Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Stephan Seitz wrote on 16/12/2019 20:50: > On Mo, Dez 16, 2019 at 08:32:01 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >> Does anybody else see such a /pulse directory? > > Yes, here as well (two testing systems). > > Shade and sweet water! > > Stephan > Thanks for confirming this. Are you using sysv-init or systemd-init? Regards, Jörg.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 16/12/2019 20:32: > Greg Wooledge wrote on 16/12/2019 17:29: >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 10:04:34AM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >>> $ dpkg -S /pulse >>> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse >>> >>> fails to give any clue. >>> The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint >>> in >>> systemd or udev conf-files. >> >> Well, the first thing I would try would be "grep -r /pulse /etc". >> And if that fails, "grep -r /pulse /lib/systemd". > > Did that, also > > $ grep -rI pulse /lib/udev > > to no avail. >> >> If *those* both fail... well, I might be crazy enough to try removing >> the offending directory, doing "chattr +i /", then rebooting, and seeing >> who complains when they can't create the /pulse directory. Only on a >> system where I have local hardware access, of course -- not a remote. >> >> Do not forget to remove the immutable bit after your test is complete. >> >> And as a wise reader already said, it's probably pulseaudio. Meaning, >> you might be able to test without rebooting, by stopping pulseaudio, >> removing the directory, and starting pulseaudio, to see if it gets >> recreated. > > The /pulse directory is created at boot-time. The pulseaudio process is > started > at login on this system. Also, pulseaudio continues to work after removal of > /pulse which is always an empty directory. It has uid 0 and gid 0 an is not > readable for group or others. > The only relevant script at boot-time on my system seems to be from alsa-utils. But at the moment I'm lost how this interacts with pulseaudio. At the same time the /pulse directory is created, there is created an also empty /run/alsa/runtime/pulse directory. Any idea, anybody? > Does anybody else see such a /pulse directory? Regards, Jörg.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
On 12/14/19, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 14 dec 19, 10:04:34, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >> Brian wrote on 13/12/2019 21:29: >> > On Fri 13 Dec 2019 at 20:26:32 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >> >> >> >> does anybody know which package generates the directory /pulse ? This >> >> is a bug >> >> in unstable I think, but I can't find which package is the culprit. >> > >> > https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages >> > >> That doesn't help, the same way as >> >> $ dpkg -S /pulse >> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse >> >> fails to give any clue. >> The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any >> hint in >> systemd or udev conf-files. > > You could try to use inotify to find out what is creating it. > > My money is on pulseaudio ;) Something about pulseaudio, maybe a "pa" in a file name somehow, is what coincidentally hit my radar, too... just a few seconds ago. Got forced offline another 3 weeks with more hardware failure. Am trying to get ANOTHER dialup modem running directly via Debian. That meant poking around in /etc where there sits, of all things, a /pulse directory in *my* setup.. I THINK... I saw one or more files ending in... maybe DOTca? In case that helps.. What I was already thinking when I read this thread hours ago is that it sounds like a misfire in where the /pulse directory is setting up its home base. Mine appears basically permanent. Maybe this other one is a cranky sort that keeps re-establishing itself the way I've seen some packages do with files if they're missing at startup. BUT... my experience with THOSE files reappearing as needed (if deleted intentionally or otherwise) is that THOSE files are usually something found under /home/user buried within all those dot directories accessed via CTRL+H. Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed... annnd... a dial-up modem that is SO CLOSE to working directly through Debian. SO CLOSE. *
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
On Mo, Dez 16, 2019 at 08:32:01 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Does anybody else see such a /pulse directory? Yes, here as well (two testing systems). Shade and sweet water! Stephan -- |If your life was a horse, you'd have to shoot it.|
