Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 09 June 2016 18:05:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Thursday 09 June 2016 23:01:16 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >  org.kde.kcalc-6112
>
> Probably absolutely irrelevant - but why have you got kde-anything?? 
> (For general info, Gene is running TDE 14, not kde.)
>
> Lisi

That particular kcalc is an older kcalc, with a bit field display of the 
result, rather handy when designing an IO port address decoder on a 
smaller (16 bit) machine.

I think it was discussed on the tde list when I was asking who neutered 
the current version, so I have the two versions installed in different 
paths, and they seem to co-exist quite peacefully.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 09 June 2016 23:01:16 Gene Heskett wrote:
>  org.kde.kcalc-6112

Probably absolutely irrelevant - but why have you got kde-anything??  (For 
general info, Gene is running TDE 14, not kde.)

Lisi

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 09 June 2016 16:33:45 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote on 06/09/16 17:59:
> > On Thursday 09 June 2016 05:39:08 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> >> Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)
> >>
> >> The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the
> >> wheezy-backports i386 target release which is set to priority 100.
> >> These priorities are normally set in /etc/apt/preferences. What is
> >> the contents of this file on your system?
> >
> > I don't have a file there, I have a preferences.d, and its empty.
> >
> >> The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the
> >> dependencies explicitly in the apt-get command:
> >>
> >>apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> >> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> >
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Suggested packages:
> >   qt4-doc-html
> > Recommended packages:
> >   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> > 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> > Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst qt4-dev-tools
> > (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst python-pivy
> > [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst freecad
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [all]) Conf libsoqt4-20
> > (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf python-pivy
> > (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf freecad-doc
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
> >
> > Which is as far as I got since the needed updated version of
> > python-pivy isn't available even from sloppy, and neither is the
> > newer version of libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1
>
> 
> Ah, the above command line has the "-s" switch for "simulate". Did you
> really try to perform the installation?
>
>   apt-get -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
>
> (in one command line).

No, and at the instant I have a far bigger problem.  The qdbus update 
that was pulled sometime in the last couple days is BUSTED. I didn't 
restart it at the time but got tired of being  pestered about it so I 
let synaptic restart it. Up to then it was working flawlessly and now 
its apparently broken big time.  I've 2 real printers here, and cups 
can't find them, and I was using it to tell kmail to do a mail fetch.

I've no clue how much else is not working now.

The output of qdbus (as me):
gene@coyote:~$ qdbus
:1.0
 org.kde.kcalc-6112
:1.1
 org.xfce.Terminal4
:1.17
:1.19
:1.2
:1.20
:1.26
:1.3
 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon
org.freedesktop.DBus

No cups, no kde, and I just reinstalled all 3 bits of it.

Is there a config workaround that will restore its function, I have now 
restarted it 5 times, but have only exercised my fingers, its dead Jim.

And my wife is going to want the pix printed that her niece just sent me 
two copies of at 15 megs a pop.

Cups, at localhost:631/printers is saying it cannot locate the printer.

But I can ping the scanner in a couple milliseconds, its an MFP, 
accessable at a local ip address.  So add networking as a 2nd thing it 
cannot do now.

Help!

>
> Regards,
> jvp.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Gene Heskett wrote on 06/09/16 17:59:
> On Thursday 09 June 2016 05:39:08 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)
>>
>> The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the
>> wheezy-backports i386 target release which is set to priority 100.
>> These priorities are normally set in /etc/apt/preferences. What is the
>> contents of this file on your system?
> 
> I don't have a file there, I have a preferences.d, and its empty.
> 
>> The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the
>> dependencies explicitly in the apt-get command:
>>
>>apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
>> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree   
> Reading state information... Done
> Suggested packages:
>   qt4-doc-html
> Recommended packages:
>   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [all])
> Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [all])
> 
> Which is as far as I got since the needed updated version of python-pivy 
> isn't available even from sloppy, and neither is the newer version of 
> libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1
> 

Ah, the above command line has the "-s" switch for "simulate". Did you really
try to perform the installation?

  apt-get -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
libsoqt4-20 python-pivy

(in one command line).

Regards,
jvp.

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 09 June 2016 05:39:08 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)
>
> The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the
> wheezy-backports i386 target release which is set to priority 100.
> These priorities are normally set in /etc/apt/preferences. What is the
> contents of this file on your system?

I don't have a file there, I have a preferences.d, and its empty.

> The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the
> dependencies explicitly in the apt-get command:
>
>apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc
> qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
  qt4-doc-html
Recommended packages:
  qt4-designer qt4-doc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[all])
Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[all])

Which is as far as I got since the needed updated version of python-pivy 
isn't available even from sloppy, and neither is the newer version of 
libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1

Now, with sloppy added, let me rerun the command above to see if there 
are any diffs, as marking freecad turns the button red yet from unresolved
dependencies.

No, same results, and wheezy-backports-sloppy is not mentioned in the
results, so I won't further abuse the list with my drivel, other than 
to ask if sloppy has anything but "main" as thats all that has content
actually listed under origins.

