Re: Website creating software
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 08:41:54PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:55:34 +0530 Sridhar M.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: imaptool is one simple program to get the image maps. A more full featured program is kimagemapeditor. imaptool looks good, but it's kind of hard not being able to see where you've already defined image maps - how do you make sure you don't overlap or leave an area uncovered. I leave a gimp window open at all times for editing images anyway, plus I like their format better. Imaptool is not that feature rich as I mentioned. For quick and dirty, I think it is the best. Kimagemapeditor does whatever you have mentioned and puts a translucent 'layer' on the already marked areas. If one uses Quanta for site development, this program is integrated with it. Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 poverty, n.: An unfortunate state that persists as long as anyone lacks anything he would like to have. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Website creating software
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:12:21PM -0600 or thereabouts, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2004-06-11, S.D.A. penned: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:36:52AM -0600 or thereabouts, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Seriously, I don't like them myself, and I'm not overly fond of Flash personally, either -- But when a client requests a Flash enabled user interface (and many do), I provide it. 'Cause the next developer will, and I will lose probably a good paying client. I hear you, but serious warning flares go up for me when a client tries to specify implementation rather than functionality. If they know how best to implement it, what are they paying me for? They're paying me way too much to just hack up a design someone else envisioned. It's an old quandry. :) We're not simply hired as advisors -- Often it's for our expertise in manufacturing in a timely fashion, the clients vision. A prudent person, knows when it's time to put aside one's personal agenda. When working with mid to larger clients, they usually have done all the focus groups, and marketing tests. Therefore, they usually know exactly what works, what they want, and why. :) We, (company I work for), try not to be presumptious to assume we know what works with the clients userbase, and we in no way assume, that we're an Advertising Agency. The web developer, usually works under creative guidance, on large projects. -- Steve + Saturday Jun 12 2004 11:06:01 AM EDT + There's no heavier burden than a great potential. pgpoH9lGJ4MTd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Website creating software
On 2004-06-07, Nick Smith penned: there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and Playing devil's advocate here ... when is an imagemap the right solution? -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website creating software
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:36:52 -0600 Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2004-06-07, Nick Smith penned: there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and Playing devil's advocate here ... when is an imagemap the right solution? I was going to be a little easier; why not use GIMP to create the map? (Right click on an open image, Filters - Web - Image Map.) Seems like it follows the Unix philosophy better - a text editor for editing text, a mail filter for filtering mail, a mail reader for reading mail, an image editor for editing images... :-) Jacob -- GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 Random .signature #34: It's spelled Linux, but it's pronounced `Not Windows' It's spelled Windows, but it's pronounced `Ai!' pgpGATKvhbXvT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Website creating software
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:36:52AM -0600 or thereabouts, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2004-06-07, Nick Smith penned: there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and Playing devil's advocate here ... when is an imagemap the right solution? Probably when a client requests it. ;) Seriously, I don't like them myself, and I'm not overly fond of Flash personally, either -- But when a client requests a Flash enabled user interface (and many do), I provide it. 'Cause the next developer will, and I will lose probably a good paying client. -- Steve + Friday Jun 11 2004 03:31:01 PM EDT + If you didn't get caught, did you really do it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website creating software
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:08:49PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:36:52 -0600 Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2004-06-07, Nick Smith penned: there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and Playing devil's advocate here ... when is an imagemap the right solution? I was going to be a little easier; why not use GIMP to create the map? (Right click on an open image, Filters - Web - Image Map.) imaptool is one simple program to get the image maps. A more full featured program is kimagemapeditor. Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 We fight only when there is no other choice. We prefer the ways of peaceful contact. -- Kirk, Spectre of the Gun, stardate 4385.3 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Website creating software