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Greg Wooledge wrote on 16/12/2019 17:29: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 10:04:34AM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: >> $ dpkg -S /pulse >> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse >> >> fails to give any clue. >> The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint >> in >> systemd or udev conf-files. > > Well, the first thing I would try would be "grep -r /pulse /etc". > And if that fails, "grep -r /pulse /lib/systemd". Did that, also $ grep -rI pulse /lib/udev to no avail. > > If *those* both fail... well, I might be crazy enough to try removing > the offending directory, doing "chattr +i /", then rebooting, and seeing > who complains when they can't create the /pulse directory. Only on a > system where I have local hardware access, of course -- not a remote. > > Do not forget to remove the immutable bit after your test is complete. > > And as a wise reader already said, it's probably pulseaudio. Meaning, > you might be able to test without rebooting, by stopping pulseaudio, > removing the directory, and starting pulseaudio, to see if it gets > recreated. The /pulse directory is created at boot-time. The pulseaudio process is started at login on this system. Also, pulseaudio continues to work after removal of /pulse which is always an empty directory. It has uid 0 and gid 0 an is not readable for group or others. Does anybody else see such a /pulse directory? Regards, Jörg.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 10:04:34AM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > $ dpkg -S /pulse > dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse > > fails to give any clue. > The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint in > systemd or udev conf-files. Well, the first thing I would try would be "grep -r /pulse /etc". And if that fails, "grep -r /pulse /lib/systemd". If *those* both fail... well, I might be crazy enough to try removing the offending directory, doing "chattr +i /", then rebooting, and seeing who complains when they can't create the /pulse directory. Only on a system where I have local hardware access, of course -- not a remote. Do not forget to remove the immutable bit after your test is complete. And as a wise reader already said, it's probably pulseaudio. Meaning, you might be able to test without rebooting, by stopping pulseaudio, removing the directory, and starting pulseaudio, to see if it gets recreated.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
On Sat 14 Dec 2019 at 10:04:34 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Brian wrote on 13/12/2019 21:29: > > On Fri 13 Dec 2019 at 20:26:32 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> does anybody know which package generates the directory /pulse ? This is a > >> bug > >> in unstable I think, but I can't find which package is the culprit. > > > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > > That doesn't help, the same way as > > $ dpkg -S /pulse > dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse > > fails to give any clue. Of course it helps and gives a clue. It points to investigating what you suggest below. > The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint in > systemd or udev conf-files. -- Brian.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
On Sb, 14 dec 19, 10:04:34, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Brian wrote on 13/12/2019 21:29: > > On Fri 13 Dec 2019 at 20:26:32 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > >> > >> does anybody know which package generates the directory /pulse ? This is a > >> bug > >> in unstable I think, but I can't find which package is the culprit. > > > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > > That doesn't help, the same way as > > $ dpkg -S /pulse > dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse > > fails to give any clue. > The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint in > systemd or udev conf-files. You could try to use inotify to find out what is creating it. My money is on pulseaudio ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Brian wrote on 13/12/2019 21:29: > On Fri 13 Dec 2019 at 20:26:32 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> does anybody know which package generates the directory /pulse ? This is a >> bug >> in unstable I think, but I can't find which package is the culprit. > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > That doesn't help, the same way as $ dpkg -S /pulse dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /pulse fails to give any clue. The directory is generated at boot-time. But I wasn't able to find any hint in systemd or udev conf-files. Regards, Jörg.
Re: unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
On Fri 13 Dec 2019 at 20:26:32 +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Hello, > > does anybody know which package generates the directory /pulse ? This is a bug > in unstable I think, but I can't find which package is the culprit. https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages -- Brian.
unstable: directory pulse in root directory : /pulse where from?
Hello, does anybody know which package generates the directory /pulse ? This is a bug in unstable I think, but I can't find which package is the culprit. Regards, Jörg.
