Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:56, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:18, Dotan Cohen wrote: sidenote: this year has had probably the worst participation since I've started this poll in 2005 :-( >>> >>> I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? >>> >>> my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of >>> traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. >>> >> >> My guess would be the popularity of Ubuntu. Much of the pie went >> there. As Ubuntu is Debian-derived, how about doing the poll there as >> well? > > I actually once did, but am sure I'll be swamped if I try now - Ubuntu > is massive! It would be nice though to compare the response > (favourites) from both camps. I'll limit myself to Debian for now; > maybe next year :-( Dotan ran the poll at ubuntu-user and I was surprised that the response didn't seem any better (unless Dotan has received a number of private replies, which I did). If so, I suppose then that hoards of *buntu users prefer the forums. -- my place on the web: floss-and-misc.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
>>> Me neither. I didn't participate because there wasn't a web based >>> app. It's not like there isn't any FOSS web based poll software >>> available ... >> >> Out of interest, why? This seems to me like odd grounds on which to not >> participate. > > I don't post/read this list with e-mail software. > You are invited to copy and paste the answers to this form: http://dotancohen.com/eng/message.php I am writing the web interface, but it is not done yet. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
>> I, for one, probably wouldn't have participated if I had to open a web >> browser. I certainly wouldn't have participated if I had to register. > > It would be useful if you can choose both methods (mail and doodle > like system) > They will both be supported, and no, there will be no need to register! If there are other preferred interfaces, let me know and I will consider it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:21:00 +, Avi Greenbury in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: > S. Fishpaste wrote: >> Me neither. I didn't participate because there wasn't a web based >> app. It's not like there isn't any FOSS web based poll software >> available ... > > Out of interest, why? This seems to me like odd grounds on which to not > participate. I don't post/read this list with e-mail software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
> Hi, are there possibilies to do this survey using a internet-based > user interface. I think, this might give more up-to-date information. > Next year's survey will almost certainly be web-based. I am collaborating with Tshepang on this. In the meantime, to keep one's answers off the archived web, he can email them to me. Or, to secure his email address (which I promise would remain safe to the best of my ability) he can use this form to copy and send the survey: http://dotancohen.com/eng/message.php The Email field of that form is NOT required. Users are invited to submit via that form and the Tor proxy to ensure complete anonymity. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
S. Fishpaste wrote: > Me neither. I didn't participate because there wasn't a web based > app. It's not like there isn't any FOSS web based poll software > available ... Out of interest, why? This seems to me like odd grounds on which to not participate. -- Avi Greenbury http://aviswebsite.co.uk ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:15:54 +0100, Javier Barroso in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: > I think that a webapp can do the hard work of recollect all the data > from people that doesn't dislike webapps and then a poor human can > translate from email replies to the database and get stats from both. > > I don't like the mail chains ... :) and don't like to webapps ... so > it would be useful to have a cli interface to such task ! :) Me neither. I didn't participate because there wasn't a web based app. It's not like there isn't any FOSS web based poll software available ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In , Gabor Urban > wrote: >>Hi, are there possibilies to do this survey using a internet-based >>user interface. > > It has used email traveling over the Internet since it's inception. That's an > Internet-based user interface in my book. > > Is it possible your mean "web-based"? That's still a bad term, since people's > definitions of "the web" seems to vary from person to person, but usually > includes HTTP, HTTPS, HTML, CSS, ECMAScript, and various image and font > standards, with possibly a bit of Flash. > > I, for one, probably wouldn't have participated if I had to open a web > browser. I certainly wouldn't have participated if I had to register. It would be useful if you can choose both methods (mail and doodle like system) I think that a webapp can do the hard work of recollect all the data from people that doesn't dislike webapps and then a poor human can translate from email replies to the database and get stats from both. I don't like the mail chains ... :) and don't like to webapps ... so it would be useful to have a cli interface to such task ! :) Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
In , Gabor Urban wrote: >Hi, are there possibilies to do this survey using a internet-based >user interface. It has used email traveling over the Internet since it's inception. That's an Internet-based user interface in my book. Is it possible your mean "web-based"? That's still a bad term, since people's definitions of "the web" seems to vary from person to person, but usually includes HTTP, HTTPS, HTML, CSS, ECMAScript, and various image and font standards, with possibly a bit of Flash. I, for one, probably wouldn't have participated if I had to open a web browser. I certainly wouldn't have participated if I had to register. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
