Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 17:30, Brian Stults wrote: Did you install all the dependencies (e.g. aspell, pspell) and a dictionary? Thanks. That did the trick. op -- http://plusseven.com/gpg/
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
on Mon, Mar 11, 2002, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:28:31 -0800 Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: In general, I find the MDI paradigm to be frustrating to the extreme, and the alternatives provided by GNU/Linux are far superior (IMVAO). Then why do you continuously plug galeon? ;-) Winks aside, there's a distinction. MDI is often applied to applications in which there is significant authoring activity. Examples most users would be familiar with would include MS Word, MS Excel, etc. One particular instance I'm familiar with is SAS, which includes an IDE type getup -- there's a program editor, a log window (programming, error, debugging output), and a list window (reports output). Under Unix, the windows are free-form and may be placed at any place on the desktop. Under MS Legacy MS Windows, they're all stuck in this stupid _box_ you can't get rid of. At the same time, there's a lot of work involving reading or copying out of one window and writing into another. You're also likely dealing primarially with a small number of documents or equivalents. The framing is (IMVAO) not necessary for organization. Galeon is (mostly) a _browsing_ application. While some websites allow for input (and I'm using web-based tools more frequently these days), the principle actions are: - Search for a website. - Open a website. - Open links within a page. - Pursue some other vein of thought. What galeon offers is choice: you can stack a bunch of pages together in a single window (not contained loosely within it in the MDI style, but tabbed within a frame). Or you can arrange them as fully separate windows. And you can switch a given page between the two choices, detaching it from a tabbed view, or adding it to another window's tab(s). While it's possible to focus on a single document when browsing the Web, I find I'm far more likely to be scanning a larger number -- five pages would be a small browsing session, 20-40 typical, and 100 or more pages (5-8 windows of 12-20 tabs) is not unheard of. FWIW, I also like and use 'screen' extensively, a terminal / console multiplexer. It (generally) follows a similar mode of restricting the user to viewing one session at a time, but still can be extremely useful. I find it indespensible. One application I've got is based on a set of shell wrappers to launch xterm with screen, with w3m as a shell, wrapped to default to opening to a bookmarks page (it's a lot easier to use than it is to describe). The result is, approximately, a tabbed, text-mode browser. Damned useful stuff. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpNNS4V1fvqh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
on Thu, Mar 07, 2002, Bill Moseley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thursday 07 March 2002 07:01 pm, Eric G. Miller wrote: The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. That's what I wondered. I'll try the trick of using a separate desktop for my mail. So far, with multiple windows, it gets cluttered too fast. The windows-inside-a-window thing was nice in Eudora -- let me have a real messy email window that could all be moved as a single unit. The solution to this under GNU/Linux is generally some form of window association. This varies by window manager, Sawfish has some fairly complex window grouping capabilities though I'm not familiar with them. Under WindowMaker (my WM), it's possible to work with entire sets of windows associated with a given application. The hide, unhide here, and bring here functions are particularly useful. In general, I find the MDI paradigm to be frustrating to the extreme, and the alternatives provided by GNU/Linux are far superior (IMVAO). Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpBsnYkyfJ5B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
on Fri, Mar 08, 2002, O Polite ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 04:01, Eric G. Miller wrote: The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. When I first moved to linux I tried out StarOffice, which put all it's windows in one desktop window. That was one of the reasons I didn't stick with StarOffice. The main reason however was that is was extremely sluggish and unstable. This was a long time ago so maybe that has all changed. OO has removed the single desktop. It's not fixed (appreciably) the sluggishness and general feelings of bloat I get with SO. Despite my desire to *want* to like this application, I really, really, hate it. Thank $FNORD I managed to get through this post without saying StarOffice, that bloated stuck pig of an office suite Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpeKe83yCDOI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:28:31 -0800 Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: In general, I find the MDI paradigm to be frustrating to the extreme, and the alternatives provided by GNU/Linux are far superior (IMVAO). Then why do you continuously plug galeon? ;-)