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:55:34 +0530 Sridhar M.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:08:49PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:36:52 -0600 Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2004-06-07, Nick Smith penned: there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and Playing devil's advocate here ... when is an imagemap the right solution? I was going to be a little easier; why not use GIMP to create the map?(Right click on an open image, Filters - Web - Image Map.) imaptool is one simple program to get the image maps. A more full featured program is kimagemapeditor. imaptool looks good, but it's kind of hard not being able to see where you've already defined image maps - how do you make sure you don't overlap or leave an area uncovered. I leave a gimp window open at all times for editing images anyway, plus I like their format better. Jacob -- GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 Random .signature #55: Given enough time and money, eventually Microsoft will re-invent UNIX. pgpoJsMPvDgoG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Website creating software
On 2004-06-11, S.D.A. penned: On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:36:52AM -0600 or thereabouts, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2004-06-07, Nick Smith penned: there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and Playing devil's advocate here ... when is an imagemap the right solution? Probably when a client requests it. ;) Seriously, I don't like them myself, and I'm not overly fond of Flash personally, either -- But when a client requests a Flash enabled user interface (and many do), I provide it. 'Cause the next developer will, and I will lose probably a good paying client. I hear you, but serious warning flares go up for me when a client tries to specify implementation rather than functionality. If they know how best to implement it, what are they paying me for? They're paying me way too much to just hack up a design someone else envisioned. -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:14:47PM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:36:27AM -0400 or thereabouts, Nick Smith wrote: forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? i do respect the hand coding people out there, i too started coding with VI, but there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and get compatible with MX 2004 and for that matter photoshop CS. but i would be happy with just a dreamweaver alternative. which in my search i can find nothing that comes close to the power of dreamweaver. ps, im not knocking frontpage, i too have used it, but every page i have created or seen created with it just doesnt look as professional as compaired to what you can do with dreamweaver. most people go with front page because dreamweaver has a much higher learning curve, but once you master it you can do wonders. Drifting away from Linux Visual Editors... FrontPage 2003 is vastly superior to anything prior, in the FPage line. I'm definitely not a MSFT lover, but FP is closing the gap fast to DWMX. If I was doing any .NET web applications, I'd be using FrontPage 2003 before DWMX. The main problem with FrontPage and DWMX is that they tend to be very incompatible with anything other then explorer, especially when using dhtml and css, but also some features with regular html. A comparison chart of the major PC/Mac Visual Web Page Editors, can be found here; http://mvp.wiserways.com/2003/compare.htm -- Steve + Tuesday Jun 08 2004 10:01:01 PM EDT + Azh nazg durbatal^uk, azh nazg gimbatul, Azh nazg thrakatal^uk agh burzum ishi krimpatul! -- J. R. R. Tolkien
Re: Website creating software
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 08:00:51PM -0400, richard lyons wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 11:56, Micha Feigin wrote: [...] Doesn't mozilla also have an html editor? [...] Have you _read_ any html produced by Mozilla? I really do not think you can recommend anyone to go that route. I haven't really worked with mozilla, but I have read html produced by dreamweaver and it was a nightmare, and I wasn't even trying to make it work with mozilla, just to make it work ;-) -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Micha Feigin wrote: The main problem with FrontPage and DWMX is that they tend to be very incompatible with anything other then explorer, especially when using dhtml and css, but also some features with regular html. Eh? Work in Dreamweaver, test in Mozilla and Opera, no problems thus far. I don't even bother with IE. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Website creating software
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 07:47:08AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: The main problem with FrontPage and DWMX is that they tend to be very incompatible with anything other then explorer, especially when using dhtml and css, but also some features with regular html. Eh? Work in Dreamweaver, test in Mozilla and Opera, no problems thus far. I don't even bother with IE. I tried making a popup menu activated by hovering over an image map. Mozilla didn't even dream of trying to popup the menu. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website creating software