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 01:33 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 07:41:20AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: However, here's the instruction how to build a dummy package for Debian based distros: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html titleAPT HOWTO (Obsolete Documentation) - Very useful helpers/title ^^ equivs-control and equivs-build still work that way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342973704.2312.79.camel@precise
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:29:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:57 +, Camaleón wrote: aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. The sound server issue becomes more annoying with each day. Currently it's hip to use Jack with DBus support, a PITA regarding to my needs. I wonder how newbies should be able to handle all this stuff. For my usual setups that's not a concern but basically because I don't make an advanced use of the sound facility other than watching flash videos in Youtube and playing multimedia content locally with Totem or Rhythmbox. Under this scenario PA causes me zero headaches. For me it doesn´t. I only use - Flash / HTML 5 (preferable) videos - Amarok - Dragon Player / Kaffeine with file or DVD playback - USB sound card with Phonon VLC. With Pulseaudio I had all the aforementioned issues here in the thread like for example 1-2 seconds delay when pressing play on watching DVD between video and audio. Video starts and audio takes 1-2 second to start do and then is off sync. Thats on a dual core 2,5 GhZ Intel Sandybridge machine with rtkit installed. Honestly I just though WTF? as that delay was completely gone after I removed Pulseaudio. And that was with some Pulseaudio 2 version already. I am not on earth going to hand-tune this. Either this works out of the box for me, or Pulseaudio is gone from my machine. Its as easy as that for me right now. Anyway, venting my anger with Pulseaudio here likely won´t help getting it changed. But from my experience at pulseaudio-discuss mailing list and reporting bugs I just got frustrated. Cause I got the impression that upstream is basically ignoring everything they do not like to see. They are perfectly entitled from doing that. And I am perfectly entitled not to use Pulseaudio, I have perfectly no obligation to do any hand-tuning at all to fix this on my own. Once I understood that I became more calm again. Its still a pity IMHO since a good, cross desktop environment sound server could be a good thing. But IMHO then it needs to be a drop-in replacement. It seems to work for you that way. Then by all means, use it. ;) For me it didn´t. The only specifics on *one* of the machines was a system-wide installation. That may be related to some of the problems, but otherwise I couldn´t have Amarok playback on one session while using another session at work. But granted thats unsupported. But then so thanks. It doesn´t work for my usage scenario and I may perfectly be done with it then. It was the machine with the latency issue between audio/video and in hindsight it might have had to do with the system-wide installation. But then IMHO I shouldn´t be required to do a system-wide installation in order to playback music on one KDE session while using another one for work. But then thats an design feature. A user could record one other users music and that is an security issue. But then why not just provide a simple option like Network Manager does when I want to be able to setup a WLAN connection for several users. Too complex? Well then Pulseaudio is no drop-in replacement for me. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207201132.27175.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Adrian Fita: On 18/07/12 02:57, Brad Alexander wrote: [...] Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Opinions and experiences requested and welcome. I quite like PulseAudio. I haven't had issues with it for about 2-3 years now. I guess I was lucky and it depends on the machine and the audio chip. A couple a days ago I read a blog post about things to do when having issues with audio [1]. I suggest you read those too, maybe it will give you some ideas and maybe fixes to your problems. [1] http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/07/13/top-five-wrong -ways-to-fix-your-audio/ | 2. Don’t purge PulseAudio | First, PulseAudio itself isn’t perfect, some of the bindings to | PulseAudio aren’t perfect, and some of the drivers are not perfect in | the way PulseAudio wants to use it either. So there might be valid | reasons to temporarily move it out of your way, even if it would be | better to actually fix the problem and submit a bug fix patch (if you’re | capable of doing so). | But don’t try uninstalling the PulseAudio package, as it has far too | many dependencies. Following lots of further instructions. And how do I tell this to my dad? Good, that I do not have too, cause I setup the system for me so that it works. I agree that Pulseaudio became a dependency too soon. Especially when I see threads like this with all the issues quite some users have. I am glad that it is not yet a dependency for KDE stuff and hope that it won´t become one until its a drop-in replacement for everyone that just used ALSA + dmix before. In the Linux kernel development community there is a golden rule: Never break userspace. I think this rule should be applied to userspace infrastructure daemons as well: Never break existing usage scenarios when you want to become a standard dependency on every distro and desktop. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207201138.53165.