Re: meta-question
Louis Hinman wrote: I was accustomed some time back to post questions on linus.debian.user (http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics). Recently, I logged into this forum and tried to post. My post was rejected and I was informed I needed to register. I registered as instructed, and now emails sent to debian-user@lists.debian.org are posted at http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics. However, if I try to respond within a thread where I am the OP, my response never makes it into the thread! This is kind of confusing. Can someone clarify for me what I need to do be a full-fledged participant in this discussion group? To post to linux.* via NNTP see: http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate Regards, Howard E. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00duj7-git@gonif.dnyndns.org
Re: meta-question
Louis Hinman wrote: I don't see an administrator to address this question to, so please forgive me for addressing it to all and sundry: I was accustomed some time back to post questions on linus.debian.user (http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics). Recently, I logged into this forum and tried to post. My post was rejected and I was informed I needed to register. I registered as instructed, and now emails sent to debian-user@lists.debian.org are posted at http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics. However, if I try to respond within a thread where I am the OP, my response never makes it into the thread! This is kind of confusing. Can someone clarify for me what I need to do be a full-fledged participant in this discussion group? I use gmane and that keeps track of gmane.linux.debian.user also. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i4e2su$d3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: meta-question
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT), Louis Hinman wrote: I don't see an administrator to address this question to, There isn't one. so please forgive me for addressing it to all and sundry: No forgiveness needed. I was accustomed some time back to post questions on linus.debian.user (http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics). Recently, I logged into this forum and tried to post. My post was rejected and I was informed I needed to register. I registered as instructed, and now emails sent to debian-user@lists.debian.org are posted at http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics. However, if I try to respond within a thread where I am the OP, my response never makes it into the thread! This is kind of confusing. Can someone clarify for me what I need to do be a full-fledged participant in this discussion group? Thanks Best Regards, Lou NYC I suggest that you read the forum via http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/. If you want to reply to a post, make sure that the addressee is debian-user@lists.debian.org and not the poster's e-mail address. If you have a web-based e-mail client that supports mailto:; links, make sure you click on the debian-user@lists.debian.org link under Reply to:. Doing it this way bypasses Google entirely and will not require you to register. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/888462100.128127.1281971093251.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: meta-question
Lou writes: I don't see an administrator to address this question to... At the bottom of every article: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org I was accustomed some time back to post questions on linus.debian.user (http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics). Recently, I logged into this forum and tried to post. That forum is Google's mirror of this debian-user mailing list. It is run by Google: the people who run this list have no influence over it. If you are having problems with it you must talk to Google. Can someone clarify for me what I need to do be a full-fledged participant in this discussion group? I suggest that you go to http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ and subscribe to the debian-user mailing list. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8739uek3ag@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: meta-question
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:02:22 -0400, Louis Hinman wrote: (...) However, if I try to respond within a thread where I am the OP, my response never makes it into the thread! Maybe due to this? Why aren't my posts appearing? http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=46491 This is kind of confusing. Can someone clarify for me what I need to do be a full-fledged participant in this discussion group? Google usenet groups have a different behaviour than the originating mailing lists. Look, this usenet group seems to be moderated: *** http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/about Description debian-user[at]lists.debian.org (Moderated) *** But the original Debian mailing list is not: *** http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone. *** Better use the Debian mailing lists resources. You can easily read and post into this list within a newsreader (I use Pan), no e-mail client nor subscription required. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.08.16.15.51...@gmail.com
