Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 11 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 01:03, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: On 10 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn it off - Option DRI false does nothing. There are also some odd keyboard effects now - I can no longer stop X with Ctrl-Alt-Del. That is a change that Ubuntu convinced upstream to do, to get it back: Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection I don't know about the rest, except that disabling dri will almost certainly make things slower. It sounds like a regression that affects both drivers... I guess file a bug against one of the drivers or against xserver, they can always reassign it if they need to. Or ask on the xorg mailing list. Thanks to you and Andrei for suggestions. I have now got Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again. But disabling dri (and glx, also needed) didn't help with the display on full screen. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 12 Apr 2009, Anthony Campbell wrote: Thanks to you and Andrei for suggestions. I have now got Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again. But disabling dri (and glx, also needed) didn't help with the display on full screen. Actually, ctrl-alt-backspace has stopped working again! No idea why; DontZap False is shown correctly in Xorg.log.0. I also can't use the alt keys as shortcuts in Firefox, though they do work in other circumstances. There are odd things going on with X since the upgrade. I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 12 Apr 2009, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 12 Apr 2009, Anthony Campbell wrote: Thanks to you and Andrei for suggestions. I have now got Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again. But disabling dri (and glx, also needed) didn't help with the display on full screen. Actually, ctrl-alt-backspace has stopped working again! No idea why; DontZap False is shown correctly in Xorg.log.0. I also can't use the alt keys as shortcuts in Firefox, though they do work in other circumstances. There are odd things going on with X since the upgrade. I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. Anthony Apologies for all this following up to my own posts, but I found what I'd done: an xmodmap command I'd inserted to make Alt_R the same as Alt_L was blocking ctrl-alt-del. Not sure why - I'll have to work on it. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 09:29:25AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: Hi, I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. It's possible but requires some 'force'. ;) Warning: You shouldn't do this within a running X instance. a) Remove all xserver-xorg packages. b) Download x11-common 7.3+18 from your mirror of choice and dpkg -i --force-all it into the system. c) Switch your sources.list to testing for the moment. d) Install the xserver-xorg packages you removed with a) again. e) Maybe set the xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video package to hold if it works. No guarantee though. Sven -- forevermore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 12 Apr 2009, Sven Hoexter wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 09:29:25AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: Hi, I'd revert if I could but I don't think it's possible. It's possible but requires some 'force'. ;) Warning: You shouldn't do this within a running X instance. a) Remove all xserver-xorg packages. b) Download x11-common 7.3+18 from your mirror of choice and dpkg -i --force-all it into the system. c) Switch your sources.list to testing for the moment. d) Install the xserver-xorg packages you removed with a) again. e) Maybe set the xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video package to hold if it works. No guarantee though. Sven -- Many thanks for this. I tried yesterday but omitted step b, so it didn't work. If I can get my courage up perhaps I'll try again. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On 10 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn it off - Option DRI false does nothing. There are also some odd keyboard effects now - I can no longer stop X with Ctrl-Alt-Del. This is with an ATI Mobility X1400, incidentally. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Sat,11.Apr.09, 09:03:59, Anthony Campbell wrote: Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn it off - Option DRI false does nothing. There are also some odd Hope this helps: ,[ xserver-xorg-core/NEWS.Debian.gz ] | * This server update includes a patch to enable proper module defaults in | the server. A default set of modules will be loaded unless you | specifically specify that they don't load. You may do this in the module | section of your xorg.conf using the Disable instruction. Note that | this will only override the default, not an explicit Load. ` Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 01:03, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: On 10 Apr 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. Yes, radeonhd is back now but using it doesn't help. I tried various options without improvement. I notice that DRI is enabled and I thought that might be the problem, but for some reason it is impossible to turn it off - Option DRI false does nothing. There are also some odd keyboard effects now - I can no longer stop X with Ctrl-Alt-Del. That is a change that Ubuntu convinced upstream to do, to get it back: Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection I don't know about the rest, except that disabling dri will almost certainly make things slower. It sounds like a regression that affects both drivers... I guess file a bug against one of the drivers or against xserver, they can always reassign it if they need to. Or ask on the xorg mailing list. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: xorg upgrade in Sid causes jerky display
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:21, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: After today's upgrade of a lot of xorg stuff in Sid my full-screen display of TV is jerky, as is Googlearth. This is on a Thinkpad Z61M. I was using the radeonhd driver previously; I now have the upgraded radeon driver since radeonhd was removed. I don't know what to report a bug report for - the radeon driver or xserver-xorg. Anyone else seeing this? I see RadeonHD in my sid repos, but if you are using radeon now I guess you might as well report it in that driver. But before you do that, have you tried some of the various tweaks? I don't know which ones are currently relevant (I am on Intel now), but there used to be lots, from specifying exa or xaa to things like nooffscreenpixmaps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
