Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Jape Person]

On 08/12/2017 07:32 AM, Javier Barroso wrote:

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Jape Person  wrote:

On 08/11/2017 06:27 PM, Javier Barroso wrote:


Hello,

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge  wrote:


Sven Joachim  wrote:


On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:




After this upgrade

thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)

Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?




Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.



Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
fixes the problem.



You can also download thunderbird and its addons from
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/icedove/1%3A52.2.1-4/, selecting
your architecture

See what packages have you installed from icedove them:

   aptitude search '?and(?source-package(icedove),?installed)'

Download to Download/icedove and install with apt install
./Download/icedove/*.deb

Regards




I was just getting frustrated enough to do the recompile. Ugh. I'm old, have
poor eyesight, and was not anxious to do that while recovering from
pneumonia.

I'll give it a shot.

Thank you much for the reminder. I used to love to do things the hard way,
but that's not my thing any more. Just spent today doing a system
installation and configuration for a system that lost a solid state drive.

JP


It is solved in sid now (maintainer rebuild it with gcc 6)

Regards



Better the maintainer than me!

;-)

I'm very lazy these days. Speaking of which, thank you again.

JP

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Javier Barroso]

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Jape Person  wrote:
> On 08/11/2017 06:27 PM, Javier Barroso wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sven Joachim  wrote:

 On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:
>>>
>>>
> After this upgrade
>
> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>
> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>>>
>>>
 Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.
>>>
>>>
>>> Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
>>> fixes the problem.
>>
>>
>> You can also download thunderbird and its addons from
>> http://snapshot.debian.org/package/icedove/1%3A52.2.1-4/, selecting
>> your architecture
>>
>> See what packages have you installed from icedove them:
>>
>>   aptitude search '?and(?source-package(icedove),?installed)'
>>
>> Download to Download/icedove and install with apt install
>> ./Download/icedove/*.deb
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>
> I was just getting frustrated enough to do the recompile. Ugh. I'm old, have
> poor eyesight, and was not anxious to do that while recovering from
> pneumonia.
>
> I'll give it a shot.
>
> Thank you much for the reminder. I used to love to do things the hard way,
> but that's not my thing any more. Just spent today doing a system
> installation and configuration for a system that lost a solid state drive.
>
> JP
>
It is solved in sid now (maintainer rebuild it with gcc 6)

Regards

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Jape Person]

On 08/11/2017 06:27 PM, Javier Barroso wrote:

Hello,

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge  wrote:

Sven Joachim  wrote:

On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:



After this upgrade

thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)

Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?



Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.


Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
fixes the problem.


You can also download thunderbird and its addons from
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/icedove/1%3A52.2.1-4/, selecting
your architecture

See what packages have you installed from icedove them:

  aptitude search '?and(?source-package(icedove),?installed)'

Download to Download/icedove and install with apt install
./Download/icedove/*.deb

Regards




I was just getting frustrated enough to do the recompile. Ugh. I'm old, 
have poor eyesight, and was not anxious to do that while recovering from 
pneumonia.


I'll give it a shot.

Thank you much for the reminder. I used to love to do things the hard 
way, but that's not my thing any more. Just spent today doing a system 
installation and configuration for a system that lost a solid state drive.


JP

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 11 August 2017 14:53:01 Doug wrote:

> On 08/11/2017 10:12 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 11 August 2017 10:54:22 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running
> >>> linuxcnc to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs
> >>> realtime support so that when a machine needs direction as to what
> >>> to do next, linuxcnc has at the most 10 microseconds to respond.
> >>
> >> So why do you run a *web browser* on this machine?  Put it in the
> >> work shed or wherever, and control it like a server or an
> >> appliance.
> >
> > Chuckle.  2 of them are in fact in a 12x16 shed in the back yard,
> > and occasionally I might need to step over to the other idle machine
> > and look something up, so both have FF installed, but with the dram
> > shortage FF causes, I don't run LCNC and FF at the same time on
> > either atom powered machine.  Ditto the garage and its currently 2
> > machines.
> >
> >> Put your web browser on your desktop computer, and upgrade it to
> >> something that is supported.
> >
> > That I have in the planning stage, starting with a fresh HD. But
>
>  *wheezy is an old friend and I have excised the majority of its
> warts over the years.*
>
> First off, I have some scripts that greatly simplify things for me,
> and which depends on dbus, which I read is deprecated, so what
> replaces it?
>
>
> It still works, doesn't it?
> As Anne Landers used to say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Sounds
> like good advice to me.
>
> --doug

