Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 23:24, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:00:06AM -0500, David Clymer said This indicates that my saying a work is licensed under the GPL, any user thereof must abide by the GPL when using the work in ways addressed by this license. One is explicitly denied permission to use the work in ways which violate this license. Permission to use the work in accordance with the license is implicit. NOOO. The GPL explicitly places NO restrictions on the use of software, only distribution. Perhaps I was unclear, but I think you misconstrued my statement. One must adhere to the GPL with respect to those actions (I said uses which are addressed by the GPL (namely copying, modification, distribution). Perhaps uses was not a good word choice. Restrictions on running a GPLed program are explicitly absent from the license. from the GPL: - Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. - -davidc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sunday 22 February 2004 17:53, John Hasler wrote: Richard Lyons wrote: I would recommend against nitpicking with the missing from the -- above your sig. ... Ok, I withdraw that comment - they are apparently being stripped by the remailer at d-u. I see no evidence of that. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI Well, sorry, my mistake. Turns out on closer inspection that Kmail is taking only the last occurrence of -- to define the footer, and the footer added by d-u includes one occurrence so Kmail ignores the first one. Additionally, Kmail is stripping the trailing space. So everybody else is innocent and I have egg on my face again. -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
Tom Vier writes: i have never heard of actual sales being a requirement of trademark law. The application form requests the date of first use in interstate commerce. that would be a startup's trademarks would be invalid until they made their first sale. It's not difficult to arrange use in interstate commerce. I've done it. it also would mean charities (mostly) could not have trademarks. You're defining commerce too narrowly. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 01:30, Richard Hoskins wrote: David Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if software or a logo is taken and used without permission (only granted if the license is adhered to) it is effectivly stolen. What part of what license has been violated in this case? There are no provisos for asking permission or giving attribution in the GPL, for example. from the GPL: -- 0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term modification.) Each licensee is addressed as you. ... 5. You are not required to accept this License, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. These actions are prohibited by law if you do not accept this License. Therefore, by modifying or distributing the Program (or any work based on the Program), you indicate your acceptance of this License to do so, and all its terms and conditions for copying, distributing or modifying the Program or works based on it. -- This indicates that my saying a work is licensed under the GPL, any user thereof must abide by the GPL when using the work in ways addressed by this license. One is explicitly denied permission to use the work in ways which violate this license. Permission to use the work in accordance with the license is implicit. Copyright is roughly the right to make a copy. If you are given permission to make a copy of a work by the copyright holder, you may do so. Most works are distributed too widely to go around granting permission to everyone who wants a copy, so licenses are written which give one a way to permit people to copy and use a work without the copyright holder having to grant permission directly. -davidc ps. Please reply to the list. I'm subscribed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On February 22, 2004 17:25, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:51:47PM +0100, Patrik Lindahl wrote: I happened to notice that the logo of elektrostore.se is almost the same as the Debian logo... It looks like they have changed the color and rotated it slightly. The URL is: http://www.elektrostore.se/ Yeah, it's obvious they're using the Debian-swirl there. But how do you steal what is free? http://www.debian.org/intro/about.en-gb.html#free Except that doesn't apply since the logo is not software. As I pointed out earlier, the Debian logos are dealt with somewhat differently. The swirl can be used by anyone to refer to the Debian project but that would seem to exclude commercial use not related to Debian. The swirl above a magic lamp can only be used for Debian-endorsed uses. http://www.debian.org/logos/ Furthermore, electrostore has even trademarked the swirl plus electrostore.se in their own logo. I suspect they didn't do this themselves but rather hired some graphics art team to come up with a logo and someone there lazily appropriated the Debian swirl, rotated it and recoloured it to the shade used by electrostore.se. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:08:49AM -0500, David P James wrote: On February 22, 2004 17:25, Paul Johnson wrote: Yeah, it's obvious they're using the Debian-swirl there. But how do you steal what is free? http://www.debian.org/intro/about.en-gb.html#free Except that doesn't apply since the logo is not software. The theory that the DFSG doesn't cover non-software is hotly contested on debian-legal, and the consensus is that the DFSG should actually cover everything in Debian (we do ship the logo in some packages, e.g. as a background image). There's been discussion about making the licence of the Open Use Logo more free, anyway, since it seems clear that it isn't at the moment. It kind of sucks that we're doing something we wouldn't accept from upstream developers, and making the mistake of using copyright law to express something that should really be expressed in trademark law. (not speaking for the Debian Project, etc., etc.