Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
2014-06-06 20:10 GMT+02:00 Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Oh, that's right. You were found to be a clueless troll there, also. And you were kicked out of them. So you had to find another place to troll. Does this discussion really need to continue? ChrisA Unfortunately the user list it's not moderated and those flames are more and more frequent.
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
You're lying. Your social media friends say otherwise. I'm happily married. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:01 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies On 6/6/2014 12:26 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: Poor old Jerry. He's a bitter, lonely man whose wife and kids have left him for another man. ROFLMAO! I am happily married - unlike you. But then your personal attacks show your level of maturity. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539201e5.7020...@attglobal.net
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
I'm still with them, except that I wish to allot more time to you. To keep you company or you will resort to binge drinking. And why? Because your ex-wife discovered you are a loser and she decided to leave for another man. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies On 6/6/2014 12:28 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: Not true. I'm still popular on those forums, except that I've found Jerry Stuckup to be a very interesting case study for students of psychology. Then why don't you go back to them? Oh, that's right. You were found to be a clueless troll there, also. And you were kicked out of them. So you had to find another place to troll. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5392023d.7030...@attglobal.net
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
From: Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Unfortunately the user list it's not moderated and those flames are more and more frequent. I can tell you who started them: Jerry Stuckle a/k/a Jerry STUCKUP
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/07/2014 07:52 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: [that on 2014-06-07 at 3:38, Raffaele Morelli wrote:] Unfortunately the user list it's not moderated and those flames are more and more frequent. I can tell you who started them: Jerry Stuckle a/k/a Jerry STUCKUP Possibly so, but he's not the only one perpetuating them; you're doing at least as much of that now as he is. (As witness the fact that you just did it again, in the quote above.) - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTkv6PAAoJEASpNY00KDJrYZoQAIQY8e3n+sHtsmC+Jvqygfcg UZWVL3y0T8EMUupN9m37k9fnn+So6vvaKlEkmOT0M1b6dymQSXzlm204PqOaSBu3 usXt4sFePWv1D5/YvGJHDbk0sQQ70ngqDADph5T1/5rFKtDrmngB6yAoH6AnqWp/ dVdE+aFFMZO4PHdEHfK4idYfB+aRthP0QYmvEjY0pNjIaPqAfLFDoWMXOZRsk5wl gzuuDAS9mNPdPQpQ/oilGRRM7H0kTNV2sQopb/d+/14IG/xm1xU023odnvgbkvpV DBZ7J/JIUqwlAVdY/npHHCnvaz1oV/br8KfXsKr8Alnz6Wo3gn2dF5QB18DUd64r lVLdQLDJVbVutxGxAiv9o93mKmg8D8CibMvHRB2HMCbedtFwMRpbjV5DkrFl5a18 dzuilPi8VBT4VfrOyFhmuL+prhUmPD5Pro0GeKaDjNktFMdtv3RdegvFEIL1kwyc mlKYR94eewHWWuWr5SIdYgCQxU96YLO3zQkH8aKMHaxb4mjZTAGTdTOfQOfP7ZQ1 j7vhr1hEl/Dd9WBVUjW2vA8YZZHJZeGZE/iPxX1RlDAfc/pUTB2X4S3Wa5qWfYwk OjlLBWFWwJL8GlBE3VCuVUslrs+wslU8y/jJI91CYkvqdwm05wYylaTGDcw/3ZvA O318gvHCzqxlNq8ZPsf0 =pN5z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5392fe8f.6060...@fastmail.fm
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me. You're probably right, Horatio, but you're so needy while biting the hands that feed you, that: = # Proud, indignant newbie Horatio Leragon :0: * ^From:.*hlera...@yahoo.com * ^List-Id.*\debian-user.lists.debian.org $GARBAGE = Bye Horatio. Life's too short to listen to your staccato questions and complaints. Maybe you'll have better luck with Ubuntu. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606020432.523bf407@mydesk
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies BTW, do you know the difference between a forum and a mailing list? You seem to use forum as a catchall. A forum is a website whose members can post topics, questions and answers. On the other hand, one needs to use an email account to do the above? I sure could have but every once in a while I get the urge to try to assist other posters to educate someone who sorely needs it. Unfortunately, it seems you're impervious. Yes, you're right. I'm impervious. What do you plan to do?
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies LOL! Last time I was called that was in third grade or so. It shows your level of maturity. But then you've already shown that. OMG, since 3rd grade till now, you haven't managed to get rid of that evil trait of yours? It must be a serious character flaw.
