Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 02:36:03 +0300, Stayvoid wrote in message cak5fs_ei7fm69ruruuxwttb8sd2ufgsystu1wre9pxkgqno...@mail.gmail.com: This suggests something is missing from your kernel. ..firmware? arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |grep firmware-linux ii firmware-linux 0.35 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (meta-package) ii firmware-linux-free 3 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel ii firmware-linux-nonfree 0.35 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel arnt@celsius:~$ Could you be more specific? Will it help if I paste my .config? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120305225331.15447...@nb6.lan
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
..firmware? arnt@celsius:~$ dpkg -l |grep firmware-linux ii firmware-linux 0.35 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (meta-package) ii firmware-linux-free 3 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel ii firmware-linux-nonfree 0.35 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel Here is mine: ii firmware-linux-free 2.6.32-35+gnewsense1 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_Hgbyx3S+8B5yxcPgYzr4q1x97+1f8R9Wv9=rtjj8x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Hello. It worked! I ran apt-get update; apt-get -f upgrade; apt-get install xorg. Now I want to find out which packages are really needed. Because xorg installed a lot of stuff. Thanks for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_gxp9jwz37-9fuastmernmoxydfiok_pec674dnkny...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Earlier you mentioned http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting did you check the section that applies to this error? http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting#Xorg_fails_to_start_with_.22.28EE.29_.5Bdrm.5D_failed_to_open_device.22 This guide wasn't helpful. modprobe nouveau outputs nothing and there is no nouveau module in the output of lsmod. But nouveau appears in the output of lspci -vv. At this point I can only guess there is some mismatch between your kernel and Xorg. I would suggest you try to reproduce this on a pure Debian install[1][2], but if it works there is not much more we can do. [1] you mentioned using gNewSense [2] you are of course aware that Debian with only 'main' is free Kernel: Linux-libre 3.2.4; Xorg: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1. I don't know how to check the versions of libdrm and nouveau DRM. And I have no idea which ones are compatible. Someone told me that I could check it this way: $ grep DRICreatePCIBusID /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri* Here is the output: Binary file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so matches I don't know how to reinstall the whole system quickly or how to install it harmlessly for the main system. (Could you provide a guide on this?) It took me a lot of time to setup the current system. And I don't really want to install Debain. [a] Let's try to fix it in gNewSense. (My version is based on Squeeze.) I'd also tried to ask gNewSense guys. [b] Cheers [a] http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html [b] http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2012-02/msg00011.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_H__-xuNp3skQpoDiT_k4TP1iiqOERdf2i=pnc7vf7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Mi, 29 feb 12, 23:48:22, Stayvoid wrote: This guide wasn't helpful. modprobe nouveau outputs nothing and there is no nouveau module in the output of lsmod. But nouveau appears in the output of lspci -vv. This suggests something is missing from your kernel. Let's try to fix it in gNewSense. (My version is based on Squeeze.) based is the keyword here. Unless there is someone here familiar with gNewSense you're out of luck. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
This suggests something is missing from your kernel. Could you be more specific? Will it help if I paste my .config? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_ei7fm69ruruuxwttb8sd2ufgsystu1wre9pxkgqno...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed 29 Feb 2012 at 23:48:22 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: This guide wasn't helpful. modprobe nouveau outputs nothing and It wouldn't output anything if the module was already in place. there is no nouveau module in the output of lsmod. But nouveau That is extremely surprising considering you have shown a dmesg output elsewhere which displays it being brought into use and being used for the framebuffer on the console. appears in the output of lspci -vv. I don't suppose it said 'Kernel driver in use: nouveau? Let's try to fix it in gNewSense. (My version is based on Squeeze.) gNewSense is nearly three years old and, I think, based on Ubuntu. The suggested mismatch is most likely the cause of X not running. In Debian at that time nouveau packages were possibly classed as experimental. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120301004352.GB13677@desktop
