Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
Dear listmembers, I have just installed Linux (debian) and I was very happy with the installation wizard. It sure made it easy to install. I would like to suggest something though. Is it possible that in future realease 'man' be included in the base system? I'll explain why... I have installed, using the rescue, drivers and base diskettes the Debian Linux on my PC. Nevertheless because the driver for my NIC (3C905-TX) is not current as of 1.3 release, my networking is disabled (I have to get a patch; that's a all new story... it's been giving me a headache to but I'll get there eventually). As such I can't install any additional packages (I don't have a CD so I need to install accross the net). I have noticed that there are lotza man pages in my basic setup but no 'man' command to read them. :-) Well just a suggestion as man does come handy! :-) There might be reasons not to include man on a system. I have a friend who has a very limited Linux box connecting to a server. It can only boot and mount a disk through NFS, and the manpages are on the server. However, I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to put the base manpages in their own, non-base package? Any thoughts about that? --- Benoit Goudreault-Emond Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My opinions are mine only and may not reflect those of my employer. E-mail me to obtain my public PGP key. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Suggestion to future debian releases
Dear listmembers, I have just installed Linux (debian) and I was very happy with the installation wizard. It sure made it easy to install. I would like to suggest something though. Is it possible that in future realease 'man' be included in the base system? I'll explain why... I have installed, using the rescue, drivers and base diskettes the Debian Linux on my PC. Nevertheless because the driver for my NIC (3C905-TX) is not current as of 1.3 release, my networking is disabled (I have to get a patch; that's a all new story... it's been giving me a headache to but I'll get there eventually). As such I can't install any additional packages (I don't have a CD so I need to install accross the net). I have noticed that there are lotza man pages in my basic setup but no 'man' command to read them. :-) Well just a suggestion as man does come handy! :-) See ya, Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
You can move that man package over on a floppy and install it. dpkg -i package-name should do, unless it depends on another package, in which case it will tell you about that. The base system is the smallest one that permits you to install packages. If you had a CD, it might be different - I think we might support more default packages in a system installed from CD eventually, because there is not the size problem we have with the floppy-based install. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
Hello Bruce, You can move that man package over on a floppy and install it. dpkg -i package-name should do, unless it depends on another package, in which case it will tell you about that. I have tried this but there are dependencies. I keep getting the required packages down only to find out that they too need some other package... Is there a command (or maybe a dpkg argument) that I can use to find out exactly what packages I need to install some other package? I checked the Packages file on the debian FTP site but there seem to be other packages required besides those listed here. The base system is the smallest one that permits you to install packages. If you had a CD, it might be different - I think we might support more default packages in a system installed from CD eventually, because there is not the size problem we have with the floppy-based install. Ok. That makes sense. :) Regards, David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
What if package size is bigger than a floppy can hold? (was Re: Suggestion to future debian releases)
Hi again, Well I got most of the things I require down. BTW I got an error when I did the 'dpkg -i man-db*'. It installed but complained at the end and the script aborted at line 87... it still works though... Now the question is I need to get a 2.3MB package onto floppies and then to the Linux box. I heard of a split command that does this... is that true? How do I go about using it. The box where I am downloading the packages to is an NT system (I do have other Unix boxes around if required to run the split command (e.g. Solaris)). If you know how I can go about copying the gcc package (2.xMB) onto floppies and then to the Linux box please let me know. Also I assume I will require the split package on the Linux box too... please let me know where to find it (I just hope it will fit on a floppy!) ;) For those of you wondering why all this trouble? Well my NIC driver is not working so I need to compile a patch (yes I have tried other ways but none has worked (e.g. getting a precompiled 3c59x.o file etc I even tried upgrading the whole kernel! And still got the unresolved symbol error messages!) Thanks. Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What if package size is bigger than a floppy can hold? (was Re: Suggestion to future debian releases)
Hi David, you can use 'dpkg-split'. It's in the 'dpkg'-package, maybe only in the one from 'hamm'. It comes with a manpage. If you don't find it just use 'split' from the 'textutils'-package. It also comes with a manpage. Regards, Andree -- | Institute of Geophysics phone: +49 40 4123 4389 ANDREE LEIDENFROST | University of Hamburg fax: +49 40 4123 5441 Geophysicist | Bundesstrasse 55 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | D-20146 Hamburgwww: www.app-geoph.dkrz.de -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, David M wrote: I have installed, using the rescue, drivers and base diskettes the Debian Linux on my PC. Nevertheless because the driver for my NIC (3C905-TX) is not current as of 1.3 release, my networking is disabled (I have to get a patch; that's a all new story... it's been giving me a headache to but I'll get there eventually). Get on a net-connected machine and get the updated 3c59x.c (pointer in the ethernet howto). Toss it on a floppy, and haul it to your box. Recompile using the kernel-package package. Toss that on the floppy as well, if you don't have it. make-kpkg was nice and simple to use. It was as simple as: cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig (and configure the kernel the way I wanted) make-kpkg clean make-kpkg --zimage -revision custom.1.0 cd .. dpkg -i the debian package I just made sync;reboot I have noticed that there are lotza man pages in my basic setup but no 'man' command to read them. :-) You installed the manpages package, and presumably groff, but not the man package? You didn't choose to do that, so, go ahead and install it. Jason Costomiris | Finger for PGP 2.6.2 Public Key [EMAIL PROTECTED] | There is a fine line between idiocy My employers like me, but not| and genius. We aim to erase that line enough to let me speak for them. | --Unknown http://www.jasons.org/~jcostom -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
I think we might support more default packages in a system installed from CD eventually I think it would be better to try to reduce the size of the base system as much as possible. Perhaps the base install script could ask the user if he wants to install ppp and networking programs, rather than automatically include them. Several years ago, I installed a minimal Slackware installation on a 10 mb partition, with the intent of making an emergency/repair tool. Subsequently, I removed some files, and added a few others, resulting in 5535 kb on a 6170 kb partition. I still keep this partition for emergency use. It would be very difficult to make such an installation with debian. Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What if package size is bigger than a floppy can hold? (was Re: Suggestion to future debian releases)
When i needed to do this, getting dpkg-split onto the system required solving the floppy-split first . . . Anyway, i downloaded the package (perl if i recall), used split to break it into 1.4m pieces, moved these floppy by floppy, then used cat to put them back together. split generates packages with sequential names: mysplitAA, mysplitAB, or somesuch, so cat mysplit* myslit.all puts them back together in the right order. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
Hi, There is such a tool in hamm (in package pkg-order). It may not be ready for prime time, but as no binary in the package modifies anything on the file system, it should not bedangerous to install. manoj ps: The following is the output on a hamm based system, using locales and libc6; your mileage may vary. __ pkg-revdeps '^man-db$' man-db groff libc5 locales libc6 ldso libg++27 libc5 libc5 libdb1 libc5 -- Southside Johnny prefers singing to sex. Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Suggestion to future debian releases
From: Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it would be better to try to reduce the size of the base system as much as possible. Perhaps the base install script could ask the user if he wants to install ppp and networking programs, rather than automatically include them. Yes, some folks, like the Space Shuttle, want a minimal system. Even they commented that they installed an editor. Several years ago, I installed a minimal Slackware installation on a 10 mb partition, with the intent of making an emergency/repair tool. Subsequently, I removed some files, and added a few others, resulting in 5535 kb on a 6170 kb partition. I still keep this partition for emergency use. It would be very difficult to make such an installation with debian. Perhaps, but our 1.44MB rescue disk does this well, and can be used on a tiny hard disk partition with no problem. Just dd it over and it might even be bootable without putting LILO on it. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