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
begin Eric G. Miller quotation: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:11:12PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: I just didn't realize how set in my ways I am. I've tried for X: Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed, and Mahogany. Something else I can't remember. They all seem fine. Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. If he's referring to the MS Windows Multiple Document Interface (MDI), you don't even find that in most Windows programs anymore. Microsoft promoted it back in the Windows 3.x period, but it is conspicuous by its absence in the Windows 95+/NT4+ interfaces. Compare the MDI-based Windows 3.x File Manager with the Windows 95+ Explorer, where you open separate windows if you want to see two directories at once. Craig pgp8WlIAJNlIC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Thursday 07 March 2002 07:01 pm, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:11:12PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. That's what I wondered. I'll try the trick of using a separate desktop for my mail. So far, with multiple windows, it gets cluttered too fast. The windows-inside-a-window thing was nice in Eudora -- let me have a real messy email window that could all be moved as a single unit. I'll get used to it. Thanks for everyone's time. -- Bill Moseley
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 08:53:17PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: begin Eric G. Miller quotation: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:11:12PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: I just didn't realize how set in my ways I am. I've tried for X: Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed, and Mahogany. Something else I can't remember. They all seem fine. Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. If he's referring to the MS Windows Multiple Document Interface (MDI), you don't even find that in most Windows programs anymore. Microsoft promoted it back in the Windows 3.x period, but it is conspicuous by its absence in the Windows 95+/NT4+ interfaces. Compare the MDI-based Windows 3.x File Manager with the Windows 95+ Explorer, where you open separate windows if you want to see two directories at once. I'm not entirely familiar with this MDI interface, and my examples are probably built a little outside the standard X toolkits, but what about the tabs in Mozilla, Galeon, Opera? In Opera they can be tiled or cascaded within the main Opera window. Not sure if Mozilla Mail can do that. but I'm pretty sure Mutt won't! -CraigW
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 04:01, Eric G. Miller wrote: The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. When I first moved to linux I tried out StarOffice, which put all it's windows in one desktop window. That was one of the reasons I didn't stick with StarOffice. The main reason however was that is was extremely sluggish and unstable. This was a long time ago so maybe that has all changed. Pardon my English, speling is broken in Evolution.
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 04:59, O Polite wrote: Pardon my English, speling is broken in Evolution. Search the web for the unofficial debian package for gnome-spell. Install it and spell-checking in evolution will work. -- Brian J. Stults Department of Sociology University of Florida P.O. Box 117330 Gainesville, Florida 32611-7330 phone: (352) 392-0265 x286 fax:(352) 392-6568 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 03:23, Bill Moseley wrote: On Thursday 07 March 2002 07:01 pm, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:11:12PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. That's what I wondered. I'll try the trick of using a separate desktop for my mail. So far, with multiple windows, it gets cluttered too fast. The windows-inside-a-window thing was nice in Eudora -- let me have a real messy email window that could all be moved as a single unit. Just wondering: what do you prefer when displaying window in window over the preview in the lower part of the evolution window ? Michel. I'll get used to it. Thanks for everyone's time. -- Bill Moseley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
Have you tried balsa? It's the one I use and it's not bad.
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:11:12 Bill Moseley wrote:
I just didn't realize how set in my ways I am.
I've tried for X: Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed, and Mahogany. Something else
I
can't remember. They all seem fine.
Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the
messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora
window).
The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window),
but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm
working
on.
Do any mail clients work that way?
I do realize that I can open a new mail client with Kmail.
I'm sure I can learn new ways, but that's been what I've missed the most in
my change to linux on the desktop. I suppose I could dedicate a separate
desktop to mail.
Evolution keeps crashing on Sid, for me.
