Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
If lilo don't work for you and grub will, do the Debian install, make a boot floppy boot of the boot floppy and then install grub from the debs. grub is a great boot loader, but lilo has always worked for me. I think I have always put it on the mbr though even though / or /boot has been in all sorts of places. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:31:46PM -0600, Chema wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:01:49 +1100 Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RW When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find RW only lilo. RW RW You need a default bootloader during the install. lilo works. If RW you don't like it, change it after the install. RW RW I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!! [...] RW Do you mean grub? What benefits does grub have over lilo for the RW initial boot of Debian? RW Lilo can't boot from any place after the 2Gb, at least it couldn't the last time I used it, about a year and a half ago. I don't know if they fixed it by now (don't think so), but most surely Woody's lilo can't do it. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I just recently installed stable onto a 10 gig partition that was at the end of a 40 gig drive. lilo worked fine. Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
On ?, 2003-11-10 at 19:49, Rob VanFleet wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:31:46PM -0600, Chema wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:01:49 +1100 Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RW When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find RW only lilo. RW RW You need a default bootloader during the install. lilo works. If RW you don't like it, change it after the install. RW RW I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!! [...] RW Do you mean grub? What benefits does grub have over lilo for the RW initial boot of Debian? RW Lilo can't boot from any place after the 2Gb, at least it couldn't the last time I used it, about a year and a half ago. I don't know if they fixed it by now (don't think so), but most surely Woody's lilo can't do it. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I just recently installed stable onto a 10 gig partition that was at the end of a 40 gig drive. lilo worked fine. Rob Just thought about it. You have an option to install lilo into the mbr or the local partition. I belive that if you install it into the mbr it should work fine (does on the end of my 30G disk). Don't know about the partion itself, IIRC the location is a bios limitation and not lilo's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:34:23AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: On ?, 2003-11-10 at 19:49, Rob VanFleet wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:31:46PM -0600, Chema wrote: Lilo can't boot from any place after the 2Gb, at least it couldn't the last time I used it, about a year and a half ago. [...] Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I just recently installed stable onto a 10 gig partition that was at the end of a 40 gig drive. lilo worked fine. Rob Just thought about it. You have an option to install lilo into the mbr or the local partition. I belive that if you install it into the mbr it should work fine (does on the end of my 30G disk). Don't know about the partion itself, IIRC the location is a bios limitation and not lilo's. Yes, you need to install lilo to the mbr. I've found that's usually the best bet when you have multiple partitions/drives. Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:33:13 + Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P ...speaking of such things - if the remote machine gets a different P IP, through DHCP, every time it boots, is there a more elegant way I P can discover this IP than having the remote machine email me when it P boots? Well, usually you don't use IPs to identify machines, but DNS (which was created only for our human numeric laziness). I only started using DHCP when I was able to do automatic DNS record uptades, and I must say that is one of the most Platonic achievements in LAN administration =) So you just need a DNS server willing to accept updates from DHCP (see the DHCP docs). If your remote machine is not so (if it's in your LAN), then a local DNS would do the trick. But if it is over the I-net, you need a proper I-net DNS server. Of course there are kind souls that provide this service: FreeDNS - http://freedns.afraid.org/ - DNS Hosting, free subdomains in shared (3K+!!) domains, dynamic IP address. http://dyndns.org - DNS Hosting, free subdomains (in 25 domains),dynamic IP. Most free subdomains are in lame domains, but in FreeDNS you can find cutties like kernel.sh (root, of course, is aready taken ;-). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