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
How much time did you waste on creating that? Goodbye to you too. You'll not be missed :) From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me. You're probably right, Horatio, but you're so needy while biting the hands that feed you, that: = # Proud, indignant newbie Horatio Leragon :0: * ^From:.*hlera...@yahoo.com * ^List-Id.*\debian-user.lists.debian.org $GARBAGE = Bye Horatio. Life's too short to listen to your staccato questions and complaints. Maybe you'll have better luck with Ubuntu. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140606020432.523bf407@mydesk
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/06/2014 06:19 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: [that on 2014-06-06 at 1:51, Bob Holtzman wrote:] BTW, do you know the difference between a forum and a mailing list? You seem to use forum as a catchall. A forum is a website whose members can post topics, questions and answers. On the other hand, one needs to use an email account to do the above? Historically speaking, the word forum goes back to Greek or Roman times (I forget which offhand), when it referred to a literal place where people would meet to discuss things. As such, a forum for discussion can be any place where people go to discuss things, or to leave messages for other people to respond to, or the like. Even a physical bulletin board can qualify. However, although a mailing list and a Web forum can both qualify as a forum for discussion in a technical sense, they are very different things. If you're referring to a Web forum, you should not call it just a forum, and if you call a mailing list a forum, you should not thereby imply that it shares any particular characteristics with a Web forum. I sure could have but every once in a while I get the urge to try to assist other posters to educate someone who sorely needs it. Unfortunately, it seems you're impervious. Yes, you're right. I'm impervious. What do you plan to do? So... as far as I can tell, either you've just admitted that you're incapable of learning and are beyond help, or you've just admitted that you're trolling. In either case, the only thing to do would be to begin outright ignoring you (possibly via killfile), and advise other people to do the same. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTkb6IAAoJEASpNY00KDJrbNkP/3P1UG2fx5lK1z9HCVarVp3H ekskMSkE/TCoUGAIBqxZDcEGmu6Y/9u3TBqNiddihtzv73PylZ+APEc7NsDH2BZv I1C7Wc7rhHfOdQZztwICekeAW7y+kwrP7T7zn8oSuhIBfyJCN2RvqmKeDh0MAB7c x6JGqtyRURbHmYR0y+C9nszaCu/6Dz5tfYD0n5zf36c86+zDnP8v6a77ou7BGLDO HvUH4LEjN9XsmhhK+ULZajG16yuvu/fqHIniadXk//5IbufnK0oUy9ksTaVhvBTA 0YWQI7Shvux58D1dU1/Dd9t0ZCL2ifj5JoBOCqOX8bfF+rKsrti5Rl1iCTumzP3N s4siIlyV6WY9IfSYJk9qeT12nNwv4+ZiyXjMVJs1bJzhGc+TIdonmYJX7IgduhHR exm+TlVrupls7cvCLsZt4o6+W08l4BppfeRuf+Gj5U/LbY8MR4/MP9DMPnBWYJEX Xfjz44yzA6hxr9YejzjaoSpOzAQFyRY576hR5QRMhZ4fRbw69EkyRSXtuJz+RXvu uw5im/SfkNlUHtI027BjvGc8+6nfeYNgovuiatdonBaE/s+Xb6CqA5fbsKGtmgmF tJZxQuuTGqaIUk9k0wkq1nIYlp03E3GgsP3/vogmiaUE+0+2diSZthEs1XOGJxDo RtGPLsi2DuUYNgvajuUN =5EXH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391be88.5030...@fastmail.fm
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
Ever heard of etymological fallacy? Like dilapidated means 'stone' plus 'taken apart', yet we use the term for anything that's falling apart, even if it's not made of stone.. Maybe that widens the forum idea, maybe not, but you need to use what todays people think of a forum to be correct.. Not that I know anything anyway... Jack On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:13 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/06/2014 06:19 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: [that on 2014-06-06 at 1:51, Bob Holtzman wrote:] BTW, do you know the difference between a forum and a mailing list? You seem to use forum as a catchall. A forum is a website whose members can post topics, questions and answers. On the other hand, one needs to use an email account to do the above? Historically speaking, the word forum goes back to Greek or Roman times (I forget which offhand), when it referred to a literal place where people would meet to discuss things. As such, a forum for discussion can be any place where people go to discuss things, or to leave messages for other people to respond to, or the like. Even a physical bulletin board can qualify. However, although a mailing list and a Web forum can both qualify as a forum for discussion in a technical sense, they are very different things. If you're referring to a Web forum, you should not call it just a forum, and if you call a mailing list a forum, you should not thereby imply that it shares any particular characteristics with a Web forum. I sure could have but every once in a while I get the urge to try to assist other posters to educate someone who sorely needs it. Unfortunately, it seems you're impervious. Yes, you're right. I'm impervious. What do you plan to do? So... as far as I can tell, either you've just admitted that you're incapable of learning and are beyond help, or you've just admitted that you're trolling. In either case, the only thing to do would be to begin outright ignoring you (possibly via killfile), and advise other people to do the same. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTkb6IAAoJEASpNY00KDJrbNkP/3P1UG2fx5lK1z9HCVarVp3H ekskMSkE/TCoUGAIBqxZDcEGmu6Y/9u3TBqNiddihtzv73PylZ+APEc7NsDH2BZv I1C7Wc7rhHfOdQZztwICekeAW7y+kwrP7T7zn8oSuhIBfyJCN2RvqmKeDh0MAB7c x6JGqtyRURbHmYR0y+C9nszaCu/6Dz5tfYD0n5zf36c86+zDnP8v6a77ou7BGLDO HvUH4LEjN9XsmhhK+ULZajG16yuvu/fqHIniadXk//5IbufnK0oUy9ksTaVhvBTA 0YWQI7Shvux58D1dU1/Dd9t0ZCL2ifj5JoBOCqOX8bfF+rKsrti5Rl1iCTumzP3N s4siIlyV6WY9IfSYJk9qeT12nNwv4+ZiyXjMVJs1bJzhGc+TIdonmYJX7IgduhHR exm+TlVrupls7cvCLsZt4o6+W08l4BppfeRuf+Gj5U/LbY8MR4/MP9DMPnBWYJEX Xfjz44yzA6hxr9YejzjaoSpOzAQFyRY576hR5QRMhZ4fRbw69EkyRSXtuJz+RXvu uw5im/SfkNlUHtI027BjvGc8+6nfeYNgovuiatdonBaE/s+Xb6CqA5fbsKGtmgmF tJZxQuuTGqaIUk9k0wkq1nIYlp03E3GgsP3/vogmiaUE+0+2diSZthEs1XOGJxDo RtGPLsi2DuUYNgvajuUN =5EXH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391be88.5030...@fastmail.fm
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/06/2014 09:22 AM, Jack Wilborn wrote: Ever heard of etymological fallacy? No, but it's an idea that makes sense. Like dilapidated means 'stone' plus 'taken apart', yet we use the term for anything that's falling apart, even if it's not made of stone.. Maybe that widens the forum idea, maybe not, but you need to use what todays people think of a forum to be correct.. Not that I know anything anyway... The trouble is that the broader sense of the word forum is still useful in the modern day, and if we allow the word to be used as a shorthand for Web forum, then when someone tries to use it in the broader sense there will be possibility for confusion. I've encountered that personally, which is why I try to always use the more explicit term Web forum when that is what I mean. This is offtopic, however, even to the extent to which these threads were not already so. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTkcXtAAoJEASpNY00KDJrTcQP/A7GvsUVptLddoGt6k7Eij4b rBQqBZX8AJzpktb5opUo+39eNFnLwhmun3HCDRlKTMFjHzipQeOAGuAF2oUG9RJ1 yu7KbkFIW2Si34/+tCemdxxaEBMXgRKpN/2Tf84XY5MebyguFCq9Qhwv8b+LFKca 11dfAKUQcsN6CqedU9/dFdzRzcKtSsg7AzYRZKzfgt1PwZSmPKwKSWOwrWlwCySc +lBJOoxnR+TzORyxJ5UR035/SgUwagHZ0mdqa3CQrpZSM83jb7up4KtcH8ppElr7 snLVzL67JrwZpvXQZFKohVgMowiLHgfSbCzLMtTF+eazMQf2g22OskiaPDRw+PO8 9g9caAF6xbnLVz7RRTkoSIhxr6VsKHx8MMmHr9T0LSbN5aU/GIdbYD5MWlCPvtiW dcLz6j4exXyjmq/D4Xl2IX+M/5IZuYOVfOflWRyEQ8evrGZ8U60iX8iMDqpIkcaf oJiLYpgQdgwa3MRUvRTlqH4VuZeNLIHvkzIMjbUySUB5aGdxAUyu+MmQUCnVG7qZ w0/NffT1SppOC/Xa6Wkq0kJJkzaDbkecv9jTHnm6TyIRU6Hl9rn6OgX+TIMXCuk9 4wDdoCYaODkjckteln2EGYLfsMEnPiOES6GXz7A5wO6ZL96cy3PvaRj/Blh3XJF0 aVtGNJIp3mO9GYeF1RUf =4Y91 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391c5ed.30...@fastmail.fm
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On 6/6/2014 6:12 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:04 PM *Subject:* Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies LOL! Last time I was called that was in third grade or so. It shows your level of maturity. But then you've already shown that. OMG, since 3rd grade till now, you haven't managed to get rid of that evil trait of yours? It must be a serious character flaw. No, it means you are still at the same mental maturity level as a third grader. Others are seeing this, also. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d3e7.2020...@attglobal.net
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On 6/6/2014 9:22 AM, Jack Wilborn wrote: Ever heard of etymological fallacy? Like dilapidated means 'stone' plus 'taken apart', yet we use the term for anything that's falling apart, even if it's not made of stone.. Maybe that widens the forum idea, maybe not, but you need to use what todays people think of a forum to be correct.. Not that I know anything anyway... Which has absolutely nothing to do with the misuse of the term forum. There's only one person I know who uses the term forum to describe a mailing list. And he's just admitted he refuses to learn. BTW - please don't top post and please don't use HTML on this mailing list. Thanks. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d49a.8030...@attglobal.net
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On 6/6/2014 2:04 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me. You're probably right, Horatio, but you're so needy while biting the hands that feed you, that: = # Proud, indignant newbie Horatio Leragon :0: * ^From:.*hlera...@yahoo.com * ^List-Id.*\debian-user.lists.debian.org $GARBAGE = Bye Horatio. Life's too short to listen to your staccato questions and complaints. Maybe you'll have better luck with Ubuntu. SteveT I think I figured out how he got here. All those other mailing lists and forums he claims are so great probably got tired of him there, also. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d5c5.70...@attglobal.net
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies In either case, the only thing to do would be to begin outright ignoring you (possibly via killfile), and advise other people to do the same. Please do what you have to do. Threats are for cowards made by cowards.
