Re: three questions about debian
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Re: three questions about debian
Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doofus wrote: That was four questions. But Passover was last week :-) No! It was yesterday ;) Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:18:48AM +1000, Star King of the Grape Trees wrote: It is much, much better to use native programs, then if you can't find native programs for linux, you may give wine a go. Some people must use emulators (ie, VMWare), and some (like me) are forever doomed to dualbooting. I have recently found rdesktop to be fairly useful for running Windows programs from Linux machines. For example, a lot of my professors have an obnoxious habit of creating Powerpoint files that do not render well in OpenOffice.org (e.g. figures get distorted or labels get misplaced). Fortunately, our University's Windows labs have Remote Desktop enabled, so I can log into them from home and use PDFCreator to convert them to PDFs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
three questions about debian
which program is used to compile and how do you compile a program, and how do i run apt get, also is anyone familiar with wine? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
Xplicit Language wrote: which program is used to compile and how do you compile a program, and how do i run apt get, also is anyone familiar with wine? To compile you use a compiler. The most common one is gcc, though there are others distributed with Debian. Of course, it depends on what programming language you are using. To learn how to use apt-get, run `man apt-get`. Yes, I am familiar with WINE. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: three questions about debian
Xplicit Language wrote:
which program is used to compile
gcc
and how do you
compile a program,
According to the helpful instructions always provided with the source
code (/usr/share/doc/{package_name}).
and how do i run apt get,
apt-get {package_name}
But since you're asking these questions, I would suggest you learn how
to use aptitude initially.
also is
anyone familiar with wine?
No.
That was four questions.
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Re: three questions about debian
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: which program is used to compile Several. gcc for C code. There are others for C and other languages. and how do you compile a program, Depends on how it was set up and where you got it. Often as simple as 'make' 'make install' from the source directory. If there's an 'INSTALL' file in the source directory it should give sufficient info. and how do i run apt get, 'apt-get install program name' or 'apt-get remove package name' To find packages to install try 'apt-cache search foo' also is anyone familiar with wine? As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine windows binary name'. Not all windows programs work under wine, and some require tinkering. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Natural laws have no pity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
Christopher Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: also is anyone familiar with wine? As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine windows binary name'. Not all windows programs work under wine, and some require tinkering. How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use windows? I'm not trying to bait anyone here. I'd be interested to read of what graphical windows software people out there are usefully running under a linux roof. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 12:56:27AM +0100, Doofus wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: also is anyone familiar with wine? As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine windows binary name'. Not all windows programs work under wine, and some require tinkering. How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. It runs a lot of stuff written for the 32 bit windows systems now. I haven't had it in itself be unstable in awhile, just not fully support some programs. I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use windows? Generally I agree with you. Some people are tied for work reasons to a Windows application or two, though, despite their preference for Free software. I'm not trying to bait anyone here. I'd be interested to read of what graphical windows software people out there are usefully running under a linux roof. I've mostly used it to run my extensive collection of win98 games and the GURPS Character Builder (though the 4th edition one does not work under wine). I've also seen it used for Lotus Notes by a person whose company requires its use. Now, however, most of my gaming need is filled by nethack, so I don't use wine much anymore. But not everybody has the option, such as that person who need Lotus Notes for work. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. -- F. Dostoyevski -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
On 4/22/06, Doofus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: also is anyone familiar with wine? As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine windows binary name'. Not all windows programs work under wine, and some require tinkering. How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use windows? I'm not trying to bait anyone here. I'd be interested to read of what graphical windows software people out there are usefully running under a linux roof. Wine is getting pretty good. They went from alpha status to beta status a while ago, and the current release is 0.9.12. The 0.9.X series has been having a release every few weeks. It is definitely not win 3.1 oriented anymore. It is more like win2k/win98 (but they are adding xp stuff as well). The biggest advance is the addition of DirectX 8 and 9 (no need for Cediga). Most of the apps on the top 10 platinum and gold lists are games (CC, WoW, Call of Duty), but non-games on the list include Paint Shop Pro 4, Band in a Box 2005, Winamp 5 and Frontpage 2k2. See http://appdb.winehq.org/ for the complete list. I personally play Starcraft and I will probably try Civ 3 soon. I don't really care about any windows productivity apps. Anyway, it is good enough for my needs. Cheers, Kelly
Re: three questions about debian
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 00:56:27 +0100, Doofus wrote: [...] How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use windows? Wine is pretty OK these days. It helped me a lot to avoid constant rebooting during my transition phase from Windows to Linux. I'm not trying to bait anyone here. I'd be interested to read of what graphical windows software people out there are usefully running under a linux roof. At present I have two applications left: I sometimes need Micrografx Designer to access old drawings of mine, and Microcal Origin because inconsiderate colleagues keep sending experimental data in its specific format. Luckily both these programs run very well under wine. -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