> (This has the disadvantage that the information which packages are
> automatically installed is lost. Therefor, after successfully
> installing freecad inform the system about what are just dependency
> packages with
>
>   apt-mark auto qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> )
>
> If the installation doesn't work, have a look at
> ttps://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . There it says:
>
> "
> To allow some newer packages for those systems we create so called
> sloppy distributions. For oldstable (wheezy) packages from the current
> testing (stretch) are allowed to be uploaded to
> wheezy-backports-sloppy.
>
As noted above, no help there.

> You can use it exactly as the current backports distribution, just add
> another line to your sources.list and install new packages via apt-get
> -t wheezy-backports-sloppy install or apt-get -t jessie-backports
> install. "
>
> By the way, a nice tool is apt-show-versions to see from which release
> (distribution) a package on your system is installed from.
> It could help to trim /etc/apt/sources.list.

Which it do doubt needs as I'm sure there are essentially duplicates
in there now.

Cheers JVP, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Yeah, you got a lot of stuff here ;-)

The repositories all got the same priority 500 besides the wheezy-backports i386
target release which is set to priority 100. These priorities are normally set
in /etc/apt/preferences. What is the contents of this file on your system?

The easiest to try for your specific request is to list also the dependencies
explicitly in the apt-get command:

   apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
libsoqt4-20 python-pivy

(This has the disadvantage that the information which packages are automatically
installed is lost. Therefor, after successfully installing freecad inform the
system about what are just dependency packages with

  apt-mark auto qt4-dev-tools libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
)

If the installation doesn't work, have a look at
ttps://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . There it says:

"
To allow some newer packages for those systems we create so called sloppy
distributions. For oldstable (wheezy) packages from the current testing
(stretch) are allowed to be uploaded to wheezy-backports-sloppy.

You can use it exactly as the current backports distribution, just add another
line to your sources.list and install new packages via apt-get -t
wheezy-backports-sloppy install or apt-get -t jessie-backports install.
"

By the way, a nice tool is apt-show-versions to see from which release
(distribution) a package on your system is installed from.
It could help to trim /etc/apt/sources.list.

Regards,
jvp.


Gene Heskett wrote on 06/08/16 15:44:
> On Wednesday 08 June 2016 02:41:02 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> 
>> Maybe, the priority of the package repositories for , e.g., package
>> "libsoqt4-20" is wrong.
>>
>> Let's see what's the outcome of
>>
>>   apt-cache policy
> 
> Rather lengthy, wordwrap off:
> 
> root@coyote:/home/gene# apt-cache policy
> Package files:
>  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>  release a=now
>  500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.6 i386 Packages
>  release o=Chris Radek ,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC 
> and supporting files for Debian,c=2.6
>  origin linuxcnc.org

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 08 June 2016 02:41:02 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Maybe, the priority of the package repositories for , e.g., package
> "libsoqt4-20" is wrong.
>
> Let's see what's the outcome of
>
>   apt-cache policy

Rather lengthy, wordwrap off:

root@coyote:/home/gene# apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 release a=now
 500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.6 i386 Packages
 release o=Chris Radek ,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC 
and supporting files for Debian,c=2.6
 origin linuxcnc.org
 500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/base i386 Packages
 release o=Chris Radek ,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC 
and supporting files for Debian,c=base
 origin linuxcnc.org
 500 http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.7-uspace i386 Packages
 release o=Chris Radek ,a=linuxcnc,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC 
and supporting files for 
Debian,c=2.7-uspace
 origin linuxcnc.org
 500 http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/2.7-rtpreempt i386 Packages
 release o=LinuxCNC Buildbot 
,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=LinuxCNC packages 
(http://linuxcnc.org),c=2.7-rtpreempt
 origin buildbot.linuxcnc.org
 500 http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy/non-free i386 Packages
 release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Unofficial 
Multimedia Packages,c=non-free
 origin www.deb-multimedia.org
 500 http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
 release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Unofficial 
Multimedia Packages,c=main
 origin www.deb-multimedia.org
 500 http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/ wheezy/main-r14 i386 Packages
 release v=7.0,o=trinitydesktop.org,n=wheezy,l=Trinity Desktop 
Environment,c=main-r14
 origin mirror.xcer.cz
 500 http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/ wheezy/deps-r14 i386 Packages
 release v=7.0,o=trinitydesktop.org,n=wheezy,l=Trinity Desktop 
Environment,c=deps-r14
 origin mirror.xcer.cz
 500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/firefox-release i386 Packages
 release o=Debian Mozilla 
Team,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Mozilla 
Team,c=firefox-release
 origin mozilla.debian.net
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/contrib Translation-en
 100 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/non-free i386 Packages
 release v=,o=Debian 
Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=non-free
 origin http.us.debian.org
 100 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/contrib i386 Packages
 release v=,o=Debian 
Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=contrib
 origin http.us.debian.org
 100 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main i386 Packages
 release v=,o=Debian 
Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=main
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free i386 Packages
 release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=non-free
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib i386 Packages
 release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=contrib
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main i386 Packages
 release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=main
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free i386 Packages
 release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=non-free
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib i386 Packages
 release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=contrib
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages
 release v=7.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main
 origin http.us.debian.org
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free i386 Packages
 release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
 origin security.debian.org
 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Maybe, the priority of the package repositories for , e.g., package
"libsoqt4-20" is wrong.