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Please attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 xorg-server 2:1.7.7-14 (Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org) Current version of pixman: 0.25.1 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. (**) |--Screen Default Screen Section (0) (**) | |--Monitor default monitor (==) No device specified for screen Default Screen Section. Using the first device section listed. (**) | |--Device n (==) No monitor specified for screen Default Screen Section. Using a default monitor configuration. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType. Entry deleted from font path. (Run 'mkfontdir' on /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType). (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, built-ins (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. (II) Loader magic: 0x81ecce0 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 6.0 X.Org XInput driver : 7.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (--) using VT number 7 (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:0a29:106b:00c7 rev 162, Mem @ 0xc000/16777216, 0x9000/268435456, 0xa000/33554432, I/O @ 0x2000/128, BIOS @ 0x/524288 (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) LoadModule: extmod (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension SELinux (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: dbe (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (==) AIGLX enabled (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: record (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: dri (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: dri2 (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so (II) Module dri2: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DRI2 (II) LoadModule: nouveau (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so (II) Module nouveau: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 0.0.15 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) NOUVEAU driver Date: Tue Mar 16 13:08:37 2010 +1000 (II) NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families : RIVA TNT(NV04) RIVA TNT2 (NV05) GeForce 256 (NV10) GeForce 2 (NV11, NV15) GeForce 4MX (NV17, NV18) GeForce 3 (NV20) GeForce 4Ti (NV25, NV28) GeForce FX (NV3x) GeForce 6 (NV4x) GeForce 7 (G7x) GeForce 8
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Mi, 29 feb 12, 05:21:03, Stayvoid wrote: (EE) [drm] failed to open device (EE) No devices detected. Earlier you mentioned http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting did you check the section that applies to this error? http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting#Xorg_fails_to_start_with_.22.28EE.29_.5Bdrm.5D_failed_to_open_device.22 At this point I can only guess there is some mismatch between your kernel and Xorg. I would suggest you try to reproduce this on a pure Debian install[1][2], but if it works there is not much more we can do. [1] you mentioned using gNewSense [2] you are of course aware that Debian with only 'main' is free Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
I've tried to use both packages, but I can't make X work. startx fails with (EE) [drm] failed to open device. I tried to look through the kernel options, asked people about it, read a man page on troubleshooting [1], but all my attempts were unsuccesful. [1] http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_GKUnybZD1L=eoktrot0-mj4wru6qshua6fta4sq4v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Ma, 28 feb 12, 02:39:44, Stayvoid wrote: I've tried to use both packages, but I can't make X work. startx fails with (EE) [drm] failed to open device. I tried to look through the kernel options, asked people about it, read a man page on troubleshooting [1], but all my attempts were unsuccesful. Please attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
While I admire the work the Nouveau guys are doing, after suffering for more than 4 years with an Nvidia GPU+chipset on my desktop, I just replaced the motherboard with a one based on the AMD E350 fusion chip, and suddenly all my problems are gone. One of the best $200 I've spent recently. Only remaining problem: Gnome. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jwv8vjn205n.fsf-monnier+gmane.linux.debian.u...@gnu.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 08:57:22PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: While I admire the work the Nouveau guys are doing, after suffering for more than 4 years with an Nvidia GPU+chipset on my desktop, I just replaced the motherboard with a one based on the AMD E350 fusion chip, and suddenly all my problems are gone. One of the best $200 I've spent recently. Aside from the GPU, what problems did you have with the chipset? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120228044234.GA4280@phobos
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:59:47 +, Brian wrote: On Thu 02 Feb 2012 at 12:57:50 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? Yes, really. It's such an improvement on the past. I'm not that sure... It can be an improvement for portable devices (notebooks, netbooks) that need to add on-the-fly output devices and do not usually change the VGA card. But for a workstation or desktop computers it can be now a hell to get it working well. Moreover, video card vendors are adding difficulties to the hardware (e.g., hybrid graphics) while they do not provide free drivers for their inventions and so leaving the open source users to the deepest ostracism. Nouveau gets the console resolution right and gives a nice framebuffer. Start X and it just figures out everything. Then there's KMS. We're spoiled. Nuvó is not an option for some users that need to get the best for their nvidia cards. Radeon driver is not always working as we would like (I have a chap with problems with his ati card -iMac5- that cannot work with gnome-shell, he has to use gnome classical because kernel and/or xorg segfaults). Intel driver had some annoying problems in the past but now seems to be a good option. Nope, I don't like the status of the VGA in linux but that's nothing we (open source users) can do. Companies have to start releasing