There's an echo in here. Oh, its you.  :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Javier Barroso]

Hello,

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge  wrote:
> Sven Joachim  wrote:
>> On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:
>
>>> After this upgrade
>>>
>>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>>>
>>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
>>> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
>>> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>
>> Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.
>
> Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
> fixes the problem.

You can also download thunderbird and its addons from
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/icedove/1%3A52.2.1-4/, selecting
your architecture

See what packages have you installed from icedove them:

 aptitude search '?and(?source-package(icedove),?installed)'

Download to Download/icedove and install with apt install
./Download/icedove/*.deb

Regards

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Sven Hartge]

Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:

>> After this upgrade
>>
>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>>
>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
>> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
>> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?

> Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.

Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
fixes the problem.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2017-08-11, Gene Heskett  wrote:

(...)

> First off, I have some scripts that greatly simplify things for me, and 
> which depends on dbus, which I read is deprecated, so what replaces it?

Dbus is still around in stretch, and has many dependent packages. I
don't think it's going anywhere soon.

-- 

Liam

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Doug]

On 08/11/2017 10:12 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 11 August 2017 10:54:22 Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running
linuxcnc to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime
support so that when a machine needs direction as to what to do
next, linuxcnc has at the most 10 microseconds to respond.

So why do you run a *web browser* on this machine?  Put it in the work
shed or wherever, and control it like a server or an appliance.


Chuckle.  2 of them are in fact in a 12x16 shed in the back yard, and
occasionally I might need to step over to the other idle machine and
look something up, so both have FF installed, but with the dram shortage
FF causes, I don't run LCNC and FF at the same time on either atom
powered machine.  Ditto the garage and its currently 2 machines.


Put your web browser on your desktop computer, and upgrade it to
something that is supported.

That I have in the planning stage, starting with a fresh HD. But


*wheezy is an old friend and I have excised the majority of its warts over 
the years.*

First off, I have some scripts that greatly simplify things for me, and
which depends on dbus, which I read is deprecated, so what replaces it?


It still works, doesn't it?
As Anne Landers used to say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Sounds like
good advice to me.

--doug

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 11 August 2017 10:54:22 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running
> > linuxcnc to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime
> > support so that when a machine needs direction as to what to do
> > next, linuxcnc has at the most 10 microseconds to respond.
>
> So why do you run a *web browser* on this machine?  Put it in the work
> shed or wherever, and control it like a server or an appliance.
>
Chuckle.  2 of them are in fact in a 12x16 shed in the back yard, and 
occasionally I might need to step over to the other idle machine and 
look something up, so both have FF installed, but with the dram shortage 
FF causes, I don't run LCNC and FF at the same time on either atom 
powered machine.  Ditto the garage and its currently 2 machines.

> Put your web browser on your desktop computer, and upgrade it to
> something that is supported.

That I have in the planning stage, starting with a fresh HD. But wheezy 
is an old friend and I have excised the majority of its warts over the 
years.

First off, I have some scripts that greatly simplify things for me, and 
which depends on dbus, which I read is deprecated, so what replaces it?

Thanks Greg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running linuxcnc 
> to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime support so 
> that when a machine needs direction as to what to do next, linuxcnc has 
> at the most 10 microseconds to respond.

So why do you run a *web browser* on this machine?  Put it in the work
shed or wherever, and control it like a server or an appliance.

Put your web browser on your desktop computer, and upgrade it to
something that is supported.