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 05:53:34PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:57:58 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: (...) So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Ask yourself if you really need PA in your system. I'm just as happy using straight alsa and building a dummy package. However, two things that come to mind are a) what happens when/if pa becomes the standard and b) are there any interesting things I can do with it (e.g. multiplexing/balancing sound). If I can do b) without PA, so much the better. I'm thinking worst case, jack, but that didn't have a lot of docs, last time I checked. I've found jack to be not too bad. It may take a while to set all your applications to use it, but after that it works well. Regarding dummy packages, couldn't you also just install pulseaudio but blacklist modules or remove a startup script? /etc/default/pulseaudio seems to indicate some ways to prevent it from loading (in Gnome at least -- in other window managers I don't think it loads automatically anyway). -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720122919.gb9...@aurora.owens.net
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 07:41:20AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: However, here's the instruction how to build a dummy package for Debian based distros: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html titleAPT HOWTO (Obsolete Documentation) - Very useful helpers/title ^^ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720133312.GA19764@tal
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:32:26 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:29:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:57 +, Camaleón wrote: aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. The sound server issue becomes more annoying with each day. Currently it's hip to use Jack with DBus support, a PITA regarding to my needs. I wonder how newbies should be able to handle all this stuff. For my usual setups that's not a concern but basically because I don't make an advanced use of the sound facility other than watching flash videos in Youtube and playing multimedia content locally with Totem or Rhythmbox. Under this scenario PA causes me zero headaches. For me it doesn´t. I only use - Flash / HTML 5 (preferable) videos - Amarok - Dragon Player / Kaffeine with file or DVD playback - USB sound card with Phonon VLC. (...) MAybe the difference here is that I'm using GNOME and P-A was integrated in the GNOME environment since years so maybe is more polished here. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jubtp1$10r$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:40:46AM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: Have a try with ALSA+Jack (qjackctl gui) and use vlc phonon backend for KDE4 (gstreamer backend really sucks IMHO). Phonon is currently set up for vlc. If you plan to use non-alsa compliant applications some tweaks may be needed but it's worth trying. -- No need to remove PA, just stop it. -- When I try to in the traditional way, I get: [defiant /home/storm]# /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). And the process is still running: [defiant /home/storm]# ps auxww | grep pulse storm 4756 0.0 0.0 319820 6700 ?Sl Jul09 5:54 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog This is because pulseaudio is running as your user, and not as a daemon. See /etc/default/pulseaudio -- you probably have PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=0 Just run 'killall pulseaudio' as your regular user. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720161620.ga11...@aurora.owens.net
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Freitag, 20. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:32:26 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:29:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:57 +, Camaleón wrote: aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. The sound server issue becomes more annoying with each day. Currently it's hip to use Jack with DBus support, a PITA regarding to my needs. I wonder how newbies should be able to handle all this stuff. For my usual setups that's not a concern but basically because I don't make an advanced use of the sound facility other than watching flash videos in Youtube and playing multimedia content locally with Totem or Rhythmbox. Under this scenario PA causes me zero headaches. For me it doesn´t. I only use - Flash / HTML 5 (preferable) videos - Amarok - Dragon Player / Kaffeine with file or DVD playback - USB sound card with Phonon VLC. (...) MAybe the difference here is that I'm using GNOME and P-A was integrated in the GNOME environment since years so maybe is more polished here. Well, could be. At some time I might revisit PulseAudio. As written, I had some apt-get purge and install cycles with Network Manager but now use it on all of my laptops – but not on the workstation at work, cause then it happened that I logon while my NFS home is not yet mounted due to network not up yet. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207201903.58577.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: Have a try with ALSA+Jack (qjackctl gui) and use vlc phonon backend for KDE4 (gstreamer backend really sucks IMHO). Phonon is currently set up for vlc. If you plan to use non-alsa compliant applications some tweaks may be needed but it's worth trying. -- No need to remove PA, just stop it. -- When I try to in the traditional way, I get: [defiant /home/storm]# /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). And the process is still running: [defiant /home/storm]# ps auxww | grep pulse storm 4756 0.0 0.0 319820 6700 ?Sl Jul09 5:54 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog So it is probably coming off in the very near term. Thanks Raffaele, --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+az-BZx79D2BaDq-cQ=8gyogkq9zsrnbwpauvptvkr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