their code with an open source license, giving full specs and providing resources (developers) to build the drivers. Until that happens, we will still have many problems :-( You do have to do many things now that were not needed in the old days. For instance, try to install the closed source nvidia driver while having nuvó installed. In the old times, editing one line at xorg.conf was all to get the driver loaded. Now you can be even forced to uninstall one set of the drivers to use the other. And debugging has turned very difficult... Sounds dreadful! I'm thankful to be among the 95% of PC users who do not need 3D acceleration. The problem is not that *users* need 3D acceleration *but* Google Earth, gnome-shell, etc... I mean, applications, do ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgguqb$bgm$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:19:44 +, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 or, later, a Matrox G200, about 15 years ago? My first linux box (SuSE Linux 8.2) was installed on a Matrox G450, IIRC. I had to do nothing, it worked out of the box. Maybe I was just lucky. Afterwards, I have installed over nvidia (mostly in workstations), ATI (in servers) and Intel (netbooks). You must have been really lucky then :) Yes... I also think so. True is that I always try to buy good hardware. Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high in your xf86config while trying to get a less flickery image in an unbelieveably high 1024x768 resolution? Nope, maybe because my displays were well supported (Sony) :-) And remember trying to figure out modelines? Nope, in fact I've only had to deal with that at the time Xorg became dynamic but not before (openSUSE had a very nice tool to configure this called SaX). Yeah, there were some tools to calculate modelines ... Fortunately, I got away with specifying the frequencies. cvt is a very old and useful tool for adding modelines and refresh frequencies. And to be sincere, I've only had to use it now with xrandr and not in the time xorg was static and predictable :-) Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? You are very likely to end up with a graphical display because all the drivers are (needlessly) installed through dependencies, and which one is used is being figured out automatically. That doesn´t mean that your display is optimally configured. He, but having all the drivers installed does not guarantee they are going to work well ;-). In fact, having all the drivers installed can even aggravate the situation. You do have to do many things now that were not needed in the old days. For instance, try to install the closed source nvidia driver while having nuvó installed. Just put nuveau into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. This *should *work, right? But it does not always work :-) And how can you now use a vesa or fb driver? In the old days you only had to put vesa in xorg.conf, but now... he, he... is not that easy. In the old times, editing one line at xorg.conf was all to get the driver loaded. In many cases, things work without xorg.conf. Of course, but the problem arises when it does not. Now you can be even forced to uninstall one set of the drivers to use the other. And debugging has turned very difficult... If you have had several different drivers for the same card 15 years ago, you´d probably have had the same problem. Nope, because they collided and could not be installed at the same time. What hasn´t changed is that ATI cards (now made by AMD) cause nothing but trouble ... Well, radeon driver should be by now the best open source VGA driver out there, it's almost open source and developers have been working on it since many years... ATI cards have been troublesome with OS/2 2.0 and 3.0, with various versions of Windoze and with Linux. I have a Radeon card in this laptop, and when I switch over to that card with vgaswitcheroo, I don´t get any further screen output until I switch back to the Intel card. The open source driver for them might be great, it just doesn´t help me when there´s no screen output. If I could have bought this laptop with an NVDIA card, I would have. All the NVDIA cards I´ve had just worked fine, and all the ATI cards I´ve had and have seen were troublesome. Yes, but that's not an expected situation, I mean, shouldn't the open source driver be the best one, in quality and stability terms? Why we do prefer nvidia over ATI cards? Intel is another good choice if you don't want many problems and are happy with a low-end 3D card. The Intel card is ok unless I want to play a game. For games, it´s an euphemism to say that the performance is pathetic. I can't tell for games because I do't play much :-) but for the usual tasks I find it enough. Unfortunately, the free NVIDA drivers are rather useless when you want to play games. You can install the non-free ones from the Debian packages. I've always been lucky with nvidia closed drivers. I don't like the fact they are closed but at least I get a stable system with few glitches. Yeah, that´s why I keep buying NVDIA cards: they work. Now I didn´t have a choice but to get an ATI card in this laptop, and of course, it doesn´t work ... And that (that ATI cards have too many problems) IMO shouldn't be hapenning at all. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgh0e4$bgm$5...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 or, later, a Matrox G200, about 15 years ago? My first linux box (SuSE Linux 8.2) was installed on a Matrox G450, IIRC. I had to do nothing, it worked out of the box. Maybe I was just lucky. Afterwards, I have installed over nvidia (mostly in workstations), ATI (in servers) and Intel (netbooks). Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high in your xf86config while trying to get a less flickery image in an unbelieveably high 1024x768 resolution? Nope, maybe because my displays were well supported (Sony) :-) And remember trying to figure out modelines? Nope, in fact I've only had to deal with that at the time Xorg became dynamic but not before (openSUSE had a very nice tool to configure this called SaX). Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? You do have to do many things now that were not needed in the old days. For instance, try to install the closed source nvidia driver while having nuvó installed. In the old times, editing one line at xorg.conf was all to get the driver loaded. Now you can be even forced to uninstall one set of the drivers to use the other. And debugging has turned very difficult... What hasn´t changed is that ATI cards (now made by AMD) cause nothing but trouble ... Well, radeon driver should be by now the best open source VGA driver out there, it's almost open source and developers have been working on it since many years... Stayvoid, you can use vgaswitcheroo to switch between cards. You need to have the debugfs mounted for that. If you still get screen output after switching over, you´re lucky --- I´m not and so I´m stuck with the slow Intel card. Intel is another good choice if you don't want many problems and are happy with a low-end 3D card. Unfortunately, the free NVIDA drivers are rather useless when you want to play games. You can install the non-free ones from the Debian packages. I've always been lucky with nvidia closed drivers. I don't like the fact they are closed but at least I get a stable system with few glitches. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jge18e$qa4$3...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. Aren't you conflating Apple hardware and OS?1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sw+msvgfqekdkxjbj1iq8zm9yanfazdogettwepw+b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 12:57 +, Camaleón wrote: openSUSE I started using Linux with Suse 9.0 and even today I've got an outdated 11.2 install. Suse supports settings for exotic German monitors, that are unsupported by the X calculators in the Internet. I agree that it was easier to set up X in the old days, than it is today and I confirm that using the proprietary driver, if possible, is the best way to go. If the proprietary driver doesn't work, e.g. because of issues related to a kernel-rt, than I use the nv driver, that btw. was dropped for Debian when I used Debian some month ago. On Arch Linux the nv driver still is in the official repositories. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328200750.4596.31.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Thu 02 Feb 2012 at 12:57:50 +, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? Yes, really. It's such an improvement on the past. Nouveau gets the console resolution right and gives a nice framebuffer. Start X and it just figures out everything. Then there's KMS. We're spoiled. You do have to do many things now that were not needed in the old days. For instance, try to install the closed source nvidia driver while having nuvó installed. In the old times, editing one line at xorg.conf was all to get the driver loaded. Now you can be even forced to uninstall one set of the drivers to use the other. And debugging has turned very difficult... Sounds dreadful! I'm thankful to be among the 95% of PC users who do not need 3D acceleration. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120202185947.GH917@desktop
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:55 +, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 or, later, a Matrox G200, about 15 years ago? My first linux box (SuSE Linux 8.2) was installed on a Matrox G450, IIRC. I had to do nothing, it worked out of the box. Maybe I was just lucky. Afterwards, I have installed over nvidia (mostly in workstations), ATI (in servers) and Intel (netbooks). You must have been really lucky then :) Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high in your xf86config while trying to get a less flickery image in an unbelieveably high 1024x768 resolution? Nope, maybe because my displays were well supported (Sony) :-) And remember trying to figure out modelines? Nope, in fact I've only had to deal with that at the time Xorg became dynamic but not before (openSUSE had a very nice tool to configure this called SaX). Yeah, there were some tools to calculate modelines ... Fortunately, I got away with specifying the frequencies. Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... No? Nothing? Really? I mean, really? You are very likely to end up with a graphical display because all the drivers are (needlessly) installed through dependencies, and which one is used is being figured out automatically. That doesn´t mean that your display is optimally configured. You do have to do many things now that were not needed in the old days. For instance, try to install the closed source nvidia driver while having nuvó installed. Just put nuveau into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. In the old times, editing one line at xorg.conf was all to get the driver loaded. In many cases, things work without xorg.conf. Now you can be even forced to uninstall one set of the drivers to use the other. And debugging has turned very difficult... If you have had several different drivers for the same card 15 years ago, you´d probably have had the same problem. What hasn´t changed is that ATI cards (now made by AMD) cause nothing but trouble ... Well, radeon driver should