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 11 August 2017 01:45:03 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

> Le 11/08/2017 à 07:38, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > On Thursday 10 August 2017 14:48:52 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am not sure I understand your mail in details. What I can say is
> >> that we tried building against gtk2 and it works. It is just a
> >> build option switch to change. Why do you think Debian package will
> >> not do it?
> >
> > It hasn't played a video, except some commercials in front of the
> > video in several weeks. I can't download the binary from mozilla
> > because its built against gtk3, and the dependency's it needs are
> > not available in the wheezy repo's. I haven't tried to build from
> > src, no clue where to get it even.
>
> Wheezy is quite old, is it impossible to switch to Jessie at least?

I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running linuxcnc 
to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime support so 
that when a machine needs direction as to what to do next, linuxcnc has 
at the most 10 microseconds to respond.  The last truely realtime kernel 
was built some time back as  3.4-9-rtai-686-pae. The rtai is a very 
invasive patch in that it takes over the machine and runs the linux 
kernel as a subtask.

No one has built a 4.x.x kernel with that patchkit and has had any real 
success, the one jessie install I have is on an armhf (respberry pi 3b)
but its is running on mesa interface cards which means a 1 millisecond 
response time is adequate. That machine is running a newer kernel in the 
rt-preempt flavor, a 4.4.4-rt9-v7+, but while newer builds have been 
tried, they all ignore the local keyboard to the extent it both unusable 
and dangerous as it leaves a 300+ kilogram machine moving when it should 
have stopped when I took my finger off the jog key. That is a pi 
physical architecture problem that a thought experiment I had might 
solve but haven't bought the hardware to test the theory yet. I am also 
following the forum and reviews on pines new rock64 board as a possible 
replacement of the r-pi.

Wheezy is stable, running from power outage to power outage, which might 
be several months. This particular machine has a UPS, backed up by a 
20KW automatic standby generator on a pad behind the garage, and its 
uptime is 47 days, since the last update that needed a reboot. The 
generator is needed as the wife is dieing of COPD, and lack of air 
conditioning  may hasten the time of her last breath.

Wheezy is an old friend I can get things done with. Jessie could get that 
way, but I've 3 machines that will need all the interfacing replaced if 
I made the version jump for all.  Its an LTS, so I've 3 years of 
security updates still.

> Anyway, have you reported the problem?
>
I have not, I understand there is a bug number but I have not found it in 
the mail morgue here.

> > Why should I have to build FF from src, this isn't gentoo or arch?
>
> I dont say you should, I say it is a working solution and we submitted
> it to maintainers of the package. Dont hesitate to reply the bug
> report I gave to help us to convince them to rebuild the package
> according to this requirement for DebiaN 7 and 8.

That would be great, and I'd add my two cents if I knew the address, bug 
number, and my passwd.

>  It is a known bug we reported under number 870719.

Ah, there's the bug number, now where is that address?

Found it, plea sent. Somehow, the passwd was bypassed. I hope it gets 
thru.

[...]

Thanks Jean-Philippe

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Jape Person]

On 08/10/2017 10:40 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:


After this upgrade

thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)

Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because 
portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the 
window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?


Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.

Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user 
results in same behavior.


I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different
desktop environments, too.


This is independent of the desktop environment.

Cheers, Sven




Thanks, Sven.

Ugh! What a nasty set of behaviors!

Makes me "pine" for "mutt".

;-)

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Le 11/08/2017 à 07:38, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Thursday 10 August 2017 14:48:52 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not sure I understand your mail in details. What I can say is
>> that we tried building against gtk2 and it works. It is just a build
>> option switch to change. Why do you think Debian package will not do
>> it?
>>
> It hasn't played a video, except some commercials in front of the video 
> in several weeks. I can't download the binary from mozilla because its 
> built against gtk3, and the dependency's it needs are not available in 
> the wheezy repo's. I haven't tried to build from src, no clue where to 
> get it even.

Wheezy is quite old, is it impossible to switch to Jessie at least?
Anyway, have you reported the problem?

