Re: Mail server recommendations
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 08:10:10AM +0530, Abdullah wrote: I want to setup a mailserver on a debian machine. please help me as i have not got a perfect answer by googling. I wuld like to use squirrelmail. please help. First set up a nameserver, see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/DNS-HOWTO.gz. Install exim4-daemon-heavy, clamav-daemon, spamassassin and exim4-doc-[html|info]. Copy /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf, unzip it and adjust the settings as you need. Check the files regarding the aforementioned packages in /etc/defaults. Install and set up apache2, courier-imap and squirrelmail. You may find that you need a static IP address and DNS entries to successfully send outgoing messages and to retrieve them, and you may want to have a backup MX to receive incoming messages. You can also use a smarthost if you have access to one, and perhaps you want to use fetchmail ... Exim has excellent documentation. There´s no perfect answer about how to set up a mailserver. It can be a very simple thing to do as well as something very complicated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101102201451.gc29...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Mail server recommendations
I want to setup a mailserver on a debian machine. please help me as i have not got a perfect answer by googling. I wuld like to use squirrelmail. please help. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Carlos Mennens carlosw...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) I think Postfix is the best open source MTA available on Linux hands down. I have used Sendmail, Qmail, and Exim and none of them have given me the flexability and security of Postfix. Not to mention it's the easiest thing to configure. The only downfall to Postfix is the mailing list / community. At times their very unsupportive and can make you feel like an idiot for asking good questions. It's not just a matter of 'use Google'... Spamassassin is resource (ram/cpu) consuming and provided that you are not going online (no spam) it could be omitted. I use Spamassassin (spamd) with Amavisd-new which is a great tool and I think developed especially well on Debian over any other distribution. As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. Squirrelmail to me is dated and featureless in my opinion. Roundcube is the best webmail project available on Linux to date but there are things I wish they would hurry up and add to the features list. Here's my list for all my mail servers: - Postfix - Dovecot - PostgreSQL - Amavisd-new - ClamAV - Spamassassin - Roundcube -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin2msq-fv0vlkhygnlr7x1ujja6v9dzgoio...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
On 26/10/10 13:20, Carlos Mennens wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleónnoela...@gmail.com wrote: I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) I think Postfix is the best open source MTA available on Linux hands down. I have used Sendmail, Qmail, and Exim and none of them have given me the flexability and security of Postfix. I'll just throw in a counter view here. I currently use Exim - starting from the base as configured by Debian and then tweaked to match my requirements. In particular, I am able to use the flexibility that the Exim system provides (for example) understand the difference between mail for me personally and mail for my business account and put them into different Unix accounts (I use Courier IMAP to provide support to read e-mail) and all this despite using the same name. Another tweak I made is to automatically copy and save all outgoing mail that originated locally. Again a tweak I couldn't find out how to simply do in Postfix. Previously when I ran mailman mailing lists on the same machine, I was able to have Exim handle them automatically (ie no change to the Exim configuration when I added or removed a mailing list). Again, I couldn't find a way with Postfix to set that up. Now I accept that I may not be an expert at Postfix, and as such may have missed the way to achieve the flexibility, but just reading and comparing facilities in the Exim and Postfix documentation has always led me to believe that Exim had the ability to tweak things at much more detail than Postfix. As I said above, I have stuck with Courier IMAP to provide both IMAP (for locally connected computers) and IMAPS for external devices (my iPhone). This has also performed flawlessly for me with the standard configuration provided by Debian. -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc7df12.6020...@chandlerfamily.org.uk
Re: Mail server recommendations
Postfix + Cyrus + SASL for simple users. You can add spamassassin + pyzor/rzor config your SASL to use LDAP or other auth method. For me postfix + cyrus is just a better combi. On Wednesday, 27 October, 2010 04:13 PM, Alan Chandler wrote: On 26/10/10 13:20, Carlos Mennens wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleónnoela...@gmail.com wrote: I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) I think Postfix is the best open source MTA available on Linux hands down. I have used Sendmail, Qmail, and Exim and none of them have given me the flexability and security of Postfix. I'll just throw in a counter view here. I currently use Exim - starting from the base as configured by Debian and then tweaked to match my requirements. In particular, I am able to use the flexibility that the Exim system provides (for example) understand the difference between mail for me personally and mail for my business account and put them into different Unix accounts (I use Courier IMAP to provide support to read e-mail) and all this despite using the same name. Another tweak I made is to automatically copy and save all outgoing mail that originated locally. Again a tweak I couldn't find out how to simply do in Postfix. Previously when I ran mailman mailing lists on the same machine, I was able to have Exim handle them automatically (ie no change to the Exim configuration when I added or removed a mailing list). Again, I couldn't find a way with Postfix to set that up. Now I accept that I may not be an expert at Postfix, and as such may have missed the way to achieve the flexibility, but just reading and comparing facilities in the Exim and Postfix documentation has always led me to believe that Exim had the ability to tweak things at much more detail than Postfix. As I said above, I have stuck with Courier IMAP to provide both IMAP (for locally connected computers) and IMAPS for external devices (my iPhone). This has also performed flawlessly for me with the standard configuration provided by Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc81a35.6050...@gmail.com
Mail server recommendations
Hi all, I figured I would ask for a sanity check here. I'm looking to replace my internal mail server. Right now, I'm running Zimbra 5.0.x, but I have always run on the low end of the hardware requirements, and now, the box I am running on (2.4 GHz P4, 1GB RAM) is being beaten to death by java in zimbra. Load average always hovers between 3 and 6. Now the mail server, since Comcast blocked port 25, is mainly used for internal monitor/security messages, like ossec and opsview, apticron messages, etc. So I was looking to set up an OpenVZ container, probably sid, as a mailserver with the following: * postfix * dovecot * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) * roundcube for webmail Anyone got any suggestons? Either anything I'm missing or packages that work better? Thanks, --b
Re: Mail server recommendations
On 10/26/2010 06:10 AM, B. Alexander wrote: Hi all, I figured I would ask for a sanity check here. I'm looking to replace my internal mail server. Right now, I'm running Zimbra 5.0.x, but I have always run on the low end of the hardware requirements, and now, the box I am running on (2.4 GHz P4, 1GB RAM) is being beaten to death by java in zimbra. Load average always hovers between 3 and 6. Now the mail server, since Comcast blocked port 25, is mainly used for internal monitor/security messages, like ossec and opsview, apticron messages, etc. So I was looking to set up an OpenVZ container, probably sid, as a mailserver with the following: * postfix * dovecot * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) * roundcube for webmail Anyone got any suggestons? Either anything I'm missing or packages that work better? I think that any modern, inexpensive system (dual- or quad-core AMD CPUs running around 3GHz, 4GB RAM) would fit the bill. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc6bc31.1030...@cox.net
Re: Mail server recommendations
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:10:33 -0400, B. Alexander wrote: (...) Now the mail server, since Comcast blocked port 25, is mainly used for internal monitor/security messages, like ossec and opsview, apticron messages, etc. So I was looking to set up an OpenVZ container, probably sid, as a mailserver with the following: * postfix * dovecot * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) * roundcube for webmail Anyone got any suggestons? Either anything I'm missing or packages that work better? I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) Spamassassin is resource (ram/cpu) consuming and provided that you are not going online (no spam) it could be omitted. As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.26.12.13...@gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