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies No, it means you are still at the same mental maturity level as a third grader. Your replies have so far shown that you have a long way to go to get rid of your serious character flaws. I'm surprised your school counsellors of third grade did not recommend you to see a shrink or a psychologist. Others are seeing this, also. I've learnt from you: what others think of me is immaterial. Judgemental http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/judgemental http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/judgemental?showCookiePolicy=true *** From a purely linguistic point of view, 50 years, 100 years from now The language spoken by English people will always be known as English. The language spoken by Americans will always be known as American. The language spoken by Australians will always be known as Australian.
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
Poor old Jerry. He's a bitter, lonely man whose wife and kids have left him for another man. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies On 6/6/2014 9:22 AM, Jack Wilborn wrote: Ever heard of etymological fallacy? Like dilapidated means 'stone' plus 'taken apart', yet we use the term for anything that's falling apart, even if it's not made of stone.. Maybe that widens the forum idea, maybe not, but you need to use what todays people think of a forum to be correct.. Not that I know anything anyway... Which has absolutely nothing to do with the misuse of the term forum. There's only one person I know who uses the term forum to describe a mailing list. And he's just admitted he refuses to learn. BTW - please don't top post and please don't use HTML on this mailing list. Thanks. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d49a.8030...@attglobal.net
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
Not true. I'm still popular on those forums, except that I've found Jerry Stuckup to be a very interesting case study for students of psychology. From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies On 6/6/2014 2:04 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me. You're probably right, Horatio, but you're so needy while biting the hands that feed you, that: = # Proud, indignant newbie Horatio Leragon :0: * ^From:.*hlera...@yahoo.com * ^List-Id.*\debian-user.lists.debian.org $GARBAGE = Bye Horatio. Life's too short to listen to your staccato questions and complaints. Maybe you'll have better luck with Ubuntu. SteveT I think I figured out how he got here. All those other mailing lists and forums he claims are so great probably got tired of him there, also. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5391d5c5.70...@attglobal.net
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On 6/6/2014 12:26 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: Poor old Jerry. He's a bitter, lonely man whose wife and kids have left him for another man. ROFLMAO! I am happily married - unlike you. But then your personal attacks show your level of maturity. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539201e5.7020...@attglobal.net
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On 6/6/2014 12:28 PM, Horatio Leragon wrote: Not true. I'm still popular on those forums, except that I've found Jerry Stuckup to be a very interesting case study for students of psychology. Then why don't you go back to them? Oh, that's right. You were found to be a clueless troll there, also. And you were kicked out of them. So you had to find another place to troll. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5392023d.7030...@attglobal.net
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Oh, that's right. You were found to be a clueless troll there, also. And you were kicked out of them. So you had to find another place to troll. Does this discussion really need to continue? ChrisA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/captjjmrp_nrgtwfcxhkerw1+jlkw9_mslc6f61qo7djd2dz...@mail.gmail.com
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Hi Horatio, On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 22:13 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian Opinions like that can better be discussed at the Debian off-topic list. Ubuntu does cast a bad light on free software, regarding to the Unity lenses spyware that is included by default. JFTR other *buntus don't add it. Please, remember to reply to the list _only_, otherwise we receive duplicated mails from you. Don't send a reply to _this_ mail to Debian user, please reply only to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic and consider to do the same for some other questions. You noticed that your approach not making enough research on your own is uncommon for most Linux users. On an Ubuntu mailing list you perhaps could continue this approach, but it won't help you. Linux is good, because users are self-responsible, have got more knowledge about their machines, than averaged Apple and Microsoft users. On some Linux mailing lists, they wouldn't set a moderation bit, they would ban you, IOW Debian user isn't the most hard Linux mailing list :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401955336.594.14.camel@archlinux
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On 6/5/2014 1:13 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: *From:* Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM *Subject:* Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me. LOL! Last time I was called that was in third grade or so. It shows your level of maturity. But then you've already shown that. And you call ME judgmental? ROFLMAO! Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539078db.4090...@attglobal.net