Let's see what's the outcome of

  apt-cache policy

?

Regards,
jvp.

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 07 June 2016 11:10:19 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
> >> amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
> >> backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.
> >>
> >> Viz
> >>
> >> apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.
> >>
> >> Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be
> >> straight-forward (famous last words).
> >
> > And these are in that category, emphasis on gory.
> >
> > oot@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install
> > freecad freecad-doc Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> >   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy qt4-dev-tools
> > Suggested packages:
> >   qt4-doc-html
> > Recommended packages:
> >   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> > 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> > Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst qt4-dev-tools
> > (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst python-pivy
> > [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Inst freecad
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [all]) Conf libsoqt4-20
> > (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf python-pivy
> > (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> > Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian
> > Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386]) Conf freecad-doc
> > (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports [all])
>
> Right, so no problem. Your sources.list is irregular (not quite the
> word perhaps)

But your KDE isn't 100% usable, the TDE version is.

> and there must be another freecad version in one of 
> those irregular repositories because freecad is not available in
> vanilla Wheezy at all.

If you look above, the only mention for the source of the file is from 
wheezy-backports.

> I thought we were talking about the version in wheezy-backports, which
> prompted me to post what I posted.

That is where it would come from as its enabled in the sources.list.  So 
it seems odd that it is there in a recent enough version, but its newer 
required dependencies are not.

That's a bug IMO.  But since its well known that my interests are at best 
described as "eclectic", my oar in those waters is just a toothpick.

Sigh

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Curt]

On 2016-06-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
>> amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
>> backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.
>>
>> Viz
>>
>> apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.
>>
>> Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be
>> straight-forward (famous last words).
>
> And these are in that category, emphasis on gory.
>
> oot@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad 
> freecad-doc
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree   
> Reading state information... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy qt4-dev-tools
> Suggested packages:
>   qt4-doc-html
> Recommended packages:
>   qt4-designer qt4-doc
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
> 2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [all])
> Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
> Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
> Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [i386])
> Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
> [all])

Right, so no problem. Your sources.list is irregular (not quite the
word perhaps) and there must be another freecad version in one of those
irregular repositories because freecad is not available in vanilla
Wheezy at all.

I thought we were talking about the version in wheezy-backports, which
prompted me to post what I posted.


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Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 07 June 2016 04:11:43 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-06, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> >
> > So it is, but I cannot install it, synaptic claims broken packages, 
> > but I click on custom -> broken and the list is empty.  And clicking
> > on fix broken packages does nothing.
> >
> > So synaptic seems confused, as is apt-get, but it at least names the
> > proken package, or does it:
> >
> > root@coyote:/home/gene/src#  apt-get -f install freecad freecad-doc
> > qt4-dev-tools
>
> Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
> amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
> backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.
>
> Viz
>
> apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.
>
> Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be
> straight-forward (famous last words).

And these are in that category, emphasis on gory.

oot@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad 
freecad-doc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libsoqt4-20 python-pivy qt4-dev-tools
Suggested packages:
  qt4-doc-html
Recommended packages:
  qt4-designer qt4-doc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  freecad freecad-doc qt4-dev-tools
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libsoqt4-20 python-pivy
2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Inst libsoqt4-20 [1.5.0-2] (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst python-pivy [0.5.0~v609hg-1] (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Inst freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Inst freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[all])
Conf libsoqt4-20 (1.6.0~e8310f-1~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Conf qt4-dev-tools (4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian 
Backports:/wheezy-backports [i386])
Conf python-pivy (0.5.0~v609hg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Conf freecad (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[i386])
Conf freecad-doc (0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 Debian Backports:/wheezy-backports 
[all])

root@coyote:/home/gene# apt-get install freecad freecad-doc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 freecad : Depends: libsoqt4-20 (>= 1.6) but 1.5.0-2 is to be installed
   Depends: python-pivy (>= 0.5.0~v609hg-2) but 0.5.0~v609hg-1 is to be 
installed
 freecad-doc : Depends: qt4-dev-tools but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
root@coyote:/home/gene# 
=
That last E: is in error on synaptics, there are no broken or held packages, 
and it 
had zero problems installing this mornings updates, about 9 files IIRC.

The real problem is the versions of libsoqt4 and python-pivy are not 
fresh enough to meet the dependencies.  Am I missing a line in my 
/etc/sources.list that would have/show the versions it needs?

/etc/apt/sources.list=

deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
# deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
# deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
# deb 
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian
 wheezy main
# deb http://http.us.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
# deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel
deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports firefox-release
# deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb wheezy deps-r14 main-r14
# deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb wheezy deps-r14 main-r14
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free
# deb-src http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main
deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy 2.7-rtpreempt
deb-src 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Curt]

On 2016-06-06, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
>
> So it is, but I cannot install it, synaptic claims broken packages,  but 
> I click on custom -> broken and the list is empty.  And clicking on fix 
> broken packages does nothing.
>
> So synaptic seems confused, as is apt-get, but it at least names the 
> proken package, or does it:
>
> root@coyote:/home/gene/src#  apt-get -f install freecad freecad-doc 
> qt4-dev-tools

Installing (in simulation mode because it pulls in an enormous
amount of stuff) freecad and freecad-docs in Wheezy LTS from Wheezy
backports works for me (why qt4-dev-tools?) using apt-get.