> Why should I have to build FF from src, this isn't gentoo or arch?

I dont say you should, I say it is a working solution and we submitted
it to maintainers of the package. Dont hesitate to reply the bug report
I gave to help us to convince them to rebuild the package according to
this requirement for DebiaN 7 and 8.

Regards

> I have got chromium working in its place for everything but banking. I 
> can and now have, bought several things online using chromium.
> 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Le 10/08/2017 à 20:31, Gene Heskett a écrit :
>>> On Thursday 10 August 2017 13:05:02 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
 Hi,


 It is a known bug we reported under number 870719. The problem is
 that this release builds against GTK3 and, in stable releases
 (including oldstable), it is a problem. The solution we suggest to
 the maintainer, and known to work), is building against GTK2 as
 Thunderbird 45 was. We are waiting for maintainers feedbacks, as we
 really think it is a debian-specific bug. Debian does not have to
 build against GTK3 and should not, given problems in display.


 Regards,
>>>
>>> In this old farts mind, gtk3 should been still born. gtk2 left one
>>> heck of a legacy code base behind and they won't let us use it
>>> anymore even on wheezy.  Thats about the same vacuum suckage as
>>> halfway to Alpha Centari.
>>>
 Le 10/08/2017 à 18:29, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Thursday 10 August 2017 11:08:44 Joe wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
>>
>> Jape Person  wrote:
>>> After this upgrade
>>>
>>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>>>
>>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
>>> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until
>>> the window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>>>
>>> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
>>> results in same behavior.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different
>>> desktop environments, too.
>>
>> Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.
>>
>> New update today OK.
>>
>> Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at
>> least not in Sid...
>
> Despite a mozilla-flash update this AM, firefox is still DIW, will
> not play a video, not even the commercial in front of it. Using
> chromium for my default browser now.
>
> Do I detect an effort to kill mozilla/firefox?  It has not worked
> for any videos but you-tubes in 6 months. And for the last several
> weeks, not even there, as the debian version has no html5 support
> according the window the video is supposed to play in.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

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Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 10 August 2017 14:50:34 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

Why did I get 3 copies of this?
>  Hi,
>
> I am not sure I understand your mail in details. What I can say is
> that we tried building against gtk2 and it works. It is just a build
> option switch to change. Why do you think Debian package will not do
> it?
>
> Regards,
>
> Le 10/08/2017 à 20:31, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > On Thursday 10 August 2017 13:05:02 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> >> Hi,
[...]
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 10 August 2017 14:48:52 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am not sure I understand your mail in details. What I can say is
> that we tried building against gtk2 and it works. It is just a build
> option switch to change. Why do you think Debian package will not do
> it?
>
It hasn't played a video, except some commercials in front of the video 
in several weeks. I can't download the binary from mozilla because its 
built against gtk3, and the dependency's it needs are not available in 
the wheezy repo's. I haven't tried to build from src, no clue where to 
get it even.

Why should I have to build FF from src, this isn't gentoo or arch?

I have got chromium working in its place for everything but banking. I 
can and now have, bought several things online using chromium.