2012/7/19 Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: Have a try with ALSA+Jack (qjackctl gui) and use vlc phonon backend for KDE4 (gstreamer backend really sucks IMHO). Phonon is currently set up for vlc. If you plan to use non-alsa compliant applications some tweaks may be needed but it's worth trying. -- No need to remove PA, just stop it. -- When I try to in the traditional way, I get: [defiant /home/storm]# /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). And the process is still running: [defiant /home/storm]# ps auxww | grep pulse storm 4756 0.0 0.0 319820 6700 ?Sl Jul09 5:54 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog So it is probably coming off in the very near term. this will prevent pulseaudio from starting in your current runlevel: update-rc.d -f pulseaudio remove reboot and pulseaudio should not be there anymore, but if not... kill -9 $(pidof pulseaudio) is your friend :-) you can enable pulseaudio again when you've done with: update-rc-d pulseaudio defaults Thanks Raffaele, --b -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale. (V. Evangelisti) *
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:53 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: I'm just as happy using straight alsa and building a dummy package. I'm a dummy(-package-builder) too, since it's more comfortable, than to rebuild some stuff without PA dependencies, which is possible too. However, here's the instruction how to build a dummy package for Debian based distros: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html Huh, I did not need to until now. Its just not installed and thats it. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207191210.56557.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Raffaele Morelli: 2012/7/19 Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: Have a try with ALSA+Jack (qjackctl gui) and use vlc phonon backend for KDE4 (gstreamer backend really sucks IMHO). Phonon is currently set up for vlc. If you plan to use non-alsa compliant applications some tweaks may be needed but it's worth trying. -- No need to remove PA, just stop it. -- When I try to in the traditional way, I get: [defiant /home/storm]# /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). And the process is still running: [defiant /home/storm]# ps auxww | grep pulse storm 4756 0.0 0.0 319820 6700 ?Sl Jul09 5:54 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog So it is probably coming off in the very near term. this will prevent pulseaudio from starting in your current runlevel: update-rc.d -f pulseaudio remove reboot and pulseaudio should not be there anymore, but if not... kill -9 $(pidof pulseaudio) is your friend :-) you can enable pulseaudio again when you've done with: update-rc-d pulseaudio defaults No, it won´t with per user sessions. Edit exit 0 into martin@merkaba:~ which start-pulseaudio-x11 /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 martin@merkaba:~ which start-pulseaudio-kde /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-kde (and possibly add some diversion or do chattr +i to avoid having those files overwritten on package upgrades) or switch Pulseaudio in non supported system-wide mode in /etc/default/pulseaudio and then do insserv -r pulseaudio insserv pulseaudio,stop=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,S (the latter to avoid having it re-install the start links on package upgrades) -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207191213.45150.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Hi Raffaele, Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2012 schrieb Raffaele Morelli: 2012/7/18 Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com I need an opinion here. I had a 5 year old, lovingly upgraded workstation with 32-bit sid up until I upgraded my hardware. I did a nuke and pave and reinstalled amd64 sid. Sometime along the line, pulseaudio was installed, which broke sound on the old setup. Through my reading, it appeared that pulse behaved better when installed with a clean install. (the old one was about 5 years old.) So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) […] Have a try with ALSA+Jack (qjackctl gui) and use vlc phonon backend for KDE4 (gstreamer backend really sucks IMHO). If you plan to use non-alsa compliant applications some tweaks may be needed but it's worth trying. Is there an howto, is it easy to setup, what advantages does it have over ALSA + dmix and can I have Amarok playing in one KDE session while using another KDE session for work? Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207191215.31388.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 schrieb Brad Alexander: So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give Just read this again. I tried to like pulse Yes, I did to. ;) -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207191216.23717.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wednesday 18 July 2012 15:50:32 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: Regarding your question of keeping PA or not I would give it a chance, read the official docs¹ and if nothing helps to alleviate the cranky- underwater sound and problems persist I would then reconsider my decision. KDE users can be considered lucky if PA is not a hard dependency for them It isn´t and thats good. Using plain ALSA with Phonon-VLC and my audio world is comfortable for me again. After a long struggle. See my other mail. I also use ALSA with Phonon-VLC, and have no problems with it. I removed PA long ago, when I had some problems with it. I may try it again at some time in the future, but for now my current setup meets my needs. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. | | Research Scientist III | | NYS Dept. of Health j...@wadsworth.org | | Wadsworth Center - ESP | | P. O. Box 509518 486-7829 | | Albany, NY 12201-0509 | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:29:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:57 +, Camaleón wrote: aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. The sound server issue becomes more annoying with each day. Currently it's hip to use Jack with DBus support, a PITA regarding to my needs. I wonder how newbies should be able to handle all this stuff. For my usual setups that's not a concern but basically because I don't make an advanced use of the sound facility other than watching flash videos in Youtube and playing multimedia content locally with Totem or Rhythmbox. Under this scenario PA causes me zero headaches. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ju9614$nho$7...@dough.gmane.org
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:57 +, Camaleón wrote: aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. The sound server issue becomes more annoying with each day. Currently it's hip to use Jack with DBus support, a PITA regarding to my needs. I wonder how newbies should be able to handle all this stuff. I don't mind having a variety of sound support options, similar to other things in the Linux world. You have basic user distros, distros to use for security and forensics, distros to use as cluster compute nodes, and so forth. But it is (fairly) clearly marked which is for what...Or sound software. Or graphics programs. There are those for beginners and those for the professional. Unfortunately, the rocks and shoals of backend sound plumbing isn't clearly marked. Lennart clearly wrote pulse to address this, but I think it was released too early and adopted too soon. Just my 2 cents, --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakmzw+zgw3wwfkwsioh+ee4w6wy7kpocmhp6mjojqav_bcz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 13:42 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: Lennart clearly wrote pulse to address this, but I think it was released too early and adopted too soon. I don't know him personally, but I heard that he shouldn't be an idiot. However, I don't like him ;), maybe you came to the point, it became a dependency much to early. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342724710.1281.27.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On 18/07/12 02:57, Brad Alexander wrote: [...] Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Opinions and experiences requested and welcome. I quite like PulseAudio. I haven't had issues with it for about 2-3 years now. I guess I was lucky and it depends on the machine and the audio chip. A couple a days ago I read a blog post about things to do when having issues with audio [1]. I suggest you read those too, maybe it will give you some ideas and maybe fixes to your problems. [1] http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/07/13/top-five-wrong-ways-to-fix-your-audio/ -- Adrian Fita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50086de1.9040...@gmail.com
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 07:57:58PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: [cut] So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. I think that, for best results with pulseaudio, one has to use an all-or-nothing approach. Pulseaudio is good, but it doesn't take kindly to other programs using the sound system at the same time. As such, make sure that amarok and phonon (the KDE sound API) are using pulseaudio to play sounds and NOT alsa directly. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On 07/18/2012 01:57 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. I have the same problem (underwater sound) :( Sometimes, I don't even need to use Amarok to trigger it, it starts with the first sound after entering the KDE4 session -- Ivo Ugrina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5006ce3b.2050...@iugrina.com
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:57:58 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: (...) So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Ask yourself if you really need PA in your system. I'm very happy with the old ESD and still have not found a hard requirement for using a different sound server although I know that PA will be in my systems when I install wheezy but nothing I will do on purpose. That said, I guess the integration of PA with KDE will be better with the latest versions and Sid should be now at 4.8 thus troubles with PA should be less. Regarding your question of keeping PA or not I would give it a chance, read the official docs¹ and if nothing helps to alleviate the cranky- underwater sound and problems persist I would then reconsider my decision. KDE users can be considered lucky if PA is not a hard dependency for them :-) ¹http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Desktops/KDE Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ju6k79$d1g$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:20 +, Camaleón wrote: I'm very happy with the old ESD And you can be happy for good reasons! However, IIRC for KDE it was aRts and it never caused issues for my jack orientated workflow and pro-audio cards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342626099.1261.85.