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On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 10:13:47PM -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. D*o*n'*t r*e*p*l*y* d*i*r*e*c*t*l*y t*o a* p*o*s*t*e*r! R*e*p*l*y o*n*l*y t*o t*h*e l*i*s*t! ^^^ Ubuntu is, at this writing, the most popular distro because it is dumbed down to appeal to new users just now trying to make the jump from windows (you perhaps?). Debian has done that to some extent but not nearly that much. Debian users are generally expected to think, research and attempt to troubleshoot for themselves before turning to forums or mailing lists. Ubuntu users expect and get more hand holding. BTW, do you know the difference between a forum and a mailing list? You seem to use forum as a catchall. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me. I sure could have but every once in a while I get the urge to try to assist other posters to educate someone who sorely needs it. Unfortunately, it seems you're impervious. -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or tackle Mt Everest in snow, but the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for 6000 in low. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 03:50:38PM -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: -- From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:22 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies The advent of apt was a gigantic step forward for Debian. The interplay between dpkg and apt is still (to me) quite marvellous. Get a .deb from somewhere (Skype, for example) and dpkg -i package followed by apt-get -f install gets everything sorted. The command apt-get -f install means a force install, am I correct? -f means --fix-broken. It basically stops apt-get choosing the easy route of uninstalling the package you just installed (Given the choice of removing one half-installed package vs pulling in untold new packages, you can see which is easier). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies A note to the OP. Yet you might not be able to understand the syntax of a man(ual)page, but you need to learn it. How do I learn it? Are there tutorials on how to learn the syntax of a man(ual) page? In any case, I wish to thank you for taking the time to show me how to do basic research on the options/parameters of Debian commands. By the way, is there any particular reason you choose to use startpage instead of Google or DuckDuckGo?
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On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 04:18 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: How do I learn it? Learning by doing ;). $ chown --help Usage: chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE... or: chown [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE... [snip] Examples: chown root /uChange the owner of /u to root. chown root:staff /u Likewise, but also change its group to staff. chown -hR root /uChange the owner of /u and subfiles to root. When you learned how to use several commands, you automatically learn how to interpret something like [OWNER][:[GROUP]]. Sometimes man(ual)pages and --help gives examples. By the way, is there any particular reason you choose to use startpage instead of Google or DuckDuckGo? I don't use DuckDuckGo, because it doesn't provide German search. I don't use Google or ixquick, because I prefer to get the advantages of both, by using StartPage ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401881736.11157.20.camel@archlinux
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On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 01:16:26AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: snip Before You Ask Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a website chat board, do the following: 1. Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you plan to post to. 2. Try to find an answer by searching the Web. 3. Try to find an answer by reading the manual. 4. Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ. 5. Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation. - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or tackle Mt Everest in snow, but the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for 6000 in low. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
From: Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Ralph, I think your wasting bandwidth on this guy. He's been told this more than once yet he comes back with another question that can be answered with a search. I now understand why Ubuntu is way more popular than Debian because the former has an awesome forum full of kind-hearted, non-judgemental people who do not pontificate, preach or teach beginners how to live life. Bob, you could have simply ignored my posts and move on to answer other posts. I just don't understand why you and Jerry Stuckup would want to waste your time on me. No use pontificating to me.
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Du, 01 iun 14, 15:36:37, Joe wrote: Not wishing to add confusion, but you may also find references to 'dpkg'. This is the low-level package tool that all the apt tools are front-ends for. It does no dependency checking, Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but dpkg does indeed do dependency checking. When provided with a bunch of .deb files to install it will take care of proper ordering when needed (Depends:, Pre-Depends:, etc.) and will refuse to install packages without satisfied dependencies unless --force switches are used. I think it's more accurate to say dpkg only handles files (be it .deb archives or files originating from .deb archives). It has no knowledge of archives, repositories, etc. and will do exactly what you tell it to do, so it is somewhat dangerous to use. It can do things the apt tools cannot, however, (the man page is quite large) so you may occasionally need to resort to using it, *carefully*. The apt tools are useless without dpkg, however, dpkg will happily install .deb files downloaded by any other means. A few of its options are simple and safe: dpkg --get-selections a file is a useful way to keep a record of the installed states of packages, and is probably a good thing to do regularly as part of a backup regimen. dpkg-reconfigure is a utility to re-run the configuration of a package that normally happens only at install time. This can be useful, but looses a lot of additional information, like whether packages were installed because of user action or as dependency of another package. apt-clone can be used for such backup/restores. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but dpkg does indeed do dependency checking. When provided with a bunch of .deb files to install it will take care of proper ordering when needed (Depends:, Pre-Depends:, etc.) and will refuse to install packages without satisfied dependencies unless --force switches are used. What happens if we choose to use --force switches to install software with unsatisfied dependencies? The apt tools are useless without dpkg, however, dpkg will happily install .deb files downloaded by any other means. What are these any other means?