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:08:49AM -0500, David P James wrote: On February 22, 2004 17:25, Paul Johnson wrote: Yeah, it's obvious they're using the Debian-swirl there. But how do you steal what is free? http://www.debian.org/intro/about.en-gb.html#free Except that doesn't apply since the logo is not software. do they know ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 05:11:37PM -, Tim Gunning wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:08:49AM -0500, David P James wrote: On February 22, 2004 17:25, Paul Johnson wrote: Yeah, it's obvious they're using the Debian-swirl there. But how do you steal what is free? http://www.debian.org/intro/about.en-gb.html#free Except that doesn't apply since the logo is not software. do they know ? Yeah, if it's something that someone who's been using Debian for seven years could have missed, what chance do they have? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOjwWUzgNqloQMwcRAlpVAKCeZe3e6dV73ozctiP/MR3d3OqDFwCfYgJf Iq3OGELYttP4mEewWGQGbPs= =2Qqy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
David Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copyright is roughly the right to make a copy. If you are given permission to make a copy of a work by the copyright holder, you may do so. Most works are distributed too widely to go around granting permission to everyone who wants a copy, so licenses are written which give one a way to permit people to copy and use a work without the copyright holder having to grant permission directly. Yes, I understand all that. I want to understand how the store in question is violating the GPL in this case. (If in fact the logo is under the GPL.) They are not preventing redistribution, withholding source, preventing modification, or placing any other additional restrictions on distribution or use. ps. Please reply to the list. I'm subscribed. Sorry. My bad. It was a mistake, not my policy. -- Lift me down, so I can make the Earth tremble. --Bucky Katt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
Patrik Lindahl ramzeus at home.se writes: I hope this is the right forum for this... Send a message to the debian-legal list. --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 13:37, Richard Hoskins wrote: David Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copyright is roughly the right to make a copy. If you are given permission to make a copy of a work by the copyright holder, you may do so. Most works are distributed too widely to go around granting permission to everyone who wants a copy, so licenses are written which give one a way to permit people to copy and use a work without the copyright holder having to grant permission directly. Yes, I understand all that. I want to understand how the store in question is violating the GPL in this case. (If in fact the logo is under the GPL.) They are not preventing redistribution, withholding source, preventing modification, or placing any other additional restrictions on distribution or use. I have no idea :o) The focus of my argument was slightly different from the original topic. It was a response to how can something that is 'free' be stolen?, rather than directly relating to whether the debian logo is being stolen in this case. ps. Please reply to the list. I'm subscribed. Sorry. My bad. It was a mistake, not my policy. I thought that was probably the case, but wanted to make sure; no worries. -davidc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:37:03PM -0500, Richard Hoskins wrote: David Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copyright is roughly the right to make a copy. If you are given permission to make a copy of a work by the copyright holder, you may do so. Most works are distributed too widely to go around granting permission to everyone who wants a copy, so licenses are written which give one a way to permit people to copy and use a work without the copyright holder having to grant permission directly. Yes, I understand all that. I want to understand how the store in question is violating the GPL in this case. (If in fact the logo is under the GPL.) The Debian Open Use Logo is not distributed under the GPL, so this is moot. It is distributed under a different (non-DFSG-free, unfortunately) licence, which they are not honouring. http://www.debian.org/logos/#open-use Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 07:12:09PM +, M. Kirchhoff wrote: Patrik Lindahl ramzeus at home.se writes: I hope this is the right forum for this... Send a message to the debian-legal list. The issue with elektrostore.se is well-known in those circles, but it has been an issue for a couple of years now. Even if we did get our act together to sue, we'd probably have lost standing to do so by reason of our delay. Personally I think we should just stand by our principles and make the logo more free. Of course, it would be good to use trademark law instead of copyright law, but a court might rule that our trademark has been diluted by now ... it's not clear, and IANAL. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:00:06AM -0500, David Clymer said This indicates that my saying a work is licensed under the GPL, any user thereof must abide by the GPL when using the work in ways addressed by this license. One is explicitly denied permission to use the work in ways which violate this license. Permission to use the work in accordance with the license is implicit. NOOO. The GPL explicitly places NO restrictions on the use of software, only distribution. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: Consul INSCOM IDEA Centro Belknap CNCIS explosion signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Stolen debian logo?
