Re: recommend mp3 encoder
I used to compress @ 224 or 256 kbps with bladeenc, but now that I've been using lame instead, I encode at 128 kbps and end up with files that are quite a bit smaller and sound just as good. Lame also allows for variable rate encoding which for many songs lets me drop the bitrate down to 112 kbps and still maintain the same audio quality. Sean Stephan Hachinger wrote: Hello! IMHO, encoding with more than 128 kbps makes sense. I use bladeenc, which offers much better sound quality at 160 or 256 kbps. At 128, I can hear the blips clearly (maybe because of BladeEnc). Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger - Original Message - From: Martin Fluch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arcady Genkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: Re: recommend mp3 encoder -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Thomas Keusch wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 03:55:55PM -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. AFAIK encoding with mor then 128kBps doesn't make sense, since there is no significant change in quality anymore... Martin - -- Where do you want to go today? - As far from Redmond as possible! For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBODmt4rCGSMW7I2etAQH8AwP/apwHnq0iruGDQkGLpAV25oOJl817HG+i zHM9F8NSVXcYLMLSDUGrWNRLblNSvFAgJP51dVHx7DwRKJyM5At6DUY0zg7KZypV /209yINlzG5pGf/a0Jmq51rnBnKg1fgj/0/P1M2UufNwNZqeZTjiad4NECVjvlbN ONHcQ1SKNoE= =UOQ1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
Dumb question - could anyone give me an idiots walk-through of installing LAME? It's probably somewhere simple, but all the stuff about LAME won't even compile by itself on the web page put me off. And of course there's no package for it... Thanks very much in advance, Stuart. Sean Johnson wrote: I used to compress @ 224 or 256 kbps with bladeenc, but now that I've been using lame instead, I encode at 128 kbps and end up with files that are quite a bit smaller and sound just as good. Lame also allows for variable rate encoding which for many songs lets me drop the bitrate down to 112 kbps and still maintain the same audio quality. Sean Stephan Hachinger wrote: Hello! IMHO, encoding with more than 128 kbps makes sense. I use bladeenc, which offers much better sound quality at 160 or 256 kbps. At 128, I can hear the blips clearly (maybe because of BladeEnc).
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
Go here: ftp://geek.rcc.se/pub/mp3encoder/lame/ Grab the latest one (3.51 as of 11/24/99). Untar-unzip the .tar.gz file cd lame3.51 make (as root) make install You may need to edit the Makefile, but I did not on my system. Sean Stuart Ballard wrote: Dumb question - could anyone give me an idiots walk-through of installing LAME? It's probably somewhere simple, but all the stuff about LAME won't even compile by itself on the web page put me off. And of course there's no package for it... Thanks very much in advance, Stuart. Sean Johnson wrote: I used to compress @ 224 or 256 kbps with bladeenc, but now that I've been using lame instead, I encode at 128 kbps and end up with files that are quite a bit smaller and sound just as good. Lame also allows for variable rate encoding which for many songs lets me drop the bitrate down to 112 kbps and still maintain the same audio quality. Sean
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--- Stuart Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Scharf wrote: About the only choice these days is bladeenc. Due to patent issues it is probably NOT available in a .deb, at least not on the debian ftp site. However you can get it from Tord's home page (I don't recall the url, but you can find it on freshmeat or linuxberg). It is now licensed under the lgpl so the source is available. Bladeenc is a high quality encoder that excels at 128, 256, and 320bps encoding, AND is fast too! I wondered about this. Since it's a patent issue and most other countries don't accept software patents, why can't mp3 encoders be included in non-US? Thanks, Stuart. I don't know how many countries deny software patents, but Sweeden does at least as that is where the Bladeenc web site is. Tord had to consult with a lawyer to find out what to do when Franhaufer came knocking on his door. His response was, NOT HERE! No word what Franhaufer's response was. The reason he licensed under the LGPL instead of the GPL was to divorce any dependancies of his software upon where it was used, just in case. A debian non-us site in Sweeden might work. BTW at last look I saw the source to Bladeenc on Stampede Linux's ftp site. Maybe they just don't care. (or haven't heard from Framhaufer yet). = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