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:27:07PM +0300 or thereabouts, Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:14:47PM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: Drifting away from Linux Visual Editors... FrontPage 2003 is vastly superior to anything prior, in the FPage line. I'm definitely not a MSFT lover, but FP is closing the gap fast to DWMX. If I was doing any .NET web applications, I'd be using FrontPage 2003 before DWMX. The main problem with FrontPage and DWMX is that they tend to be very incompatible with anything other then explorer, especially when using dhtml and css, but also some features with regular html. I don't agree with this, (sorry). One could say that about FrontPage in the past, not really Dreamweaver, (in recent times). Modern HTML visual editors/IDEs like Dreamweaver/FPage, excel at standards compliant XHTML, HTML/DHTML (DHTML is bloated, but that's so the Javascript works in *all* browsers). It's always going to be faster to use an IDE to manage large complex sites, in workgroups, than it is going to be writing your own HTML in a text editor, and letting others use their own favourite editors, within the same group. That's where Dreamweaver/FrontPage show their advantages -- Rapid Deployment in an integrated environment. I'm not knocking those using Vi, Vi(m) or Emacs, they're probably experts at writing raw HTML. However, I have my doubts, that way, works in an efficient standardized workflow, within a workgroup, where others are using Visual IDE's -- In fact I know it wouldn't, as we've tried it. It would be nice to see NVU or any GNU web dev app, evolve into something as promising. For doing PHP, I simply love ZendStudio, but for doing the visual part of the page, I prefer Dreamweaver over anything -- simply because it's faster for yours truly to churn out pages in an efficient manner. -- Steve + Wednesday Jun 09 2004 11:36:01 AM EDT + Used staples are good with SOY SAUCE! pgpv6k1R8Dr5p.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, S.D.A. wrote: I'm not knocking those using Vi, Vi(m) or Emacs, they're probably experts at writing raw HTML. However, I have my doubts, that way, works in an efficient standardized workflow, within a workgroup, where others are using Visual IDE's -- In fact I know it wouldn't, as we've tried it. one has to enter the raw data some place ... - vi is good for etnering data into the db use # html.generate.pl to create all the web pages on the fly - and it'd create online forms too - and making global changes would be trivial ( like your company and address and ph# changes ) - use your fav programs ( perl, php, C ) to create web pages fast and efficiently html pages has to be created by automated programs ... if one wants to scale and if one wants to be able to do interactive pages c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:15:58AM -0700 or thereabouts, Alvin Oga wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, S.D.A. wrote: I'm not knocking those using Vi, Vi(m) or Emacs, they're probably experts at writing raw HTML. However, I have my doubts, that way, works in an efficient standardized workflow, within a workgroup, where others are using Visual IDE's -- In fact I know it wouldn't, as we've tried it. one has to enter the raw data some place ... - vi is good for etnering data into the db use # html.generate.pl to create all the web pages on the fly - and it'd create online forms too - and making global changes would be trivial ( like your company and address and ph# changes ) - use your fav programs ( perl, php, C ) to create web pages fast and efficiently html pages has to be created by automated programs ... if one wants to scale and if one wants to be able to do interactive pages Problem is, that many coders aren't very good designers, and what you're recommending, would create boilerplate looking webpages. Won't fly if you're developing for many clients. People tend to want original looking designs. Of course for creating forms, there's nothing like the pear class for doing so, and it's still nice, when doing CSS-P, for one to see what the layout looks like. A Visual editor is better suited when developing websites for a living, IMHO. Freelancers, can get away with using what they want. Working for a firm, most people, are going to be using a Visual Editor, and working in groups. So, Dreamweaver is the standard in that environment, and it is a pretty decent IDE. It's along the same line that professionals tend to use layout applications like Adobe InDesign or Quark Express, over TeX or LaTeX. The two aforementioned are industry standards, and tend to allow one to be more creative then using TeX to layout a catalogue or brochure (if you want your own design, rather than the one that script provides). Faster to... Still there are certain procedures, that one would like TeX in one's tool chest for. -- Steve + Wednesday Jun 09 2004 06:36:01 PM EDT + Mum's the word. -- Miguel de Cervantes pgpPMuVsiC5PA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Website creating software
