Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill
Thanks for the tips. I would really prefer to have all the packages in the CDs rather than downloading them as I don't have a broadband connection. It seems that Woody has them; hopefully, Woody will be a stable release soon. At 11:05 PM 26/11/2001 -0500, dman wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:43:33AM +0800, Gong Zeeng wrote: | Hi, | I had just installed Debian 2.2r4 and have the following queries: | 1. Netscape | I installed netscape-base through dselect but I can't run Navigator. It | seems that only some config files were installed but not the executable | itself. I did a search in dselect and the only package that comes close to | Netscape is the netscape-base. Doesn't Debian (I got the 3-disk download | version) come with any Netscape package? Yeah, but you don't want to use it, trust me. The package would be version 4.something which is really old. There are newer browsers that are better. I recommend using galeon or mozilla, and getting them from sid or woody respectively. If you really want netscape 4 that badly, then you can work your way through the (ugly) package names to find the one(s) you want. (Here's a hint : 'apt-cache search netscape | less') | 2. Sawmill | The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no problem | with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmaker. What | gives? Basically, when I switch from Enlightenment (or any window manager | for that matter) to sawmill, I still remain in Enlightenment. And if | sawmill is installed as the only window manager, X shows the infamous wire | mesh. Try installing sawmill as the only window manager, then when you run X (do so from a console) run a terminal and from there run sawmill. See if it works then, or see what errors you get in the terminal. In any case, sawmill is also outdated and I recommend getting sawfish (the new name, legal issues) from woody. I have version 0.38 installed right now (I think potato's sawmill is back at 0.20 or something) and I see that 1.0.1 is available. (This is weird, neither apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade want to upgrade sawfish, but apt-get install will) | 3. GPM freezes the mouse pointer in X | When I installed GPM, the mouse pointer just freezes in X. It's okay when | I uninstall GPM. I am using a PS/2 mouse. Right, when you install gpm you no longer have X configured right. What happens is that you have 2 processes both trying to read from the same file, and that is bad (it is a race condition and unpredictable as to what data will go to which process). If you want to have gpm installed you need to tell X to read from /dev/gpmdata instead of the device itself. You must also make sure that gpm's repeat-type is set to 'raw' and you use the same protocol for both gpm and X. I have this setup and it works great (my mouse uses 'imps2' in gpm and IMPS/2 in X). | 4. KDE support | Just wondering if Debian (future version) comes with KDE installation? I | still prefer KDE over GNOME. This probably depends on license issues, but since I like GNOME I really can't say. HTH, -D -- Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:43:33AM +0800, Gong Zeeng wrote: | Hi, | I had just installed Debian 2.2r4 and have the following queries: | 1. Netscape | I installed netscape-base through dselect but I can't run Navigator. It | seems that only some config files were installed but not the executable | itself. I did a search in dselect and the only package that comes close to | Netscape is the netscape-base. Doesn't Debian (I got the 3-disk download | version) come with any Netscape package? Yeah, but you don't want to use it, trust me. The package would be version 4.something which is really old. There are newer browsers that are better. I recommend using galeon or mozilla, and getting them from sid or woody respectively. If you really want netscape 4 that badly, then you can work your way through the (ugly) package names to find the one(s) you want. (Here's a hint : 'apt-cache search netscape | less') | 2. Sawmill | The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no problem | with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmaker. What | gives? Basically, when I switch from Enlightenment (or any window manager | for that matter) to sawmill, I still remain in Enlightenment. And if | sawmill is installed as the only window manager, X shows the infamous wire | mesh. Try installing sawmill as the only window manager, then when you run X (do so from a console) run a terminal and from there run sawmill. See if it works then, or see what errors you get in the terminal. In any case, sawmill is also outdated and I recommend getting sawfish (the new name, legal issues) from woody. I have version 0.38 installed right now (I think potato's sawmill is back at 0.20 or something) and I see that 1.0.1 is available. (This is weird, neither apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade want to upgrade sawfish, but apt-get install will) | 3. GPM freezes the mouse pointer in X | When I installed GPM, the mouse pointer just freezes in X. It's okay when | I uninstall GPM. I am using a PS/2 mouse. Right, when you install gpm you no longer have X configured right. What happens is that you have 2 processes both trying to read from the same file, and that is bad (it is a race condition and unpredictable as to what data will go to which process). If you want to have gpm installed you need to tell X to read from /dev/gpmdata instead of the device itself. You must also make sure that gpm's repeat-type is set to 'raw' and you use the same protocol for both gpm and X. I have this setup and it works great (my mouse uses 'imps2' in gpm and IMPS/2 in X). | 4. KDE support | Just wondering if Debian (future version) comes with KDE installation? I | still prefer KDE over GNOME. This probably depends on license issues, but since I like GNOME I really can't say. HTH, -D -- Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31
answered my own issue (was Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill)
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:05:34PM -0500, dman wrote: | any case, sawmill is also outdated and I recommend getting sawfish | (the new name, legal issues) from woody. I have version 0.38 | installed right now (I think potato's sawmill is back at 0.20 or | something) and I see that 1.0.1 is available. (This is weird, neither | apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade want to upgrade sawfish, but | apt-get install will) I figured this out : 'apt-cache policy sawfish' told me that I have version 0.38-6 installed, but 'dpkg -l sawfish' says rc -- I want it removed but config is still on my system. If I try and install sawfish, apt will remove sawfish-gnome. sawfish-gnome is at version 1.0.1, as it should be. IOW, the problem was (mostly) PEBCAK (though 'apt-cache policy' could use some improvement). -D -- For society, it's probably a good thing that engineers value function over appearance. For example, you wouldn't want engineers to build nuclear power plants that only _look_ like they would keep all the radiation inside. (Scott Adams - The Dilbert principle)
Re: Where is Netscape? Problem with Sawmill
Gong Zeeng [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I had just installed Debian 2.2r4 and have the following queries: 1. Netscape I installed netscape-base through dselect but I can't run Navigator. It seems that only some config files were installed but not the executable itself. I did a search in dselect and the only package that comes close to Netscape is the netscape-base. Doesn't Debian (I got the 3-disk download version) come with any Netscape package? Maybe not, because netscape is non-free. I don't think the 6-cd Potato set I got had netscape. Besides, you don't wanna use netscape anyway. It sucks. :) 2. Sawmill The sawmill window manager doesn't seem to work. But I have no problem with the other window manager like Enlightenment and Wmaker. What gives? Basically, when I switch from Enlightenment (or any window manager for that matter) to sawmill, I still remain in Enlightenment. And if sawmill is installed as the only window manager, X shows the infamous wire mesh. 3. GPM freezes the mouse pointer in X When I installed GPM, the mouse pointer just freezes in X. It's okay when I uninstall GPM. I am using a PS/2 mouse. You need to make gpm repeat raw mouse input, and then read that from /dev/gpmdata if your XF86Config. 4. KDE support Just wondering if Debian (future version) comes with KDE installation? I still prefer KDE over GNOME. If, by installation, you mean KDE packages will come with the distribution, then yes. They're in Woody (testing). -- Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bignachos.com