I had considered squirrel, but I'm not in love with the interface. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:10:33 -0400, B. Alexander wrote: (...) Now the mail server, since Comcast blocked port 25, is mainly used for internal monitor/security messages, like ossec and opsview, apticron messages, etc. So I was looking to set up an OpenVZ container, probably sid, as a mailserver with the following: * postfix * dovecot * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) * roundcube for webmail Anyone got any suggestons? Either anything I'm missing or packages that work better? I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) Spamassassin is resource (ram/cpu) consuming and provided that you are not going online (no spam) it could be omitted. As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.26.12.13...@gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) I think Postfix is the best open source MTA available on Linux hands down. I have used Sendmail, Qmail, and Exim and none of them have given me the flexability and security of Postfix. Not to mention it's the easiest thing to configure. The only downfall to Postfix is the mailing list / community. At times their very unsupportive and can make you feel like an idiot for asking good questions. It's not just a matter of 'use Google'... Spamassassin is resource (ram/cpu) consuming and provided that you are not going online (no spam) it could be omitted. I use Spamassassin (spamd) with Amavisd-new which is a great tool and I think developed especially well on Debian over any other distribution. As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. Squirrelmail to me is dated and featureless in my opinion. Roundcube is the best webmail project available on Linux to date but there are things I wish they would hurry up and add to the features list. Here's my list for all my mail servers: - Postfix - Dovecot - PostgreSQL - Amavisd-new - ClamAV - Spamassassin - Roundcube -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin2msq-fv0vlkhygnlr7x=1ujja6v9dzgoio...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, B. Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote: I had considered squirrel, but I'm not in love with the interface. It's dated in appearance and the lack of a back end database is what killed it for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimksofewosgfkymanvwpqvpkted_r3sjw8xh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
I don't mind keeping my mail in a flat file rather than a db. I guess if I were doing higher volume stuff, it might make a difference, but most of the emails I deal with are read, deal with and delete. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Carlos Mennens carlosw...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) I think Postfix is the best open source MTA available on Linux hands down. I have used Sendmail, Qmail, and Exim and none of them have given me the flexability and security of Postfix. Not to mention it's the easiest thing to configure. The only downfall to Postfix is the mailing list / community. At times their very unsupportive and can make you feel like an idiot for asking good questions. It's not just a matter of 'use Google'... Spamassassin is resource (ram/cpu) consuming and provided that you are not going online (no spam) it could be omitted. I use Spamassassin (spamd) with Amavisd-new which is a great tool and I think developed especially well on Debian over any other distribution. As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. Squirrelmail to me is dated and featureless in my opinion. Roundcube is the best webmail project available on Linux to date but there are things I wish they would hurry up and add to the features list. Here's my list for all my mail servers: - Postfix - Dovecot - PostgreSQL - Amavisd-new - ClamAV - Spamassassin - Roundcube -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin2msq-fv0vlkhygnlr7x1ujja6v9dzgoio...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
Hi, I use dovecot, postfix, assp, openfire e egroupware. I'm looking a better webclient like zimbra, but for the backend the is no better over hw efficiency. All this solutions uses ldap as backend for users. Regards.- You don't know where your shadow will fall, Somebody.- Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta (BB) ola...@gmail.com http://olafrv.googlepages.com -Original Message- From: B. Alexander stor...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:10:33 To: Debian-user Listdebian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Mail server recommendations Hi all, I figured I would ask for a sanity check here. I'm looking to replace my internal mail server. Right now, I'm running Zimbra 5.0.x, but I have always run on the low end of the hardware requirements, and now, the box I am running on (2.4 GHz P4, 1GB RAM) is being beaten to death by java in zimbra. Load average always hovers between 3 and 6. Now the mail server, since Comcast blocked port 25, is mainly used for internal monitor/security messages, like ossec and opsview, apticron messages, etc. So I was looking to set up an OpenVZ container, probably sid, as a mailserver with the following: * postfix * dovecot * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) * roundcube for webmail Anyone got any suggestons? Either anything I'm missing or packages that work better? Thanks, --b
Re: Mail server recommendations
On Ter, 26 Out 2010, B. Alexander wrote: * roundcube for webmail You could try IMP, part of the Horde suite for e-mail. It's only slightly less ugly than SquirrelMail, but it is extremely powerful feature-wise. -- Use at own risk. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101026105713.21443roelekt8...@mail.kalinowski.com.br
Re: Mail server recommendations
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:18:41 -0400, B. Alexander wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Camaleón wrote: I like Postfix and Dovecot :-) Spamassassin is resource (ram/cpu) consuming and provided that you are not going online (no spam) it could be omitted. As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. I had considered squirrel, but I'm not in love with the interface. Okay :-) Besides aesthetics, I would also care about Dovecot (imap server) and webmail compatibility to avoid any problem. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.26.13.37...@gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
I think that any modern, inexpensive system (dual- or quad-core AMD CPUs running around 3GHz, 4GB RAM) would fit the bill. OP didnt say how many users would be using it, but it doesn't sound like many considering his existing box. Postfix with things like clamav, spamassiain, webmail, mysql and imap with certificates can easily run on a duel core 2GHz Pentium with 1GB RAM. I have quite a bit of mail running through mine very easily. This is very out of date, and please don't follow it, especially since this is FC10, but you can take some ideas from here http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squirrelmail-fedora-10 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc6d6d0.5030...@sharescope.co.uk
Re: Mail server recommendations
On 2010-10-26 14:13, Camaleón wrote: * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) spampd is your friend. * roundcube for webmail As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. RoundCube is simply great. At least this is what my users tell me (a lot, BTW). For people who like to double-click in web apps and do drag and drop because they can't tell the difference between a local app and a web app, RoundCube is THE frontend to use. They try to behave as much as possible like a local app. Users seem to like it. In addition to that, it's actively developed patches that you send get applied very quickly. postfix, spampd, clamav, dovecot and roundcube play together very nicely. Just my 2c. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc6e233.6060...@worldwideweber.ch
Re: Mail server recommendations
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:14:11 +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-26 14:13, Camaleón wrote: * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) spampd is your friend. AFAIK, spamd comes within SA. * roundcube for webmail As an alternative to Roundcube (I avoid webmail as much as I can) I would take a look into Squirrel. RoundCube is simply great. At least this is what my users tell me (a lot, BTW). For people who like to double-click in web apps and do drag and drop because they can't tell the difference between a local app and a web app, RoundCube is THE frontend to use. They try to behave as much as possible like a local app. Users seem to like it. Users like many things (i.e., Hotmail/Livemail :-P) but and admin has also to care about another things (server requirements, performance, stability and security). And having to setup a SQL database server just for handling e-mail users can be a bit overwhelming and not suitable for small environments. IIRC, Squirrel used to have one or two requirements, but not sure for Roundcube. Can Roundcube run without a backend SQL database? :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.26.14.42...@gmail.com
Re: Mail server recommendations
On 26/10/10 13:21, Carlos Mennens wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:18 AM, B. Alexanderstor...@gmail.com wrote: I had considered squirrel, but I'm not in love with the interface. It's dated in appearance and the lack of a back end database is what killed it for me. You can connect squirrellmail to sql. You set it up in the config.php page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc6eab3.7030...@sharescope.co.uk
