Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 23:15, Ryan Tucker wrote: I found in a pronunciation guide in a Greek dictionary that the diphthong ae is pronounced with a long e sound so I think that you should pronounce it demon. or deeemon even -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I found in a pronunciation guide in a Greek dictionary that the diphthong ae is pronounced with a long e sound so I think that you should pronounce it demon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pronunciation of daemon
From: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you met Linus Torvalds, would you call him Lie-nus, the traditional American/Australian pronounciation? You might, but I personally would not as I think it would be rude. His name is pronounced Lee-nus; ... It depends whether you're speaking in English or in Finnish. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hmm. A little worrisome: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy http://www.anonymizer.com/snoop.cgi )
Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:52:35 -0800 (PST), George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] was crying out from somewhere about: Re: pronunciation of daemon grep can download the recording of him saying it from sunsite. grep The same applies to Linux. grep grep No, Hammish. I have heard Linus pronounce Linux several times from only a grep few feet away. He has said it Lin-ux (lin-ucks) and sometimes lin-icks but grep always with the short i sound, not the long e or long i whenever I have grep heard him say it. I've listened to the wav file too, but in my country everyone says it is rinakkusu and it is spelled thus ;( --- Junichi Uekawa, a.k.a. dancer a member of the Dept. of Knowledge Engineering and Computer Science, Doshisha University. ... I pronounce Linux as [Day-bee-enne]
Re: pronunciation of daemon
brian belabored, People with Asian names usually just give up and adopt a new name because the pronunciation of their given name was impossible for non-Asians to reproduce. :) Living in graduate student housing, I was stunned to find (after more than a year) that my friend whose name I couldn't pronounce (and hence remember) who'd moved in to the next building over and the Steve my wife talked about were the same person . . . (Just as the stereotypical Asian confuses 'l' and 'r', non-Asians can't hear the difference in Asian syllables... they no doubt laugh at us for the same sort of thing.) There was a hysterical commercial when Isuzu first started selling in the U.S. The narrator approached Americans and asked them to say Isuzu, at which they invariably failed. At the end, he faced the camera and told us, Don't feel bad. We can't say Chevroway, either. I actually vary on 'daemon'. I use the 'day-mon' pronunciation most of the time, and 'demon' when I want to annoy people. (Works wonders!) gee, [*whistles innocently*], now *I* would never do something just to annoy anyone [*glances around for the lightning*] -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (319) 266-7114http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer.
Re: pronunciation of daemon
-- - Junichi Uekawa, a.k.a. dancer a member of the Dept. of Knowledge Engineering and Computer Science, Doshisha University. ... I pronounce Linux as [Day-bee-enne] What is day-bee-enne? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: pronunciation of daemon
ahhh, it's humour I believe: Day-bee-enne is spelled GNU/Debian. cheers Patrick Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/11/2000 09:51:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-user@lists.debian.org (bcc: Mike Heyes/LincolnFP/BerisfordPlc) Subject: Re: pronunciation of daemon -- - Junichi Uekawa, a.k.a. dancer a member of the Dept. of Knowledge Engineering and Computer Science, Doshisha University. ... I pronounce Linux as [Day-bee-enne] What is day-bee-enne? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: pronunciation of daemon
ahhh, it's humour I believe: Day-bee-enne is spelled GNU/Debian. I called my Debian system Debby Anne. : ) I do pronounce it as debby-in, though. : ) -- Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:4982727 GigaBee Interactive http://www.gigabee.com Join AllAdvantage.com and get paid to surf the Web! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=ARD582
Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 08:56:38PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: but what swayed me was hearing Linus Torvalds pronounce it himself at the Silicon Valley LUG meeting ... what, almost two years ago. He says Lin-icks. Because his name is Linus, pronounced Leenus. Hence Leenux. If you pronounce his name as Lie-nus (as native English speakers would tend to), then Lie-nucks is reasonable -- but wrong. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
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[snip] would tend to), then Lie-nucks is reasonable -- but wrong. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome. Its not wrong. Most English speakers pronounce Linus with a long i. Indeed, people like the scientest Linus Pauling were born and raised using a long i in their names and it would be harsh to tell them they had it wrong all the time. So the pronounciation of Linus and Linux is a question of accent. Finns say it one way; English speakers another; both are equally valid as would any other accent.
Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 09:09:07AM -, Patrick Kirk wrote: all the time. So the pronounciation of Linus and Linux is a question of accent. Finns say it one way; English speakers another; both are equally valid as would any other accent. If you met Linus Torvalds, would you call him Lie-nus, the traditional American/Australian pronounciation? You might, but I personally would not as I think it would be rude. His name is pronounced Lee-nus; you can download the recording of him saying it from sunsite. The same applies to Linux. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB. CCs of replies on mailing lists are welcome.
Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 09:09:07AM -, Patrick Kirk wrote: accent. Finns say it one way; English speakers another; both are equally valid as would any other accent. An old anecdote deserves to be retold in this context. Niklaus Wirth, swiss and inventor of Pascal, on being asked how to pronounce his name, said something like this: pronounced by name is like english 'weird', but pronounced by value it is english 'worth'. Afterthought: only programmers understand this. However there is more. I don't mind my heavy dutch accent. But all the same I try to pronounce my english in a way that the natives (1) understand me (2) don't laugh at me (3) are not distracted from what i say by my pronunciation. It is not always easy, because there are large discrepancies between the spelling and pronunciation of english, as yoy may have discovered yourself. When speaking english I try to find the greatest common divisor. The opinion 'everybody has his accent, so do what you like' is not very helpful in this respect. I think (but who am I) that the following pronunciations have the oldest rights and the largest number of followers: the i in linux not as in 'mind' but as in 'bitter' the ae in daemon not as ea in 'easy' but as the a in 'hate'. egbert -- Egbert Bouwman - Keizersgracht 197 II - 1016 DS Amsterdam - 020 6257991
Re: pronunciation of daemon
Because his name is Linus, pronounced Leenus. Hence Leenux. If you pronounce his name as Lie-nus (as native English speakers would tend to), then Lie-nucks is reasonable -- but wrong. It is pronounced as Leenus in his native country (in many European languages, i's have ee sounds almost exclusively). The Peanuts character, Linus, is pronounced 'Line-us', though, so that's probably why I say Line-ux. I'm pretty sure I read something by Linus where he mentioned the fact that name pronunciations do get translated over in other languages and he was perfectly fine with it. And as has been mentioned here before, it was originally Line-ux and only became Lynn-us because of the press. Personally I don't find this conversation annoying at all as long as people don't insist on a pronunciation when even the ones who grew up in the same city can't agree on how to say 'bagel'. : ) -- Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:4982727 GigaBee Interactive http://www.gigabee.com Join AllAdvantage.com and get paid to surf the Web! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=ARD582
Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 03:16:42PM -0500, Bart Szyszka wrote: Because his name is Linus, pronounced Leenus. Hence Leenux. If you pronounce his name as Lie-nus (as native English speakers would tend to), then Lie-nucks is reasonable -- but wrong. It is pronounced as Leenus in his native country (in many European languages, i's have ee sounds almost exclusively). The Peanuts character, Linus, is pronounced 'Line-us', though, so that's probably why I say Line-ux. I'm pretty sure I read something by Linus where he mentioned the fact that name pronunciations do get translated over in other languages and he was perfectly fine with it. And as has been mentioned here before, it was originally Line-ux and only became Lynn-us because of the press. And people change the pronounciation of their names all the time because of language. The Polish 'Kryzs' is usually 'Chris' to people who emigrate to English-speaking countries (and they sometimes even use both spellings, one to retain their ethnic identity and the other to not confuse the natives on how to pronounce it). People with Asian names usually just give up and adopt a new name because the pronunciation of their given name was impossible for non-Asians to reproduce. (Just as the stereotypical Asian confuses 'l' and 'r', non-Asians can't hear the difference in Asian syllables... they no doubt laugh at us for the same sort of thing.) Of course, most important is that Linus has said he doesn't care how people pronounce 'Linux' either. You can pronounce it 'throat-warbler mangrove' if you wish (though it will no doubt confuse listeners). Personally I don't find this conversation annoying at all as long as people don't insist on a pronunciation when even the ones who grew up in the same city can't agree on how to say 'bagel'. : ) I actually vary on 'daemon'. I use the 'day-mon' pronunciation most of the time, and 'demon' when I want to annoy people. (Works wonders!) -- Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor. Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day. Netscum, Bane of Elves.