Hello! IMHO, encoding with more than 128 kbps makes sense. I use bladeenc, which offers much better sound quality at 160 or 256 kbps. At 128, I can hear the blips clearly (maybe because of BladeEnc). Kind Regards, Stephan Hachinger - Original Message - From: Martin Fluch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arcady Genkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: Re: recommend mp3 encoder -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Thomas Keusch wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 03:55:55PM -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. AFAIK encoding with mor then 128kBps doesn't make sense, since there is no significant change in quality anymore... Martin - -- Where do you want to go today? - As far from Redmond as possible! For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBODmt4rCGSMW7I2etAQH8AwP/apwHnq0iruGDQkGLpAV25oOJl817HG+i zHM9F8NSVXcYLMLSDUGrWNRLblNSvFAgJP51dVHx7DwRKJyM5At6DUY0zg7KZypV /209yINlzG5pGf/a0Jmq51rnBnKg1fgj/0/P1M2UufNwNZqeZTjiad4NECVjvlbN ONHcQ1SKNoE= =UOQ1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
On Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 10:23:45AM -0800, wrote: About the only choice these days is bladeenc. Due to patent issues it is probably NOT available in a .deb, at least not on the debian ftp site. However you can get it from Tord's home page (I don't recall the url, but you can find it on freshmeat or linuxberg). It is now licensed under the lgpl so the source is available. Bladeenc is a high quality encoder that excels at 128, 256, and 320bps encoding, AND is fast too! Actually I've found that I like LAME a lot better. It is released as a patch to the ISO encoder sample code, but even so is not hard to get working. You can find it, and more information about it at http://www.sulaco.org/mp3/ I've found it to be about par with BladeEnc for quality and speed. (Maybe a little faster). If you are on an x86, and have 'nasm' installed (there are .deb's) you can also grab a copy of the source to GOGO, an version of LAME with the key routines rewritten in assembly. This one is about four times faster than any other encoder I've used, with the same quality as LAME, especially so if your cpu does MMX or 3DNow! you can find it at: http://www.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~shigeo/gogo_e.html Cheers, John -- .-, |John P. May | What's the use of a good quotation | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | if you can't change it?| | http://www.math.ncsu.edu/~jpmay |-- Dr. Who | `-' Key Fingerprint: 6BEB 35EB 569B A794 4958 A817 76AA 7EF4 1D4F 7766 pgp005bBZFeJM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
As Remco Nathan already told you, BladeEncoder is very good: it sticks closely to the ISO standard, contrary to Frauenhoffer, which is a bit better in low streams, but not very good in hi streams. Well, To use a really free MP3 encoder is impossible, so LAME (www.sulaco.org/lame) is better than BladeEnc in almost every subjective listening test, staying behind only of mp3enc (FhG) and Xing. BladeEnc produces some bad artifacts when you use bitrates lower than 168Kbps. FhG at 256Kbs has no audible differences from source to MP3. Taupter
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
The quality of the encoder -engines- are in order: Fraunhoffer (spelling correct?) Xing ISO However, the quality differences are only noticeable by -very- high trained professionals or with oscilloscopes. Regards, Onno At 03:55 PM 11/20/99 -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: Hi all: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. Thanks for any input. -- Arcady Genkinhttp://wgaf.dyndns.org 'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who loves man is nailed?..' (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Onno wrote: ebbin2 However, the quality differences are only noticeable ebbin2 by -very- high trained professionals or with oscilloscopes. i cant tell the diff between 96kbps (what i use on my rio) and 128kbps (on my pc) ! doh! heheh nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 7:54am up 94 days, 19:30, 1 user, load average: 1.51, 1.81, 1.98
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 03:55:55PM -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. Go with Fraunhofer's mp3enc (commercial) if possible, else get a copy of LAME (said to be good). Tomorrow's c't (german computer magazine) features a comparison between LAME, mp3enc, XING encoder and bladenc. Bladenc doesn't cut it, it seems, while mp3enc seems to be the reference in audio quality, with LAME being a good alternative choice. -- thomas..powered.by.debian/linux. .served.by.FreeBSD.