Re: Mail server recommendations
On 2010-10-26 16:42, Camaleón wrote: Users like many things (i.e., Hotmail/Livemail :-P) but and admin has also to care about another things (server requirements, performance, stability and security). adminIt's stable, since years and with many concurrent users. And the support efforts for explaining users how to setup client X on their OS Y with firewall problems Z has dramatically decreased. They simply use RoundCube because it comes in so local app alike./admin And having to setup a SQL database server just for handling e-mail users can be a bit overwhelming and not suitable for small environments. IIRC, Squirrel used to have one or two requirements, but not sure for Roundcube. Can Roundcube run without a backend SQL database? :-? If an SQLite file is too big for you, then no. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc6f82d.8060...@worldwideweber.ch
Re: Mail server recommendations
On 26/10/10 12:10, B. Alexander wrote: Hi all, I figured I would ask for a sanity check here. I'm looking to replace my internal mail server. Right now, I'm running Zimbra 5.0.x, but I have always run on the low end of the hardware requirements, and now, the box I am running on (2.4 GHz P4, 1GB RAM) is being beaten to death by java in zimbra. Load average always hovers between 3 and 6. Now the mail server, since Comcast blocked port 25, is mainly used for internal monitor/security messages, like ossec and opsview, apticron messages, etc. So I was looking to set up an OpenVZ container, probably sid, as a mailserver with the following: * postfix * dovecot * spamassassin (in case I ever decide to work around the port 25 block) * roundcube for webmail Anyone got any suggestons? Either anything I'm missing or packages that work better? I've never had trouble with the Debian default of exim4, so I've never looked around for a replacement. I picked Courier IMAP several years ago, and again have never seen a reason to move. I use webmail only occasionally, so the aesthetics of SquirrelMail are not a problem. I have tried spamassassin, but as others have said, it's a bit of a hog. Or it was when I last ran it, several years ago now. These days I use no subject or content checking at all, just a few SMTP-level tests in addition to exim4's standard DNS and sender checks. It checks just under 3000 blacklisted CIDR blocks, refuses about 20 country codes in HELO and PTR strings, attempts to recognise dynamic IP addresses from the same strings and refuses two or three particularly egregious foreign ISPs. I assume postfix will do the same kind of thing. The email address at the top of this post is genuine, and has existed for over twelve years on the same fixed IP address. I therefore get between 2500 and 5000 SMTP connection attempts a day, of which about 100 are genuine. An average of about 1.5 spams a day make it through to my Inbox, and Icedove spots almost all of them. That's for a couple of seconds of exim4 run time a day, on a dual-2.8G CPU machine with half a gig of RAM. To be honest, the CIDR block checking is a bit of a hobby of mine, and only accounts for about half a dozen spams a day, while the DNS check alone kills about 40% of them and takes a fraction of the time. My ISP uses a commercial anti-spam service, and I check the webmail for that domain every couple of weeks or so to avoid innocent people getting NDR spam, and without any doubt, exim4 does a far better job than their service. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc6f84d.4010...@jretrading.com
Re: Server recommendations?
Andy Smith wrote: On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:05:04PM +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote: I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. What is your budget? Considering what more than 16 GB of memory cost these days, I don't think the costs of the board and the casing is limiting the choice much. Is it? What is the desired form factor? 1U? 2U? 4U? Bigger? This is no constraint on the form factor. At present I'm toying with the idea of an HP ProLiant ML370 G5. BTW: Thanks to all others who contributed to this thread for their recommendations! -- Stefan Bellon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:05:04PM +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote: I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. What is your budget? What is the desired form factor? 1U? 2U? 4U? Bigger? Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting Encrypted mail welcome - keyid 0x604DE5DB signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Server recommendations?
Greg Folkert wrote: I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. Thanks for this information. However the URL you cite says that it can hold only up to 16GB of RAM (as do the QuickSpecs for that server). On another note: Are there any pros and cons regarding AMD vs. Intel? What about the form factor (rack vs. blade vs. tower)? I've built and administered several servers in the past, but it's the first time that I'm going for a server of that potential, therefore I'm grateful for any kind of advice. But do I understand it correctly that you cannot do anything really wrong when going for a HP Proliant since they mention Debian support for those servers? -- Stefan Bellon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
Am Dienstag, den 16.01.2007, 09:59 +0100 schrieb Stefan Bellon: Greg Folkert wrote: I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. I do have three of them downstairs, but I do have SERIOUS trouble with PCI-X-SCSI-Controllers (Testet LSI-Logig and Adaptec-Chipsets) Got Kernel-Oooops and even Panics Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 09:59 +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. Thanks for this information. However the URL you cite says that it can hold only up to 16GB of RAM (as do the QuickSpecs for that server). Hmmm, I was going on memory (haha, a joke) So I guess 16GB is the max. And yeah it looks that way. I only have 1 processor and 4GB (4*1GB Chips) being used. On another note: Are there any pros and cons regarding AMD vs. Intel? What about the form factor (rack vs. blade vs. tower)? I've built and administered several servers in the past, but it's the first time that I'm going for a server of that potential, therefore I'm grateful for any kind of advice. For the price, you can't really go wrong. The machines have ~ 15 double fans in them, meaning they are really concerned about air flow. Mind you, these are NOT quiet machines at all. If they stay cool, they are nice and quiet. But once they really get doing and warm up the fans go to 15K rpms. But do I understand it correctly that you cannot do anything really wrong when going for a HP Proliant since they mention Debian support for those servers? Not all HP Proliant and/or Netservers are really able to support Debian or RedHat Linux. So choose wisely. On a note, some of the *REALLY* new models do support Linux, but have weird quirks in them that are in the process of being fixed by HP and RedHat (which also means Debian will get the fix). Ubuntu runs very well on most of the machines, if that is your choosing. You can also choose Sun's Sunfire X-series servers. http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x2100/ Very capable machines as well. They do run Solaris *AND* many/most Linux distros, besides the *BSDs. Sun kits are very well apportioned. I know a VERY VERY large messaging company that deploy a rack of these a day when doing work towards capacity enhancement. That turns out to be about 3 days a month. They do run Debian Linux on them. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Server recommendations?
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 13:14 +0100, Richard wrote: Am Dienstag, den 16.01.2007, 09:59 +0100 schrieb Stefan Bellon: Greg Folkert wrote: I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. I do have three of them downstairs, but I do have SERIOUS trouble with PCI-X-SCSI-Controllers (Testet LSI-Logig and Adaptec-Chipsets) Got Kernel-Oooops and even Panics There are VERY recent BIOS and Firmware updates to fix issues regarding some Kernel oops and panics. Not just from HP but also from LSI and Adaptec. Some as recent as December 26 for HP's stuff and one even as recently updated for Adaptec's stuff (though it might not be publicly available right now) You'd prolly want to update the firmware. And probably want to get a newer kernel than Sarge has. Etch would be a good candidate. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Server recommendations?
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 09:56 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 13:14 +0100, Richard wrote: Am Dienstag, den 16.01.2007, 09:59 +0100 schrieb Stefan Bellon: Greg Folkert wrote: I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. I do have three of them downstairs, but I do have SERIOUS trouble with PCI-X-SCSI-Controllers (Testet LSI-Logig and Adaptec-Chipsets) Got Kernel-Oooops and even Panics There are VERY recent BIOS and Firmware updates to fix issues regarding some Kernel oops and panics. Not just from HP but also from LSI and Adaptec. Some as recent as December 26 for HP's stuff and one even as recently updated for Adaptec's stuff (though it might not be publicly available right now) You'd prolly want to update the firmware. And probably want to get a newer kernel than Sarge has. Etch would be a good candidate. Geez, people. I am subscribed to this mailing list. Please do not send to me directly. It is annoying. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Server recommendations?
