Re: Sending from newsreader
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:14:25 +0200, Siard wrote: Camaleón wrote: (...) Yep, I guess multi-featured clients like Thunderbird/Icedove/Evolution will do the same way :-) You apparently missed Florian's and Sven's posts. News servers like bofh.it mangle Reference headers, so threads are broken anyway and replying to news messages by mail is not the way to go. Yes, I read it... and they are correct. In this concrete case (Debian ML) we need a gateway to send/receive the messages coming from/to the mailing list and Gmane is used here as a glue to pass the messages and so breaking the threading but in a pure newsgroup (e.g. if there exists a news.debian.org server), I guess there shouldn't be any problem. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.26.14.26...@gmail.com
Re: Sending from newsreader
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:02:21 +0200, Siard wrote: Op Sun, 24 Apr 2011 Andrei Popescu wrote: On Du, 24 apr 11, 13:18:25, Siard wrote: I'm following this list through the newsgroup using Sylpheed. Which newsgroup? Make sure it's using a bi-directional gateway (like gmane does). linux.debian.user. Which server uses that? Gmane's is gmane.linux.debian.user I replied to Camaleón's post using Gmane, but as I understand, posting for the first time may take some days before being accepted. You first need to reply to the Gmane authorization e-mail. Once Gmane can verify that you are a human and not a robot (aren't you a robot, right? :- P), then you can start sending messages normally. I have tried to reply to your post using Pan, but then I got the message below. (...) That reply seems coming from another host... this list is not moderated, you can post/reply messages without the need to be subscribed. BUT I found that if I move your post from the newsgroup in Sylpheed to a mail folder, I can reply from there, while the 'In-Reply-To' and the 'References' in the headers seem OK, so the thread is not even broken. It looks like I've found another way to take part in this mailing list without being subscribed, and without using Gmane. Yep, I guess multi-featured clients like Thunderbird/Icedove/Evolution will do the same way :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.25.10.54...@gmail.com
Re: Sending from newsreader
Camaleón wrote: You first need to reply to the Gmane authorization e-mail. Once Gmane can verify that you are a human and not a robot (aren't you a robot, right? :- P), then you can start sending messages normally. Ah yes, I found it out. Sending through Gmane now. Many thanks. BUT I found that if I move your post from the newsgroup in Sylpheed to a mail folder, I can reply from there, while the 'In-Reply-To' and the 'References' in the headers seem OK, so the thread is not even broken. It looks like I've found another way to take part in this mailing list without being subscribed, and without using Gmane. Yep, I guess multi-featured clients like Thunderbird/Icedove/Evolution will do the same way :-) You apparently missed Florian's and Sven's posts. News servers like bofh.it mangle Reference headers, so threads are broken anyway and replying to news messages by mail is not the way to go. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110425231425.94141c4d.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Sending from newsreader
I wrote: News servers like bofh.it mangle Reference headers It's late at night s/News servers/mail-to-news gateways/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110425234429.ab602b8a.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Sending from newsreader
Hi, I'm following this list through the newsgroup using Sylpheed. But if I send a message or reply to one, my message does not arrive. I know I can send a message by e-mail, even if I'm not subscribed. But how to reply to a message then? Sending by e-mail breaks the thread. Nonetheless, I see other posts that appear to be sent correctly from a newsreader. Is it those newsreaders that can handle this better? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110424131825.fa3b61c9.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Sending from newsreader
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:18:25 +0200, Siard wrote: I'm following this list through the newsgroup using Sylpheed. But if I send a message or reply to one, my message does not arrive. I know I can send a message by e-mail, even if I'm not subscribed. But how to reply to a message then? Sending by e-mail breaks the thread. Nonetheless, I see other posts that appear to be sent correctly from a newsreader. Is it those newsreaders that can handle this better? I also use a newsreader to post/read to/from this mailing list. You can use Gmane (a mail to news gateway) to send/reply messages to the list. http://gmane.org/post.php Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.24.11.46...@gmail.com
Re: Sending from newsreader
On Du, 24 apr 11, 13:18:25, Siard wrote: Hi, I'm following this list through the newsgroup using Sylpheed. Which newsgroup? Make sure it's using a bi-directional gateway (like gmane does). Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sending from newsreader