Re: pronunciation of daemon, GNOME and GNU
On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:06:56PM +, Colin Watson wrote: The English word gnome has the gn as the first part of knee; in the case of GNOME I pronounce a hard 'g' separated from the 'n', so guh-NOHM (not proper phonetic alphabet, but it should suffice ...), by analogy with GNU. Thanks for your other explanations, but I think GNU introduces a further difficulty. I always thought that GNU should be pronounced as the wildebeest, just as the lion did after he ate a whole herd of gnus: It's twenty minutes past six. This is the end of the news. To my ears that pronuciation makes sense in the pun 'GNU is not UNIX'. However you seem to suggest that, by analogy with GNOME, GNU should be pronounced approximately as guh-new, or maybe as rhyming with canoe, giving guh-noe. egbert -- Egbert Bouwman - Keizersgracht 197 II - 1016 DS Amsterdam - 020 6257991
Re: pronunciation of daemon, GNOME and GNU
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Egbert Bouwman) wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:06:56PM +, Colin Watson wrote: The English word gnome has the gn as the first part of knee; in the case of GNOME I pronounce a hard 'g' separated from the 'n', so guh-NOHM (not proper phonetic alphabet, but it should suffice ...), by analogy with GNU. Thanks for your other explanations, but I think GNU introduces a further difficulty. I always thought that GNU should be pronounced as the wildebeest, just as the lion did after he ate a whole herd of gnus: It's twenty minutes past six. This is the end of the news. Is gnu pronounced with a y-glide, like news (nyooz)? I always thought that it was also pronounced guh-noo (without that glide), but I could be wrong. 'dict gnu' isn't clear. To my ears that pronuciation makes sense in the pun 'GNU is not UNIX'. However you seem to suggest that, by analogy with GNOME, GNU should be pronounced approximately as guh-new, or maybe as rhyming with canoe, giving guh-noe. 'dict gnu' is clear on this one, though: # From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (07Oct99) [foldoc]: # # GNU # # body, project /g*noo/ [...] # From Jargon File (4.0.0/24 July 1996) [jargon]: # # GNU /gnoo/, *not* /noo/ I think the * in the first one indicates a stop, though IANALinguist. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pronunciation of daemon, GNOME and GNU
On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:31:19PM +, Colin Watson wrote: Is gnu pronounced with a y-glide, like news (nyooz)? I always thought that it was also pronounced guh-noo (without that glide), but I could be wrong. 'dict gnu' isn't clear. Chambers gives two pronunciations for gnu (the animal) one identical to new, and the other like noon and noose. It claims the g is silent, but that disagrees with the leading authority on the matter, Flanders and Swann. -- Matt Folwell, Trinity College, Cambridge. CB2 1TQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pronunciation of daemon, GNOME and GNU
If you read the FSF literature, in particular the emacs manual you find they (who chose the Gnu as the mascot) want it pronounced with a distinct GA-Noo (I approximate.) The g is hard, and the rest is like the animal. Cheers David On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Matt Folwell wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 05:31:19PM +, Colin Watson wrote: Is gnu pronounced with a y-glide, like news (nyooz)? I always thought that it was also pronounced guh-noo (without that glide), but I could be wrong. 'dict gnu' isn't clear. Chambers gives two pronunciations for gnu (the animal) one identical to new, and the other like noon and noose. It claims the g is silent, but that disagrees with the leading authority on the matter, Flanders and Swann. -- Matt Folwell, Trinity College, Cambridge. CB2 1TQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (I'm hoping this is all of the above!)
RE: pronunciation of daemon
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For reference...
The New Oxford Dictionary of English says...
daemon (2) /di'[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ (also demon)
noun {Computing} a background process that handles requests for
services such as print spooling and file transfers, and is dormant
when noot required.
Origin: 1980s: perhaps from d(isk) a(nd) e(xecution) mon(itor) or
from de(vice) mon(itor), or merely a transferred use of demon.
N.B. I am using alt.english.usage ASCII equivalents to IPA
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Evan_Kirshenbaum/IPA/faq.html. This
definition tells us that daemon is pronounced how most people
pronounce demon.
Simon.
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Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 01:32:33AM -0500, Simon Law wrote: For reference... The New Oxford Dictionary of English says... daemon (2) /di'[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ (also demon) I don't have this dictionary, and I don't know the meaning of these pronunciation symbols. Remember the non-natives. In dutch the natural pronunciation of ... i is as in pin or deep, a is as in father, e is as in bed or bad (nearly the same sound to us), or hate, all depending on their environment. So tell me: the e in demon as in hate, deep or lemon, the ae in daemon as in hate, deep or lemon, the e in debian as in bed, hate, or deep, the gn in gnome as the first part of knee, genius or gentle, the i in variable as in like or pink, the g in integer as in get or gipsy, the i in inetd as in like or pink, the i in init.d (the first one) as in like or pink. Actually my list is much longer, but this is not bed for a start. egbert -- Egbert Bouwman - Keizersgracht 197 II - 1016 DS Amsterdam - 020 6257991