Re: meta-question
Louis Hinman sl...@rcn.com: I don't see an administrator to address this question to, so please forgive me for addressing it to all and sundry: Along with the other excellent advice others have suggested, subscribe to whitel...@lists.debian.org, with all its resulting goodness. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/i4c8od$i6...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: meta-question for debian users
Vwaju writes: I can't find a webmaster contact for the linux.debian.user forum... I am reading your posting on the debian-user@lists.debian.org mailing-list for which the administrative contact is listmas...@lists.debian.org. However, you appear to be acessing this mailing list via Google Groups. While we do not object to Google mirroring the list on their Google Groups Web site, we have no control over problems that occur there. I suggest that you direct your inquiries to Google. You might find it simpler to go to www.debian.org and subscribe the the debian-user mailing list directly. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:26:37AM +0200, Joerg Johannes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sebastiaan wrote: High, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: Well, I broke my own promise to be a lurker of this list. However, I am just wondering on how do others read this mega list. Is that: d(elete), d, d, and CR once in awhile? I'll peruse subjects I'm interested in, generally skip stuff of marginal interest in which there's a lot of discussion (I figure the question's been addressed, and topic has probably drifted), and try to respond to otherwise unanswered posts. I also tend to delete anything that's: - HTML formatted. - doesn't wrap 80 characters (I highly recommend 72). - doesn't follow reasonable quoting rules: postfix, ' ' lead. - is grossly misspelled, mispunctuated, lacks capitalization, paragraphing, coherent thought, or is otherwise tiresome to read. Hence, I say: write as if you're asking a favor of your reader. Very often on mailing lists you are. I'll give *some* allowance on the last point for people who are clearly not native English speakers. I've spent some time in foreign lands (and even parts of New Jersey) where it's damned hard to understand or be understood, and can respect that. But if language is a sufficiently high barrier, I'll recommend seeking regionalized support. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA!http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hirehttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpIt9wIl2Hen.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: : META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:07:11PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:26:37AM +0200, Joerg Johannes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'll peruse subjects I'm interested in, [deletia] Which can, with a decent MUA (e.g. mutt), be automated with scores. I'm giving mails with keywords I'm interested in a higher score and auto-delete other things (e.g. these unsubscribe-mails). I also tend to delete anything that's: - HTML formatted. Me too. Very annoying - doesn't wrap 80 characters (I highly recommend 72). Same as with HTML - doesn't follow reasonable quoting rules: postfix, ' ' lead. That's IMHO the smaller problem with the quoting, much worse are mails which have the quotation after the text. This can be very confusing. - is grossly misspelled, mispunctuated, lacks capitalization, paragraphing, coherent thought, or is otherwise tiresome to read. Ack. Hence, I say: write as if you're asking a favor of your reader. Very often on mailing lists you are. I'm gonna put this advice in my personal list of Tips-for-Newbies, I can already think of at least two mailing-lists with subscribers that need such a hint. Following it is the best thing you can do. I'll give *some* allowance on the last point for people who are clearly not native English speakers. Thanks :-) Greets, Stephen Rueger -- Registered Linux User #205361 (http://counter.li.org)
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
dman wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 10:24:31PM -0500, Rich Puhek wrote: | Personally, I'm stuck with an NT box at work, so I end up using Netscape Not to fear -- mutt works great with cygwin (just patch attachment.c to use binary mode for opening files or else M$ will screw up the streams)! I haven't tried fetchmail or procmail though (I ssh to the school's system like I'm doing now which is Solaris). -D I suppose I could try that. Problem is, I'm really an elm guy for text mail reader (not too surprising to see a :x at the bottom of my Windows emails). Of course, now I switched to Maildir/ format, so I'm back to pine. --Rich _ Rich Puhek ETN Systems Inc. _