> Isn't it a good thing? I think it is amazingly good. Take a look at all > those questions asked in the Ubuntu forum, >90% are tasteless. What's > worse, (have you flipped down several index pages?), the questions on the > 4th or 5th pages are just asked hours ago! I think the "huge success" of > Ubuntu is becoming the huge disaster for it at the same time. With such > huge traffic, any question that need a little more thinking would be > neglected. > > I recently asked a question there, and on noticing the above fact, I > didn't even bother to bump up my question. Why bother? Several hours > later it will end up on 6th pages again. > That is precicely why the quality of the Debian list has improved. The gurus know that thier important question will be over the Ubuntites' heads, and they ask here. For me, it comes down to this: Trivial questions that google should have answered but didn't: Ubuntu list Tough questions that require specialized knowledge: Debian list Software recomendations and hardware problems: Fedora list The probelm with that approach is that I tend to bikeshed on the Debian list as I try to help where I can, but my personal knowledge is below the list average. But I read and experiment a lot, so I learn. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:51:31 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: >>> my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of >>> traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. >> >> This seem to back that up. >> >> http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-user.png > > Thanks for the link. Did you however notice that membership is at an > all-time high? Good sign according to me. Yeah, I hold that view as well. > I think the quality of > questions are also rising (cursory observation) I feel the same (can't back it up). > so maybe more newbies > are running to Ubuntu. Isn't it a good thing? I think it is amazingly good. Take a look at all those questions asked in the Ubuntu forum, >90% are tasteless. What's worse, (have you flipped down several index pages?), the questions on the 4th or 5th pages are just asked hours ago! I think the "huge success" of Ubuntu is becoming the huge disaster for it at the same time. With such huge traffic, any question that need a little more thinking would be neglected. I recently asked a question there, and on noticing the above fact, I didn't even bother to bump up my question. Why bother? Several hours later it will end up on 6th pages again. -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:01:53 -0500
Tim Tebbit wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >
> > My guess would be the popularity of Ubuntu. Much of the pie went
> > there. As Ubuntu is Debian-derived, how about doing the poll there as
> > well?
> >
>
> Out of curiosity I extracted unique email address from ubuntu-users.mbox
> available from their archive site. The archive starts 15 Sep 2004, and I
> found 10,809 unique address give or take a few my patterns missed.
>
> I'm sure their current subscription is not that high, and I was not able
> to find a mbox for debian-user ( a good thing ) to see what debian had
> over the same time period for comparison.
As you say, a good thing ;) Here's a harvester to go through an mbox
file and print out all the 'froms' found (requires Mail::MboxParser -
install libmail-mboxparser-perl):
#! /usr/bin/perl -w
# usage: 'harvester.pl mbox'
# prints all values of 'from' lines in 'mbox'
# to do useful things with this, you'll probably want to pipe the output
# through sort, and sometimes uniq, e.g.:
# 'harvester.pl mbox | sort | uniq | wc -l' - count the number of unique
# addresses found (not entirely accurate, since there can be multiple
# equivalent variations of the same address
use Mail::MboxParser;
my $parseropts = {
enable_cache=> 1,
enable_grep => 1,
cache_file_name => '/tmp/harvester-cache-file',
};
my $mb = Mail::MboxParser->new(shift, decode => 'ALL', parseropts =>
$parseropts);
while (my $msg = $mb->next_message) {print $msg->header->{from}, "\n"}
Celejar
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Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
Dotan Cohen wrote: > > My guess would be the popularity of Ubuntu. Much of the pie went > there. As Ubuntu is Debian-derived, how about doing the poll there as > well? > Out of curiosity I extracted unique email address from ubuntu-users.mbox available from their archive site. The archive starts 15 Sep 2004, and I found 10,809 unique address give or take a few my patterns missed. I'm sure their current subscription is not that high, and I was not able to find a mbox for debian-user ( a good thing ) to see what debian had over the same time period for comparison. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:01:20 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Would you like me to do it? I am rather active on the Ubuntu and > >> Kubuntu lists. I have no problem taking responsibility for those > >> lists every year, and you keep up the good work with Debian. What > >> do you say? > > > > magnificent! when u going to start it? I'm going to re-subscribe > > right now just for the poll! > > > > Go subscribe, I'll post in about ten minutes. > Ah, handy! I managed to miss this on here, so I'll await its appearance on the dark side. -- Avi Greenbury http://aviswebsite.co.uk ;) http://aviswebsite.co.uk/asking-questions -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