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 10:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:56:51AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 13:14 +0100, Richard wrote: Am Dienstag, den 16.01.2007, 09:59 +0100 schrieb Stefan Bellon: Greg Folkert wrote: I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. I do have three of them downstairs, but I do have SERIOUS trouble with PCI-X-SCSI-Controllers (Testet LSI-Logig and Adaptec-Chipsets) Got Kernel-Oooops and even Panics There are VERY recent BIOS and Firmware updates to fix issues regarding some Kernel oops and panics. Not just from HP but also from LSI and Adaptec. Some as recent as December 26 for HP's stuff and one even as recently updated for Adaptec's stuff (though it might not be publicly available right now) You'd prolly want to update the firmware. And probably want to get a newer kernel than Sarge has. Etch would be a good candidate. But not the 2.6.18-3 kernel, which, as of yesterday, was still the default kernel for etch. See bug 401006. OKAY, Hendrik. STOP with the nitpicking. This is a bug that has been screwing with Linus hisself for a while, and even in 2.6.20 is NOT FIXED. Please, understand that, *IN GENERAL* the 2.6.18 kernel is a good choice. I have been using 2.6.18 SINCE it entered Sid, I have had zero issues with it. Unless people are using specific setups with also using torrent software doing HEAVY downloading... using file hashing and mysnc(), they are not likely to hammer this bug. *I* have done heavy downloading and have gotten into the exact same green-zone for this bug and haven't experienced it. You are over reacting. NOTHING is PERFECT. If you don't want to be part of the solution and help fix the issue, including adding to bug reports or writing patches, testing them etc... STOP CONDEMNING the work. Also, I am subscribe to the mailing list. Do not CC me please. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Server recommendations?
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 23:05 +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote: I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. Anything people can recommend? I just built one of these from SuperMicro: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/3U/6035/SYS-6035B-8R.cfm With 2Gb memory, a single Xeon 5140 (only 2.33 GHz), and 2 10K 147Gb SCSI Drives, the system was ~$3300. Etch installed without any hiccups very nicely. In fact, easier than I expected. Sarge, however, didn't like the NIC's, which is why I installed Etch. This is a fairly noisey surver, with the 6 fans blowing pretty hard. I'm not sure if there's any driver support to throttle those fans down a bit, and quiet the thing down. I doubt I need all 6 fans blowing at Mach LOUD with just the one processor. I may just pull the fans that seem to be for Processor #2 and see how much that quiets it down. Not to plug a vendor, but you can get everything you need for this SuperMicro server at NewEgg.com Steve Belt
Re: Server recommendations?
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:05:04PM +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote: I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. Anything people can recommend? I looked into this when I was designing my new system. What you want is beyond my budget but I was pointed towards Tyan boards. I drooled over their quad opteron with 8 GB RAM per CPU. Of course, each CPU could be dual or quad (when available) core. It would run the amd64 port of Etch. In the end, since I was building a personal box, I couldn't afford to go Opteron so I went with Asus board with Athlon. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 10:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But not the 2.6.18-3 kernel, which, as of yesterday, was still the default kernel for etch. See bug 401006. OKAY, Hendrik. STOP with the nitpicking. This is a bug that has been screwing with Linus hisself for a while, and even in 2.6.20 is NOT FIXED. Ouch. Please, understand that, *IN GENERAL* the 2.6.18 kernel is a good choice. I have been using 2.6.18 SINCE it entered Sid, I have had zero issues with it. Unless people are using specific setups with also using torrent software doing HEAVY downloading... using file hashing and mysnc(), they are not likely to hammer this bug. *I* have done heavy downloading and have gotten into the exact same green-zone for this bug and haven't experienced it. I hit this bug by doing an installation! Nothing more than that. I can't use the installed system because the file system is already corrupted by the time I finish installing packages, as documented in bug reports I have filed. I haven't been using bittorrent or any heavy downloading *except by using the installer and aptitude to install packages*. -- hendrik You are over reacting. NOTHING is PERFECT. If you don't want to be part of the solution and help fix the issue, including adding to bug reports or writing patches, testing them etc... STOP CONDEMNING the work. I have filed bug reports. #405506, specifically addresses the problems I'm having with this bug. If I could get my installer set up to use and install 2.6.18-2, I would. (The RC1 doesn't work for me for other reasons, which I haven't investigated because they seem to be fixed in later daily builds) Frankly, this bug scares me. I've backed out of 2.6.18-3 on my file-server, because I'm afraid. Better the X freeze bug in 2.6.17 than risk file system damage. I can survive without running an X server on my server better than I can survive with a corrupt file system. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/16/07 15:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 10:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But not the 2.6.18-3 kernel, which, as of yesterday, was still the default kernel for etch. See bug 401006. OKAY, Hendrik. STOP with the nitpicking. This is a bug that has been screwing with Linus hisself for a while, and even in 2.6.20 is NOT FIXED. Ouch. Please, understand that, *IN GENERAL* the 2.6.18 kernel is a good choice. I have been using 2.6.18 SINCE it entered Sid, I have had zero issues with it. Unless people are using specific setups with also using torrent software doing HEAVY downloading... using file hashing and mysnc(), they are not likely to hammer this bug. *I* have done heavy downloading and have gotten into the exact same green-zone for this bug and haven't experienced it. I hit this bug by doing an installation! Nothing more than that. I can't use the installed system because the file system is already corrupted by the time I finish installing packages, as documented in bug reports I have filed. I haven't been using bittorrent or any heavy downloading *except by using the installer and aptitude to install packages*. What FS are you using? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFrVlqS9HxQb37XmcRArgpAJ9lujEmyLTsb09A+cNRYvubASEdBQCg11vH 4GGVo+jUOmEIU3EXUjlSgcc= =19RT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 05:02:02PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/16/07 15:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 10:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But not the 2.6.18-3 kernel, which, as of yesterday, was still the default kernel for etch. See bug 401006. OKAY, Hendrik. STOP with the nitpicking. This is a bug that has been screwing with Linus hisself for a while, and even in 2.6.20 is NOT FIXED. Ouch. Please, understand that, *IN GENERAL* the 2.6.18 kernel is a good choice. I have been using 2.6.18 SINCE it entered Sid, I have had zero issues with it. Unless people are using specific setups with also using torrent software doing HEAVY downloading... using file hashing and mysnc(), they are not likely to hammer this bug. *I* have done heavy downloading and have gotten into the exact same green-zone for this bug and haven't experienced it. I hit this bug by doing an installation! Nothing more than that. I can't use the installed system because the file system is already corrupted by the time I finish installing packages, as documented in bug reports I have filed. I haven't been using bittorrent or any heavy downloading *except by using the installer and aptitude to install packages*. What FS are you using? It failed with jfs. It failed with ext2. There's a sarge system in another partition that works perfectly, so I don't think it's hardware (of course, it *could* be...) -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. Anything people can recommend? Dell PowerEdge 1950 can have up to 2 quad-core Xeons, for 8 cores total. Supports up to 32 GB. Mind you, 16 GB costs about $3000, whereas 32 GB costs $20,000! Just for the memory. These are Dell prices, I'm sure you can find cheaper memory. Configured with 2 dual-core Xeons at 3.0 GHz and 16 GB of RAM, two 150 GB SAS hard drives configured in RAID, costs about $8400. Configured with 2 quad-core Xeons at 2.66 GHz and 32 GB or RAM, everything else the same, costs about $30,000. -- Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Server recommendations?
I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. Anything people can recommend? -- Stefan Bellon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server recommendations?
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 23:05 +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote: I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. Anything people can recommend? I've been running this: HP Proliant DL145 G2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/ Since May 2006, of course I don't have a REALLY fast one. But the machine supports 1 or 2 processors (single or Dual core) and 32GB of memory. It is a 1U machine with a PCIe and a PCI-X slot. I had some issues with the Dual NICs initially, but since the 2.6.18 kernel for Debian came out, its been fine. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Server recommendations?