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
Because It fits with my preferences more. You see, contrary to some people around here, I LIKE to recieve copies of listmail when I'm the intended recipient. The resent-from recipie puts the personal copy in my inbox, where it recieves relatively immediate attention, and yet still keeps the flow of the list folder intact. Also the reason I top post: almost all MUAs page through messages in their original order, so the newest stuff goes on top and you don't have to page through all of the old junk to find out what's important. What a bargain: you asked for nothing, yet you got my whole two cents worth :) On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Rich Puhek wrote: John Galt wrote: .procmailrc recipie: :0: * ^Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user About 99.9995% effective. On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: Um, how about using: X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org instead of the Resent-From? I believe that's what that header is intended for. Of course, not every mailing list has that feature, but for those that do, you're going to have better luck than with Resent-From:, To:, CC:, and similar headers. Personally, I'm stuck with an NT box at work, so I end up using Netscape for email reading. It's a PITA, but better than anything else I've found (Eudora bugs me for some reason, The Bat! costs money, and don't even talk to me about Outlook). I parse all mailing lists (Some of which are even more active than deb-user!) into seperate folders. Then, I can scan through the folders quickly, either by date or by thread. Some things are handy in curses-based environments, but a quick scroll bar in Windows (or, X, I suppose) works pretty well for scanning mailing lists, expecially once you get the feel for the list. --Rich -- FBI CIA NSA IRS ATF BATF DOD WACO RUBY RIDGE OKC OKLAHOMA CITY MILITIA GUN HANDGUN MILGOV ASSAULT RIFLE TERRORISM BOMB DRUG HORIUCHI KORESH DAVIDIAN KAHL POSSE COMITATUS RANDY WEAVER VICKIE WEAVER SPECIAL FORCES LINDA THOMPSON SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP SOG SOF DELTA FORCE CONSTITUTION BILL OF RIGHTS WHITEWATER POM PARK ON METER ARKANSIDE IRAN CONTRAS OLIVER NORTH VINCE FOSTER PROMIS MOSSAD NASA MI5 ONI CID AK47 M16 C4 MALCOLM X REVOLUTION CHEROKEE HILLARY BILL CLINTON GORE GEORGE BUSH WACKENHUT TERRORIST TASK FORCE 160 SPECIAL OPS 12TH GROUP 5TH GROUP SF You hear those, Echelon? Any of the words should be enough to flag your communication by Echelon--let's see how big their storage capacity REALLY is...VBEG Remember: EVERY day is Jam Echelon day! Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], of course!
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
High, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: Well, I broke my own promise to be a lurker of this list. However, I am just wondering on how do others read this mega list. Is that: d(elete), d, d, and CR once in awhile? Yes. The list has grown in its capacity the last months (300 msg a day?), so it takes a lot of time to read everything. Usually I look at the subject, does it look like something I could answer, or for which I am curious, I read it. Then I follow the thread a while. This is one of the reasons, if not the most important reason, that one should always use a good subject. This changes when I am behind a computer, twisting on my chair. Then I read almost every mail that comes in, but that is not too much. The list is very quiet when it is day here in Europe. Greetz, Sebastiaan
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
Sebastiaan wrote: High, On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: Well, I broke my own promise to be a lurker of this list. However, I am just wondering on how do others read this mega list. Is that: d(elete), d, d, and CR once in awhile? Yes. The list has grown in its capacity the last months (300 msg a day?), so it takes a lot of time to read everything. Usually I look at the subject, does it look like something I could answer, or for which I am curious, I read it. Then I follow the thread a while. This is one of the reasons, if not the most important reason, that one should always use a good subject. Yes, Good subjects are really important. But you can drive this too far, too. Do you remember the thread, where people talked one to the other only in the subject line? (see this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200107/msg00640.html ) This changes when I am behind a computer, twisting on my chair. Then I read almost every mail that comes in, but that is not too much. The list is very quiet when it is day here in Europe. This is really a pity, I have the same problem: Every morning when I come to university and read the list, most questions that I could answer are already answered :( joerg -- Did you know that if you play a Windows 2000 cd backwards, you will hear the voice of Satan? That's nothing! If you play it forward, it'll install Windows 2000.