[Please wrap your lines! It makes it much easier to read, and thus more likely that you'll get a response. Anywhere between 70 and 80 is acceptable; 72 seems to be a nice value.] On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 03:04:48AM -0600, Chema said The installer script got broken after not finding the kernel modules: it suggested me to run the Install modules step or something like that, but there was not such option. No problem, I finished the install manually running the other steps. What did you actually do? Did you use a set of boot floppies? Is your hardware supported by any of the install kernels? Did you make the driver disks as the install guide explains? When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find only lilo. You need a default bootloader during the install. lilo works. If you don't like it, change it after the install. I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!! ? Well, ok, the release is from december past year, and the installer should be even older, December? July 19, 2002. so no Grooby loader. Do you mean grub? What benefits does grub have over lilo for the initial boot of Debian? No problem, I skipped the loader install, got into my already installed grub shell and manually loaded the Debian install kernel. After that, I installed grub, wich was included in the 30r1 disc. Yup, easy. Remember the Debian base install is very small and simple, you then install whatever you want around it. xdm had crashed It crashed? Or was X just not configured properly during the install? If it actually crashed, then you need to file a serious bug. , but hey, I have comed to *luv* configuring X at hand, overclocking my monitor resolution. Configure X by hand? Why? The Debian X packages have a very sophisticated configuration system which walks you through the configuration. With a little googling, you'll even find that installing hotplug, mdetect and read-edid before X will enable it to auto-detect most everything for you anyway. But no configuration could make it run: -- This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. ... XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 -- That's not a useful piece of the log, we'd need to see the bottom bit which explains why X didn't start. That will not run in most video cards I use. Really? Are you sure? If so, then perhaps X 4.2 or 4.3 would work better. http://www.apt-get.org/. After fiddling around a lil more, I decided that something was wrong, maybee my Debian mirror was not really up to date; but not, it just seems to me that Woody is Way Too Oldy (TM). Then don't use it? Or install newer packages? http://www.apt-get.org/ is all about newer packages for woody. It seems to me like you've come at this all wrong. Instead of ranting about how Debian Stable is too old!, you should install it, then ask useful, direct questions like how do I get my poorly documented geforce4 card to work under woody or how do I get a newer version of $FOO or such. But, of course, I'm pushing the reset, and starting again. But would like some guidance this time. The Getting Debian page mentions that: A network installation of the testing distribution will provide you with the very latest packages, whereas any CD images of testing that you download would be outdated very quickly. If you want to help test the new Debian installer, then go for it. It certainly needs more testing to iron out the remaining bugs. If you just want to use sarge, then install the woody *base system*, then dist-upgrade to sarge. If something doesn't upgrade cleanly, file bugs. So the network installation of Sarge is my new bet. But I want to know, how really unstable is it? I don't think most people could live with Woody, A sample of one is poor statistics ;-) I have lurked the release information, and have not seen any bug that scares me, but any warnings regarding the Athlon XP Thoroughbred, Geforce 4 Ti Ah, this is at least part of your X problem, since the nv driver that comes with X4.1 and earlier does not support it. You can use the vesa driver, go get X4.2 or 4.3 from the site I have earlier, or use the evil-binary-only-non-free nvidia driver. , emacs, PostgreSQL, perl and any other indispensable program would be preciated. You can find information about current bugs in any package in the Debian BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: AK-47 AGT. AMME Pine Gap Saddam Hussein ANZUS Europol signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:17:59PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:33:13AM +, Pigeon wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:17:57AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:14:25AM +0100, wsa wrote: I think woody is for those who really need seriously stable machine to act as a server. Or a no-nonsense desktop for your folks that you can administer remotely for them without really having to think about it yourself. ...speaking of such things - if the remote machine gets a different IP, through DHCP, every time it boots, is there a more elegant way I can discover this IP than having the remote machine email me when it boots? Dunno if it's exactly what you're looking for, but you could set Mum up with a dynDNS.org account (free) and a client (eg ddclient) and then access Mum's box (er, that sounds kind of wrong) -- the remote machine -- by domain name. DynDNS.org accounts are free? I didn't realise that - I thought there was an annual fee (albeit sufficiently minimal that remembering to pay it would be more of a problem than finding the money, even for me :-) ) debian-user scores again. Thanks. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:25:53PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:33:13AM +, Pigeon wrote: ...speaking of such things - if the remote machine gets a different IP, through DHCP, every time it boots, is there a more elegant way I can discover this IP than having the remote machine email me when it boots? You don't get a different IP every time you boot unless you boot once after the IP release. Usually, you try to renew your lease halfway through the lease to keep the possibility of it expiring when you still need it to an absolute minimum, and doesn't get flushed back into the released pool for usually twice the lease interval. If you're wondering how DHCP identifies your machine to tell it's the same: your NIC's MAC address. I see. My above question sacrificed accuracy for conciseness: cannot be guaranteed to get the same IP when it boots would better describe the observed behaviour. Now I know why. Thanks. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 05:46:47PM +, Pigeon wrote: DynDNS.org accounts are free? I didn't realise that - I thought there was an annual fee (albeit sufficiently minimal that remembering to pay it would be more of a problem than finding the money, even for me :-) ) debian-user scores again. Thanks. I thought they asked for donations only. I think they might charge if you want a proper domain, and not a subdomain (or is that tzo.com)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 17:46 GMT, Pigeon penned: DynDNS.org accounts are free? I didn't realise that - I thought there was an annual fee (albeit sufficiently minimal that remembering to pay it would be more of a problem than finding the money, even for me :-) ) debian-user scores again. Thanks. Some of their services are free; others are not. They will let you manage up to (I believe) 5 machines on a given account for free. They have multiple domains, not just dyndns.org, to choose from. If you want to use your own domain name, then you have to start paying. Their prices seem pretty reasonable, and they have a wide variety of services. http://www.dyndns.org/services/pricing.html -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:01:49 +1100 Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RW When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find RW only lilo. RW RW You need a default bootloader during the install. lilo works. If RW you don't like it, change it after the install. RW RW I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!! [...] RW Do you mean grub? What benefits does grub have over lilo for the RW initial boot of Debian? RW Lilo can't boot from any place after the 2Gb, at least it couldn't the last time I used it, about a year and a half ago. I don't know if they fixed it by now (don't think so), but most surely Woody's lilo can't do it. RW Well, ok, the release is from december past year, and the RW installer should be even older, RW RW December? July 19, 2002. Nope, 30r1 is from december. But yeah, most of Woody is older than that. RW , but hey, I have comed to *luv* configuring X at RW hand, overclocking my monitor resolution. RW RW Configure X by hand? Why? The Debian X packages have a very RW sophisticated configuration system which walks you through the RW configuration. With a little googling, you'll even find that RW installinghotplug, mdetect and read-edid before X will enable RW it to auto-detect most everything for you anyway. As I said, I like to fiddle with refreshes to get 1152 instead of 1024 on my cheap 15. RW It seems to me like you've come at this all wrong. Instead of RW ranting about how Debian Stable is too old!, you should install RW it, then ask useful, direct questions like how do I get my poorly RW documented geforce4 card to work under woody or how do I get a RW newer version of$FOO or such. I did useful questions, indeed. But not about how to fix woody, couse I know how to do that already: upgrading almost everything I use to Sarge or Sid. The rant was to show that Woody not works with a not so fresh box. RW I have lurked the release information, and have not seen any bug RW that scares me, but any warnings regarding the Athlon XP RW Thoroughbred, Geforce 4 Ti RW RW Ah, this is at least part of your X problem, since the nv driver RW that comes with X4.1 and earlier does not support it. You can use RW the vesa driver, go get X4.2 or 4.3 from the site I have earlier, RW or use the evil-binary-only-non-free nvidia driver. LOL, do you actually read the post while already replying to it?? Anyway, I was asking for guidance on Sarge there ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 05:46:47PM +, Pigeon wrote: DynDNS.org accounts are free? I didn't realise that - I thought there was an annual fee (albeit sufficiently minimal that remembering to pay it would be more of a problem than finding the money, even for me :-) ) debian-user scores again. Thanks. It's free for a third-level name, and it works remarkably similar in principle to the late Monolith. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qF0wUzgNqloQMwcRAiiUAKDltb/JyXP7TaUjSLTU1+1vlzb9tgCgxJpZ 6IuAwXGFxrvSjXHRADsIhyo= =CDi2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:01:49PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: Configure X by hand? Why? The Debian X packages have a very sophisticated configuration system which walks you through the configuration. With a little googling, you'll even find that installing hotplug, mdetect and read-edid before X will enable it to auto-detect most everything for you anyway. Well now isn't that nice, and here I've been using debian since dec 1998, and I didn't know about those packages!!! :( Installed now. Hmm, detect doesn't seem to work fully on 2.6 kernels, but maybe it's because it wasn't run on boot yet. Will file bugs reports as I identify them. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:48:14PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: Hmm, detect doesn't seem to work fully on 2.6 kernels, but maybe it's Err, I mean the discover package... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:52:44PM -0800, Mike Fedyk said On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:48:14PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: Hmm, detect doesn't seem to work fully on 2.6 kernels, but maybe it's Err, I mean the discover package... Yah, 2.6 has differently named modules to 2.4, so it'll have to be updated. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: COSCO government kilo class virus signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Stable Debian == obsolete??