On Monday 07 June 2004 17:36, Nick Smith hurled the following on the wire: Joost De Cock said: On Monday 07 June 2004 15:31, jack kinnon hurled the following on the wire: Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. [...] forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? i do respect the hand coding people out there, i too started coding with VI, but there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and get compatible with MX 2004 and for that matter photoshop CS. but i would be happy with just a dreamweaver alternative. which in my search i can find nothing that comes close to the power of dreamweaver. Well, thanks for the respect :) however, I do agree with the 'forget frontpage' part, but I don't agree with going the dreamweaver road. I used dreamweaver a lot a few years ago, I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I sure got past the steep part of the learning curve. It is indeed a very powerfull editor, but I think you'll agree (judging by your examples) that it's something you want to use when your building a nice looking flashy graphical website. I myself code webapplications in PHP, dynamic pages, database access, scripts,... you name it. When doing this sort of work, VI beats dreamweaver hands down. First of all, who needs all the bloat, but the better syntax highlighting, supreme indentation (a nightmare in Dreamweaver last time I checked), speed, and all the nifty shortcutes that make VI what it is just make it a nobrainer to go for VI. Furthermore, if I need a quick change, SSH to the webserver, load VI and tadaa. I guess it boils down to the 'right tool for the job' mantra. I do agree that only a graphical artist with a serious CLI twist would use VI for his work on websites. joost DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify A.S.T.R.I.D. nv/sa immediately and then delete this e-mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 07 June 2004 17:12, H. S. wrote: Apparently, _richard lyons_, on 06/07/04 04:37,typed: knowing or writing html -- a wysiwyg editor. Mozilla writes crap html. Could you expand on this issue? I have used Mozilla composer and apart from tweaking its code a bit (stuff related to CSS), I haven't had any major problmes. I would like to know its short comings so that I may consider changing over to ... quanta? or amaya? or something else. To be honest, it is a while since I used moz composer. So I don remember a lot. I recollect it sprinkles br tags all over the place, including before every /p. Also, working in wysiwig, you never know if it has used a sprinkling of brs or a new para, or some of each. It used to keep adding blank lines in the code too, so each time you switched from wysiwig to code view things were spaced out by one more line at the points it had decided to indicate a break. I recollect it was easy to get nestings twisted. -- There were a lot of other more structural issues, I think. As I say, it been a while and perhaps I should have kept quiet: maybe they've fixed it now. I quite liked quanta -- but had to remember to save often -- I expect that too is more stable by now. I've just looked at screem, suggested by someone else here. Looks good, so I shall be trying it next time. I don't suppose that is helpful in the least. -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:36:27AM -0400 or thereabouts, Nick Smith wrote: forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? i do respect the hand coding people out there, i too started coding with VI, but there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and get compatible with MX 2004 and for that matter photoshop CS. but i would be happy with just a dreamweaver alternative. which in my search i can find nothing that comes close to the power of dreamweaver. ps, im not knocking frontpage, i too have used it, but every page i have created or seen created with it just doesnt look as professional as compaired to what you can do with dreamweaver. most people go with front page because dreamweaver has a much higher learning curve, but once you master it you can do wonders. Drifting away from Linux Visual Editors... FrontPage 2003 is vastly superior to anything prior, in the FPage line. I'm definitely not a MSFT lover, but FP is closing the gap fast to DWMX. If I was doing any .NET web applications, I'd be using FrontPage 2003 before DWMX. A comparison chart of the major PC/Mac Visual Web Page Editors, can be found here; http://mvp.wiserways.com/2003/compare.htm -- Steve + Tuesday Jun 08 2004 10:01:01 PM EDT + Azh nazg durbatal^uk, azh nazg gimbatul, Azh nazg thrakatal^uk agh burzum ishi krimpatul! -- J. R. R. Tolkien pgpU94VEyqIZQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. Cheers __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 07 June 2004 15:31, jack kinnon hurled the following on the wire: Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. must-suppress-urge-to-mock-your-MSFrontpage-reference I've heard good things about Bluefish, but I've never used it, I code all my websites in VI. apt-get install bluefish will do the trick. joost DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify A.S.T.R.I.D. nv/sa immediately and then delete this e-mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 09:56, Joost De Cock wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 15:31, jack kinnon hurled the following on the wire: Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. must-suppress-urge-to-mock-your-MSFrontpage-reference I've heard good things about Bluefish, but I've never used it, I code all my websites in VI. apt-get install bluefish will do the trick. AGREED. Bluefish is very nice and friendly too. Future reference, put all commands on a separate line for clarity :) apt-get install bluefish Much easier to understand. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Website creating software
