Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 08/19/2011 02:46 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:


I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and it
wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please help.
I really want this os system and have heard great things about it.


You can try to install from an USB device.

Greetings,



For purposes of the discussion.

This week I tried using AMD64 and i386 businesscard installations from 
USB flash drives to install Debian testing on two different systems. I 
used builds from both 08/15 and 08/17 -- all of them verified with 
SHA512. These builds all failed to install -- giving me verification 
errors with several different mirrors, including the main US one. (All 
of the d-i steps up until the step immediately after choosing the mirror 
worked perfectly.)


Those same images burned to CD-R gave me perfect installations on both 
machines.


This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid 
images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of 
preparation, namely


# dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX

wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may 
fail, too.


Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written 
to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just 
needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.


I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words 
wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word 
finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the 
disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect 
CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the 
mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install 
from a usb device.



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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:03:18 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 On 08/19/2011 02:46 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:

 I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and
 it wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please
 help. I really want this os system and have heard great things about
 it.

 You can try to install from an USB device.

 For purposes of the discussion.
 
 This week I tried using AMD64 and i386 businesscard installations from
 USB flash drives to install Debian testing on two different systems. I
 used builds from both 08/15 and 08/17 -- all of them verified with
 SHA512. These builds all failed to install -- giving me verification
 errors with several different mirrors, including the main US one. (All
 of the d-i steps up until the step immediately after choosing the mirror
 worked perfectly.)
 
 Those same images burned to CD-R gave me perfect installations on both
 machines.
 
 This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid
 images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of
 preparation, namely
 
 # dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX
 
 wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may
 fail, too.

Installer manual puts another one-liner:

4.3.1. Copying the files — the easy wa
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#usb-copy-easy

Anyway, if you experienced an error when installing from whatever source, 
you can jump to console logging to check what's happening.

 Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written
 to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just
 needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.

I think that's irrelevant for the installer. You waste a DVD but that's 
all :-)
 
 I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words
 wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word
 finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the
 disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect
 CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the
 mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install
 from a usb device.

The first time I installed lenny the installer gave me media reading 
errors and media not found messages, randomly... not sure why. I had 
to insist (retry) in some steps in order to get the system installed.

Greetings,

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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 08/20/2011 12:19 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:03:18 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

...

This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid
images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of
preparation, namely

# dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX

wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may
fail, too.


Installer manual puts another one-liner:

4.3.1. Copying the files — the easy wa
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#usb-copy-easy

Anyway, if you experienced an error when installing from whatever source,
you can jump to console logging to check what's happening.

...
Thank you very much for that link. I'll study that, though I got the 
other prep method from the site of a guy who was involved in setting up 
the use of the hybrid images for these images. You've given me some 
homework to do. I can't think why the different method of preparation 
would result in authentication errors with the mirror, when the same 
image works perfectly when run from CD.

...

Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written
to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just
needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.


I think that's irrelevant for the installer. You waste a DVD but that's
all :-)

...
I'm certain that you're right, but I was so weirded out by the images 
suddenly not working from a usb stick any more that I was wondering if 
something magical was happening. (I've used hybrid images prepared the 
same way a dozen times before, and they had always worked for me -- 
right up up until this week.)

...

I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words
wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word
finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the
disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect
CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the
mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install
from a usb device.


The first time I installed lenny the installer gave me media reading
errors and media not found messages, randomly... not sure why. I had
to insist (retry) in some steps in order to get the system installed.

Greetings,

...
Interesting. Thanks for your insights. Useful as always.

Regards,
Gilbert


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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:32:07 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 Thank you very much for that link. I'll study that, though I got the
 other prep method from the site of a guy who was involved in setting up
 the use of the hybrid images for these images. You've given me some
 homework to do. I can't think why the different method of preparation
 would result in authentication errors with the mirror, when the same
 image works perfectly when run from CD. ...

I don't really think the method used for getting the installer into the 
USB flash key has nothing to do for the errors you mentioned. In fact, I 
think the above errors are neither related to the USB image itself. 
Installer logs will tell where the errors come from.

 Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was
 written to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image
 just needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to
 work.

 I think that's irrelevant for the installer. You waste a DVD but that's
 all :-)

 I'm certain that you're right, but I was so weirded out by the images
 suddenly not working from a usb stick any more that I was wondering if
 something magical was happening. (I've used hybrid images prepared the
 same way a dozen times before, and they had always worked for me --
 right up up until this week.)

The testing installer image may be suffering from specific bugs/problems, 
you can try with daily or weekly images or even with unstable installer 
to avoid any glicth.

Greetings,

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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Walter Hurry
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:03:18 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 On 08/19/2011 02:46 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:

 I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and
 it wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please
 help. I really want this os system and have heard great things about
 it.

 You can try to install from an USB device.

 Greetings,


 For purposes of the discussion.
 
 This week I tried using AMD64 and i386 businesscard installations from
 USB flash drives to install Debian testing on two different systems. I
 used builds from both 08/15 and 08/17 -- all of them verified with
 SHA512. These builds all failed to install -- giving me verification
 errors with several different mirrors, including the main US one. (All
 of the d-i steps up until the step immediately after choosing the mirror
 worked perfectly.)
 
 Those same images burned to CD-R gave me perfect installations on both
 machines.
 
 This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid
 images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of
 preparation, namely
 
 # dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX
 
 wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may
 fail, too.
 
 Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written
 to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just
 needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.
 
 I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words
 wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word
 finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the
 disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect
 CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the
 mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install
 from a usb device.

I haven't done Wheezy, but I've done Squeeze from a netinst download. I 
used unetbootin to put it onto a USB and it worked flawlessly.



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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 08/20/2011 02:30 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:


I haven't done Wheezy, but I've done Squeeze from a netinst download. I
used unetbootin to put it onto a USB and it worked flawlessly.



Yes, I've used unetbootin before. I had heard that unetbootin isn't 
working right now. No idea how true that is. I switched to the other 
method before I heard the rumors.




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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-19 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:

 I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and it
 wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please help.
 I really want this os system and have heard great things about it.

You can try to install from an USB device.

Greetings,

-- 
Camaleón


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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-18 Thread Gabor Kum
2011. augusztus 17. 13:28:44 dátummal Scott Reagan az alábbiakat írta:
 I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and it
 wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please help. I
 really want this os system and have heard great things about it.

The Debian installer starts?

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www.kumgabor.hu


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