be by now the best open source VGA driver out there, it's almost open source and developers have been working on it since many years... ATI cards have been troublesome with OS/2 2.0 and 3.0, with various versions of Windoze and with Linux. I have a Radeon card in this laptop, and when I switch over to that card with vgaswitcheroo, I don´t get any further screen output until I switch back to the Intel card. The open source driver for them might be great, it just doesn´t help me when there´s no screen output. If I could have bought this laptop with an NVDIA card, I would have. All the NVDIA cards I´ve had just worked fine, and all the ATI cards I´ve had and have seen were troublesome. Stayvoid, you can use vgaswitcheroo to switch between cards. You need to have the debugfs mounted for that. If you still get screen output after switching over, you´re lucky --- I´m not and so I´m stuck with the slow Intel card. Intel is another good choice if you don't want many problems and are happy with a low-end 3D card. The Intel card is ok unless I want to play a game. For games, it´s an euphemism to say that the performance is pathetic. Unfortunately, the free NVIDA drivers are rather useless when you want to play games. You can install the non-free ones from the Debian packages. I've always been lucky with nvidia closed drivers. I don't like the fact they are closed but at least I get a stable system with few glitches. Yeah, that´s why I keep buying NVDIA cards: they work. Now I didn´t have a choice but to get an ATI card in this laptop, and of course, it doesn´t work ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcnp0yzj@songoku.yagibdah.de
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 07:41 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Hello! What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M + Intel HD What computer? MacBookPro6,2 Phew! Take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro6-2/Maverick I suspect you should use the non-free, aka non-libre, but gratis proprietary nvidia driver. Do you need perfect, very fast 3D acceleration? Yep, but the drivers should be free. What screen resolution will you use? 1680 x 1050 But I'm not sure about this one. I also forgot to mention that I want to be able to switch between GPUs. What should I use for this purpose? What about VGA switcheroo? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328087549.7278.20.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
I don't want to use non-free software. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_gthf+khz8wyepvcbkpvk9xotf4lkib7ojniffy3un...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 13:50 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: I don't want to use non-free software. On a regular non-Mac-PC the nouveau driver very often doesn't work, but even if it should work for you, take a look at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ , http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MesaDrivers . Complete, fast 3D acceleration isn't supported yet: Current Status Quick overview: KernelModeSetting (KMS) is mandatory Suspend and resume is working for many chips 2D support is in very good shape with EXA acceleration, Xv and Randr12 (dual-head, rotations, etc.). To understand how multiple monitors work in X, see MultiMonitorDesktop. For some Fermi cards, like the NVD9, check the firmware status as it is required for acceleration. Some 3D acceleration exists. Read MesaDrivers carefully. Nvidia Optimus support is not implemented yet, you may not be able to use the Nvidia GPU at all on Optimus laptops. There're no other drivers than the proprietary nvidia and this nouveau driver supporting 3D acceleration. If you won't use the proprietary, than you probably are screwed. Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. Regards, Ralf [1] I've got Apple equipment myself. I didn't buy, but won it some days ago. IMHO a proprietary graphics driver would be the last thing I would worry about. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328094524.1398.13.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I can't go back in time, but I can change the future. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. It's a matter of principle. Thanks for the links. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cak5fs_fxsamrxhupzcurhhy26kqz1f0v4pwsvyezv4mgeqc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On 2012-01-31 15:28:19 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Gilbert Sullivan wrote: Brian wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. + 1 to this. +1 from me as well. I am happily using the nouveau package and driver on several machines. It made using them as easy as apt-get install when otherwise I would have been scrambling for a solution. +1 from me as well. I'd just like bug 640464 to be fixed. BTW, the official NVIDIA driver had its own bugs when I was using it; in particular the virtual consoles had a bad number of lines. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120201151759.gd9...@ypig.lip.ens-lyon.fr