Doofus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. 5 years ago wine was pretty flaky. These days it appears to be pretty nice. It seems to run to run most modern windows software I've tried with it (various 3rd part apps, nothing from MS) with no obvious problems. It even does internationalized software correctly: recently I used wine to run some windows program I downloaded from a company's website, with LANG=ja_JP, and all the UI stuff was in Japanese! I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use windows? People don't want to run windows apps because windows is their thing, they want to run them to do something. E.g., if you buy a hardware synthesizer these days, quite often it will come with windows software; sometimes this software is even necessary for normal use of the hardware. I'm not going to install windows to run such apps, and even if I _did_ have a dual-boot system, what a fucking pain -- reboot the machine, just to use a single app?!?!? -Miles -- `There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
thats the same reason i want to use wine Christopher Nelson, but to play medal of honor with or without gamespy, i am a little addicted to the game, but to answer, i chose to switch to linux, after years of hating constantly unstable windows os, winxp has had the same error twice in a month after getting a service pack 2 update, so i felt linux would be better in a way. --- Christopher Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 12:56:27AM +0100, Doofus wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: also is anyone familiar with wine? As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine windows binary name'. Not all windows programs work under wine, and some require tinkering. How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. It runs a lot of stuff written for the 32 bit windows systems now. I haven't had it in itself be unstable in awhile, just not fully support some programs. I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use windows? Generally I agree with you. Some people are tied for work reasons to a Windows application or two, though, despite their preference for Free software. I'm not trying to bait anyone here. I'd be interested to read of what graphical windows software people out there are usefully running under a linux roof. I've mostly used it to run my extensive collection of win98 games and the GURPS Character Builder (though the 4th edition one does not work under wine). I've also seen it used for Lotus Notes by a person whose company requires its use. Now, however, most of my gaming need is filled by nethack, so I don't use wine much anymore. But not everybody has the option, such as that person who need Lotus Notes for work. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. -- F. Dostoyevski -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
Miles Bader wrote: Doofus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. 5 years ago wine was pretty flaky. These days it appears to be pretty nice. It seems to run to run most modern windows software I've tried with it (various 3rd part apps, nothing from MS) with no obvious problems. Out of curiousity, does it still choke on those braindead 16-bit installers? I recall a couple of years ago trying to install programs that used a 16-bit installer and having the install utterly fail. However, if I installed to a real Windows system and then copied all the installed files over, it ran. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: three questions about debian
i was wondering, if i remove or completely remove something from synaptic is that uninstalling the program or just deleteing the package, and if it does only remove the package, how do i uninstall things like a older version of wine? this help page says that it is best to uninstall it, lol i'm starting to wonder if a windows -- linux switch was a good ideai'm so lost. --- Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miles Bader wrote: Doofus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. 5 years ago wine was pretty flaky. These days it appears to be pretty nice. It seems to run to run most modern windows software I've tried with it (various 3rd part apps, nothing from MS) with no obvious problems. Out of curiousity, does it still choke on those braindead 16-bit installers? I recall a couple of years ago trying to install programs that used a 16-bit installer and having the install utterly fail. However, if I installed to a real Windows system and then copied all the installed files over, it ran. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
Xplicit Language wrote: i was wondering, if i remove or completely remove something from synaptic is that uninstalling the program or just deleteing the package, and if it does only remove the package, how do i uninstall things like a older version of wine? this help page says that it is best to uninstall it, lol i'm starting to wonder if a windows -- linux switch was a good ideai'm so lost. A couple of things: 1. Please don't top post. It is considered impolite. 2. You really should have started a new thread for this question. I am not too familiar with synaptic as I have not used it in a long time. However, there really is not difference between uninstalling the program and deleting the package. When you install a package, its files are unpacked onto your filesystem(s) in their designated places. When you uninstall the package (either remove or purge) their files are removed. The difference between removing and purging is that removing leaves the configuration files in place. When you purge, the configuration files are also removed. In terms of uninstalling an older version of WINE, I am not sure what you mean. If you install a newer version, the older version no longer exists on your system. That is, the files have been replaced by those from the updated package. If you want to remove the package, then you can do so and it will remove WINE entirely. Hopefully this clears it up some for you. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: three questions about debian
Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of curiousity, does it still choke on those braindead 16-bit installers? I recall a couple of years ago trying to install programs that used a 16-bit installer and having the install utterly fail. No idea, sorry. I've never had problems with an installer under wine. -Miles -- I'm beginning to think that life is just one long Yoko Ono album; no rhyme or reason, just a lot of incoherent shrieks and then it's over. --Ian Wolff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Miles Bader wrote: Doofus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. 5 years ago wine was pretty flaky. These days it appears to be pretty nice. It seems to run to run most modern windows software I've tried with it (various 3rd part apps, nothing from MS) with no obvious problems. Out of curiousity, does it still choke on those braindead 16-bit installers? I recall a couple of years ago trying to install programs that used a 16-bit installer and having the install utterly fail. However, if I installed to a real Windows system and then copied all the installed files over, it ran. Afaik, Most windows programs now actually install. It is officially a bug if it does not. (Codeweaver's ran a very good initiative to get apps to install). A caveat is that wine's configuration has changed, you probably don't need to change the settings or even make ~/.wine anymore. (It will automatically make a ~/.wine/c_drive for you) I do recommend you use the latest versions of wine whenever possible, though. Disclaimer: Not a regular wine user. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Xplicit Language wrote: i was wondering, if i remove or completely remove something from synaptic is that uninstalling the program or just deleteing the package, and if it does only remove the package, how do i uninstall things like a older version of wine? this help page says that it is best to uninstall it, lol i'm starting to wonder if a windows -- linux switch was a good ideai'm so lost. Wine is considered the third worst alternative to running a program you want. It is much, much better to use native programs, then if you can't find native programs for linux, you may give wine a go. Some people must use emulators (ie, VMWare), and some (like me) are forever doomed to dualbooting. (I'm doing DirectX game development for university, and I do alot of other Linux development.) PS: Yes, wine does have very good DirectX support, but the code I'm using does not work on it (It is probable that it is not actually portable to many graphics cards, which could be why) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Xplicit Language wrote: i was wondering, if i remove or completely remove something from synaptic is that uninstalling the program or just deleteing the package, and if it does only remove the package, how do i uninstall things like a older version of wine? this help page says that it is best to uninstall it, lol i'm starting to wonder if a windows -- linux switch was a good ideai'm so lost. A couple of things: 1. Please don't top post. It is considered impolite. 2. You really should have started a new thread for this question. I am not too familiar with synaptic as I have not used it in a long time. However, there really is not difference between uninstalling the program and deleting the package. When you install a package, its files are unpacked onto your filesystem(s) in their designated places. When you uninstall the package (either remove or purge) their files are removed. The difference between removing and purging is that removing leaves the configuration files in place. When you purge, the configuration files are also removed. In terms of uninstalling an older version of WINE, I am not sure what you mean. If you install a newer version, the older version no longer exists on your system. That is, the files have been replaced by those from the updated package. If you want to remove the package, then you can do so and it will remove WINE entirely. Hopefully this clears it up some for you. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto thank you roberto and i did not know that i was being rude, i will try to remember to bottom post. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 06:29:08PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: thank you roberto and i did not know that i was being rude, i will try to remember to bottom post. I think it's a bit extreme to say top posting is ``rude,'' but I would certainly agree that it makes reading posts a bit more difficult. That said, proper posting style doesn't consist of just typing your reply below the entire original post (despite how many people here do that)---you should also snip out the irrelevent bits of the original post and interweave your responses as appropriate. Remember, you're writing your email with the hope that others will read it and provide feedback. Spending an extra minute formatting your message to make it easier to read makes it that much more likely someone will read it and respond. (If it takes me too long to try to read an email, I'm more likely to just skip it than to spend any extra time reading it---there are too many other posts that people have taken the time to compose more carefully.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
logrotate: three questions
Hi all! I've looked in the logrotate man page, /usr/share/doc/logrotate (not much there), and google, and I can't seem to find the answer to these questions: 1) I'd like to have the option of never deleting the backups for certain files. The 'rotate' keyword doesn't seem to do this for me, since 0 indicates no logkeeping at all. Is there a way to specify that I don't ever want to delete my logs? Is this perhaps done simply by not having a default 'rotate' entry and not specifying a 'rotate' value for the files in question? 2) The 'extension' keyword -- can it be used to embed a date instead of a number into the backups? I found a number of posts asking this question on google, but no definitive answer. If I *did* manage to do so, would putting dots in the filename confuse logrotate? How does it parse the files? (The latter is probably a RTFS question, huh?) 3) Permissions. The logrotate app is only executable by root on my box. I'm trying to imagine the situation in which giving a normal user access to logrotate would hurt anything, as long as logs have appropriate permissions. Could the paranoid among us speak up and educate me? -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Monique Y. Herman wrote: 3) Permissions. The logrotate app is only executable by root on my box. I'm trying to imagine the situation in which giving a normal user access to logrotate would hurt anything, as long as logs have appropriate permissions. Could the paranoid among us speak up and educate me? That would be a violation of debian policy, and is not the case on any of my systems. -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 33K Oct 9 2002 /usr/sbin/logrotate* -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: logrotate: three questions
On 2004-02-15, Joey Hess penned: Monique Y. Herman wrote: 3) Permissions. The logrotate app is only executable by root on my box. I'm trying to imagine the situation in which giving a normal user access to logrotate would hurt anything, as long as logs have appropriate permissions. Could the paranoid among us speak up and educate me? That would be a violation of debian policy, and is not the case on any of my systems. -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 33K Oct 9 2002 /usr/sbin/logrotate* Well, Bastille locked those permissions down for me. The question is, was Bastille being overly paranoid, or can logrotate be exploited when it's world-executable? -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 12:20:26PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On 2004-02-15, Joey Hess penned: That would be a violation of debian policy, and is not the case on any of my systems. -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 33K Oct 9 2002 /usr/sbin/logrotate* Well, Bastille locked those permissions down for me. Oh, God, why on earth? The question is, was Bastille being overly paranoid, or can logrotate be exploited when it's world-executable? No executable that isn't set-user-id or set-group-id can ever let you do anything you couldn't do yourself anyway. This is why Debian policy says that non-set-id executables shouldn't have restrictive permissions. I'd file a bug with the Bastille people. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: logrotate: three questions
On Sun, 2004-02-15 at 11:16, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
Hi all! I've looked in the logrotate man page, /usr/share/doc/logrotate
(not much there), and google, and I can't seem to find the answer to
these questions:
1) I'd like to have the option of never deleting the backups for certain
files. The 'rotate' keyword doesn't seem to do this for me, since 0
indicates no logkeeping at all. Is there a way to specify that I don't
ever want to delete my logs? Is this perhaps done simply by not having
a default 'rotate' entry and not specifying a 'rotate' value for the
files in question?