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Egbert Bouwman) wrote: [OT, but anyway ...] On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 01:32:33AM -0500, Simon Law wrote: For reference... The New Oxford Dictionary of English says... daemon (2) /di'[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ (also demon) I don't have this dictionary, and I don't know the meaning of these pronunciation symbols. Hence the link provided in the post to which you replied ... So tell me: the e in demon as in hate, deep or lemon, deep. the ae in daemon as in hate, deep or lemon, Some have suggested hate, Simon's dictionary suggests deep. the e in debian as in bed, hate, or deep, bed. (Derived from Debra (sp?) Murdock.) the gn in gnome as the first part of knee, genius or gentle, The English word gnome has the gn as the first part of knee; in the case of GNOME I pronounce a hard 'g' separated from the 'n', so guh-NOHM (not proper phonetic alphabet, but it should suffice ...), by analogy with GNU. the i in variable as in like or pink, Neither; as in deep. (Derived from vary.) the g in integer as in get or gipsy, gipsy. (The following 'e' causes the 'g' to be pronounced like a 'j'.) the i in inetd as in like or pink, I use like - eye-net-dee. (Short for InterNET Daemon, so I separate the 'i' and the 'd'.) the i in init.d (the first one) as in like or pink. Closer to pink, but that isn't a good example word because the final 'k' (a velar, according to that FAQ?) modifies the preceding vowel significantly. 'pin' would be better. (Short for initialization.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pronunciation of daemon
On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 04:47:13PM -, Pollywog wrote: On 25-Jan-2000 Brian J. Stults wrote: Silly, but... How do you pronounce daemon? I thought it was pronounced day-mun, but an online dictionary I checked said it had the same pronunciation as demon. I pronounce it demon but I have heard a few people pronounce it day-mun. Since they also say Lie-nucks, I went with demon. :) I'm really screwed up, then. I use day-mon to distinguish from demon, but I also use Linnix, because I know of the comparison to Minix. -- If you continue running Windows, your system may become unstable. -- Windows 95 BSOD Dwayne C. Litzenberger - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. Advertising Policy: http://www.redrival.com/dlitz/spamoff.html GnuPG Public Key: http://www.redrival.com/dlitz/gpgkey.asc Fingerprint: 0535 F7CF FF5F 8547 E5A5 695E 4456 FB6C BC39 A4B0 pgpDiY7vQYEqd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pronunciation of daemon
Hi Brendan, Am 25 Jan 00, um 11:54 schrieb Brendan Cully: People who pronounce it Lie-nucks have probably just been using it since before the Great Pronunciation Controversy... ... or may just be coming from an other country ;-) Friedemann
Re: pronunciation of daemon
At 11:35 AM 1/25/00 -0500, Brian J. Stults wrote: Silly, but... How do you pronounce daemon? I thought it was pronounced day-mun, but an online dictionary I checked said it had the same pronunciation as demon. I've always pronounced it day-mun. No reason why. I guess if you look at other words with the ae combo (like algae) the pronunciation is more clear (maybe?). That's gonna be a hard habit to break. As for Linux, I pronounce it with the short 'i'. I think it has to do with how the name Linus is pronounced around the world. Since Linus pronounces his name with the short 'i', I pronounce Linux with a short 'i'. -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chula Vista, CA
Re: pronunciation of daemon
Dwayne C . Litzenberger wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 04:47:13PM -, Pollywog wrote: On 25-Jan-2000 Brian J. Stults wrote: Silly, but... How do you pronounce daemon? I thought it was pronounced day-mun, but an online dictionary I checked said it had the same pronunciation as demon. I pronounce it demon but I have heard a few people pronounce it day-mun. Since they also say Lie-nucks, I went with demon. :) (Somewhat OT, but may be of interest:) It should be day-mon to distinguish it from demon - the original word is Ancient Greek. A daemon was what we would describe as a supernatural being, and could bring good or bad misfortune/luck to a person. Some daimons watched over/guarded human beings (the origin of the much later idea of guardian angel), their homes and families, as some were associated with particular, often sacred, places. In Greek literature, a person is often said to have a lucky or an unlucky daimon. The Sphinx of ancient Greek legend was a hostile daemon. Demon is a much later word, associated with Christian theology.
Re: pronunciation of daemon
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RE: pronunciation of daemon
On 25-Jan-2000 Brian J. Stults wrote: Silly, but... How do you pronounce daemon? I thought it was pronounced day-mun, but an online dictionary I checked said it had the same pronunciation as demon. I pronounce it demon but I have heard a few people pronounce it day-mun. Since they also say Lie-nucks, I went with demon. :) -- Andrew
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On Tuesday, 25 January 2000 at 16:47, Pollywog wrote: On 25-Jan-2000 Brian J. Stults wrote: Silly, but... How do you pronounce daemon? I thought it was pronounced day-mun, but an online dictionary I checked said it had the same pronunciation as demon. I pronounce it demon but I have heard a few people pronounce it day-mun. Since they also say Lie-nucks, I went with demon. :) Both of those are legitimate, if old-fashioned, pronunciations. People who pronounce it Lie-nucks have probably just been using it since before the Great Pronunciation Controversy...
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Pollywog said: I pronounce it demon but I have heard a few people pronounce it day-mun. Since they also say Lie-nucks, I went with demon. :) Then there are a few demented souls (like me) who say demon and lie-nucks - you can't escape that easily! -- Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P L++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv- b++ DI D G e* h+ r++ y+