Viz

apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install freecad freecad-docs.

Or maybe I'm not following you closely enough.  Should be straight-forward
(famous last words).

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 June 2016 13:49:50 David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > program, and never will.
> > >
> > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago,
> > > it had a then decent CAD program.
> >
> > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one
> > then either.
> >
> > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its
> > just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release. 
> > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or
> > 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning
> > curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team,
> > his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of
> > other export data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the
> > N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code
> > base, but has now been extended many many times  So I haven't
> > propped a ladder against freecad and really really tried to learn
> > it.  But first I'd have to pull the sources and see if I can build
> > it to run on wheezy.
>
> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.

So it is, but I cannot install it, synaptic claims broken packages,  but 
I click on custom -> broken and the list is empty.  And clicking on fix 
broken packages does nothing.

So synaptic seems confused, as is apt-get, but it at least names the 
proken package, or does it:

root@coyote:/home/gene/src#  apt-get -f install freecad freecad-doc 
qt4-dev-tools
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 freecad : Depends: libsoqt4-20 (>= 1.6) but 1.5.0-2 is to be installed
   Depends: python-pivy (>= 0.5.0~v609hg-2) but it is not going 
to be installed
   Depends: python-pyside but it is not going to be installed
 qt4-dev-tools : Depends: libqt4-declarative (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqt4-help (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqt4-network (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqt4-sql (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqt4-xml (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqt4-xmlpatterns (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqtdbus4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
 Depends: libqtgui4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 
4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3~bpo70+1 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

But the only error I see is the version of the first package.

JVP, your turn I think.  Is this fixable?

>
> Cheers,
> David.

Thanks, to both of you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 06 June 2016 20:00:42 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 19:39:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 19:16:41 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > > > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > > > > > program, and never will.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years
> > > > > > > ago, it had a then decent CAD program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have
> > > > > > one then either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and
> > > > > > its just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.
> > > > > > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4
> > > > > > or 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical
> > > > > > learning curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was
> > > > > > on the team, his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of
> > > > > > its plethora of other export data formats are readily converted
> > > > > > the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc
> > > > > > grew from that code base, but has now been extended many many
> > > > > > times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad and really
> > > > > > really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the sources
> > > > > > and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> > > >
> > > > I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it
> > > > if it were there.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!
> > >
> > > -rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11
> > > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
> > > eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741
> > > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb (md5)
> >
> > Indeed!  Quotation from the subject line: Re: libreCAD, can't
> > find help docs (my stars).
>
> I tried to cut the quotation fairly precisely to the bit I was
> responding to: Debian CAD programs. I wanted to save Gene the trouble
> of compiling freecad from source as he seems very fond of it.
> Gene has already moved on from the Subject line. It would be pointless
> for me to change it now.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Yes, I am not suggesting that you should.  But we did have different 
referents.  Gene would always rather mess around anyway.  Why do it the easy 
way when the difficult way will do ;-)

Lisi

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[David Wright]

On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 19:39:52 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 19:16:41 David Wright wrote:
> > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > > > > program, and never will.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago,
> > > > > > it had a then decent CAD program.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one
> > > > > then either.
> > > > >
> > > > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its
> > > > > just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release. 
> > > > > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or
> > > > > 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning
> > > > > curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team,
> > > > > his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of
> > > > > other export data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the
> > > > > N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code
> > > > > base, but has now been extended many many times  So I haven't propped
> > > > > a ladder against freecad and really really tried to learn it.  But
> > > > > first I'd have to pull the sources and see if I can build it to run
> > > > > on wheezy.
> > > >
> > > > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> > >
> > > I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it
> > > were there.
> >
> > Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!
> >
> > -rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11
> > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
> > eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741 
> > /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb (md5)
> 
> Indeed!  Quotation from the subject line: Re: libreCAD, can't find 
> help docs (my stars).

I tried to cut the quotation fairly precisely to the bit I was
responding to: Debian CAD programs. I wanted to save Gene the trouble
of compiling freecad from source as he seems very fond of it.
Gene has already moved on from the Subject line. It would be pointless
for me to change it now.

Cheers,
David.

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 06 June 2016 19:16:41 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD
> > > > > > program, and never will.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago,
> > > > > it had a then decent CAD program.
> > > >
> > > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one
> > > > then either.
> > > >
> > > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its
> > > > just qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release. 
> > > > Freecad has run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or
> > > > 5 years, but not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning
> > > > curve, decent docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team,
> > > > his heekscnc convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of
> > > > other export data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the
> > > > N.I.S.T. std code format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code
> > > > base, but has now been extended many many times  So I haven't propped
> > > > a ladder against freecad and really really tried to learn it.  But
> > > > first I'd have to pull the sources and see if I can build it to run
> > > > on wheezy.
> > >
> > > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> >
> > I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it
> > were there.
>
> Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!
>
> -rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11
> /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
> eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741 
> /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb (md5)
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Indeed!  Quotation from the subject line: Re: libreCAD, can't find 
help docs (my stars).

