Re: [SOLVED] - The Lost Sheep and Networking
Op vr, 19-01-2007 te 23:24 -0500, schreef Leonid Grinberg: Hello all, I am very happy to say that after many hours of IRC chat and many emails, I have finally fixed the problem I was having. The program 3c5x9cfg.exe did it, and after reconfiguring the card, all worked. The server (which I have named newman (after the Seinfeld character, since the computer is a mail server and Newman is a mailman)) is working beautifully. Thank you, debian-user. Thank you, also, #debian on irc.debian.org. Both of you reminded me of the greatest thing about GNU/Linux - its community. Thank you especially to Jasper and Rick Reynolds, who sent me various programs dealing with the NIC. -- Leonid Grinberg Good to hear that it actually worked. If someone else needs it, it's at http://www.xs4all.nl/~rjnoe/0/pc/hard/net There is also a dos-program to set old isa - Networth cards. // Jasper. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SOLVED] - The Lost Sheep and Networking
Hello all, I am very happy to say that after many hours of IRC chat and many emails, I have finally fixed the problem I was having. The program 3c5x9cfg.exe did it, and after reconfiguring the card, all worked. The server (which I have named newman (after the Seinfeld character, since the computer is a mail server and Newman is a mailman)) is working beautifully. Thank you, debian-user. Thank you, also, #debian on irc.debian.org. Both of you reminded me of the greatest thing about GNU/Linux - its community. Thank you especially to Jasper and Rick Reynolds, who sent me various programs dealing with the NIC. -- Leonid Grinberg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking (3c509)
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Zagrabelny wrote: When installing, debian-installer cannot recognize my card, and gives me a list of modules. In it is ``3c509'', but without a letter. Relatively few 3C509 (Primat chip) s were made. They had only 3Com's proprietary jumperless discovery mechanism. Then ISA Plug-and-Play came out and it wasn't compatible. The revised chip is Pandora, 3C509B, with both the 3Com and MSFT/Intel schemes. We sold millions and millions of those. The 3c509.c driver handles both. However, it does say ``3Com Etherlink III'', so I select it. =20 DHCP fails, despite the fact that my router has DHCP enabled, and many other computers in my house are using it. Setting up static IP does not work either. However, the corresponding light on my router does light up, and, what's more, when I run ``dhclient eth0'', my router claims that the computer connected to it, and got the IP 192.168.1.102 (I can tell by the MAC address that it is my computer). However, the computer itself is simply saying that it got no DHCPOFFERS. 3C509[B] is an ISA card, and its interrupt assignment is stored in a tiny EEPROM. They can be changed to fix a conflict, or if there is more than one 3C509B in your machine. If your router got your MAC address but its offer never came through, you can send but not receive. That is a symptom of the interrupt on the wrong line. Perhaps it was changed early in your 3C509B's life. If your motherboard has an ISA Plug and Play BIOS, it is supposed to work around that and find the right IRQ line. But many BIOSes are broken. That is why Linux has its own ISA Plug and Play. Did you try it? =20 I am at a total loss here. It is clear that the card is working, because, at the very least, the MAC Address is being transferred. However, I cannot connect anywhere, including to 192.168.1.1. =20 Any ideas? There is a 3c5x9setup program in the nictools-nopci package. Perhaps you can put the IRQ (and I/O port base) back to the factory condition. I think it was IRQ 10 and base address 0x300 but don't bet on it. Otherwise, figure out what they are and tell the driver about it in modules.conf. Historically, 3c509 was compiled into the kernel, not loaded as a module. That was because you wanted to run the register location discovery before the machine was really running. That is, at kernel load time, not at modprobe time. But the card is obscure enough now, and few ISA devices exist outside the southbridge chip any more, so the hazard is less. The description in modules.conf(5) is ambiguous and there is no example of a *complete* options line, so I cannot tell you a valid syntax for the line in that file that you need. If you have a kernel with 3c509 compliled in, the kernel command line argument would be eth=0x300,10 try knoppix, see if there are any parameters being passed to the module that corresponds to the interface. if you believe in voodoo, move the nic to a different pci slot. That would be some powerful voodoo. I don't think your motherboard would survive. Another reasonable option would be to retire the 3c509 due to its support issues (incomplete modules.conf manpage) in Linux, and get a PCI NIC. Almost any PCI NIC will outperform any ISA NIC. Cameron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Lost Sheep and Networking
Hello, I recently acquired a fairly old computer. It has a 20GB hard disk, 256MB of RAM and a Pentium MMX 200MhZ processor. It also has a 3Com Etherlink III card rev. B, which means that it is supposed to use the 3c509B module. I tried installing Debian etch from a netinstall CD, but I failed, because I could not get networking to work, which meant that I could not set up an archive mirror to use, which meant that I could not install the base system. After hours of pain, I tried installing FreeBSD, which did work. However, after trying to use it for a while, I realized that I severely hate it. There were several things which annoyed me, not the least of which was that I hated the support on it. In any case, I decided to try Debian again, but I cannot figure out what's wrong with the network card. When installing, debian-installer cannot recognize my card, and gives me a list of modules. In it is ``3c509'', but without a letter. However, it does say ``3Com Etherlink III'', so I select it. DHCP fails, despite the fact that my router has DHCP enabled, and many other computers in my house are using it. Setting up static IP does not work either. However, the corresponding light on my router does light up, and, what's more, when I run ``dhclient eth0'', my router claims that the computer connected to it, and got the IP 192.168.1.102 (I can tell by the MAC address that it is my computer). However, the computer itself is simply saying that it got no DHCPOFFERS. I am at a total loss here. It is clear that the card is working, because, at the very least, the MAC Address is being transferred. However, I cannot connect anywhere, including to 192.168.1.1. Any ideas? -- Leonid Grinberg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