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 11:09:43PM -0500, Rich Puhek wrote: | dman wrote: | | On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 10:24:31PM -0500, Rich Puhek wrote: | | | Personally, I'm stuck with an NT box at work, so I end up using Netscape | | Not to fear -- mutt works great with cygwin (just patch attachment.c | to use binary mode for opening files or else M$ will screw up the | streams)! I haven't tried fetchmail or procmail though (I ssh to the | school's system like I'm doing now which is Solaris). | | I suppose I could try that. Problem is, I'm really an elm guy for text | mail reader (not too surprising to see a :x at the bottom of my Windows | emails). Of course, now I switched to Maildir/ format, so I'm back to | pine. Anyways, I used to use elm mainly because it was simpler than pine and those were the only console mailers I knew of. Somebody introduced me to mutt one time and I haven't looked for another mailer since. Mutt's author used to be on the elm dev team so mutt has really similar keybindings -- it shouldn't take you any time to get used to it. Mutt uses screen real estate more efficiently than elm, allows multiple folders to receive new mail (that is, it flags the mailbox and the messages as new), and can sort messages by thread. Until you've seen a large list like this sorted by thread, you have no idea how useful a feature it is. Mutt also supports like 4 different mailbox formats too. -D
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 11:09:43PM -0500, Rich Puhek wrote: I suppose I could try that. Problem is, I'm really an elm guy for text mail reader (not too surprising to see a :x at the bottom of my Windows emails). Of course, now I switched to Maildir/ format, so I'm back to pine. Mutt has had native Maildir support for years. Walt pgpct8knedqFK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
dman, I use mutt too, to manage my 1000+ daily messages. The sw is great! dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said thusly on [15/08/01 at 14:49]: Anyways, I used to use elm mainly because it was simpler than pine and those were the only console mailers I knew of. Somebody introduced me to mutt one time and I haven't looked for another mailer since. Mutt's author used to be on the elm dev team so mutt has really similar keybindings -- it shouldn't take you any time to get used to it. Mutt uses screen real estate more efficiently than elm, allows multiple folders to receive new mail (that is, it flags the mailbox and the messages as new), and can sort messages by thread. Until you've seen a large list like this sorted by thread, you have no idea how useful a feature it is. Mutt also supports like 4 different mailbox formats too. -D -- No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. (Aesop)
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:45:15AM -0400, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: | Well, | I broke my own promise to be a lurker of this list. | However, I am just wondering on how do others read this mega list. | Is that: d(elete), d, d, and CR once in awhile? Try also ^d (kill-thread). It's faster than pressing 'd' many times :-). (Are you using mutt or something else?) -D
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
.procmailrc recipie: :0: * ^Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user About 99.9995% effective. On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: Well, I broke my own promise to be a lurker of this list. However, I am just wondering on how do others read this mega list. Is that: d(elete), d, d, and CR once in awhile? OR, procmailing certain paterns... OR, ... Looking forward for insights... -- -- Gaelle T. Morin -- http://www.nawala.net/~gtm -- Sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble - Michelle - 1965 -- -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
John Galt wrote: .procmailrc recipie: :0: * ^Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user About 99.9995% effective. On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Gaelle T. Morin wrote: Um, how about using: X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org instead of the Resent-From? I believe that's what that header is intended for. Of course, not every mailing list has that feature, but for those that do, you're going to have better luck than with Resent-From:, To:, CC:, and similar headers. Personally, I'm stuck with an NT box at work, so I end up using Netscape for email reading. It's a PITA, but better than anything else I've found (Eudora bugs me for some reason, The Bat! costs money, and don't even talk to me about Outlook). I parse all mailing lists (Some of which are even more active than deb-user!) into seperate folders. Then, I can scan through the folders quickly, either by date or by thread. Some things are handy in curses-based environments, but a quick scroll bar in Windows (or, X, I suppose) works pretty well for scanning mailing lists, expecially once you get the feel for the list. --Rich -- _ Rich Puhek ETN Systems Inc. 2125 1st Ave East Hibbing MN 55746 tel: 218.262.1130 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _
Re: META QUESTION: how to read a bulk list (and stay happy :-)
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 10:24:31PM -0500, Rich Puhek wrote: | Personally, I'm stuck with an NT box at work, so I end up using Netscape Not to fear -- mutt works great with cygwin (just patch attachment.c to use binary mode for opening files or else M$ will screw up the streams)! I haven't tried fetchmail or procmail though (I ssh to the school's system like I'm doing now which is Solaris). -D