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:05:04 +0100, Stefan Bellon wrote I'm looking for server hardware with the following contraints: dual or quad core 64-bit CPU at 2.5 GHz and more than 16 GB of RAM. And of course it should run Debian GNU/Linux without problems. Everything else is not that important. Anything people can recommend? I've always been in favor of buying gear seperately and building it myself. The down side is that you might get less warranty on parts if you buy them seperately. Antec cases and Power supply have always been my favorite. The Antec Titan will hold the larger size Server Motherboards. Lately, I've been eyeing up this gear: Intel S5000VSA series http://www.intel.com/products/server/motherboard/index.htm?iid=mbd_main+sv Also, 2 x Intel Xeon's 51xx Series A server with Antec case, PS, Intel board and Intel CPU's with 8 gig of PC2-5300 RAM and 6 x 320 GB SATA2 Hard drives came out to about $4200.00 CAN. before taxes. Installed AMD64 Etch on a similar box and it runs great. The S5000VSA has sensors that the ipmitool can read for MB temp and CPU, along with fan rpm. Cheers, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
calendar server recommendations?
i can see that my partners are soon going to be looking at claendar server features... m$ exchange server is going to be the touchstone -- if some of y'all'uns have experience with some of the calendaring solutions available on debian, i'd love to hear them. we've got some outlook users and some linux users -- and would like a linux server to handle the various client calendar applications (also need a recommendation on the linux client app for calendaring -- evolution?) all i found packaged for debian so far was courier-pcp: $ apt-cache search calendar | grep serv caudium-php4 - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language courier-pcp - Courier Mail Server - PCP server libapache2-mod-php4 - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language libroxen-calendar - A calendar module for the Roxen Challenger web server php4 - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language php4-cgi - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language remind - a sophisticated reminder service the 'pcp' description was a bit terse, but i thought maybe that's what i should be looking for: $ apt-cache search pcp bootcd - run your system from cd without need for disks courier-pcp - Courier Mail Server - PCP server librapi2-tools - Tools for talking to a WinCE machine from the command line pcproxy - A masquerading proxy for flight simulation networks zut alors. i also tried $ apt-cache search calendar | grep group evolution - The groupware suite phpgroupware - web based groupware system written in PHP phpgroupware-addressbook - phpGroupWare addressbook management module phpgroupware-admin - phpGroupWare administration module phpgroupware-bookmarks - phpGroupWare bookmark management module phpgroupware-calendar - phpGroupWare calendar management module phpgroupware-chat - phpGroupWare chat module phpgroupware-comic - phpGroupWare comic strip parser module phpgroupware-core - empty transitional package for phpGroupWare phpgroupware-developer-tools - phpGroupWare developer tools phpgroupware-dj - phpGroupWare mp3 database interface module phpgroupware-eldaptir - phpGroupWare LDAP tree editor module phpgroupware-email - phpGroupWare E-Mail client module phpgroupware-etemplate - phpGroupWare etemplate module phpgroupware-felamimail - phpGroupWare felamimail (Squirrelmail) module phpgroupware-filemanager - phpGroupWare filemanager module phpgroupware-folders - phpGroupWare folders module phpgroupware-forum - phpGroupWare forum module phpgroupware-ftp - phpGroupWare ftp module phpgroupware-fudforum - phpGroupWare fudforum module phpgroupware-headlines - phpGroupWare headlines catcher module phpgroupware-hr - phpGroupWare human resource management module phpgroupware-img - phpGroupWare image editor module phpgroupware-infolog - phpGroupWare infolog applcation phpgroupware-manual - phpGroupWare on-line manual module phpgroupware-messenger - phpGroupWare messenger module phpgroupware-news-admin - phpGroupWare news administration interface phpgroupware-nntp - phpGroupWare newsgroup reader module phpgroupware-notes - phpGroupWare notes management module phpgroupware-phonelog - phpGroupWare phone logging module phpgroupware-phpbrain - phpGroupWare phpbrain module phpgroupware-phpgwapi - library of common phpGroupWare functions phpgroupware-phpsysinfo - phpGroupWare phpSysInfo module phpgroupware-polls - phpGroupWare polling module phpgroupware-preferences - phpGroupWare preferences management module phpgroupware-projects - phpGroupWare projects management module phpgroupware-qmailldap - phpGroupWare qmailldap module phpgroupware-registration - phpGroupWare registration module phpgroupware-setup - phpGroupWare setup III module phpgroupware-sitemgr - phpGroupWare web content manager phpgroupware-skel - phpGroupWare skeleton module phpgroupware-soap - phpGroupWare SOAP module phpgroupware-stocks - phpGroupWare stock management module phpgroupware-todo - phpGroupWare todo list management module phpgroupware-tts - phpGroupWare tts module phpgroupware-wiki - phpGroupWare wiki module phpgroupware-xmlrpc - phpGroupWare XMLRPC module but that's looking like html-generating stuff, not calendar-sharing. the client machines will have their own calendars; we then need to merge and share those calendars among and between each other. http://www.linuxlinks.com/Web/Productivity_Tools/Calendar/ lots of ideas there -- but would love to have some comments from those with first-hand experience with any linux (preferably .deb -available) calendaring server packages. hmm? -- I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0; Linux boss 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i586 unknown DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #50 from Will Trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Want to specify EDITOR SETTINGS WHEN LAUNCHING FROM MUTT? Put something like this in your ~/.muttrc file: set editor=vim -c 'set ft=mail tw=64' That ensures that Vim syntax highlighting is set for mail patterns, and that text will wrap automatically at 64 columns. (For more info, try :help tw or :help ft when
IRC server recommendations
Hey you people. I want to install an IRC server in my machine, a private one, the administration must be able to add and remove user accounts, these account with passwds. You can't get into the network unless invated, etc. is this possible? If so, which is the best out there? I did [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search irc | grep server ctrlproxy - An IRC proxy with multiserver support dancer-ircd - an IRC server designed for centrally maintained network dante-server - SOCKS (v4 and v5) proxy daemon (danted) firebird-s32-server - FireBird Super w/ 32bit I/O - RDBMS based on InterBase 6.0 code firebird-s64-server - FireBird Super w/ 64bit I/O - RDBMS based on InterBase 6.0 code ircd-hybrid - High-performance secure IRC server ircd-irc2 - The original IRCNet IRC server daemon ircd-ptlink - PTlink IRC server libsoap-lite-perl - Perl5 modules for client and server side SOAP implementationlyskom-server - Server for the LysKOM conference system netselect - Choose the fastest server automatically opennap - Open source Napster server. riece-async - connect to IRC server via asynchronous proxy for riece xpilot-server - Server for hosting XPilot games [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Has anyone had experince with this that is willing to share? Thank you in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file server recommendations?
On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 22:09, Jack Pistachio wrote: I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the debian ssh package. To use these with windows, I'd suggest putty sftp client for windows. This seems th easiest way to do it. This, of course, requires that your friends are users on your system. www.ssh.com have some very nice and easy to use windows clients as well both for ssh and scp. Shri -- Shri Shrikumar U R Byte Solutions I.T. ConsultantEdinburgh, Scotland Tel: 0845 644 4745 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.urbyte.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file server recommendations?