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/03/2014 07:19 AM, Horatio Leragon wrote: [that on 2014-06-03 at 5:08, Andrei POPESCU wrote:] Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but dpkg does indeed do dependency checking. When provided with a bunch of .deb files to install it will take care of proper ordering when needed (Depends:, Pre-Depends:, etc.) and will refuse to install packages without satisfied dependencies unless --force switches are used. What happens if we choose to use --force switches to install software with unsatisfied dependencies? That depends on a number of other factors. Literally speaking, dpkg will simply unpack the package's files into their appropriate places and (attempt to) run the preinst, postinst, and any other relevant processing scripts, just as it does on any install. If the preinst, postinst, or other processing scripts rely on the availability of something which (due to unsatisfied dependencies) is not installed, then the install process will be aborted at that point, but AFAIK everything that was done prior to that will remain. If one of the files installed by the package is already on the system, whether because it was also installed by a different package or because you created it by hand or for some other reason, that file will be replaced during the install process. If the original file was required by some other software, then that other software may stop working after the --force install. Once the --force install is complete, if you try to run the installed program, it may fail to run - for example, if it relies on a library which did not get installed. So in general, installing packages with '--force' is risky; it *can* work just fine if your system happens to be in the right configuration and if you're lucky, but in many cases it will result in something breaking. There's more, and there are some scenarios where it can actually be a good idea; in fact, I suspect apt-get uses 'dpkg --force' itself in some cases, to resolve complex dependency situations during package upgrades. (If you look at the output of 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'apt-get install [packagename]', you may occasionally see a line saying something like Dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request; if I'm not mistaken, this is the result of apt-get using 'dpkg --force' on an uninstall request.) But for the most part, using 'dpkg --force' is a bad idea unless you know *EXACTLY* wnat you're doing. The apt tools are useless without dpkg, however, dpkg will happily install .deb files downloaded by any other means. What are these any other means? Literally any other means of getting a .deb file onto your computer. Downloading it via save as in a Web browser, downloading it using a command-line download program such as wget, copying it from another computer onto a Flash drive and then copying it from the Flash drive onto your computer, et cetera. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTjb2YAAoJEASpNY00KDJrYhUQAKKLXK1G1RhnZeMxsgMkGxti 1Y505K6eFFlHCWJsrejm2mLibnNgDUxG6JMPWrRZotFkxR2kN4tETAqIWVBJsjEM P6eclaUInt/jT6gYdanwtImwtQOmC0TZnBZXEuXrsLcZrjNv8L8x9Gcd/eECcwkg Rf7WjYHeuqNor1GEyboELusqLvi7O/Ss1MNmD1/PFebVW0yhHoeQuQIHdzmvyO63 FhKtHErF8Vgs2FctkOStdgHIiYOf+Ok/ZvDqGaqDuE8J9JZZx93WoREl3AouFrDr +OZ/Gp67YnzqQjBmOfDIXkFQlMvJ6Zn2/T+4SQ3/5THVKx87CP4aooa0BcqjZ5UZ /CjfH2PJZU014ywDZgQ7ksZf3dTtsQH0/er2+U2KfGv/B8w3KI796CoHAkwwrO1w m42dY3odz1G/ugtjknaafdASQaz2t7wPzwXMz+vL32DYi625Yb75aAHVxOZgsQOz ItaPLsJ4DrpWhUNtu5jhHeuDoFngG1U2jKTSr4M8DWEwSiHFxeSGBAqTy2WD1uCH 5kb5UaktpTs6daVs4gzLBDneSkJl7On2xcM90xxX1lI/044clwqyr2ZUpRp+Zynl xuyivHReZZUJSZxffhaBtbm/x5/vcCu/c42nY/JHWsQoY58uXf5JT92cizeIoHqy 2CyLeyemDeGHBB9hkRZF =vWG4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/538dbd98.5070...@fastmail.fm
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From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies That depends on a number of other factors. Literally speaking, dpkg will simply unpack the package's files into... If the preinst, postinst, or other processing scripts rely on the. If one of the files installed by the package is already on the system,.. Once the --force install is complete, if you try to run the installed. I appreciate your taking the time to write a detailed explanation. I feel I'm more educated already :)
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:08:13 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 01 iun 14, 15:36:37, Joe wrote: Not wishing to add confusion, but you may also find references to 'dpkg'. This is the low-level package tool that all the apt tools are front-ends for. It does no dependency checking, Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but dpkg does indeed do dependency checking. When provided with a bunch of .deb files to install it will take care of proper ordering when needed (Depends:, Pre-Depends:, etc.) and will refuse to install packages without satisfied dependencies unless --force switches are used. I think it's more accurate to say dpkg only handles files (be it .deb archives or files originating from .deb archives). It has no knowledge of archives, repositories, etc. Yes, what I should have written was 'doesn't automatically resolve all dependencies', as the apt tools (mostly) do. and will do exactly what you tell it to do, so it is somewhat dangerous to use. It can do things the apt tools cannot, however, (the man page is quite large) so you may occasionally need to resort to using it, *carefully*. The apt tools are useless without dpkg, however, dpkg will happily install .deb files downloaded by any other means. Yes, I use that if I need to downgrade, as the old package can be difficult to find in the repositories. But I have occasionally used it to clear a logjam that the apt tools won't shift. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140603190046.6e131...@jretrading.com