Lisi

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[David Wright]

On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 18:56:07 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> > On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > > > > and never will.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> > > > had a then decent CAD program.
> > >
> > > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then
> > > either.
> > >
> > > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just
> > > qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has
> > > run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but
> > > not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent
> > > docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc
> > > convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export
> > > data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code
> > > format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been
> > > extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad
> > > and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the
> > > sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.
> >
> > It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
> 
> I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it 
> were 
> there.

Perhaps we disagree on the referent of "it"!

-rw-r--r-- 18824580 Jun  6 13:11 /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
eb83c48f5fdd6ec7c466ac1aec516741  /tmp/freecad_0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1_i386.deb
(md5)

Cheers,
David.

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 06 June 2016 18:49:50 David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> > > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > > > and never will.
> > >
> > > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> > > had a then decent CAD program.
> >
> > Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then
> > either.
> >
> > That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just
> > qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has
> > run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but
> > not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent
> > docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc
> > convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export
> > data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code
> > format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been
> > extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad
> > and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the
> > sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.
>
> It appears to be in wheezy-backports.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

I can't find it there.  I looked with a view to pointing Gene to it if it were 
there.

Lisi

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[David Wright]

On Mon 06 Jun 2016 at 13:12:33 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> 
> > On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > > and never will.
> >
> > I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> > had a then decent CAD program.
> 
> Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then 
> either.
> 
> That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just 
> qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has 
> run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but 
> not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent 
> docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc 
> convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export 
> data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code 
> format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been 
> extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad 
> and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the 
> sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.

It appears to be in wheezy-backports.

Cheers,
David.

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 June 2016 11:54:12 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2016 09:12:46 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> >> On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
> >> >> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> >> >
> >> > This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what
> >> > is in the repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about,
> >> > built in 2012. So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I
> >> > don't really see any great amount of progress in bringing the
> >> > repo version up to the docs version.
> >>
> >> Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has
> >> 2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.
> >> For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions
> >> (with the exception of security fixes).
> >
> > So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program,
> > and never will.
>
> I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it
> had a then decent CAD program.

Thats not what I said or intended to say, and no it didn't have one then 
either.

That qcad fork, with no docs is the best its ever offered, and its just 
qcad renamed & not even close to the last 1.0.7 release.  Freecad has 
run on every install I've tried it on over the last 4 or 5 years, but 
not on debian wheezy.  It too has a vertical learning curve, decent 
docs, but even though Dan Heeks is or was on the team, his heekscnc 
convertor got left behind.  And none of its plethora of other export 
data formats are readily converted the RS-274-D, the N.I.S.T. std code 
format for this.  Linuxcnc grew from that code base, but has now been 
extended many many times  So I haven't propped a ladder against freecad 
and really really tried to learn it.  But first I'd have to pull the 
sources and see if I can build it to run on wheezy.

Thanks Eduardo.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Seg, 06 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 06 June 2016 09:12:46 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
>> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
>>
>> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
>
> This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is
> in the repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built
> in 2012. So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't
> really see any great amount of progress in bringing the repo version
> up to the docs version.

Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has
2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.
For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions (with
the exception of security fixes).


So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program, and
never will.


I suppose that when it was released, little over three years ago, it  
had a then decent CAD program.

--
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 06 June 2016 09:12:46 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
> >> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> >
> > This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is
> > in the repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built
> > in 2012. So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't
> > really see any great amount of progress in bringing the repo version
> > up to the docs version.
>
> Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has
> 2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.
> For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions (with
> the exception of security fixes).

So the bottom line is that wheezy doesn't have a decent CAD program, and 
never will.  At some point, I'll be able to update the working CNC 
machines to jessie, but a target date hasn't been set yet.  I am used to 
writing my own gcode, some of which has been pretty complex, so its not 
a show stopper.

Thanks Eduardo.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Dom, 05 Jun 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:

All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual


This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is in the
repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built in 2012.
So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't really see any
great amount of progress in bringing the repo version up to the docs
version.


Jessie, the current stable version, has version 2.0.4. Testing has  
2.0.9. You seem to be running Wheezy; don't expect a newer version.  
For that matter, even Jessie is unlikely to get newer versions (with  
the exception of security fixes).

--
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Curt]

On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646621
>
> Interesting.  Thank you.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

There's this

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_v1_Users'_Manual

which contains the following link

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/A_short_manual_for_use_from_the_command_line

Not entirely clear to me whether the short manual for the command line
still pertains to v1 or not. Even if it does, seems rather rudimentary.

-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Joe]

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:58:26 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 05 June 2016 13:10:52 Joe wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:17:13 + (UTC)
> >
> > Curt  wrote:  
> > > On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett  wrote:  
> > > > Greetings all;
> > > >
> > > > Wheezy, i386.
> > > >
> > > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > > but it cannot find its help docs.  
> > >
> > > Did you give the built-in help system a try?  
> >
> > Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:
> >
> > "Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."
> >
> > The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of
> > which are installed.
> >
> > It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but
> > the manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.  
> 
> Correct.  Some of it might be that the "application preferences"
> ->path tab, is totally empty for all 5 entries.  I may take a look at
> the data package to see where it put stuff and see if I can fill in
> the blanks.
> 
> Do you have any entries in that pulldown?
> 

It has a Part Libraries entry, which I may or may not have put there
myself, and the rest are empty. None of them refer to 'help'.