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 05:12:09PM +, Shri Shrikumar wrote.. On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 22:09, Jack Pistachio wrote: I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the debian ssh package. To use these with windows, I'd suggest putty sftp client for windows. This seems th easiest way to do it. This, of course, requires that your friends are users on your system. www.ssh.com have some very nice and easy to use windows clients as well both for ssh and scp. What's a good, and hopefully open source free, program that can act as a SSH server on a Windows box? I do most of my work in Linux/Debian, but there's one offsite webserver I have to take care of that's Win2K. Presently I ftp files up to it, but I'd rather be doing something a little more secure. Is there a way of getting an SSH server running on it that my Debian SSH client can connect to? Thanks Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: file server recommendations?
Try the free cygwin download: http://www..cygwin.com/ Kevin Coyner wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 05:12:09PM +, Shri Shrikumar wrote.. On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 22:09, Jack Pistachio wrote: I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the debian ssh package. To use these with windows, I'd suggest putty sftp client for windows. This seems th easiest way to do it. This, of course, requires that your friends are users on your system. www.ssh.com have some very nice and easy to use windows clients as well both for ssh and scp. What's a good, and hopefully open source free, program that can act as a SSH server on a Windows box? I do most of my work in Linux/Debian, but there's one offsite webserver I have to take care of that's Win2K. Presently I ftp files up to it, but I'd rather be doing something a little more secure. Is there a way of getting an SSH server running on it that my Debian SSH client can connect to? Thanks Kevin -- = = Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the = = right things.- Peter Drucker= =___= = http://www.sun.com/service/sunps/jdc/javacenter.pdf = = www.sun.com | www.javasoft.com | http://wwws.sun.com/sunone = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file server recommendations?
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 02:59:35PM -0500, Kevin Coyner wrote: What's a good, and hopefully open source free, program that can act as a SSH server on a Windows box? I do most of my work in Linux/Debian, but there's one offsite webserver I have to take care of that's Win2K. Presently I ftp files up to it, but I'd rather be doing something a little more secure. Is there a way of getting an SSH server running on it that my Debian SSH client can connect to? As I recall, the OpenSSH server can be run through cygwin32. -- Michael Heironimus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: file server recommendations?
I'd suggest ssh, sftp, and scp, which all come in the debian ssh package. To use these with windows, I'd suggest putty sftp client for windows. This seems th easiest way to do it. This, of course, requires that your friends are users on your system. -jackp --- ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm interested in making a few files available to friends of mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give me stuff, too. I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job. * I'll only be talking about a very few users. (like 10 to 20 total) * I don't have any particular interest in allowing anonymous access. * I'd like something that's reasonably secure (especially against sniffing and such external attacks; the users are reasonably trusted). * It would be nice not to have to create a local user for each remote user... * Ease of setup would be a major bonus. The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not sure it's the right tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror stories about its (in)security... I do remember using some sort of ssh file transfer client somewhere... sometime... back in my Windoze days... This has a promising ring to it. Any ideas on whether that's what I'm looking for, and if so, is there a server for this in woody? I'm prepared to do my reading first, naturally. But I could use some pointers on where to start. Thanks -- ,-. -ScruLoose- | Any fine morning, a power saw can fell a tree Please do not| that took a thousand years to grow. reply off-list. | -Edwin Way Teale, naturalist and author (1899-1980) `-' ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
file server recommendations?
Hi all, I'm interested in making a few files available to friends of mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give me stuff, too. I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job. * I'll only be talking about a very few users. (like 10 to 20 total) * I don't have any particular interest in allowing anonymous access. * I'd like something that's reasonably secure (especially against sniffing and such external attacks; the users are reasonably trusted). * It would be nice not to have to create a local user for each remote user... * Ease of setup would be a major bonus. The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not sure it's the right tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror stories about its (in)security... I do remember using some sort of ssh file transfer client somewhere... sometime... back in my Windoze days... This has a promising ring to it. Any ideas on whether that's what I'm looking for, and if so, is there a server for this in woody? I'm prepared to do my reading first, naturally. But I could use some pointers on where to start. Thanks -- ,-. -ScruLoose- | Any fine morning, a power saw can fell a tree Please do not| that took a thousand years to grow. reply off-list. | -Edwin Way Teale, naturalist and author (1899-1980) `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: file server recommendations?
* ScruLoose [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030314 23:09 PST]: Hi all, I'm interested in making a few files available to friends of mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give me stuff, too. I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job. * I'll only be talking about a very few users. (like 10 to 20 total) * I don't have any particular interest in allowing anonymous access. * I'd like something that's reasonably secure (especially against sniffing and such external attacks; the users are reasonably trusted). * It would be nice not to have to create a local user for each remote user... * Ease of setup would be a major bonus. The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not sure it's the right tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror stories about its (in)security... Go with DAV. Use CRAM-MD5 if you want to secure only passwords, or https if you want all file transfers secure. Your users can each have their own login credentials, and can each have their own directories as well as access to shared directories. MacOS and Windows can mount DAV space as web folders or similar, so they can use familiar methods (drag 'n drop) for transfering. I do remember using some sort of ssh file transfer client somewhere... sometime... back in my Windoze days... This has a promising ring to it. Any ideas on whether that's what I'm looking for, and if so, is there a server for this in woody? There's a rather good SCP client for windows called WINSCP2. I'd still say your best bet is DAV, though. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- E.W. Dijkstra signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: file server recommendations?
ScruLoose said: Hi all, I'm interested in making a few files available to friends of mine, and in having an upload directory for them to give me stuff, too. I'm wondering what's the best tool for this job. The first thing that comes to mind is FTP, but I'm not sure it's the right tool for the job. I've heard a lot of horror stories about its (in)security... depends on your needs. if the files your transferring are not private data then ftp may be ok. You can setup users so they are locked into their home dirs(my preference of ftpd is generally ncftpd which is a commercial app, free for up to 5 concurrent users I think, non-commercial use only though). proftpd works well too, it has a lot of acls, though it's a bit more complicated to setup(ncftp you can lock users to their home dir just by adding them to a group, real easy!) another benefit to ncftpd, is at least I have never heard of any vulnerabilities for it in as long as I can remember. not so with proftpd, wu.ftpd, even the openbsd ftpd port to linux was vulnerable to a nasty DOS a while back(unfortunately it took debian something like 8 months to fix it) At my last company, to help the support staff I setup a proftpd server for anonymous access. It was real cool how it was setup I think. There was 2 directories, incoming and outgoing. everything was transferred using anonymous logins from the customers. incoming was writable by anyone, but reading was not allowed, listing files not allowed etc. Any attempts to list files reported 0 files. outgoing was readable by everyone, but no writing, and no file listing. So unless you knew the EXACT filename(and path if needed) you couldn't download anything. It prooved to be quite workable. Never had a problem. Sure sometimes a warez kiddie script may find the server and try to upload something, but it quickly fails when it figures out it cannot retrieve the file(s) it uploaded. Oh and no directory listings are permitted ANYWHERE. So when you login and do a 'ls' nothing comes back(even in the root directory). company employees can download the files via SSH w/RSA authentication(scp), or using a ftp account(special uid/password which has full access to the anonymous tree). They emailed links directly to the site so the end users could just click on the link or download it directly. I also setup another server(for remote access) using openssh and the chroot patch(chrootssh.sourceforge.net). As the name implies it locks users to their home directories as well. Been more then 8 months since I played with the system so I forget if theres anything special to do to the accounts to configure them in such a way. Before I found this project I used the commercial SSH server which had options to chroot users to their home dirs as well. yet another way would be one of them web-based file managers though thats kinda complicated. winscp and/or putty (winscp is based on putty code last I checked) are decent win32 ssh/scp clients. There's also cygwin which includes a full copy of openssh(server and all). for me, if I want to post a file for someone to download I throw it on my webserver, if I want someone to upload a file(which is so rare I can't remember the last time I asked someone to do such a thing), I add them an account on one of my spare servers(of course only trusted individuals get such accounts). I never transfer private/personal data over an unencrypted connection. not sure what your needs are though. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Server Recommendations