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On Tue 03 Jun 2014 at 19:00:46 +0100, Joe wrote: On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:08:13 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 01 iun 14, 15:36:37, Joe wrote: Not wishing to add confusion, but you may also find references to 'dpkg'. This is the low-level package tool that all the apt tools are front-ends for. It does no dependency checking, Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but dpkg does indeed do dependency checking. When provided with a bunch of .deb files to install it will take care of proper ordering when needed (Depends:, Pre-Depends:, etc.) and will refuse to install packages without satisfied dependencies unless --force switches are used. I think it's more accurate to say dpkg only handles files (be it .deb archives or files originating from .deb archives). It has no knowledge of archives, repositories, etc. Yes, what I should have written was 'doesn't automatically resolve all dependencies', as the apt tools (mostly) do. The advent of apt was a gigantic step forward for Debian. The interplay between dpkg and apt is still (to me) quite marvellous. Get a .deb from somewhere (Skype, for example) and dpkg -i package followed by apt-get -f install gets everything sorted. (I expect aptitude does the same, but I am unfamiliar with it). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/03062014191338.70255239f...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
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From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:22 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies The advent of apt was a gigantic step forward for Debian. The interplay between dpkg and apt is still (to me) quite marvellous. Get a .deb from somewhere (Skype, for example) and dpkg -i package followed by apt-get -f install gets everything sorted. The command apt-get -f install means a force install, am I correct?
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Tue 03 Jun 2014 at 15:50:38 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: From: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk The advent of apt was a gigantic step forward for Debian. The interplay between dpkg and apt is still (to me) quite marvellous. Get a .deb from somewhere (Skype, for example) and dpkg -i package followed by apt-get -f install gets everything sorted. The command apt-get -f install means a force install, am I correct? No. please see apt-get(8) (man apt-get) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/04062014001304.f1bd93892...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
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On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 15:50 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: apt-get -f install means a force install, am I correct? No, you aren't! -f, --fix-broken Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. - http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get dpkg -i doesn't resolve dependencies. Before You Ask Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a website chat board, do the following: 1. Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you plan to post to. 2. Try to find an answer by searching the Web. 3. Try to find an answer by reading the manual. 4. Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ. 5. Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation. - http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401837386.823.26.camel@archlinux
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On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 00:14 +0100, Brian wrote: No. please see apt-get(8) (man apt-get) A note to the OP. Yet you might not be able to understand the syntax of a man(ual)page, but you need to learn it. Btw. you could use a search engine to do research in the Internet. https://startpage.com/ Search term: apt-get manual First hit: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get Assumed you're using a GUI web-browser push Ctrl+F Search term: force The first result is: --force-yes Force yes. This is a dangerous option that will cause apt-get to continue without prompting if it is doing something potentially harmful. It should not be used except in very special situations. Using --force-yes can potentially destroy your system! Configuration Item: APT::Get::force-yes. Go back to the beginning of the website and use the search term: -f The fourth result is: -f, --fix-broken Fix. Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. For research to answer your question yourself, you neither need to understand the syntax of a manpage, nor you need to read the whole text. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401839668.823.38.camel@archlinux
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On Wed, 2014-06-04 at 01:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: https://startpage.com/ Search term: apt-get manual First hit: http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get JFTR for the search term: apt-get man or for: apt-get manpage The second hit is manpages.debian.net ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1401840346.823.40.camel@archlinux
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From: Jörg-Volker Peetz jvpe...@web.de To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:09 AM Subject: Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies Thanks for your help, Jorg. The aptitude command offers some help: I read somewhere on the internet that Debian discourages its users to use the 'aptitude' command. Debian encourages us to use the 'apt' command. Is that correct? $ aptitude search '~c' What is the equivalent 'apt' command? $ aptitude purge '~c' The equivalent of the above using 'apt' command is...? $ aptitude purge $(aptitude -F %p search '~g') And the equivalent of '$ aptitude purge $(aptitude -F %p search '~g')' using 'apt' command is.?