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On Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 07:56:03AM -0800, aphro wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Onno wrote: ebbin2 However, the quality differences are only noticeable ebbin2 by -very- high trained professionals or with oscilloscopes. i cant tell the diff between 96kbps (what i use on my rio) and 128kbps (on my pc) ! doh! heheh nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- -very- high trained professionalhttp://heehee.org Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 7:54am up 94 days, 19:30, 1 user, load average: 1.51, 1.81, 1.98 But you're a very highly trained professional -- it says so in your email signature. Rob -- Reputation, adj.: What others are not thinking about you.
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Thomas Keusch wrote: On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 03:55:55PM -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. AFAIK encoding with mor then 128kBps doesn't make sense, since there is no significant change in quality anymore... Martin - -- Where do you want to go today? - As far from Redmond as possible! For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBODmt4rCGSMW7I2etAQH8AwP/apwHnq0iruGDQkGLpAV25oOJl817HG+i zHM9F8NSVXcYLMLSDUGrWNRLblNSvFAgJP51dVHx7DwRKJyM5At6DUY0zg7KZypV /209yINlzG5pGf/a0Jmq51rnBnKg1fgj/0/P1M2UufNwNZqeZTjiad4NECVjvlbN ONHcQ1SKNoE= =UOQ1 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
Kenneth Scharf wrote: About the only choice these days is bladeenc. Due to patent issues it is probably NOT available in a .deb, at least not on the debian ftp site. However you can get it from Tord's home page (I don't recall the url, but you can find it on freshmeat or linuxberg). It is now licensed under the lgpl so the source is available. Bladeenc is a high quality encoder that excels at 128, 256, and 320bps encoding, AND is fast too! I wondered about this. Since it's a patent issue and most other countries don't accept software patents, why can't mp3 encoders be included in non-US? Thanks, Stuart.
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On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 03:55:55PM -0500, Arcady Genkin wrote: Hi all: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. As Remco Nathan already told you, BladeEncoder is very good: it sticks closely to the ISO standard, contrary to Frauenhoffer, which is a bit better in low streams, but not very good in hi streams. JY -- Jean-Yves F. Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Macintosh is Xerox technology at its best.
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
* Arcady Genkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? LAME is said to be the best-quality free encoder. http://www.sulaco.org/mp3 I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. Why not using variable bitrate? The LAME people still consider VBR beta, but it has worked fine with me. -- | Re: Kernel size is 666K! I kid you not! | by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 26, @08:50AM | I came home from a Barry Manilow concert once and had 666 burned into | my forehead! I shit you not![Kernel 2.2.0 is announced on /.]
Re: recommend mp3 encoder
GOGO: http://www.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~shigeo/gogo_e.html BladeEnc: http://hem.bredband.net/tord/ encode: ftp://wopr.campus.luth.se/pub/mpeg_layer_3/ I am sure BladeEnc can do it. HTH, Remco On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 15:55, Arcady Genkin wrote: Hi all: I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. Thanks for any input. -- Arcady Genkinhttp://wgaf.dyndns.org 'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who loves man is nailed?..' (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) -- Marxist samizdat Kennedy KFOR NORAD CIA FNLC Peking DES explosion arrangements Kropotkin social domestic disruption SEAL Team 6 Desi Bouterse
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On 20 Nov 1999, Arcady Genkin wrote: : Hi all: : : I'm looking for the highest compression quality possible. I don't care : about speed (nor about interface) at all. Is there anything compareable : to Fraunhoffer encoder under win32 for Linux? : : I'll be encoding wavs into 256 KBps mp3's. BladeENC is what I use ... currently at http://hem.bredband.net/tord/ -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