I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month. Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32 MB Ram, and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody, on a static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this meager equipment serve as a village (community) static page web server and mail server for about 1 dozen people? Would I need something more to run zope or drupal? Perhaps I should shop around ebay canada for a not the i386 debian port equipment? Can you please your reality based, ultra low budget equipment suggestions? -- Dan Hunt Peace on Earth! A real old concept, do your part today! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dan Hunt said: I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month. Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32 MB Ram, and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody, on a static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this meager equipment serve as a village (community) static page web server and mail server for about 1 dozen people? Would I need something more to run zope or drupal? I'm sure people will disagree but I strongly do not reccomend running a system, even a minimal one with less then 64MB of ram. If your using zope you probably want something more powerful. My experience with zope is limited to Zwiki, but I have noticed that it takes 100 to 200 or more times more processing power to serve a page then apache does. That is, a zope page on my local network can take up to 2 seconds to load, while the apache page with the same (static) content takes a fraction of 1 second(loads so fast I can't count). Perhaps normal zope without zwiki, or other zope apps are different. I run a system which is a P200 64MB ram which has a 6GB and a 8GB drive(uptime of 625 days, wee), it runs mail and web and ftp for about 20 users, it works fine, though it does swap, it also runs an X server and xawtv along with a TV card, its my livingroom tv(hooked to a 15 monitor). It's been 18 days since apache was restarted(log rotation I guess), and it's transferred ~120MB of data through apache, and 1.9gigs of data sent out of the ethernet interface(includes all services and all data) since the start of the month. It runs great as the uptime shows.. 32MB is just not enough I think. Technically it's possible, add some swap(I prefer to run machines that do not swap, and only keep swap as a emergency incase something gets out of control), but it will run slower. as for non x86 cheap stuff, not sure there, unless you can find something local ..shipping will probably outweigh the cost of the unit itself. I will be getting about 12 more computers soon from my former employer, much of them low end non x86 stuff(mostly sun), and would be happy to sell something, but since you seem to be looking for real cheap I don't think the cost + shipping would be worth it for you. While I haven't done any exact calculations I would guesstimate that I could sell an 167Mhz Ultra 1 with 128MB ram and 2-4GB hd for $60, and I would expect 3 day shipping to run at least $50-60, depending on your location and packing another $10. and thats just for a pizzabox system, no keyboard, no mouse, no monitor. and that, IMO would be the absolute minimum price. I'd much prefer to sell such a system for 100. or just keep it for myself, use it in the future when DRM has completely infected x86. perhaps a cluster of ultra 1s to heat the local community. I am not in the crowd that finds 486s, low end 586s, supersparcs or other similar equipment of value, ultra 1s and P2s is about as low as I'd go these days. with all kinds of companies collapsing perhaps you could hit a local auction. a couple years ago when my former employer went outta biz, I went to an auction they had about 300 servers for sale, I scored a dual proc P3-650 with 256MB ram and a 9.1GB HD(Intel ISP2150 2U), for $300, and another single proc P3-600 256MB with 9.1GB(2150 again) for $300. I got a Cisco 2900XL 24-port switch for $500, and a box of about 8 rackmount power strips for $75. some poor suckers were paying higher then retail for the laptops it was funny. By the time I started bidding they had sold so much nobody else was interested :) Of course this was for my company, I didn't have the cash to buy anything myself ..I'm sure you could find lower end stuff, desktops, and such for $100 or less at auctions. These $300 systems are probably beyond what your lookin to pay but they were outstanding deals at the time, I think they had a retail value of around $2000 each, real nice servers onboard ultra 2 scsi, onboard ethernet, 4 bay hotswap SCA interfaces, floppy, 2U ..dual proc capable, 2GB ram max..real nice indeed! nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ya dan On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Dan Hunt wrote: I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month. Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32 MB Ram, and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody, on a static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this meager equipment serve as a village (community) static page web server and mail server for about 1 dozen people? Would I need something more to run zope or drupal? my old P90 w/48MB has been the primaryserver for some major community websites supporting hundreds of people ... including (slow)search and automated rsvp via web/emails and is still my main email servers and clients ... for other mailing lists no complaints from anybody its free to them... :-) and if you do have a spare 386... use it as your firewall.. c ya alvin - and we're currently looking at dual a 1TB disk w/ dual-hot-swap-powersupply in a 12(?) deep 1U .. fun design ... if you wanna get beefy ( at least my idea of beefy ) - ts vaporware/vaporhardware right now.. Perhaps I should shop around ebay canada for a not the i386 debian port equipment? Can you please your reality based, ultra low budget equipment suggestions? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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nate said: I'm sure people will disagree but I strongly do not reccomend running a system, even a minimal one with less then 64MB of ram. If your using zope you probably want something more powerful. My experience with zope is limited to Zwiki, but I have noticed that it takes 100 to 200 or more times more processing power to serve a page then apache does. That is, a zope page on my local network can take up to 2 seconds to load, while the apache page with the same (static) content takes a fraction of 1 second(loads so fast I can't count). Perhaps normal zope without zwiki, or other zope apps are different. woops forgot to mention, the machine that I'm running zope on is a P3-800 with 1GB of ram with dual western digital special edition disks(8MB cache) in raid 1 .. the machine does quite a bit of other stuff(ldap, postfix, apache, apache-ssl, mrtg, big brother etc).. but the machine itself is no slouch, which is why I was so shocked it took so long to load the zope pages. load on this box is gettin outta control, it's been hovering in the 6-8 area for the past few hours, gotta look to relocate my mrtg stuff to another machine I guess. maybe the software raid is bogging it down .. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Server Recommendations
-- Dan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Wednesday, 18 December 2002, 08:58 PM -0600): I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month. Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32 MB Ram, and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody, on a static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this meager equipment serve as a village (community) static page web server and mail server for about 1 dozen people? Would I need something more to run zope or drupal? If possible, I'd up the ram and hard drive slightly -- mainly for the mail. But otherwise, it should be fine. I'm running mine on a P-200 with 64MB and two hard drives (1 2GB and 1 3GB), and it does quite nicely (I run a couple sites off it, and receive mail for a handful of people; currently, my /home directory is mounted on the 2GB drive and holds my web document root and all mail -- and has only 12% usage). It even serves as a firewall (using iptables) and an IMAP server (allowing for remote connection for mail retrieval). If you want to run a database backend for a CMS (if I remember correctly, that's what drupal is, right?), you'll need even more RAM -- my machine slowed noticably when I've run mysql in the past. But it's certainly do-able on this hardware, and the ram for these machines is still fairly easily obtainable and cheap. -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If you want to run a database backend for a CMS (if I remember correctly, that's what drupal is, right?), you'll need even more RAM -- my machine slowed noticably when I've run mysql in the past. But it's certainly do-able on this hardware, and the ram for these machines is still fairly easily obtainable and cheap. i've done this on an old 486, 16MB of RAM, with an active CMS site. it worked fine, but required a degree of patience. (lots of swapping) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP server recommendations ?