Hi, I hope this is the right forum for this... I happened to notice that the logo of elektrostore.se is almost the same as the Debian logo... It looks like they have changed the color and rotated it slightly. The URL is: http://www.elektrostore.se/ -- Patrik Lindahl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On February 22, 2004 09:51, Patrik Lindahl wrote: Hi, I hope this is the right forum for this... I happened to notice that the logo of elektrostore.se is almost the same as the Debian logo... It looks like they have changed the color and rotated it slightly. The URL is: http://www.elektrostore.se/ It is the same, right down to the three fragments of the swirl at its core. http://www.debian.org/logos/ The Debian project would probably have grounds for copyright infringement since the logo is not being used to refer to the Debian project. The site is awful in Konqueror as well - very clunky when scrolling. Haven't tried with a Gecko browser yet but it'll probably be worse still. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 10:27:56AM -0500, David P James wrote: The Debian project would probably have grounds for copyright infringement since the logo is not being used to refer to the Debian project. Trademark. Sorry, I'm also nitpicking.com. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sunday 22 February 2004 16:50, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 10:27:56AM -0500, David P James wrote: The Debian project would probably have grounds for copyright infringement since the logo is not being used to refer to the Debian project. Trademark. Sorry, I'm also nitpicking.com. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com 1. I would recommend against nitpicking with the missing from the -- above your sig. It invites more of the same ;-) 2. Funny, this thread is a rerun of one about three or four months ago... -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sunday 22 February 2004 17:20, Richard Lyons wrote: [...] 1. I would recommend against nitpicking with the missing from the -- above your sig. It invites more of the same ;-) Ok, I withdraw that comment - they are apparently being stripped by the remailer at d-u. -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
Richard Lyons wrote: I would recommend against nitpicking with the missing from the -- above your sig. ... Ok, I withdraw that comment - they are apparently being stripped by the remailer at d-u. I see no evidence of that. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:51:47PM +0100, Patrik Lindahl wrote: I happened to notice that the logo of elektrostore.se is almost the same as the Debian logo... It looks like they have changed the color and rotated it slightly. The URL is: http://www.elektrostore.se/ Yeah, it's obvious they're using the Debian-swirl there. But how do you steal what is free? http://www.debian.org/intro/about.en-gb.html#free - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOSxuUzgNqloQMwcRAtTLAKCBrT1pQP4gcIhm8wNLLFKLRZA7mACeINP3 DVRJQMJ8L9cQIQwooTh+5NA= =jhlS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:20:43PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: 2. Funny, this thread is a rerun of one about three or four months ago... And endless flame-wars on the artwork related furry newsgroups...man, furry artists can be such whiners sometimes... - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOS50UzgNqloQMwcRAgioAJ9VWPACbNpzjzShEZc8mxkI8ocJLACgt5XH QzG75oKDP2gn2nW6cSq8BuI= =Y/G+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:26:28PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: Ok, I withdraw that comment - they are apparently being stripped by the remailer at d-u. Really? When did that start? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOS6YUzgNqloQMwcRAtzMAKCXDDeKW0+hY6h6j0amfpg+VCl2HQCeJIMh CUekfjdnZTGe9IEASmyWrcY= =AcBd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 17:25, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 03:51:47PM +0100, Patrik Lindahl wrote: I happened to notice that the logo of elektrostore.se is almost the same as the Debian logo... It looks like they have changed the color and rotated it slightly. The URL is: http://www.elektrostore.se/ Yeah, it's obvious they're using the Debian-swirl there. But how do you steal what is free? http://www.debian.org/intro/about.en-gb.html#free Debian's free stuff is still copyrighted, same as everything else. What makes it Free is an accompanying license which grants an individual freedom to use the item in question (software, logo, etc) under certain conditions. So, if software or a logo is taken and used without permission (only granted if the license is adhered to) it is effectivly stolen. -davidc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 10:09:18PM -0500, David Clymer wrote: What makes it Free is an accompanying license which grants an individual freedom to use the item in question (software, logo, etc) under certain conditions. Ug. Listen, you're right and everything, but Freedom and you can only use it under certain conditions should not be used in the same sentence -- you are debasing the language. I know all about Absolute Freedom and its limits (the term here would be Public Domain) but you really shouldn't call that Free as in Freedom. Please don't soapbox me, I know what you're going to say. I would call it Responsibility Software because use it responsibily is a more precisely correct definition. Freedom means freedom to abuse as well as freedom to use correctly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
I'm not a lawyer, but Debian probably can't claim a trademark (since it doesn't engage in trade). A copyright, sure, but I'm not certain that partially duplicating a logo would be a substantial violation. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 11:25:17PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but Debian probably can't claim a trademark (since it doesn't engage in trade). Doesn't it sell CDs as a fund-raiser? That's trade, just not necessarily profit-oriented trade. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAOYmXUzgNqloQMwcRAuKKAKDErtXqwF5d1TWQY7VAiHfUBgACfQCeLnCW CoWI7bEYT1/VB4AzkuiYD1U= =LrdS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 22:23, Nano Nano wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 10:09:18PM -0500, David Clymer wrote: What makes it Free is an accompanying license which grants an individual freedom to use the item in question (software, logo, etc) under certain conditions. Ug. Listen, you're right and everything, but Freedom and you can only use it under certain conditions should not be used in the same sentence -- you are debasing the language. I know all about Absolute Freedom and its limits (the term here would be Public Domain) but you really shouldn't call that Free as in Freedom. So you are suggesting that I use Freedom only within certain constraints? I find your argument somewhat self defeating ;o) I was explaining how something could be considered to be stolen even if it is intended to be used freely. A succinct explanation required the use of the two concepts in close connection with each other. -davidc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
I'm not a lawyer, but Debian probably can't claim a trademark (since it doesn't engage in trade). Doesn't it sell CDs as a fund-raiser? That's trade, just not necessarily profit-oriented trade. i have never heard of actual sales being a requirement of trademark law. not in the US, anyway. that would be a startup's trademarks would be invalid until they made their first sale. it also would mean charities (mostly) could not have trademarks. btw, there is a big difference between a (tm) and an (r). you have a lot more legal standing and potential compensation if you have a registered trademark. -- Tom Vier [EMAIL PROTECTED] DSA Key ID 0xE6CB97DA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
David Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if software or a logo is taken and used without permission (only granted if the license is adhered to) it is effectivly stolen. What part of what license has been violated in this case? There are no provisos for asking permission or giving attribution in the GPL, for example. -- Lift me down, so I can make the Earth tremble. --Bucky Katt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