I dont have a logrotate answer to this, but you could possibly make a
script/cron job to copy or move or rename your Nth rotated log. However
that might not work very well if you are rotating based on size rather
than by time interval.
uh..ok. strike that, just use the logrotate config postrotate directive
to run a script that does the above.
2) The 'extension' keyword -- can it be used to embed a date instead of
a number into the backups? I found a number of posts asking this
question on google, but no definitive answer. If I *did* manage to do
so, would putting dots in the filename confuse logrotate? How does it
parse the files? (The latter is probably a RTFS question, huh?)
from a quick glance through the code and a little experimentation, I
would guess that you wont be able to add a date in the way you are
suggesting. However, you could again, use a postrotate script to mv the
rotated file.
/root/test.log {
rotate 1
postrotate
mv /root/test.log.1 /root/minicom.log.`date +%F-%T`.1
endscript
}
This would solve both the date problem and the keep your logs forever
problem.
3) Permissions. The logrotate app is only executable by root on my box.
I'm trying to imagine the situation in which giving a normal user access
to logrotate would hurt anything, as long as logs have appropriate
permissions. Could the paranoid among us speak up and educate me?
Actually, users already have access to logrotate. Its just that
/usr/sbin usually isnt in their path by default. So the only thing you
really need to consider is permissions (assuming the debian security
folks have already thought through problems with users accessing
logrotate itself). As long as they only have permissions on logs that
you dont care about, then I dont see a problem.
-davidc
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Re: logrotate: three questions
On 2004-02-15, Colin Watson penned:
On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 12:20:26PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On 2004-02-15, Joey Hess penned:
That would be a violation of debian policy, and is not the case on
any of my systems.
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 33K Oct 9 2002
/usr/sbin/logrotate*
Well, Bastille locked those permissions down for me.
Oh, God, why on earth?
Well, this was in my /var/log/Bastille/last.config :
# Q: Would you like to set more restrictive permissions on the
# administration utilities? [N]
FilePermissions.generalperms_1_1=Y
And this was in my action-log:
{Sun Dec 21 22:50:35 2003} Answer to question FilePermissions.generalperms_1_1
is Y.
Followed by a whole slew of chmods, logrotate being among them.
The question is, was Bastille being overly paranoid, or can logrotate
be exploited when it's world-executable?
No executable that isn't set-user-id or set-group-id can ever let you
do anything you couldn't do yourself anyway. This is why Debian policy
says that non-set-id executables shouldn't have restrictive
permissions.
I'd file a bug with the Bastille people.
Is this really a bug, or just a bad/pointless idea? I mean, it asked me
if I should lock these tools down, and I said yes. I can always loosen
up permissions on a case by case basis.
I should probably file a wishlist item, in any case, that the Bastille
interface enumerate the files it's going to chmod if you answer 'yes' to
this question.
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Re: logrotate: three questions
Monique Y. Herman wrote: Is this really a bug, or just a bad/pointless idea? I mean, it asked me if I should lock these tools down, and I said yes. I can always loosen up permissions on a case by case basis. Unless bastille closes down access to programs like perl, python, gcc, the shell, and all file downloads, it is thoroughly useless to block execution of any non suid/sgid binaries. It is also a violation of debian policy, section 10.9: Setuid and setgid executables should be mode 4755 or 2755 respectively, and owned by the appropriate user or group. They should not be made unreadable (modes like 4711 or 2711 or even 4111); doing so achieves no extra security, because anyone can find the binary in the freely available Debian package; it is merely inconvenient. For the same reason you should not restrict read or execute permissions on non-set-id executables. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: three questions about modules
* Benjamin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010422 21:35]: 1.) the default behavior for debian seems to be to run modprobe on all modules listed in /etc/modules at boot time, without -k (autoclean). is there a way to change this behavior? edit /etc/init.d/modutils 2.) i've looked through some of the kernel docs, but it seems that the only place i can find the names that the kernel uses to refer to devices, i.e. char-major-14 for sound, is in the documentation for each specific module, and most of the time it's not even listed there. where can i find a list of all the names that the kernel uses for devices when it calls modprobe to load a module? read linux-src-dir/Documentation/devices.txt
Re: three questions about modules
From: Benjamin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: three questions about modules 1.) the default behavior for debian seems to be to run modprobe on all modules listed in /etc/modules at boot time, without -k (autoclean). is there a way to change this behavior? 2.) i've looked through some of the kernel docs, but it seems that the only place i can find the names that the kernel uses to refer to devices, i.e. char-major-14 for sound, is in the documentation for each specific module, and most of the time it's not even listed there. where can i find a list of all the names that the kernel uses for devices when it calls modprobe to load a module? Device drivers in the Linux kernel are accessed through a pair of numbers called the major and minor number. The major number specifies which driver should be used (each driver is accessed through a unique major number) - the minor number specifies which instance/device is being accessed. There is a kind of file called a device special file while associates a name with a major/minor number pair. These device files are what (mostly) make up the /dev directory. You can see the major/minor number pair associated with a device special file in a long directory listing. For example, the device special files /dev/hda, /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda3 are: brw-rw1 root disk 3, 0 Feb 23 1999 /dev/hda