When installing, debian-installer cannot recognize my card, and gives me a list of modules. In it is ``3c509'', but without a letter. However, it does say ``3Com Etherlink III'', so I select it. DHCP fails, despite the fact that my router has DHCP enabled, and many other computers in my house are using it. Setting up static IP does not work either. However, the corresponding light on my router does light up, and, what's more, when I run ``dhclient eth0'', my router claims that the computer connected to it, and got the IP 192.168.1.102 (I can tell by the MAC address that it is my computer). However, the computer itself is simply saying that it got no DHCPOFFERS. I am at a total loss here. It is clear that the card is working, because, at the very least, the MAC Address is being transferred. However, I cannot connect anywhere, including to 192.168.1.1. Any ideas? try knoppix, see if there are any parameters being passed to the module that corresponds to the interface. you may want to try the expert install for etch. also during the install switch to a different VC. try modprobing or insmoding various modules. check actual settings for the interface with 'ifconfig -a'. if you believe in voodoo, move the nic to a different pci slot. -- Matt Zagrabelny - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (218) 726 8844 University of Minnesota Duluth Information Technology Systems Services PGP key 1024D/84E22DA2 2005-11-07 Fingerprint: 78F9 18B3 EF58 56F5 FC85 C5CA 53E7 887F 84E2 2DA2 He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. -Jim Elliot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
if you believe in voodoo, move the nic to a different pci slot. Oh, right, that's the other thing I forgot to mention. I do not think that this is a PCI card. I remember someone telling me on a Debian IRC channel that it is AT, and, also, lspci is not reporting it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
On Monday 15 January 2007 13:30, Leonid Grinberg wrote: Hello, ... It also has a 3Com Etherlink III card rev. B, which means that it is supposed to use the 3c509B module... You may need to use the 3com setup utility to tell the ROM on the card which resources (irq, io, etc.) to use. It's available on the 3com website, but might take some hunting. It's a couple floppy's worth. Unless the card has jumpers, the setup utility might be the only way to go. I've had to do this with a couple of these cards myself, and it's not too difficult. Even after setting the proper irq and such, the Sarge installer still didn't find a network card automatically, but it fired right up once I told it to use the 3c509 module. HTH ...Rob -- A note to the wives: We can't help but stare at car wrecks either, but we don't want one of our own. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/15/07 12:58, Leonid Grinberg wrote: if you believe in voodoo, move the nic to a different pci slot. Oh, right, that's the other thing I forgot to mention. I do not think that this is a PCI card. I remember someone telling me on a Debian IRC channel that it is AT, and, also, lspci is not reporting it. Yes, it very well might be an ISA card. You'll have to crack the case and look. Be prepared with a vacuum to suck out 6 years of dust. If it is an ISA card, you'll have to do an expert install, and probably pass irq and base io numbers to it. Google will definitely be your friend. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFq9FKS9HxQb37XmcRAk4cAJ9yI99uX85yxuhzp46hjifjwOBi2ACdFyWV 3JGy6RnTycp7wvPJNqXabio= =Ag0c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
Leonid Grinberg wrote: if you believe in voodoo, move the nic to a different pci slot. Oh, right, that's the other thing I forgot to mention. I do not think that this is a PCI card. I remember someone telling me on a Debian IRC channel that it is AT, and, also, lspci is not reporting it. That brings back memories. It's an ISA card. It's a long time since I used one, but it may be necessary to pass parameters at boot time. Have a look in the BIOS for an interrupt number and memory location. If you can't find the location, there is a 3Com utility that runs from DOS which can set and read the card parameters. If you own one of those cards you should probably get hold of it anyway. It's the only way I knew then to configure that card, though there may be a Linux utility arrived since then. If you didn't come from Windows, you'll need a 95 or 98 boot floppy, which I think are available on the Net. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
Does anyone have that utility. I could not find it. All I found out was that it is called 3c5x9cfg.exe. I found out that the card has an IRQ of 5 (as printed at startup). However, it says nothing about IO. The IRQ is shared by no other (PCI, there are no other ISA devices) device. However, I read somewhere that in order to get the card to work, it has not have PnP disabled, which I can't do without the utility. So, does anyone have it..? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
Leonid Grinberg wrote: Does anyone have that utility. I could not find it. All I found out was that it is called 3c5x9cfg.exe. Hmm... I thought I had that, but it looks like all I have is 3c5x9setup. Not sure if it will do what you want or not. I have it in source form (3c5x9setup.c) so you can run it under Debian if you'd like. Respond back to the list (or me personally) if you'd like the source code. Thanks, Rick Reynolds -- He who breaks a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom. -- Gandalf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
Well, another person was nice enough to send me 3c5x9cfg.exe off-list, but I'd love the source code for the set up program as well. At this point, the more resources I have for the damn thing, the better! So, yes, 3c5x9setup.c would be much appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Lost Sheep and Networking
Wouldnt it be easier all round if you replace the network card with one known to work with etch ? its a MMX 200 so there's bound to be some pci slots in that motherboard. -- Random Quotes From Megas XLR Coop: You see? The mysteries of the Universe are revealed when you break stuff. Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet. Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not here. Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers has been approved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