/usr/share/librecad/qm contains a set of apparently language-based .qm
files, but I can't find a sensible way of opening them. I suspect it
has to be done through the Qt API, and this bit of program doesn't
exist in librecad yet.

-- 
Joe

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 13:28:48 Sven Arvidsson wrote:

> On Sun, 2016-06-05 at 18:10 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > > but it cannot find its help docs.  
> > >
> > > Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> >
> > Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:
> >
> > "Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."
> >
> > The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of
> > which
> > are installed.
> >
> > It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but
> > the manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.
>
> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646621

Interesting.  Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 13:10:52 Joe wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:17:13 + (UTC)
>
> Curt  wrote:
> > On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > Wheezy, i386.
> > >
> > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > but it cannot find its help docs.
> >
> > Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>
> Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:
>
> "Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."
>
> The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of which
> are installed.
>
> It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but the
> manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.

Correct.  Some of it might be that the "application preferences" ->path 
tab, is totally empty for all 5 entries.  I may take a look at the data 
package to see where it put stuff and see if I can fill in the blanks.

Do you have any entries in that pulldown?

Thanks Joe.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 12:50:10 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
> >> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> >> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to
> >> >> > use but it cannot find its help docs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> >> >
> >> > That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.
> >>
> >> That is really unfair.
> >
> > On my part?  Really?  I find entirely too often on linux, that the
> > help tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage
> > of the time.  No biggie to the author, he knows how to run his
> > masterpiece, can't you figure it out on your own?  Thats good for
> > the soil when its found on the ground behind the male of the bovine
> > specie, but not much else.
>
> No, I didn't mean you were being unfair, I meant that it's a bummer
> not having any good docs, especially for something like CAD software,
> which can be pretty complicated stuff.

Ah, we're on the same page then.

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 11:54:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 05 June 2016 14:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I find entirely too often on linux, that the help
> > tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the
> > time.
>
> Well, it's open source, Gene.  Learn how to use it then write the
> docs.  Or pay a technical author to learn how to use it by trial and
> error, blood sweat and tears, and then write the docs.  I know a good
> one, who would I am sure, enjoy learning how to use libreCAD, and then
> writing about it, but has to earn his bread and butter, and already
> spends a lot of his time on Open Source projects.
>
> Too many of us complain at what other people don't do with their spare
> time. Me included.
>
> Lisi

Guilty too I fear Lisi.  OTOH, something that works well and has a donate 
button on its web page, has found me clicking on the donate as long as 
the questionair to do so isn't a data gatherer to be sold to a spammer.  

When they want my unlisted phone number and mailing address is usually 
where I draw the line and close the page.  But if its an https page, and 
only wants my name as shown on the card, the card numbers, and how much, 
or has a paypal setup, then sure I'll donate.  I don't mind buying some 
decent breakfast bacon for the coder, but I'll be damned if I'll enhance 
a spammers ability to trash my phone, inbox or mailbox.  I own all 3, 
and I'm paying the bill to have the connectivity.  They are freeloaders 
IMO.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[David Wright]

On Sun 05 Jun 2016 at 16:54:02 (+0100), Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 14:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I find entirely too often on linux, that the help
> > tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the
> > time.
> 
> Well, it's open source, Gene.  Learn how to use it then write the docs.  Or 
> pay a technical author to learn how to use it by trial and error, blood sweat 
> and tears, and then write the docs.  I know a good one, who would I am sure, 
> enjoy learning how to use libreCAD, and then writing about it, but has to 
> earn his bread and butter, and already spends a lot of his time on Open 
> Source projects.
> 
> Too many of us complain at what other people don't do with their spare time.  
> Me included.  

Perhaps not relevant in this particular case, but there are people (who post
here) who say they don't install packages' Recommendations and Suggestions.

Looking at the package names containing '-doc' on my system:

Suggests: 22
Recommends: 19
No reason 7 (ie I had to select and install them)
Depends: 2

Cheers,
David.

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Joe]

On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:28:48 +0200
Sven Arvidsson  wrote:

> On Sun, 2016-06-05 at 18:10 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > > but it cannot find its help docs.    
> > > Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> > >   
> > Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:
> > 
> > "Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."
> > 
> > The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of
> > which
> > are installed.
> > 
> > It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but
> > the manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.  
> 
> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646621
> 

Yes, it's obviously a bug, but I never bothered chasing it as I can see
that the librecad people are working flat out to fix functionality
bugs, presumably from the QT4 port, and the manual is available online.

-- 
Joe

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2016-06-05 at 18:10 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > but it cannot find its help docs.  
> > Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> > 
> Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:
> 
> "Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."
> 
> The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of
> which
> are installed.
> 
> It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but the
> manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.