Hi there. I recently decided to give Debian a try, expecting that it would be the best distro for me if it where the half good technically than it is 'spiritually' =) I eated the FAQ (yep, *ALL* of it) and other install docs, jigsaw'd the first disc of the stable release (Woody 30r1 - i386), as I intend to deploy it in several production servers, and fired up the installation. The installer script got broken after not finding the kernel modules: it suggested me to run the Install modules step or something like that, but there was not such option. No problem, I finished the install manually running the other steps. When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find only lilo. I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!! Well, ok, the release is from december past year, and the installer should be even older, so no Grooby loader. No problem, I skipped the loader install, got into my already installed grub shell and manually loaded the Debian install kernel. After that, I installed grub, wich was included in the 30r1 disc. xdm had crashed, but hey, I have comed to *luv* configuring X at hand, overclocking my monitor resolution. But no configuration could make it run: -- This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. ... XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 -- That will not run in most video cards I use. After fiddling around a lil more, I decided that something was wrong, maybee my Debian mirror was not really up to date; but not, it just seems to me that Woody is Way Too Oldy (TM). Well, thats my sad history ;-P But, of course, I'm pushing the reset, and starting again. But would like some guidance this time. The Getting Debian page mentions that: A network installation of the testing distribution will provide you with the very latest packages, whereas any CD images of testing that you download would be outdated very quickly. So the network installation of Sarge is my new bet. But I want to know, how really unstable is it? I don't think most people could live with Woody, so is it test the most used distro? I have lurked the release information, and have not seen any bug that scares me, but any warnings regarding the Athlon XP Thoroughbred, Geforce 4 Ti, emacs, PostgreSQL, perl and any other indispensable program would be preciated. I would also suggest stating more prominently the age of Woody and the prices that its stability entails. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think woody is for those who really need seriously stable machine to act as a server. I'm on SID mostly because of the security 'issue' of SARGE. SID tends to have more broken stuff, but security updates get there fast. SARGE is 'more stable' but it can take longer before a security update gets to testing, and i still found myself apt pinning to get some packages from SID so i ended up with 'running testing' but a load of packages from SID in there. Alas, even SID is stable for me, except for the custom 2.4.22 kernels not wanting to boot past INIT last weekend (fixed now after today's update) i've never had really serious problems with it. I know you didn't ask for 'which one?' but if you ask em you might aswell go to SID. cheerios Chema wrote: [snip snap snip] Well, thats my sad history ;-P But, of course, I'm pushing the reset, and starting again. But would like some guidance this time. The Getting Debian page mentions that: A network installation of the testing distribution will provide you with the very latest packages, whereas any CD images of testing that you download would be outdated very quickly. So the network installation of Sarge is my new bet. But I want to know, how really unstable is it? I don't think most people could live with Woody, so is it test the most used distro? I have lurked the release information, and have not seen any bug that scares me, but any warnings regarding the Athlon XP Thoroughbred, Geforce 4 Ti, emacs, PostgreSQL, perl and any other indispensable program would be preciated. I would also suggest stating more prominently the age of Woody and the prices that its stability entails. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:14:25AM +0100, wsa wrote: I think woody is for those who really need seriously stable machine to act as a server. Or a no-nonsense desktop for your folks that you can administer remotely for them without really having to think about it yourself. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pitVUzgNqloQMwcRAk0SAJ0Uw0I7RBa7H57DovX6oeTXAt3EtACg0JU+ qaaV15ktCxjpFnltRlXg5j8= =xg3t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
Chema wrote: Hi there. I recently decided to give Debian a try ... But, of course, I'm pushing the reset, and starting again. But would like some guidance this time. The Getting Debian page mentions that: A network installation of the testing distribution will provide you with the very latest packages, whereas any CD images of testing that you download would be outdated very quickly. So the network installation of Sarge is my new bet. ... Did you know you could instal it by only downloading less then 50Mb of files and using your installed Grub to start it ? After that you can download and install whatever you need or desire. Let me know if you would like some guidelines on that ... Cheers John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:49:52 + John Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JP Did you know you could instal it by only downloading less then 50Mb JP of files and using your installed Grub to start it ? JP After that you can download and install whatever you need or desire. Yes, I did. Thats was the new plan, network install of SARGE. I downloaded the first cd becouse I want to deploy Debian on my work, home and local pub. And I choose woody 'couse I wanted something useable (stable). But turns out that the stable distro doesn't supports most of my hardware, and its pretty outdated. And that testing is slowly updated, compared to unstable. And that unstable is perfectly useable. Conclusion: wsa convinced me, so I'm going for SID, and customizing my own distro. Sid, yes Sid!! (had to change it now that I'm not getting Sarge ;-). Thanks again! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 04:04, Chema wrote: Hi there. I recently decided to give Debian a try, expecting that it would be the best distro for me if it where the half good technically than it is 'spiritually' =) I eated the FAQ (yep, *ALL* of it) and other install docs, jigsaw'd the first disc of the stable release (Woody 30r1 - i386), as I intend to deploy it in several production servers, and fired up the installation. The installer script got broken after not finding the kernel modules: it suggested me to run the Install modules step or something like that, but there was not such option. No problem, I finished the install manually running the other steps. When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find only lilo. I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!! Well, ok, the release is from december past year, and the installer should be even older, so no Grooby loader. No problem, I skipped the loader install, got into my already installed grub shell and manually loaded the Debian install kernel. After that, I installed grub, wich was included in the 30r1 disc. xdm had crashed, but hey, I have comed to *luv* configuring X at hand, overclocking my monitor resolution. But no configuration could make it run: I don't know about obsolete. I've run Mandrake 9.1, SuSE Personal 8.2 and RedHat 9.0. But for my http / mail / blog server, I'm running a combination of Debian Stable and a few packages from Testing. It's working well (as in not crashing, and it does what I expect it to do). My situation is VERY different from yours, though. I'm not running X. My plan this week is to shut it down, put the box back together (I took off the case to mess with it), disconnect the keyboard and monitor and just let it run in a corner. I just installed from Stable, then added Testing to my /etc/apt/sources.list to pull in a few newer packages (SquirrelMail 1.4.2 and blosxom). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chema wrote: ... So the network installation of Sarge is my new bet. But I want to know, how really unstable is it? I don't think most people could live with Woody, so is it test the most used distro? server: I'd go with stable desktop: I'd go with unstable (that's what I use) testing, unless it changed dramatically, is not for people to use (not sure what it is for (I know what it is claimed to be for but in reality it does not work that way at all)). perhaps less bugs get to testing than to unstable but they also take longer (sometime a lot longer) to fix... in the end you get the worst of both worlds unstable is generally very stable, there are some problems when big changes are being made (major gcc, X, kde, gnome upgrades etc.). If something breaks it is usually fixed fairly soon. erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:17:57AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:14:25AM +0100, wsa wrote: I think woody is for those who really need seriously stable machine to act as a server. Or a no-nonsense desktop for your folks that you can administer remotely for them without really having to think about it yourself. ...speaking of such things - if the remote machine gets a different IP, through DHCP, every time it boots, is there a more elegant way I can discover this IP than having the remote machine email me when it boots? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:33:13AM +, Pigeon wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:17:57AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:14:25AM +0100, wsa wrote: I think woody is for those who really need seriously stable machine to act as a server. Or a no-nonsense desktop for your folks that you can administer remotely for them without really having to think about it yourself. ...speaking of such things - if the remote machine gets a different IP, through DHCP, every time it boots, is there a more elegant way I can discover this IP than having the remote machine email me when it boots? Dunno if it's exactly what you're looking for, but you could set Mum up with a dynDNS.org account (free) and a client (eg ddclient) and then access Mum's box (er, that sounds kind of wrong) -- the remote machine -- by domain name. Cheers! -- ,-. -ScruLoose- | To hell with Saddam Please do not | and may he quickly be joined by Bush. reply off-list. | - Salam Pax `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:33:13AM +, Pigeon wrote: ...speaking of such things - if the remote machine gets a different IP, through DHCP, every time it boots, is there a more elegant way I can discover this IP than having the remote machine email me when it boots? You don't get a different IP every time you boot unless you boot once after the IP release. Usually, you try to renew your lease halfway through the lease to keep the possibility of it expiring when you still need it to an absolute minimum, and doesn't get flushed back into the released pool for usually twice the lease interval. If you're wondering how DHCP identifies your machine to tell it's the same: your NIC's MAC address. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pypRUzgNqloQMwcRAr6GAKDmHMGu6ckH+PgJskQRnSLMTIzZeACffCHf NxHrJ41sAbmBfvMOQdDeV9Y= =y4I8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
