution of fsck started? What software does that? From what running daemon is the job spawned? I have several HD for which limit is set at under 30 but the actual count is over 50. How does that happen? I didn't do anything to force this situation. I just plugged and played. I'm suggesting that maybe there is a flaw in the design. Maybe something was left out of consideration --- maybe. If fstab's 6th column is 0, the mount count is not checked. For the USB drives in question, there is no entry in /etc/fstab. Assigning zero in cases where there is no entry in /etc/fstab is easy to implement, but --- I wonder if it is good design, given that the whole purpose of GUI interfaces is to make computing easy (and safe) for naive users. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100327042516.gk20...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Squeeze Gnome Preferences Removable Drives and Media
If fstab's 6th column is 0, the mount count is not checked. For the USB drives in question, there is no entry in /etc/fstab. Exactly! Since it is not in fstab, its mount count increments past the maximum mount count without an fsck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6d4219cc1003262221o2334d526p374bf4268a43c...@mail.gmail.com