Op Sun, 24 Apr 2011 Andrei Popescu wrote: On Du, 24 apr 11, 13:18:25, Siard wrote: I'm following this list through the newsgroup using Sylpheed. Which newsgroup? Make sure it's using a bi-directional gateway (like gmane does). linux.debian.user. I replied to Camaleón's post using Gmane, but as I understand, posting for the first time may take some days before being accepted. I have tried to reply to your post using Pan, but then I got the message below. BUT I found that if I move your post from the newsgroup in Sylpheed to a mail folder, I can reply from there, while the 'In-Reply-To' and the 'References' in the headers seem OK, so the thread is not even broken. It looks like I've found another way to take part in this mailing list without being subscribed, and without using Gmane. Subject: Re: Re: Sending from newsreader From: Moderation Robot robo...@news.nic.it ... linux.debian.user is a moderated newsgroup in gateway with a mailing list. Your article has been examined by the automatic moderation program and has been refused because: this hierarchy accepts posts only from registered users. You can register for posting by subscribing to the linux-g...@lists.bofh.it mailing list. You can do so by sending a message with subscribe in the body at the linux-gate-requ...@lists.bofh.it address or by visiting http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110424220221.1611c0e7.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Sending from newsreader
I wrote: BUT I found that if I move your post from the newsgroup in Sylpheed to a mail folder, I can reply from there, while the 'In-Reply-To' and the 'References' in the headers seem OK, so the thread is not even broken. Alas, the thread _does_ appear to be broken -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110424222438.e172da8a.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Sending from newsreader
o Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl: I'm following this list through the newsgroup using Sylpheed. But if I send a message or reply to one, my message does not arrive. I know I can send a message by e-mail, even if I'm not subscribed. But how to reply to a message then? Sending by e-mail breaks the thread. Nonetheless, I see other posts that appear to be sent correctly from a newsreader. Is it those newsreaders that can handle this better? Used to work w/o issues with tin and the linux.* gateway, let's see if this message make it through. Sending with tin. Maybe the linux.* groups are not flagged as moderated on your news site, or the forwarding of the news arts via email doesn't work. flori -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/91jh3hfrr...@mid.individual.net
Re: Sending from newsreader
[header fullquote] o Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl: Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Subject: Re: Sending from newsreader Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:50:02 +0200 Message-ID: glepi-31...@gated-at.bofh.it References: glepi-31k...@gated-at.bofh.it glepi-31k...@gated-at.bofh.it glepi-31k...@gated-at.bofh.it ^^^ X-Original-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Old-Return-Path: shiems...@kpnplanet.nl X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-1 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5] autolearn=ham X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -5 X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i486-pc-linux-gnu) X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originalarrivaltime: 24 Apr 2011 20:24:31.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E2D86C0:01CC02BD] X-Rcptdomain: lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/601668 List-ID: debian-user.lists.debian.org Approved: robo...@news.nic.it Lines: 12 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robo...@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:24:38 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: 20110424222438.e172da8a.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl X-Original-References: gldwf-2m...@gated-at.bofh.it ^^ gldwf-2m...@gated-at.bofh.it gldwf-2m...@gated-at.bofh.it Xref: uni-berlin.de linux.debian.user:412671 I wrote: BUT I found that if I move your post from the newsgroup in Sylpheed to a mail folder, I can reply from there, while the 'In-Reply-To' and the 'References' in the headers seem OK, so the thread is not even broken. Alas, the thread _does_ appear to be broken unmangle the References? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/91jhllfrr...@mid.individual.net
Re: Sending from newsreader
On 2011-04-24 22:24 +0200, Siard wrote: I wrote: BUT I found that if I move your post from the newsgroup in Sylpheed to a mail folder, I can reply from there, while the 'In-Reply-To' and the 'References' in the headers seem OK, so the thread is not even broken. Alas, the thread _does_ appear to be broken Never reply by mail if you use a mail-to-news gateway that mangles Message-IDs, like bofh.it. Reply by news via the same gateway or (preferably) use some other gateway that does not rewrite Message-IDs, e.g. Gmane. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aaff2ur4@turtle.gmx.de