brw-rw1 root disk 3, 1 Feb 23 1999 /dev/hda1 brw-rw1 root disk 3, 2 Feb 23 1999 /dev/hda2 brw-rw1 root disk 3, 3 Feb 23 1999 /dev/hda3 These all have major number 3, and minor numbers 0 to 3 respectively. There are actually two types of devices: character devices and block devices - the 'b' in the first column of the directory listing tells us that these refer to block devices. Now, back to the aliases. If a program tries to access a device major number that the kernel doesn't know how to handle (because there's no driver currently loaded that has registered with that major number), the kernel will construct a module name according to the pattern: type-major-major number and try to load that module. For example, on my laptop I have the device special file: crw-r--r--1 root root 161, 0 Feb 23 1999 /dev/ircommnew0 and the entry in /etc/modules.conf: alias char-major-161 ircomm-tty which means that if I try to access /dev/ircommnew0, the kernel will automatically load the ircomm-tty module if it's not already loaded. That's _one_ way the kernel works out which module it should use to provide a service - for this method, the listing you're looking for is given by constructing the appropriate name from the data given by ls -l /dev. There are other ways too - for example, if you try to bring up a network interface that doesn't exist, the kernel will try to load a module by that name. That's why you add alias eth0 network card module name to your modules.conf - when you try to bring up eth0, it will load the correct module for your network card. I hope that's a least a little illuminating. 3.) i installed the kernel-image-2.4.3-686 package that was recently uploaded to unstable, and i'm perplexed. my root partition uses ext2 as its filesystem, yet when i run lsmod, i see the ext2 module listed. how is this possible? does kernel 2.4 use some kind of voodoo magic that lets it read my kernel image off my root partition without knowing anything about the filesystem used to store it? the only thing i can think of is that the new kernel package also uses an initrd image... is this how it is accomplishing this amazing feat, superior even to bootstrapping? if so, please explain; i know nothing about initrd and what it does--the only thing i know about ramdisks is from my dos days when i could make a virtual drive out of ram and run programs super duper fast off of it. /ben initrd allows a ramdisk to be created already initialised with data (from an image file). This means that you could have the ext2 module in the ramdisk image, so that you can load it from the ramdisk, and then use it to mount the 'real' root partition. I'm not 100% on the way this works - I think the safest answer is yes, it _is_ voodoo. - Kevin. -- |_|_ | _ _ |_ PGP public key: http://www.wilykit.com/wilykit.key |_) . |_)|(_|(_ |\ Never rub another man's rhubarb. -- Joker
three questions about modules
1.) the default behavior for debian seems to be to run modprobe on all modules listed in /etc/modules at boot time, without -k (autoclean). is there a way to change this behavior? 2.) i've looked through some of the kernel docs, but it seems that the only place i can find the names that the kernel uses to refer to devices, i.e. char-major-14 for sound, is in the documentation for each specific module, and most of the time it's not even listed there. where can i find a list of all the names that the kernel uses for devices when it calls modprobe to load a module? 3.) i installed the kernel-image-2.4.3-686 package that was recently uploaded to unstable, and i'm perplexed. my root partition uses ext2 as its filesystem, yet when i run lsmod, i see the ext2 module listed. how is this possible? does kernel 2.4 use some kind of voodoo magic that lets it read my kernel image off my root partition without knowing anything about the filesystem used to store it? the only thing i can think of is that the new kernel package also uses an initrd image... is this how it is accomplishing this amazing feat, superior even to bootstrapping? if so, please explain; i know nothing about initrd and what it does--the only thing i know about ramdisks is from my dos days when i could make a virtual drive out of ram and run programs super duper fast off of it. /ben -- |_|_ | _ _ |_ PGP public key: http://www.wilykit.com/wilykit.key |_) . |_)|(_|(_ |\ Never rub another man's rhubarb. -- Joker pgp413Hn6phkF.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Three questions
The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. Although I didn't agree with the tone of this message, I definitely think something needs to be done about Linux documentation, especially if it is expected that people switch to it from Windows/Mac (my personal opinion is that they *should* do that) where a lot of things are tucked away and done behind their backs. For me this is a dangerous road to go down. It may be that to dumb down Linux enough that it can be used by a larger group of less computer literate people might alienate the current users. I believe one flaw in the Microsoft Windows approach is that the inherent complexity in configuration can be hidden but never eliminated; the poor user is left wondering what the computer might be doing and why. In Linux this complexity is in your face; but in my opinion that's the safest place for it to be. But I agree, Linux needs better documentation and some more tools to manage the configuration in a canonical way; preferable across a network of similar machines. Andrew
RE: Three questions
if linux had more documentation that would take more of the fun outta it!@ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Linux System Administrator http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Andrew Hately wrote: The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. Although I didn't agree with the tone of this message, I definitely think something needs to be done about Linux documentation, especially if it is expected that people switch to it from Windows/Mac (my personal opinion is that they *should* do that) where a lot of things are tucked away and done behind their backs. For me this is a dangerous road to go down. It may be that to dumb down Linux enough that it can be used by a larger group of less computer literate people might alienate the current users. I believe one flaw in the Microsoft Windows approach is that the inherent complexity in configuration can be hidden but never eliminated; the poor user is left wondering what the computer might be doing and why. In Linux this complexity is in your face; but in my opinion that's the safest place for it to be. But I agree, Linux needs better documentation and some more tools to manage the configuration in a canonical way; preferable across a network of similar machines. Andrew -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Three questions