>> Would you like me to do it? I am rather active on the Ubuntu and >> Kubuntu lists. I have no problem taking responsibility for those lists >> every year, and you keep up the good work with Debian. What do you >> say? > > magnificent! when u going to start it? I'm going to re-subscribe right > now just for the poll! > Go subscribe, I'll post in about ten minutes. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:25, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I actually once did, but am sure I'll be swamped if I try now - Ubuntu >> is massive! It would be nice though to compare the response >> (favourites) from both camps. I'll limit myself to Debian for now; >> maybe next year :-( >> > > Would you like me to do it? I am rather active on the Ubuntu and > Kubuntu lists. I have no problem taking responsibility for those lists > every year, and you keep up the good work with Debian. What do you > say? magnificent! when u going to start it? I'm going to re-subscribe right now just for the poll! -- my place on the web: floss-and-misc.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
> I actually once did, but am sure I'll be swamped if I try now - Ubuntu > is massive! It would be nice though to compare the response > (favourites) from both camps. I'll limit myself to Debian for now; > maybe next year :-( > Would you like me to do it? I am rather active on the Ubuntu and Kubuntu lists. I have no problem taking responsibility for those lists every year, and you keep up the good work with Debian. What do you say? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:18, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> sidenote: >>> this year has had probably the worst participation since I've started >>> this poll in 2005 :-( >> >> I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? >> >> my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of >> traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. >> > > My guess would be the popularity of Ubuntu. Much of the pie went > there. As Ubuntu is Debian-derived, how about doing the poll there as > well? I actually once did, but am sure I'll be swamped if I try now - Ubuntu is massive! It would be nice though to compare the response (favourites) from both camps. I'll limit myself to Debian for now; maybe next year :-( -- my place on the web: floss-and-misc.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 03:31, Tim Tebbit wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >> >> I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? >> >> my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of >> traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. > > This seem to back that up. > > http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-user.png Thanks for the link. Did you however notice that membership is at an all-time high? Good sign according to me. I think the quality of questions are also rising (cursory observation) so maybe more newbies are running to Ubuntu. -- my place on the web: floss-and-misc.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 20:31 -0500, Tim Tebbit wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > > > I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? > > > > my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of > > traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. > > This seem to back that up. > > http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-user.png > > Perhaps http://forums.debian.net/ took the traffic. That seems to have started at the end of 2004 - about the same time the debian-user list trafic began to decline. -- Jon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
>> sidenote: >> this year has had probably the worst participation since I've started >> this poll in 2005 :-( > > I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? > > my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of > traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. > My guess would be the popularity of Ubuntu. Much of the pie went there. As Ubuntu is Debian-derived, how about doing the poll there as well? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:31:47PM -0500, Tim Tebbit wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > > > I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? > > > > my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of > > traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. > > This seem to back that up. > > http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-user.png first of all, thanks for a great link. moving one up in the directory is amazing! And it seems to be the same across most of the more active lists. I thought perhaps amd64 was getting some of the traffic with the rise in that architecture, but no, it is falling as well. Interesting. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? > > my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of > traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. This seem to back that up. http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-user.png -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS (2009)
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:07:21PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > Hi, > > Following is the results of a poll that has been running for over a > week, one which questions readers of debian-user to list their > favourite FLOSS -> Free (Libre) or Open Source Software. [...] > > sidenote: > this year has had probably the worst participation since I've started > this poll in 2005 :-( I noticed that as well. Kinda sad. Any thoughts as to why? my .02 is that the list doesn't seem to have quite the breadth of traffic it has had before. But that's a cursory observation at best. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