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:41:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:20 +, Camaleón wrote: I'm very happy with the old ESD And you can be happy for good reasons! However, IIRC for KDE it was aRts and it never caused issues for my jack orientated workflow and pro-audio cards. aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ju6mch$d1g$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 schrieb Brad Alexander: Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Oh boy. You got me started. Beware, I tried to stay calm, but I had difficult times with Pulseaudio already… rant I nuked it. On everyone on of my laptops. I got lots of problems less. At some point I was tired of dealing with: - 1-2 seconds latency with VLC playing back an DVD, video started and I had 1-2 seconds until I heard sound. - usb_set_interface failed log spam and not detecting my Sonica Theater USB Audio sound card - having to use system mode to be able to have Amarok playback on one KDE session while using another KDE session - having to deal with one extra layer to look when I do not hear anything for some odd reason I reported most of these to the Pulseaudio discuss mailing list and also to the bug tracker. But thats about it. No fixes so far and in some cases no fixes intended. My use case has been considered to be unimportant enough to support officially. So thanks, I am through with it. /rant Using ALSA with dmix things are not perfect, but so much better than before. Only multi session stuff has some issue and USB Sonica Theater is initialized to have volume only on one channel (left or right) rather than on both, but thats about it. I think I will retry PulseAudio. Cause I had this with Network Manager as well. I went to some apt-get install / rantapt-get totallypurgethiscrap/rant session with it, until version 0.9 and since then all is good. And I use systemd already and it works. So why shouldn´t Pulseaudio work some day – unless my uses cases will be considered not be supported for any time going. Thing is with audio and network stuff: I want this stuff to just work. When I want to listen to audio I want to have it play, like my fine new used Kenwood CD player. I don´t want to discuss with the machine to have my meditative music or whatnot. So no to Pulseaudio for me for now. Regards, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207182148.14085.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: Regarding your question of keeping PA or not I would give it a chance, read the official docs¹ and if nothing helps to alleviate the cranky- underwater sound and problems persist I would then reconsider my decision. KDE users can be considered lucky if PA is not a hard dependency for them It isn´t and thats good. Using plain ALSA with Phonon-VLC and my audio world is comfortable for me again. After a long struggle. See my other mail. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207182150.32698.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 schrieb Camaleón: On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:20 +, Camaleón wrote: I'm very happy with the old ESD And you can be happy for good reasons! However, IIRC for KDE it was aRts and it never caused issues for my jack orientated workflow and pro-audio cards. aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. I wish - jitter-free (no audio drops) - no hearable latency - works as drop-in just like before - works as reliable as before without any single configuration needed. Thats about it. But even with rtkit installed, I had sound drops on my ThinkPad T23 upto a 30 seconds. Granted there are aged BTRFS filesystems on it and Amarok 2 takes its share of CPU as well, but the CPU is not at 100% and without Pulseaudio these long audio drops are just gone for good. At some time I decided that I do not want to configure anything to just be able to hear sound clearly, nicely, without latencies and drops! Heck, even my Amiga 500 was able to do that. Sure not with MPEG3, but it could play audio without drops. And that mentioned VLC 1-2 second latency between video and audio was on a ThinkPad T520 with Intel i5 Sandybridge - rtkit installed and working of course as well. That machine is so blazingly fast that it cannot have any hearable audio latencies. And also here by removing Pulseaudio this latencies has gone for good. So if removing software fixes my problems more easily than trying to adapt it to my needs, then by all means at some point I remove it. And I tried to cope with it for quite some time before. I know it can be different on any other machine than my machines and for those that are satisfied with Pulseaudio by all means use it. I do think I will wait half a hear or even longer before I try again. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201207182157.41875.