I was under the _impression_ that people in the Linux community were supposed to be helpful. Obviously I was mistaken. I asked some very specific questions, I hoped to get some helpful answers. Obviously I was mistaken to even bother if I was to simply be directed to a Howto file. The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. They are far better off with a proprietory WELL SUPPORTED form of unix, even if it costs considerably more. That way they won't get a smart arse answer like this when they ask a direct question. I don't want a long, indepth, very indirect discussion of how to manage a network or ethernet connect. I want clear, distinct EXAMPLES. Now, little boy, pull your socks up. If you're not willing to help then it might be better for you to remain silent, rather than remove any doubt in my mind that you're a fool. Take a look at the Ethernet and NETWORK HOWTOs. I have a system on which I've just installed debian. It has two network cards but during setup only one was recognised. I need to know how to: 1) Make the system recognise the other network card. Is there a utility which probes the card and determines what type it is and (hopefully) installs the correct driver for it? 2) Make the system utilise the other network card. 3) How do I assign a seperate IP number, gateway, etc. to it? cheers Brian -- Brian Ross, Network Manager Voice +61-1-2-6279-8336 John Curtin School of Medical Research Fax +61-1-2-6247-4823 Australian National University -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Brian Ross, Network Manager Voice +61-1-2-6279-8336 John Curtin School of Medical Research Fax +61-1-2-6247-4823 Australian National University
Re: Three questions
I'm sorry that your experience with linux has thus far been so bad. I understand how frustrating dealing with linux and all these problems might be. The linux community as a whole is very willing to help, but there are lots of questions that are commonly asked that are answered in howto and mailing archives. many people who use linux and read these mailing list are busy people, though willing to help, are probably like you, with lots of commitments. they usually have little amount of time that they need to delegate constructively. you'll get much friendlier responses if you would do your homework beforehand by: (1) reading the relavent howto's (2) browse/search the mailing list archives for previous posts that are relevant. now, though i'm no guru (far from it), let's get on to your questions =) (1) it helps a LOT if you know we know what network card it is. also the chipset the card uses. you usually needs these in order to determine the correct drivers. i like to check /proc/pci to see if the card was detected at startup. if it is, then you just need to install the drivers. installing the drivers can be done from modconf (again, i'm not sure of the program, i don't use it =p ). you can also compile your own kernel and put the drivers in that way. read the kernel-howto. =) (2) though i haven't setup a two network card system before i believe the idea is the same. you would use ifconfig eth0 ... the same arguments you give to the first card except changing eth0 to the device file your second card is on (probably eth1). these are usually done at boot in a script: /etc/init.d/networking (/etc/init.d/network in slink). though they've been changing that around on me. =p please read the howto's and mailing list archives first. then post the question. you'll find more people are willing to help you. Herbert Ho On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was under the _impression_ that people in the Linux community were supposed to be helpful. Obviously I was mistaken. I asked some very specific questions, I hoped to get some helpful answers. Obviously I was mistaken to even bother if I was to simply be directed to a Howto file. The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. They are far better off with a proprietory WELL SUPPORTED form of unix, even if it costs considerably more. That way they won't get a smart arse answer like this when they ask a direct question. I don't want a long, indepth, very indirect discussion of how to manage a network or ethernet connect. I want clear, distinct EXAMPLES. Now, little boy, pull your socks up. If you're not willing to help then it might be better for you to remain silent, rather than remove any doubt in my mind that you're a fool. Take a look at the Ethernet and NETWORK HOWTOs. I have a system on which I've just installed debian. It has two network cards but during setup only one was recognised. I need to know how to: 1) Make the system recognise the other network card. Is there a utility which probes the card and determines what type it is and (hopefully) installs the correct driver for it? 2) Make the system utilise the other network card. 3) How do I assign a seperate IP number, gateway, etc. to it? cheers Brian -- Brian Ross, Network Manager Voice +61-1-2-6279-8336 John Curtin School of Medical Research Fax +61-1-2-6247-4823 Australian National University -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Brian Ross, Network Manager Voice +61-1-2-6279-8336 John Curtin School of Medical Research Fax +61-1-2-6247-4823 Australian National University -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Three questions