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-01-31 20:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. This borked driver works fine for me. YMMV, of course. Sven, maintainer of the borked package :-) Sven, do not take it as a personal attack, just think about the many users out there having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Now, getting it working comes by pure luck. Of course, the ones to blame here are not: 1/ Nuvó package maintainers 2/ Nuvó package developers 3/ Nuvó upstream developers 4/ Kernel people 5/ Xorg people If someone wants to complain it should direct his/her gripes to the manufacturers (nvidia, ati) which are the only responsible for the current state of their drivers in the linux ecosystem. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgbl99$at5$5...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:50:53 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: I don't want to use non-free software. That's a curious statement coming from a Mac user :-) Then consider using the Intel card and the Intel driver (if you can). Intel is the only manufacturer that develops an open source driver for their VGA chipsets (with little exceptions) and directly supports FOSS. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgblnb$at5$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On 2012-02-01 12:42 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: Serious, you're using a Mac [1], there's nothing I could imagine that's more un-libre. I can't go back in time, but I can change the future. I really wonder why you won't use the proprietary driver. It's a matter of principle. I'd recommend to avoid NVidia hardware in the future then, especially on laptops. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877h06eckq@turtle.gmx.de
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On 2012-02-01 05:41 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). That's certainly not optimal, you need something newer for your card. What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M This seems to be an NVA5 chip for which you need at least kernel 2.6.39 due to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26980. And you have to upgrade the userspace as well then (packages are in squeeze-backports). + Intel HD Well, that's bad. Do you need perfect, very fast 3D acceleration? Yep, but the drivers should be free. These demands clash, since very fast 3D is really only available with proprietary drivers. Free drivers offer moderately fast 3D at best. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8739auecgn@turtle.gmx.de
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: having to deal with the mess of installing a VGA card in linux. It never has been so difficult and so hard than now is (or at least I don't remember it was when no KMS and no dynamic Xorg existed). Hum, did you ever try to get X11 to work with an ATI mach32 or mach64 or, later, a Matrox G200, about 15 years ago? Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high in your xf86config while trying to get a less flickery image in an unbelieveably high 1024x768 resolution? And remember trying to figure out modelines? Nowadays, you don´t really need to do anything ... What hasn´t changed is that ATI cards (now made by AMD) cause nothing but trouble ... Stayvoid, you can use vgaswitcheroo to switch between cards. You need to have the debugfs mounted for that. If you still get screen output after switching over, you´re lucky --- I´m not and so I´m stuck with the slow Intel card. Unfortunately, the free NVIDA drivers are rather useless when you want to play games. You can install the non-free ones from the Debian packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obti1ens@songoku.yagibdah.de
OT: Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:28 +, lee wrote: Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high I still need to read some older replies, but I can't resist to answer OT now. I'm a dino and trillions years ago it was possible to set up X by trial and error. One step after the other I never damaged hardware. If frequencies get to high, I saw lines and heard noise, from hardware that shouldn't make noise. Today X don't allow you to go the trial and error way and X calculators only provide international common monitors. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328161851.4596.12.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: OT: Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 06:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 20:28 +, lee wrote: Remember your huge 14 or 15 CRT monitor flickering and possibly being damaged when you got the frequencies too high I still need to read some older replies, but I can't resist to answer OT now. I'm a dino and trillions years ago it was possible to set up X by trial and error. One step after the other I never damaged hardware. If frequencies get to high, I saw lines and heard noise, from hardware that shouldn't make noise. Today X don't allow you to go the trial and error way and X calculators only provide international common monitors. PPS: The transistors that get damaged if you choose a frequency that is muuuch to high, doesn't cost that much today. Usually they won't burst, as long as you stop to go higher for the frequencies, when you see lines or hear noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328162273.4596.17.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On 2012-01-31 17:47 +0100, Stayvoid wrote: What's the difference between these packages? See the package descriptions. The xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package contains a video driver for NVidia cards, while xserver-xorg is a metapackage that depends on all necessary parts of the X window system: The X server, input and video drivers and keyboard data. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8739avlqxb@turtle.gmx.de