> Regards,
>
> Le 10/08/2017 à 20:31, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > On Thursday 10 August 2017 13:05:02 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >> It is a known bug we reported under number 870719. The problem is
> >> that this release builds against GTK3 and, in stable releases
> >> (including oldstable), it is a problem. The solution we suggest to
> >> the maintainer, and known to work), is building against GTK2 as
> >> Thunderbird 45 was. We are waiting for maintainers feedbacks, as we
> >> really think it is a debian-specific bug. Debian does not have to
> >> build against GTK3 and should not, given problems in display.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >
> > In this old farts mind, gtk3 should been still born. gtk2 left one
> > heck of a legacy code base behind and they won't let us use it
> > anymore even on wheezy.  Thats about the same vacuum suckage as
> > halfway to Alpha Centari.
> >
> >> Le 10/08/2017 à 18:29, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> >>> On Thursday 10 August 2017 11:08:44 Joe wrote:
>  On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
> 
>  Jape Person  wrote:
> > After this upgrade
> >
> > thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
> >
> > Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> > portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until
> > the window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
> >
> > Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
> > results in same behavior.
> >
> > I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different
> > desktop environments, too.
> 
>  Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.
> 
>  New update today OK.
> 
>  Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at
>  least not in Sid...
> >>>
> >>> Despite a mozilla-flash update this AM, firefox is still DIW, will
> >>> not play a video, not even the commercial in front of it. Using
> >>> chromium for my default browser now.
> >>>
> >>> Do I detect an effort to kill mozilla/firefox?  It has not worked
> >>> for any videos but you-tubes in 6 months. And for the last several
> >>> weeks, not even there, as the debian version has no html5 support
> >>> according the window the video is supposed to play in.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

 Hi,

I am not sure I understand your mail in details. What I can say is that
we tried building against gtk2 and it works. It is just a build option
switch to change. Why do you think Debian package will not do it?

Regards,


Le 10/08/2017 à 20:31, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Thursday 10 August 2017 13:05:02 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It is a known bug we reported under number 870719. The problem is that
>> this release builds against GTK3 and, in stable releases (including
>> oldstable), it is a problem. The solution we suggest to the
>> maintainer, and known to work), is building against GTK2 as
>> Thunderbird 45 was. We are waiting for maintainers feedbacks, as we
>> really think it is a debian-specific bug. Debian does not have to
>> build against GTK3 and should not, given problems in display.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
> 
> In this old farts mind, gtk3 should been still born. gtk2 left one heck 
> of a legacy code base behind and they won't let us use it anymore even 
> on wheezy.  Thats about the same vacuum suckage as halfway to Alpha 
> Centari.
> 
>> Le 10/08/2017 à 18:29, Gene Heskett a écrit :
>>> On Thursday 10 August 2017 11:08:44 Joe wrote:
 On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400

 Jape Person  wrote:
> After this upgrade
>
> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>
> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>
> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
> results in same behavior.
>
> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different
> desktop environments, too.

 Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.

 New update today OK.

 Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at least
 not in Sid...
>>>
>>> Despite a mozilla-flash update this AM, firefox is still DIW, will
>>> not play a video, not even the commercial in front of it. Using
>>> chromium for my default browser now.
>>>
>>> Do I detect an effort to kill mozilla/firefox?  It has not worked
>>> for any videos but you-tubes in 6 months. And for the last several
>>> weeks, not even there, as the debian version has no html5 support
>>> according the window the video is supposed to play in.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

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Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 10 August 2017 13:05:02 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> It is a known bug we reported under number 870719. The problem is that
> this release builds against GTK3 and, in stable releases (including
> oldstable), it is a problem. The solution we suggest to the
> maintainer, and known to work), is building against GTK2 as
> Thunderbird 45 was. We are waiting for maintainers feedbacks, as we
> really think it is a debian-specific bug. Debian does not have to
> build against GTK3 and should not, given problems in display.
>
>
> Regards,

In this old farts mind, gtk3 should been still born. gtk2 left one heck 
of a legacy code base behind and they won't let us use it anymore even 
on wheezy.  Thats about the same vacuum suckage as halfway to Alpha 
Centari.

> Le 10/08/2017 à 18:29, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > On Thursday 10 August 2017 11:08:44 Joe wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
> >>
> >> Jape Person  wrote:
> >>> After this upgrade
> >>>
> >>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
> >>>
> >>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> >>> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> >>> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
> >>>
> >>> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
> >>> results in same behavior.
> >>>
> >>> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different
> >>> desktop environments, too.
> >>
> >> Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.
> >>
> >> New update today OK.
> >>
> >> Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at least
> >> not in Sid...
> >
> > Despite a mozilla-flash update this AM, firefox is still DIW, will
> > not play a video, not even the commercial in front of it. Using
> > chromium for my default browser now.
> >
> > Do I detect an effort to kill mozilla/firefox?  It has not worked
> > for any videos but you-tubes in 6 months. And for the last several
> > weeks, not even there, as the debian version has no html5 support
> > according the window the video is supposed to play in.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,