*- On 8 Oct, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: Three questions I was under the _impression_ that people in the Linux community were supposed to be helpful. Obviously I was mistaken. I asked some very specific questions, I hoped to get some helpful answers. Obviously I was mistaken to even bother if I was to simply be directed to a Howto file. The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. They are far better off with a proprietory WELL SUPPORTED form of unix, even if it costs considerably more. That way they won't get a smart arse answer like this when they ask a direct question. I don't want a long, indepth, very indirect discussion of how to manage a network or ethernet connect. I want clear, distinct EXAMPLES. Here are some clear, distinct examples from the howto's that were mentioned. From the Ethernet HOWTO: 3.2. Using More than one Ethernet Card per Machine What needs to be done so that Linux can run two ethernet cards? With the Driver as a Module: Most linux distributions use modular drivers now (as opposed to having the driver built into the kernel). [snip] As an example, consider a user that has two ISA NE2000 cards, one at 0x300 and one at 0x240 and what lines they would have in their /etc/conf.modules file: alias eth0 ne alias eth1 ne options ne io=0x240,0x300 [snip] As a final example, consider a user with one 3c503 card at 0x350and one SMC Elite16 (wd8013) card at 0x280. They would have: alias eth0 wd alias eth1 3c503 options wd io=0x280 options 3c503 io=0x350 [snip] With the Driver Compiled into the Kernel: If you have the driver compiled into the kernel, then the hooks for multiple ethercards are all there. However, note that at the moment only one ethercard is auto-probed for by default. This helps to avoid possible boot time hangs caused by probing sensitive cards. [snip] LILO: linux ether=5,0x300,eth0 ether=15,0x280,eth1 From the NET-3 HOWTO: 5.7. Routing. [snip] The first step is to configure the interface as described earlier. You would use a command like: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up [snip] You now need to add an entry into the routing table to tell the kernel that datagrams for all hosts with addresses that match 192.168.1.* should be sent to the ethernet device. You would use a command similar to: # route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 [snip] used instead of the default route. The idea of the default route is simply to enable you to say and everything else should go here. In the example I've contrived you would use an entry like: # route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0 [snip] Let's now look at a slightly more complicated routing configuration. Let's imagine we are configuring the router we looked at earlier, the one supporting the PPP link to the Internet and the lan segments feeding the workstations in the office. Lets imagine the router has three ethernet segments and one PPP link. Our routing configuration would look something like: # route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 # route add -net 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth1 # route add -net 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth2 # route add default ppp0 Take a look at the Ethernet and NETWORK HOWTOs. I have a system on which I've just installed debian. It has two network cards but during setup only one was recognised. I need to know how to: 1) Make the system recognise the other network card. Is there a utility which probes the card and determines what type it is and (hopefully) installs the correct driver for it? 2) Make the system utilise the other network card. 3) How do I assign a seperate IP number, gateway, etc. to it? cheers Brian -- Brian Ross, Network Manager Voice +61-1-2-6279-8336 John Curtin School of Medical Research Fax +61-1-2-6247-4823 Australian National University -- Brian Servis -- Mechanical Engineering | Never criticize anybody until you Purdue University | have walked a mile in their shoes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | because by that time you will be a http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis | mile away and have their shoes.
Re: Three questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was under the _impression_ that people in the Linux community were supposed to be helpful. Obviously I was mistaken. Sorry to be blunt, but you're acting like the Linux community owes you something. Everyone here is a volunteer in one way or another. Occasionally I answer questions. I'm not being paid for it, it's just something I like doing - to try to improve people's experiences with linux. In return, you should either be thankful, or not say anything at all. My mother always said: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. This is especially true for the debian-user list, as we are all volunteering our services. I asked some very specific questions, I hoped to get some helpful answers. Obviously I was mistaken to even bother if I was to simply be directed to a Howto file. What makes this answer unhelpful? I have found the Howtos to be a most valuable source of information, even when I first started learning linux (no previous unix experience). The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. They are far better off with a proprietory WELL SUPPORTED form of unix, even if it costs considerably more. That way they won't get a smart arse answer like this when they ask a direct question. The Howtos are also created by volunteers. If you think that they do not cover what you think they should cover, you should contact the author and tell them nicely about what you expect to see there. I don't want a long, indepth, very indirect discussion of how to manage a network or ethernet connect. I want clear, distinct EXAMPLES. As it happens, the ethernet howto (which you have already been directed to) contains exactly that: http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.2 Now, little boy, pull your socks up. If you're not willing to help then it might be better for you to remain silent, rather than remove any doubt in my mind that you're a fool. Comments such as this can never amount to anything but hostility. Take a look at the Ethernet and NETWORK HOWTOs. You really should. Others have already done what you are trying to do. One of them decided to write a document describing what he did, so that others may do it too. If you don't understand it, you can always ask here for further explanation. I have a system on which I've just installed debian. It has two network cards but during setup only one was recognised. I need to know how to: 1) Make the system recognise the other network card. Is there a utility which probes the card and determines what type it is and (hopefully) installs the correct driver for it? This was answered in one of the other replies. 2) Make the system utilise the other network card. This is in the ethernet howto. 3) How do I assign a seperate IP number, gateway, etc. to it? This is in the network howto. http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 Matthew
Re: Three questions