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On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 05:49:24 -0700, Horatio Leragon wrote: I read somewhere on the internet that Debian discourages its users to use the 'aptitude' command. Debian encourages us to use the 'apt' command. Is that correct? No. The context you probably saw that in is important. $ aptitude search '~c' What is the equivalent 'apt' command? Please see apt-cache(8). $ aptitude purge '~c' The equivalent of the above using 'apt' command is...? Please see apt-get(8) $ aptitude purge $(aptitude -F %p search '~g') And the equivalent of '$ aptitude purge $(aptitude -F %p search '~g')' using 'apt' command is.? apt-get purge $(aptitude -F %p search '~g') -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01062014143511.d5d72640f...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 05:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com wrote: I read somewhere on the internet that Debian discourages its users to use the 'aptitude' command. Debian encourages us to use the 'apt' command. Is that correct? For the last few upgrades (to my knowledge, maybe always) from one version of Stable to the next, Debian has recommended that one is used, as it will deal better with dependencies. As I recall, apt-get was recommended for the upgrade to Wheezy, and aptitude for the last couple before that. Other than that, it is a matter of personal preference. Aptitude has a command-line text mode and an interactive text-graphics mode, apt-get is older and is purely text. Aptitude merges various tools under one command, apt-get, apt-cache and others make up a small suite to do (roughly) the same jobs. If you have a GUI installed, Synaptic is also an option. They have their own meta-data for package status, such as which are held back from upgrade, so mixing the tools if you are doing anything unusual is not recommended. When you upgrade versions, for example, it is recommended to use *both* apt-get and aptitude to remove holds and verify package status. Not wishing to add confusion, but you may also find references to 'dpkg'. This is the low-level package tool that all the apt tools are front-ends for. It does no dependency checking, and will do exactly what you tell it to do, so it is somewhat dangerous to use. It can do things the apt tools cannot, however, (the man page is quite large) so you may occasionally need to resort to using it, *carefully*. A few of its options are simple and safe: dpkg --get-selections a file is a useful way to keep a record of the installed states of packages, and is probably a good thing to do regularly as part of a backup regimen. dpkg-reconfigure is a utility to re-run the configuration of a package that normally happens only at install time. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140601153637.55aab...@jretrading.com
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On 2014-06-01, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: Other than that, it is a matter of personal preference. Aptitude has a command-line text mode and an interactive text-graphics mode, apt-get is older and is purely text. Aptitude merges various tools under one command, apt-get, apt-cache and others make up a small suite to do (roughly) the same jobs. If you have a GUI installed, Synaptic is also an option. Actually what Debian has to say concerning the prickly matter of package management tool choice is the following: Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages as default and is the preferred program for package management from console to perform system installation and major system upgrades for its robustness. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for daily package management from console. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html I use apt for everything myself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlomg5v.2kd.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
My knowledge and experience with aptitude is much better than with apt/apt-get/apt-cache. As the first document comparing these tools I recommend the one in the package debian-reference-en (or another language you prefer) which of course is also available on the debian site. The search option of aptitude is very versatile and from the man-page of apt-cache(8) I couldn't find options equivalent to '~c' or '~g'. apt-get has also a purge option but I haven't tried it on a list of already removed packages. -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lmfq13$c24$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 20:05:23 +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: My knowledge and experience with aptitude is much better than with apt/apt-get/apt-cache. As the first document comparing these tools I recommend the one in the package debian-reference-en (or another language you prefer) which of course is also available on the debian site. The search option of aptitude is very versatile and from the man-page of apt-cache(8) I couldn't find options equivalent to '~c' or '~g'. I think you are right here. The search functions of aptitude are more powerful (in the sense that its inteface provides them) than those of apt-get/apt-cache. ~c would require descending into dpkg, for example. apt-get has also a purge option but I haven't tried it on a list of already removed packages It doesn't do anything. You have to resort to dpkg. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01062014203842.cd9f0c105...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
After installation or uninstallation of software, I am quite sure there are unwanted files and orphaned dependencies lying around. How do I do a spring cleaning of my OS?
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
Op Sat, 31 May 2014 09:09:22 +0200 schreef Horatio Leragon hlera...@yahoo.com: After installation or uninstallation of software, I am quite sure there are unwanted files and orphaned dependencies lying around. How do I do a spring cleaning of my OS? Try the following commands: $ sudo apt-get autoremove --purge This command will search and remove packages and his configuration with no dependencies. But maybe you like/ need the package $ deborphan Prints (default option) a list of libraries which are unused. You can remove these packages with $ sudo apt-get remove --purge `deborphan` (deborphan can also search for programs that are orphaned, but I will get a lot of false positives) $ cruft Cruft search for files on your system which doesn't belong to a package. It is up to you to decide if you need these files or not. floris
Re: Remove unwanted, orphaned files and dependencies
The aptitude command offers some help: $ aptitude search '~c' searches for packages that were removed but not purged, i.e., their configuration files are still present; to get rid of these files order $ aptitude purge '~c' Next: $ aptitude search '~g' searches for packages not required by any manually installed packages. If you are sure you want to get rid of them order something like $ aptitude purge $(aptitude -F %p search '~g') -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lmcurg$vph$1...@ger.gmane.org