Thanks,
--
Bill Moseley
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Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 12:48, Brian Stults wrote: Search the web for the unofficial debian package for gnome-spell. Install it and spell-checking in evolution will work. http://www.luyer.net/EvoBuilds/spell-checking/gnome-spell_0.3-0_i386.deb Thes unofisial package installles nisely. And is allso a reel eggo boster, kause it didnt finnd a cingle speling eror in this dockument! Am I missing something? Some hidden setting somewhere? o polite
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 10:19, O Polite wrote: On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 12:48, Brian Stults wrote: Search the web for the unofficial debian package for gnome-spell. Install it and spell-checking in evolution will work. http://www.luyer.net/EvoBuilds/spell-checking/gnome-spell_0.3-0_i386.deb Thes unofisial package installles nisely. And is allso a reel eggo boster, kause it didnt finnd a cingle speling eror in this dockument! Am I missing something? Some hidden setting somewhere? I think it runs by default once you install the package. At least that's how it works for me. When I cut and paste your message into a new message, it detects all the misspellings. Did you install all the dependencies (e.g. aspell, pspell) and a dictionary? -- Brian J. Stults Department of Sociology University of Florida P.O. Box 117330 Gainesville, Florida 32611-7330 phone: (352) 392-0265 x286 fax:(352) 392-6568 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 10:30, Brian Stults wrote: On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 10:19, O Polite wrote: On Fri, 2002-03-08 at 12:48, Brian Stults wrote: Search the web for the unofficial debian package for gnome-spell. Install it and spell-checking in evolution will work. http://www.luyer.net/EvoBuilds/spell-checking/gnome-spell_0.3-0_i386.deb Thes unofisial package installles nisely. And is allso a reel eggo boster, kause it didnt finnd a cingle speling eror in this dockument! Am I missing something? Some hidden setting somewhere? I think it runs by default once you install the package. At least that's how it works for me. When I cut and paste your message into a new message, it detects all the misspellings. Did you install all the dependencies (e.g. aspell, pspell) and a dictionary? Hi, These are the official packages that are installed on my machine: aspell-en 0.33.7.1-8 English dictionary for aspell dict1.5.5-7 Dictionary Client wenglish2.0-2English dictionary aspell 0.33.7.1-8 A more intelligent replacement for the ispell spell checker aspell-en 0.33.7.1-8 English dictionary for aspell gaspell 0.30-10 Gnome front end to the aspell spell checker libaspell10 0.33.7.1-8 The aspell spell checker runtime libraries. libpspell4 0.12.2-5 Portable spell checker interface library In addition to these, are you all (O Brian) saying that I need the unofficial gnome-spell package? _Why_ is gnome-spell not an official package? Thanks, Ron -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81| || | (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements | | and make them into big productions. | | Pitr Dubovitch | ++
Still looking to replace Eudora
I just didn't realize how set in my ways I am. I've tried for X: Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed, and Mahogany. Something else I can't remember. They all seem fine. Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. Do any mail clients work that way? I do realize that I can open a new mail client with Kmail. I'm sure I can learn new ways, but that's been what I've missed the most in my change to linux on the desktop. I suppose I could dedicate a separate desktop to mail. Evolution keeps crashing on Sid, for me. Thanks, -- Bill Moseley
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
Double click on the email in evolution. That opens it in its own window, as well as in the origional parent window. On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 20:11, Bill Moseley wrote: I just didn't realize how set in my ways I am. I've tried for X: Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed, and Mahogany. Something else I can't remember. They all seem fine. Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. Do any mail clients work that way? I do realize that I can open a new mail client with Kmail. I'm sure I can learn new ways, but that's been what I've missed the most in my change to linux on the desktop. I suppose I could dedicate a separate desktop to mail. Evolution keeps crashing on Sid, for me. Thanks, -- Bill Moseley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Arthur H. Johnson II President, Genesee County Linux Users Group Debian GNU/Linux Advocate [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gclug.org -- Don't try to outweird me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal. - Zaphod Beeblebrox in Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Re: Still looking to replace Eudora
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 05:11:12PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: I just didn't realize how set in my ways I am. I've tried for X: Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed, and Mahogany. Something else I can't remember. They all seem fine. Maybe it's a config setting I've missed, but what I miss is having the messages open in their own windows (yet still inside the main Eudora window). The reason is I like to work with my mail as a single unit (single window), but I like to keep a bunch of messages open at the same time that I'm working on. The window(s) within a containing window paradigm is generally not found in X programs. I don't think it's even part of most (any?) toolkits. -- Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net