On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I was under the _impression_ that people in the Linux community were : supposed to be helpful. Obviously I was mistaken. [ snip more of the same ] : I don't want a long, indepth, very indirect discussion of how to manage : a network or ethernet connect. I want clear, distinct EXAMPLES. : : Now, little boy, pull your socks up. If you're not willing to help then : it might be better for you to remain silent, rather than remove any : doubt in my mind that you're a fool. Oh, I'm sure such an outstanding attitude will win you all sorts of friends. Nevertheless, you might care to pass an ether= line at boot. Try it by hand first to make sure you get it right - you will need to know the IRQ and base IO for your cards. (I assume they're of the same type; I deleted your original post already). I'll assume you know how to get to a boot prompt. On my machine with two 3Com 3C509 ISA cards I enter: linux ether=11,0x2e0,eth1 ether=10,0x300,eth0 Once booted you should be able to configure eth1 (look at /etc/init.d/network to see how it's done). Once you're sure you've got the ether line right, add a line to /etc/lilo.conf: append=ether=11,0x2e0,eth1 ether=10,0x300,eth0 Don't forget to re-run LILO. If you find my references to examining other bits of the system to find out how it's done smart-arse, then I respectfully submit that Linux is not for you. Find me a commercial UNIX (or any software) that provides free support and also sets it all up for you. Linux comes the closest. Don't forget, the people on this list volunteer their time; they don't have to help you. If you feel someone isn't answering your question, attacking them may not be overly productive, eh? Have a nice day, -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
Re: Three questions
On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 01:53:30AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was under the _impression_ that people in the Linux community were supposed to be helpful. Obviously I was mistaken. You have probably heard that Linux (and other Unices) are much more flexible and powerful than WinXX. One major difference between any Unix (Linux included) and WinXX is that you have to _unserstand_ it. With WinXX, someone can tell you to flip this, click that, press this and if your requirements are within bounds set by Redmond, you should be ok. This is generally not true in our world. Quick answers for very well documented and simple problems (like yours) can get you going for a few hours, but soon you'll need another quick answer, and soon after another .. This is if you haven't read any docs. Once you have done your homework and ask *real* questions, you'll see how helpful the Linux community is. -- Mojahed
RE: Three questions
The poor quality of documentation, such as these how tos is one of the reasons why I recommend when ever I am asked whether a site should move to linux to recommend that they don't. Although I didn't agree with the tone of this message, I definitely think something needs to be done about Linux documentation, especially if it is expected that people switch to it from Windows/Mac (my personal opinion is that they *should* do that) where a lot of things are tucked away and done behind their backs. People have told me that certain things on Linux are difficult to setup, but the only thing I've personally found difficult is reading a how-to and I'm someone who's been with computers when DOS was the predominant OS for PCs. I don't like the idea of people new to computers trying to understand the how-tos when I've had trouble with them myself, although Linux *is* relatively new with its popularity and I'd imagine all this would be cleared up in a year from now when Bill Gates will be the head chef of McDonald's. : ) -- Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:4982727 B Grafyx http://www.bgrafyx.com L.J.R. Engineering http://www.ljreng.com PHP Interest Group http://www.gigabee.com/pig/
Three questions
I have a system on which I've just installed debian. It has two network cards but during setup only one was recognised. I need to know how to: 1) Make the system recognise the other network card. Is there a utility which probes the card and determines what type it is and (hopefully) installs the correct driver for it? 2) Make the system utilise the other network card. 3) How do I assign a seperate IP number, gateway, etc. to it? cheers Brian -- Brian Ross, Network Manager Voice +61-1-2-6279-8336 John Curtin School of Medical Research Fax +61-1-2-6247-4823 Australian National University
Three questions regarding new install (Win95 sharing and FTP and kernel)
Hi all. I have installed the bo version of Debian and am very happy with it. I have three questions (I have read a fair number of docs and faqs, but have not found simple answers). 1. During the install, I enabled Windows95 file sharing. How do I actually set this up? 2. After installation is complete, if I want to remove an item from the install (I added IPX and don't want it), how do I accomplish this? (I only have the basic installation right now... see #3. 3. Due to factors beyond my control, this Linux system MUST share the network with Wintel systems. All internet access is through MS Proxy Server on an NT server box. All other wintel machines on the net can access internet via http and ftp, etc. I can ping any machine on the network (including the Debian system). I can FTP from the Debian system to the NT server (running Proxy). I CANNOT FTP to the internet. If I try FTP open ftp.debian.org I get site not found (or something of that sort). I cannot ftp to the actual IP address of ftp.debian.org, either. Can anyone assist me with this task? I simply want to ftp to the debian site, but I MUST go through the MS proxy server. Thanks in advance, -Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Three questions regarding new install (Win95 sharing and FTP and kernel)
2. After installation is complete, if I want to remove an item from the install (I added IPX and don't want it), how do I accomplish this? (I only have the basic installation right now... see #3. Edit /etc/modules and remove the line with ipx 3. Due to factors beyond my control, this Linux system MUST share the network with Wintel systems. All internet access is through MS Proxy Server on an NT server box. All other wintel machines on the net can access internet via http and ftp, etc. Did you specify the NT machine running proxy as your gateway during install? Did you specify any nameservers? I don't know what kind of proxy is it, you may need to ftp to the proxy and enter ftp.debian.org as a username, or something of this kind. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