See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646621

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
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Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Joe]

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 09:17:13 + (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

> On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > but it cannot find its help docs.  
> 
> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> 

Mine (2.0.9 on sid) says, and I quote verbatim:

"Bugger, I couldn't find the helpfiles on the filesystem."

The only Debian packages are librecad and librecad-data, both of which
are installed.

It's not a problem for me, as the 2.0.9 manual is on the Net, but the
manuals for earlier versions appear not to be.

-- 
Joe

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Curt]

On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:
>
>> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> >> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
>> >> > but it cannot find its help docs.
>> >>
>> >> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>> >
>> > That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.
>>
>> That is really unfair.
>
> On my part?  Really?  I find entirely too often on linux, that the help 
> tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the 
> time.  No biggie to the author, he knows how to run his masterpiece, 
> can't you figure it out on your own?  Thats good for the soil when its 
> found on the ground behind the male of the bovine specie, but not much 
> else.
>

No, I didn't mean you were being unfair, I meant that it's a bummer not
having any good docs, especially for something like CAD software, which
can be pretty complicated stuff.

 
-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 14:58:39 Gene Heskett wrote:
> I find entirely too often on linux, that the help
> tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the
> time.

Well, it's open source, Gene.  Learn how to use it then write the docs.  Or 
pay a technical author to learn how to use it by trial and error, blood sweat 
and tears, and then write the docs.  I know a good one, who would I am sure, 
enjoy learning how to use libreCAD, and then writing about it, but has to 
earn his bread and butter, and already spends a lot of his time on Open 
Source projects.

Too many of us complain at what other people don't do with their spare time.  
Me included.  

Lisi

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:59:14 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> >> > but it cannot find its help docs.
> >>
> >> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
> >
> > That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.
>
> That is really unfair.

On my part?  Really?  I find entirely too often on linux, that the help 
tut from that menu pulldown is missing an annoying percentage of the 
time.  No biggie to the author, he knows how to run his masterpiece, 
can't you figure it out on your own?  Thats good for the soil when its 
found on the ground behind the male of the bovine specie, but not much 
else.

> All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:
>
> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual

This I did find, but its for a much newer version 2.0 than what is in the 
repo's.  That repo version is 1.02 according the about, built in 2012.  
So one could say they are a tad out of step. And I don't really see any 
great amount of progress in bringing the repo version up to the docs 
version. Version 2.0 can apparently export in .svg, and .svg's can be 
assigned a scale and made into GCode without any huge hassle.  But the 
repo version cannot, leaving no easy route from its dxf output to 
something that can carve metal.  So, since I don't see a good tut for 
this, and its not able to export in a file format I can use, I'll 
expunge it and continue my search for something usable.

I had hopes that Dan Heeks would finish heekscad, which had a companion 
heekscnc that could spit out useable code, but he jumped ship to work on 
freecad, but to my knowledge heekscnc was not brought along, so freecad 
has no output format that is machine translateable to rs-274-d, that I 
am aware of.

> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=librecad
>
> >> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks all.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett

Thanks for the links, but they don't fit the code I have.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Curt]

On 2016-06-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> >
>> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
>> > it cannot find its help docs.
>>
>> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>>
> That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.

That is really unfair.

All I can find as a "pis aller" after a quick look is this:

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=librecad

>> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>> >
>> > Thanks all.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> Thanks.
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 05 June 2016 05:17:13 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
> > it cannot find its help docs.
>
> Did you give the built-in help system a try?
>
That is what it is reporting that it cannot find.

> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
Thanks.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Curt]

On 2016-06-03, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> Wheezy, i386.
>
> libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it 
> cannot find its help docs.

Did you give the built-in help system a try?

> I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
>
> Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmony with the demagogic appeals to cultural democracy that
accompany (and distract one’s attention from) the ever-tightening grip of 
plutocratic capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 03 June 2016 10:51:15 Joe wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:24 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 03 June 2016 07:03:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Greetings all;
> > > >
> > > > Wheezy, i386.
> > > >
> > > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > > but it cannot find its help docs.
> > > >
> > > > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks all.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > >
> > > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
> > > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> > >
> > > GIYF??? ;-)
> >
> > That, sadly, is for version 2.0, apparently much more capable than
> > the version in the repo's which is 1.07, and 6 years old.
>
> It's worth trying to run the current version (2.0.9) on Sid if you can
> organise it. It's still a bit buggy, but is improving fast with each
> version. Older versions were *much* worse. I also use a Windows
> version in emergencies, but that doesn't seem able to produce hard
> copy, or even graphics files, so is presumably a slightly older
> version.
>
> I used to use qcad, from [the community/free version of] which
> librecad was forked, and as far as I recall, the basics were very
> similar. Qcad still exists, but I believe the writers were not willing
> to port the free version to QT4, hence the fork. It took a while for
> the librecad people to sort out some really, really gross artefacts of
> the porting. Serious use of the zoom required 'great peace of mind'.
>
> I'd have thought that the 2.0 manual would be near enough to get
> started. Layers and drawing primitives are pretty much universal,
> things like extend and trim are less intuitive, but I don't think they
> have changed much. The philosophy behind copying/moving seems
> particularly non-intuitive, but easy once understood.
>
> I don't think even the current version is great at importing other
> drawing formats. and 'DXF' seems to be an aspiration rather than a
> standard file format.