It is a known bug we reported under number 870719. The problem is that
this release builds against GTK3 and, in stable releases (including
oldstable), it is a problem. The solution we suggest to the maintainer,
and known to work), is building against GTK2 as Thunderbird 45 was. We
are waiting for maintainers feedbacks, as we really think it is a
debian-specific bug. Debian does not have to build against GTK3 and
should not, given problems in display.


Regards,



Le 10/08/2017 à 18:29, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> On Thursday 10 August 2017 11:08:44 Joe wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
>>
>> Jape Person  wrote:
>>> After this upgrade
>>>
>>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>>>
>>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
>>> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
>>> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>>>
>>> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
>>> results in same behavior.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different desktop
>>> environments, too.
>> Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.
>>
>> New update today OK.
>>
>> Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at least not
>> in Sid...
> Despite a mozilla-flash update this AM, firefox is still DIW, will not 
> play a video, not even the commercial in front of it. Using chromium for 
> my default browser now.
>
> Do I detect an effort to kill mozilla/firefox?  It has not worked for any 
> videos but you-tubes in 6 months. And for the last several weeks, not 
> even there, as the debian version has no html5 support according the 
> window the video is supposed to play in.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

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Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 10 August 2017 11:08:44 Joe wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
>
> Jape Person  wrote:
> > After this upgrade
> >
> > thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
> >
> > Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> > portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> > window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
> >
> > Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
> > results in same behavior.
> >
> > I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different desktop
> > environments, too.
>
> Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.
>
> New update today OK.
>
> Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at least not
> in Sid...

Despite a mozilla-flash update this AM, firefox is still DIW, will not 
play a video, not even the commercial in front of it. Using chromium for 
my default browser now.

Do I detect an effort to kill mozilla/firefox?  It has not worked for any 
videos but you-tubes in 6 months. And for the last several weeks, not 
even there, as the debian version has no html5 support according the 
window the video is supposed to play in.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 8/10/17, Joe  wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
> Jape Person  wrote:
>
>> After this upgrade
>>
>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>>
>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
>> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
>> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>>
>> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
>> results in same behavior.
>>
>> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different desktop
>> environments, too.
>>
>
> Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.
>
> New update today OK.


Coincidentally I had just seen this in my inbox earlier:

[SECURITY] [DSA 3928-1] firefox-esr security update; Moritz
Muehlenhoff; 2017.08.10
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/msg00190.html

I'm only seeing Jessie and Stretch get a mention. I'm current and
haven't seen anything about a new update in Buster.


> Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at least not
> in Sid...

I resemble that fact. If you lose your primary, how are you ever going
to track down a backup when the primary breaks. Never mind, am
smacking my head as fast as I wrote that. Via terminal command line,
one could:

[your-CHOICE-of-package-manager] search web browser

And then install... via that same terminal command line interface.

But if you were in an emergency situation of need, that's when an
immediately accessible secondary browser would matter. *been there,
done that (on dialup)* :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Joe]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:24:43 -0400
Jape Person  wrote:

> After this upgrade
> 
> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
> 
> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
> results in same behavior.
> 
> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different desktop 
> environments, too.
> 

Not only that, but not just Thunderbird, Firefox also trashed.

New update today OK.

Never just have one mail client or one browser installed, at least not
in Sid...

-- 
Joe 

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:

> After this upgrade
>
> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>
> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?

Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.

> Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user
> results in same behavior.
>
> I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different desktop
> environments, too.

This is independent of the desktop environment.

Cheers,
   Sven

Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Jape Person]

After this upgrade

thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)

Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because portions 
of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the window is 
resized. Is anyone else seeing this?


Using different desktop themes or logging in as a different user results 
in same behavior.


I'm curious to know whether this is being seen in different desktop 
environments, too.


JP