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 03:56:27PM +0200 or thereabouts, Joost De Cock wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 15:31, jack kinnon hurled the following on the wire: Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. must-suppress-urge-to-mock-your-MSFrontpage-reference I've heard good things about Bluefish, but I've never used it, I code all my websites in VI. apt-get install bluefish will do the trick. Bluefish is nice! Two fairly decent Linux visual editors are the QT app Quanta, and QuantaPLUS see the following URL (I call them visual because of the code hinting and built-in preview function; http://freshmeat.net/projects/quantaplus/ There is also the GTK editor, Screem, see; http://www.screem.org/screenshots.php -- Steve + Monday Jun 07 2004 11:11:01 AM EDT + Xavvy is that really knghtbrd? Knghtbrd No, I'm an EVIL IMPOSTOR! Knghtbrd An evil impostor who LIKES HYBRID! Xavvy haha Xavvy ok, it's him :P pgpzd4qogru2A.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Joost De Cock said: On Monday 07 June 2004 15:31, jack kinnon hurled the following on the wire: Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. must-suppress-urge-to-mock-your-MSFrontpage-reference I've heard good things about Bluefish, but I've never used it, I code all my websites in VI. apt-get install bluefish will do the trick. joost forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? i do respect the hand coding people out there, i too started coding with VI, but there is no way im going to design complex image maps or anything else with lengthy code by hand any more, too much chance for error and it takes way too long to do it. i wish wine would pick up the pace and get compatible with MX 2004 and for that matter photoshop CS. but i would be happy with just a dreamweaver alternative. which in my search i can find nothing that comes close to the power of dreamweaver. ps, im not knocking frontpage, i too have used it, but every page i have created or seen created with it just doesnt look as professional as compaired to what you can do with dreamweaver. most people go with front page because dreamweaver has a much higher learning curve, but once you master it you can do wonders. nick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 03:56:27PM +0200, Joost De Cock wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 15:31, jack kinnon hurled the following on the wire: Hi Thanks for the input. What I am referring to is something like the MS FrontPage, not just an ordinary editor. must-suppress-urge-to-mock-your-MSFrontpage-reference I've heard good things about Bluefish, but I've never used it, I code all my websites in VI. Doesn't mozilla also have an html editor? BTW I also use vi/emacs for web work, gives you much more control and you know exactly what is in there and where to fix things. apt-get install bluefish will do the trick. joost DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify A.S.T.R.I.D. nv/sa immediately and then delete this e-mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Micha Feigin wrote: BTW I also use vi/emacs for web work, gives you much more control and you know exactly what is in there and where to fix things. Ok, now it's getting thick around here. I love vim as much as the next guy but, at least in the case of Dreamweaver, you know exactly what's in there. They give WYSIWYG and code views. They have since the very first version. My only gripe is I wish the code view were a vim object. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Website creating software
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Nick Smith wrote: forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? You might want to check out N-View, see http://www.nvu.com/ for more info. Haven't use it myself though, I am just too fond of vim and more recently the Template Toolkit. Grx HdV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 07 June 2004 11:56, Micha Feigin wrote: [...] Doesn't mozilla also have an html editor? [...] Have you _read_ any html produced by Mozilla? I really do not think you can recommend anyone to go that route. -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Its better then frontpage output, even the newest version of it had html syntax errors. On 7 Jun 2004 at 20:00, richard lyons wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 11:56, Micha Feigin wrote: [...] Doesn't mozilla also have an html editor? [...] Have you _read_ any html produced by Mozilla? I really do not think you can recommend anyone to go that route. -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website creating software
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Nick Smith wrote: forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? You might want to check out N-View, see http://www.nvu.com/ for more info. Haven't use it myself though, I am just too fond of vim and more recently the Template Toolkit. Grx HdV wow that looks promising, hope they get that CSS update out soon i might try it. thanks for the link nick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Website creating software
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:31:23 +0200 (MEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to check out N-View, see http://www.nvu.com/ for more info. Haven't use it myself though, I am just too fond of vim and more recently the Template Toolkit. My understanding is that NVu is just Mozilla's editor plus some additional features. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpQYCLoA1uRE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Website creating software
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 00:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Nick Smith wrote: forget frontpage, what about a dreamweaver alternative? You might want to check out N-View, see http://www.nvu.com/ for more I gather NVu is simple Mozilla's Composer program by another name. Actually, composer seems quite good. Otherwise, I'd recommend Quanta :) -- Lee Braiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