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:57:58 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: (...) So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Ask yourself if you really need PA in your system. I'm just as happy using straight alsa and building a dummy package. However, two things that come to mind are a) what happens when/if pa becomes the standard and b) are there any interesting things I can do with it (e.g. multiplexing/balancing sound). If I can do b) without PA, so much the better. I'm thinking worst case, jack, but that didn't have a lot of docs, last time I checked. I'm very happy with the old ESD and still have not found a hard requirement for using a different sound server although I know that PA will be in my systems when I install wheezy but nothing I will do on purpose. That said, I guess the integration of PA with KDE will be better with the latest versions and Sid should be now at 4.8 thus troubles with PA should be less. This is what I thought when I did the reinstall of Debian. However, it appears not to be the case. Regarding your question of keeping PA or not I would give it a chance, read the official docs¹ and if nothing helps to alleviate the cranky- underwater sound and problems persist I would then reconsider my decision. KDE users can be considered lucky if PA is not a hard dependency for them :-) ¹http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Desktops/KDE Thanks, Camaleón. I will go read this. Right now, I'm leaning toward pulling PA and putting a dummy package in place. Again, being a future requirement is still a concern, since generally, my Debian installs have a life expectancy of 5-7 yrs. Thanks, --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakmzw+bjg78xtteaejb0vjtbkcxpe8pkqw5h9ua8kylhh_u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
2012/7/18 Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com I need an opinion here. I had a 5 year old, lovingly upgraded workstation with 32-bit sid up until I upgraded my hardware. I did a nuke and pave and reinstalled amd64 sid. Sometime along the line, pulseaudio was installed, which broke sound on the old setup. Through my reading, it appeared that pulse behaved better when installed with a clean install. (the old one was about 5 years old.) So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Opinions and experiences requested and welcome. Thanks, --b Have a try with ALSA+Jack (qjackctl gui) and use vlc phonon backend for KDE4 (gstreamer backend really sucks IMHO). If you plan to use non-alsa compliant applications some tweaks may be needed but it's worth trying. -- No need to remove PA, just stop it. -- 0.02€ regards -raffaele -- *L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale. (V. Evangelisti) *
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:57 +, Camaleón wrote: aRts was ESD's counterpart in KDE, IIRC. Anyway, we deserve the price to pay (PA can be complex to setup) for having a full-featured and advanced sound server with interesting capabilities regardless we use all of the features or not. The sound server issue becomes more annoying with each day. Currently it's hip to use Jack with DBus support, a PITA regarding to my needs. I wonder how newbies should be able to handle all this stuff. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342675759.1279.25.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Martin, high five :)! If PA is a help, people should use it, if it cause an issue, they shouldn't try to fix it, but getting rid of it. IMO it's not worth to waste time with setting up PA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342676194.1279.28.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:53 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote: I'm just as happy using straight alsa and building a dummy package. I'm a dummy(-package-builder) too, since it's more comfortable, than to rebuild some stuff without PA dependencies, which is possible too. However, here's the instruction how to build a dummy package for Debian based distros: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342676480.1279.32.camel@localhost.localdomain
To pulse or not to pulse?
I need an opinion here. I had a 5 year old, lovingly upgraded workstation with 32-bit sid up until I upgraded my hardware. I did a nuke and pave and reinstalled amd64 sid. Sometime along the line, pulseaudio was installed, which broke sound on the old setup. Through my reading, it appeared that pulse behaved better when installed with a clean install. (the old one was about 5 years old.) So I tried to like pulse, tried to get along with it, but I'm having a really hard time with it. I am running sid with kde 4.x, and, to give one example (there are several I have noticed), when playing music with Amarok, every time a screen issue happens (e.g. when the screen saver kicks in, or when the track changes and Amarok kicks up a dialog with the name/artist of the next track, the sound goes wonky and sounds like it is underwater. Sometimes this will clear up on its own after a few minutes, but other times it doesn't or I want it fixed immediately...Then I can slide the master volume down and back up in kmix (sometimes it takes twice). Very frustrating. Now, I did a little research a couple of weeks ago, and found on the Ubuntu wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/) that they recommend installing several extra pulse-related packages. Is it worth it? Will it fix my problems? Or is it not worth the effort and should I just nuke pulse from orbit? (It's the only way to be sure...) Opinions and experiences requested and welcome. Thanks, --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+Y=8+3x0bw9m7mqleghdddvgpncvkbtlehmcj6jyxr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To pulse or not to pulse?
Do you need the advantages of PA for anything? If not, nuke it! However, why don't you simply test what happens, if you install PA extension packages? Regarding to media players such as Amarok I'm tired, sometimes I prefer Audacity, Ardour etc. for consuming audio. Yep, no play list etc., OTOH less pain regarding to strange issues. Of course, it's software I need for other usages, so it's installed and I don't have PA on any of my Linux installed. In case of doubt IMO you should drop PA. 2 Cents, Ralf -- I wasn't aware that he died in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._L._Burnside -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342572166.1912.32.camel@localhost.localdomain
