This ugly policy discussion on debian-user.
Hello Dave and Paul. It's nice that you have all this energy available to carry on this discussion, but I've grown quite weary of reading you posts. Thus, I'm probably going to take Dave's advice, from one of his early messages, and make some new entries in my kill file. Before I do kill one or more addresses, I'd like to say a few things. (1) If you want to affect Debian policy decisions, you need to convince the developers, not the users. The user list is busy enough as it is. Why don't you try the debian-devel or debian-policy mailing lists? (2) The developers voted for our Social Contract. We seem to be proceeding within its guidelines. If you two can't stand what's happening, you can feel free to start your own distribution based on the current snapshot of Debian GNU/Linux. (3) The change in the revision name system is truly minor. You guys have just plain blown it up into something to yell about. We will get through the small amount of confusion, and everything will be fine, with or without all the ranting and raving. (4) Regarding the idea of incorporation. You guys missed the boat on that one. The idea was brought up more than a year ago, and was discussed from time to time on the devel list. If you guys wanted a voice in policy, you should have been active on the devel mailing list. If you, Dave, keep bagging on the developers, I doubt that any of them will listen to any points that you might have. You seem to think that yelling at a group of volunteers will get them to do more work for you. Syrus. P.S. You guys make me :-( -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: This ugly policy discussion on debian-user.
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: Hello Dave and Paul. It's nice that you have all this energy available to carry on this discussion, but I've grown quite weary of reading you posts. Thus, I'm probably going to take Dave's advice, from one of his early messages, and make some new entries in my kill file. Before I do kill one or more addresses, I'd like to say a few things. Go ahead if it makes you feel better. I think my reply to your previous post was valid on the 2 points: 1) If the ftp archive was changed in ERROR, it should have been reversed or a clear PUBLIC warning given not to use it. I don't believe it was an error, but was an update. 2) Your comments about the bo-updates name is quite an understatement. You have every right to filter out the truth, but it will still be the truth. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Now shipping version 1.3.? + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: This ugly policy discussion on debian-user.
On 22-Aug-97 Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: Hello Dave and Paul. It's nice that you have all this energy available to carry on this discussion, but I've grown quite weary of reading you posts. Thus, I'm probably going to take Dave's advice, from one of his early messages, and make some new entries in my kill file. Before I do kill one or more addresses, I'd like to say a few things. I wish both of them will drop these. These totally useless nonsense only promotes early retirement of developers since how can they enjoy any of these nonsense. If any user think this is productive, they are dreaming. You just have to look at an example after an example in the freesoftware community to see how damaging few persistent user with a bad attitude can cause. Good example of this is case of 2.0.31 being delayed because of people who don't appreciate the time and effort given to freesoftware by developers. For details of this, read mail archives of linux.kernel mailing list. (1) If you want to affect Debian policy decisions, you need to convince the developers, not the users. The user list is busy enough as it is. Why don't you try the debian-devel or debian-policy mailing lists? As a user, I for one don't want to affect the Debian policy decisions. If a user wants a say in policies, then they should become a developer. David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: This ugly policy discussion on debian-user.
(3) The change in the revision name system is truly minor. You guys have I wouldn't say that. If it were truly minor there would have been no cause for it. Clearly there was a reason, and it is this reason to which Dave and Paul object, if I interpret correctly. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: This ugly policy discussion on debian-user.
Hi, Clint == Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (3) The change in the revision name system is truly minor. You guys have Clint I wouldn't say that. If it were truly minor there would have Clint been no cause for it. Where *did* you learn logic? Only non-minor things have causes? Clint Clearly there was a reason, and it is this reason to which Dave Clint and Paul object, if I interpret correctly. Right. There is a reason, being friendly to Debian users who happen to also sell CD's. The effect is minor, and technically indistinguishable from the previous scheme. The reasons for the objection are a) a misconception that an release engineering error is policy (It is not our intention to have released versions be mutable) b) a misunderstanding about the new numbering scheme. (All releases will be distinctly named). c) aesthetic objections to the new scheme? manoj -- Even if you start your laundry before 8 AM on Saturday, you will not finish folding it until after midnight on Sunday. Karl Lehenbauer Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