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:47:29 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: What's the difference between these packages? You can go here, search and read: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages *** Package: xserver-xorg (1:7.5+8+squeeze1) the X.Org X server This package depends on the full suite of the server and drivers for the X.Org X server. It does not provide the actual server itself. *** *** Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5) X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental) This driver for the X.Org X server (see xserver-xorg for a further description) provides support for NVIDIA Riva, TNT, GeForce, and Quadro cards. Although the nouveau project aims to provide full 3D support it is not yet complete, and these packages do not include any 3D support. Users requiring 3D support should use the non-free nvidia driver. This package is built from the FreeDesktop.org xf86-video-nouveau driver. *** In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg server with all of the VGA drivers while the latter is just a set of FOSS drivers for nvidia cards. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jg98rp$6o6$8...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg server with all of the VGA drivers... Will it install Nouveau this way? Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_HEFgXH9tiCLSeJx3tCjUzVCPqPnYVeBXsH=lzdstx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: In brief, the former will install (by dependencies) the full Xorg server with all of the VGA drivers... Will it install Nouveau this way? Which one, xserver-xorg? Yes, it will. And lot of additional stuff you may or may not want. Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? You're going too fast :-) First define your goals and your current situation then we will able to provide the best solution for your needs. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jg9dpp$6o6$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:47 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Hello there! What's the difference between these packages? Cheers. xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328038145.7278.5.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On 2012-01-31 20:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: xserver-xorg includes X and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau includes a borked Nvidia driver for X. This borked driver works fine for me. YMMV, of course. Sven, maintainer of the borked package -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878vknk5vq@turtle.gmx.de
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? If you know you have an Nvidia card install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120131194549.GB917@desktop
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120131200715.GC917@desktop
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 19:45 +, Brian wrote: On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 21:30:59 +0300, Stayvoid wrote: Should I install Nouveau drivers after the installation of the server itself? If you know you have an Nvidia card install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau first. Camaleón asked for the goals. I agree with this question. What version of Debian do you have installed? What Nvidia graphics? What computer? Do you need perfect, very fast 3D acceleration? What screen resolution will you use? Depending to the answers one of 3 or 4 drivers might be ok. Usually people will use the proprietary nvidia driver or the FLOSS nouveau driver. Sometimes the old nv driver is the best way to go. Very seldom vesa could be needed. 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328046785.7278.14.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
On 01/31/2012 03:07 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 31 Jan 2012 at 20:51:21 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. + 1 to this. Many thanks to Sven, not only for his work as a package maintainer but as a contributor on this newsgroup. The nouveau drivers made my Dell Precision workstation usable for the last few months of its life. The binary blobs caused all sorts of headaches with the various DEs I used on that computer (Gnome, LXDE, Xfce). All of the little gotchas went away when I switched to nouveau. Yeah, there were a couple of issues with nouveau, too. But -- because it was open source -- I was able to figure some of them out myself, and get answers for others -- most notably from Sven, himself. Having a properly functioning DE is a lot more important for this old curmudgeon than having 3D acceleration. Regards, Gilbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f2868c0.4010...@comcast.net
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Gilbert Sullivan wrote: Brian wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: Sven, maintainer of the borked package Seeing as you mention it - it is time to say 'thank you'. + 1 to this. +1 from me as well. I am happily using the nouveau package and driver on several machines. It made using them as easy as apt-get install when otherwise I would have been scrambling for a solution. Thanks Sven! Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: xserver-xorg vs. xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
Hello! What version of Debian do you have installed? I'm using gNewSense (AFAIK it's based on Squeeze). What Nvidia graphics? NVIDIA GeForce 330M + Intel HD What computer? MacBookPro6,2 Do you need perfect, very fast 3D acceleration? Yep, but the drivers should be free. What screen resolution will you use? 1680 x 1050 But I'm not sure about this one. I also forgot to mention that I want to be able to switch between GPUs. What should I use for this purpose? What about VGA switcheroo? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAK5fS_HpTmrx-EjkLUxpFUbEqfgKEKN++=6knhx+ixjjkh3...@mail.gmail.com