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Eugene van Zyl wrote: Hi, Any recommendations for a IMAP server (on Debian 2.2)? IMAP4.7c (I think this is UW IMAP?) On Solaris, I've had a great amount of success with the Courier-IMAP suite. Courier-IMAP only uses Maildirs, which is a newer mailbox storage format that works reliably over NFS (apparently). It works brilliantly with Exim, if you set up Exim to deliver into Maildirs. I've been using it in a production environment for a few months now, and not had any problems whatsoever with it. If you're getting tired of the UW-IMAP daemon, give Courier-IMAP a try. Its worth the effort in getting it set up. MS Outlook 2000, Pine, Netscape Communicator all work flawlessly with it. http://www.inter7.com/courierimap/ --- There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. - Frank Zappa
IMAP server recommendations ?
Hi, Any recommendations for a IMAP server (on Debian 2.2)? IMAP4.7c (I think this is UW IMAP?) seems to intergrates relatively painless and support most IMAP features (although I couldn't find anything on shared folders), courier-imap seems technically better(?) but confusing to set up especially making use of extended features like its altered maildir standard for shared folders, I can't seem to figure out what else this might break when using this? Also it's not very clear with courier where exactly the mail folders are going to be stored, /var/spool/mail or $HOME/? UW-IMAP indicates that folders are stored in $HOME/ and it automatically picks up mail from /var/spool/mail as well as $HOME/mbox, this doesn't indicate whether these mail are then transported to an imap folder or left there (btw this is makes me lean toward it for easier integration). Then there's cyrus(cyris ?) imap as well. Couldn't really make much from its docs though. If someone that's running an imap server could give me some advice on what/how to install and set up partitions for storage, and in general which package gives the least headaces configuring. I also need to supply webmail access so would welcome any recommendations. Also, is running POP3 and IMAP simultaneously possible/a big no-no? What caveats/issues are there? Thanks in advance :-) Eugene van Zyl
Re: GLUG: IMAP server recommendations ?
On Wed 2001-04-04 (10:41), Eugene van Zyl wrote: Hi, Any recommendations for a IMAP server (on Debian 2.2)? IMAP4.7c (I think this is UW IMAP?) seems to intergrates relatively painless and support most IMAP features (although I couldn't find anything on shared folders), courier-imap seems technically better(?) but confusing to set up especially making use of extended features like its altered maildir standard for shared folders, I can't seem to figure out what else this might break when using this? Also it's not very clear with courier where exactly the mail folders are going to be stored, /var/spool/mail or $HOME/? UW-IMAP indicates that folders are stored in $HOME/ and it automatically picks up mail from /var/spool/mail as well as $HOME/mbox, this doesn't indicate whether these mail are then transported to an imap folder or left there (btw this is makes me lean toward it for easier integration). UW IMAP has had a bad security run. It doesn't have much in the way of flexibility; it requires you to change the way you run things. Then there's cyrus(cyris ?) imap as well. Couldn't really make much from its docs though. Cyrus is the better mature IMAP server. If someone that's running an imap server could give me some advice on what/how to install and set up partitions for storage, and in general which package gives the least headaces configuring. I also need to supply webmail access so would welcome any recommendations. I'd recommand Courier-IMAP; it's almost free (GPL), it's fast, and it's modular and flexible. It can integrate into almost any situation, and can do IP-based virtual hosting, or username-based virtual hosting, and lots more. It's also designed in such a way that security problems are less likely - on one setup, only the port connector (tcpserver from ucspi-tcp) ran as root. It interacts with at least phpgroupware (a nice product, actually - cd /usr/ports/*/phpgroupware make install, and access from http://localhost/phpgroupware/ on your nearest FreeBSD machine), and also has it's own direct-access webmail client, sqwebmail, which shares authentication and such modules with courier-imap. They're both part of the Courier Mail System. Also, is running POP3 and IMAP simultaneously possible/a big no-no? What caveats/issues are there? I think all have POP3 connectors - Courier-IMAP definitely does. It also supports STARTTLS and IMAPS and POP3S service. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: GLUG: IMAP server recommendations ?
Thanks, I'll courier looks like it then :-) With exim I saw the debian docs for courier indicate that I set Exim up for maildir delivery - will the POP3 server pick the mail up correctly from the maildir then? also will the pop client (if not set to leave a copy on the server) kill the mail from the user's maildir, i.e. he won't see it with IMAP afterwards? is there a way to control this behaviour? Thanks :-) Eugene
Re: GLUG: IMAP server recommendations ?
On Wed 2001-04-04 (15:59), Eugene van Zyl wrote: Thanks, I'll courier looks like it then :-) With exim I saw the debian docs for courier indicate that I set Exim up for maildir delivery - will the POP3 server pick the mail up correctly from the maildir then? also will the pop client (if not set to leave a copy on the server) kill the mail from the user's maildir, i.e. he won't see it with IMAP afterwards? is there a way to control this behaviour? Oh, that's something I forgot to mention - Courier-IMAP only does Maildir. At least to my knowledge, the default password/pam modules for Courier-IMAP will look in ~/Maildir/ (maybe it can even pick more up from PAM) for the mailboxes. POP3 and IMAP use the exact same configuration, so if one finds it, the other will. IMAP will use Maildir+ folders inside the Maildir, which obviously won't be available directly via POP3. I'm sure minor module hacking could do it, maybe there're already examples. As for POP3, the server doesn't enforce deletion, it'll do whatever the POP3 client tells it to. Most probably don't set the Leave mail on server button, you may have to explain to your users to do so. I'd recommend moving over to a virtual user system (ie, no real user account on the machine). In that case, userdb, or whatever, can specify where exactly the Maildir will be, and things like that. Or use LDAP, or the myriad other options (vpopmail, c.). Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP server recommendations ?
Disclaimer: I'm the UW imapd maintainer so I'm biased. :-) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Eugene van Zyl wrote: Hi, Any recommendations for a IMAP server (on Debian 2.2)? IMAP4.7c (I think this is UW IMAP?) Yes. seems to intergrates relatively painless and support most IMAP features (although I couldn't find anything on shared folders), courier-imap seems technically better(?) but confusing to set up especially making use of extended features like its altered maildir standard for shared folders, I can't seem to figure out what else this might break when using this? At this point, most major mail software supports maildirs either builtin or with third-part patches. The Debian UW imap package is patched to support maildirs. If pine is built against the c-client library from that package, it will support maildirs too. Also it's not very clear with courier where exactly the mail folders are going to be stored, /var/spool/mail or $HOME/? UW-IMAP indicates that folders are stored in $HOME/ and it automatically picks up mail from /var/spool/mail as well as $HOME/mbox, this doesn't indicate whether these mail are then transported to an imap folder or left there (btw this is makes me lean toward it for easier integration). Left there. Then there's cyrus(cyris ?) imap as well. Couldn't really make much from its docs though. If someone that's running an imap server could give me some advice on what/how to install and set up partitions for storage, and in general which package gives the least headaces configuring. I also need to supply webmail access so would welcome any recommendations. I recommend uw-imapd-ssl from unstable. This is UW IMAP 2000, the successor to 4.7c and as the name suggests it has built in SSL support. It works out of the box and supports more mailbox formats than the others. UW imapd has gotten a reputation for security problems. This is due to imapd exploits being the method of choice for hacking Red Hat boxes a couple of years back. But this hasn't been true for a long time and for as long as I've been the maintainer, I haven't heard of *any* Debian user being hacked through imapd. So I think the fears are overblown. Also, is running POP3 and IMAP simultaneously possible/a big no-no? What caveats/issues are there? POP sucks compared to IMAP?? Seriously it shouldn't be a problem. The UW POP2/3 servers are in the ipopd package. For potato users, I have packages of imap 2000, ipopd, pine etc. apt-gettable if you add the following lines to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://www.braincells.com/pub/debian/Local potato/ deb-src http://www.braincells.com/pub/debian/Local potato/