I don't have a preference for output file format, as long as it will 
convert to RS-274-D gcode.  I have a simple little project, I need to 
make a small bar, with two screws to attach it to another piece of the 
same material, in this case 1/2" thick alu, carrying a jack screw in the 
other end of it that can be adjusted to serve as a coggedd belt 
tightening jack, with the screw bridging the space between the top of a 
jackshaft frame I made several years ago, but with when mounted using 
the OEM motor mounts, allows the shaft to rise, slackening the belt 
enough to allow it to hop cogs when heavily loaded.  This allows the 
spindle to stop in just a few degrees of rotation while the driving 
pulley, with a 1 HP motor behind it now, to finish burning up the belt, 
long before I can hit the big yellow kill button.  This lathe is a piece 
of junk from the gitgo, but I'm stuck with it. Its been CNC'd with .001" 
acuracy screws for yonks, and I am hopeing that with the latest changes 
I am making to the drive train, I can reduce the frequency of belt 
burnups.  I have enough other machinery that I can do it without the 
drawings, so its not a do it this way or die situation.

But I would like at some point before I fall over, and I'm north of 80 
already, to master some cad program, preferably full 3d so I can maybe 
make some of this stuff and peddle it on ebay because there are a half a 
million copies of this thing been sold to unsuspecting people who didn't 
know any better, like me 20 years ago. :-)

Thanks Joe.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Joe]

On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:36:24 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Friday 03 June 2016 07:03:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:  
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > Wheezy, i386.
> > >
> > > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use
> > > but it cannot find its help docs.
> > >
> > > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> > >
> > > Thanks all.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett  
> >
> > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
> > http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
> >
> > GIYF??? ;-)
> >  
> That, sadly, is for version 2.0, apparently much more capable than
> the version in the repo's which is 1.07, and 6 years old.

It's worth trying to run the current version (2.0.9) on Sid if you can
organise it. It's still a bit buggy, but is improving fast with each
version. Older versions were *much* worse. I also use a Windows version
in emergencies, but that doesn't seem able to produce hard copy, or
even graphics files, so is presumably a slightly older version.

I used to use qcad, from [the community/free version of] which librecad
was forked, and as far as I recall, the basics were very similar. Qcad
still exists, but I believe the writers were not willing to port the
free version to QT4, hence the fork. It took a while for the librecad
people to sort out some really, really gross artefacts of the porting.
Serious use of the zoom required 'great peace of mind'.

I'd have thought that the 2.0 manual would be near enough to get
started. Layers and drawing primitives are pretty much universal,
things like extend and trim are less intuitive, but I don't think they
have changed much. The philosophy behind copying/moving seems
particularly non-intuitive, but easy once understood.

I don't think even the current version is great at importing other
drawing formats. and 'DXF' seems to be an aspiration rather than a
standard file format.

-- 
Joe

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 03 June 2016 07:03:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
> > it cannot find its help docs.
> >
> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
> http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual
>
> GIYF??? ;-)
>
That, sadly, is for version 2.0, apparently much more capable than the 
version in the repo's which is 1.07, and 6 years old.
I tried to install freecad as I have some experience with it on *buntu 
10-04 LTS, but that blew up my database and I now have about 70 :amd64 
files installed on an i386 system.  And neither synaptic nor dpkg will 
let me fix it.  See my other msg this morning.

I may have to see if I can upodate to jessie yet. In which case I do it 
as amd64 as I believe the linuxcnc simulation will run on it.  The real 
thing will not, the amd64 latency is horrible.  But the simulator is 
running on an amd64 kernel right now.

root@coyote:/var/cache/apt/archives# uname -a
Linux coyote 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1 
(2016-04-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux

And its happy as a clam.

Thank Lisi.
> Lisi


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 03 June 2016 06:43:23 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:59:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Wheezy, i386.
> >
> > libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but
> > it cannot find its help docs.
> >
> > I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> >
> > Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>
> Hmmm. Looking at the package files (e.g. [1]), the manual page is the
> only thing which looks like documentation.
>
> Have you tried "man librecad"?

Now, yes, its about a 6 line manpage that points 
to /usr/share/doc/librecad, which contains a changelog.gz, copyright, 
(std gpl2+) and the last file there is the README.debian and it is a 5 
line file.  Pretty thin in other words.  Their web page mentions 
downloading the librecad-doc file, but no links to it.

> regards
>
> [1] 
>
> -- t


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 03 June 2016 10:59:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> Wheezy, i386.
>
> libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it
> cannot find its help docs.
>
> I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
>
> Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page
http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_users_Manual

GIYF??? ;-)

Lisi

Re: libreCAD, can't find help docs

[tomas]

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On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:59:53AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> Wheezy, i386.
> 
> libreCAD looks like a simple enough cad I could learn how to use but it 
> cannot find its help docs.
> 
> I do not see a separate docs package in the repo's.
> 
> Does anyone have a clue where they might be found?

Hmmm. Looking at the package files (e.g. [1]), the manual page is the
only thing which looks like documentation.

Have you tried "man librecad"?

regards

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