Re: Tool that monitor time connection
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:33:50 -0400 (EDT), Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-19 15:47, Stephen Powell wrote: ... Client side or server side, there's no persisting connection between the client and the server; so you can't measure elapsed times. You can, in theory at least, make a list of which pages were served up, and when. But you cannot easily determine how much elapsed time was spent on a particular site. You don't know if that page which was served up at 8 AM was being looked at for 8 seconds, 8 minutes, or 8 hours. It would be interesting to see how long it takes for all server(s) to completely respond with all the tags on a page, but that would have to be integrated into the browser itself. The original poster did not explicitly state it, but this kind of question usually comes up in the context of employers trying to determine how much time an employeee spends visiting sites which do not appear to be work-related. And although this is not the answer they want to hear, it's impossible to tell. You can make a list of which web pages were hit and at what time, but you can't determine how much time was spent on a particular site. -- .''`. Stephen Powellzlinux...@wowway.com : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/335532419.20469911269097828240.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Tool that monitor time connection
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: ... The original poster did not explicitly state it, but this kind of question usually comes up in the context of employers trying to determine how much time an employeee spends visiting sites which do not appear to be work-related. And although this is not the answer they want to hear, it's impossible to tell. You can make a list of which web pages were hit and at what time, but you can't determine how much time was spent on a particular site. The question comes up often for the website producers, who want to know how 'sticky' their sites are, i.e., how long they retain people's attention, or how interested people are in the content that they find at the site. This is really quite an important question for those who want to maximize their websites' attractiveness to browsers. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100320220003.4f5f1a41.cele...@gmail.com
Tool that monitor time connection
Hello everybody! Is there any tool for debian, that can monitor time connections of host with webpages or domains? Any advices are welcome. Krzysztof -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba3ccbf.4070...@op.pl
Re: Tool that monitor time connection
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT), Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote: Is there any tool for debian, that can monitor time connections of host with webpages or domains? I'm not sure what you're asking. It sounds to me like you want some tool on the server side, such as apache, that will keep track of how long a client user was staring at a web page that you served up. Is that right? Or did I misunderstand the question? I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert, but I don't think this can be done. That's because there is no open connection. Once the web server has delivered the page to the browser, the connection is closed. The user can stare at that page for one second, one minute, one hour, one year, etc. The server doesn't know. That's why web developers use things like cookies to keep track of states. That's why add sellers charge by the hit or the click. Of course, if the web page contains a java applet, the rules are a bit different. The java applet can request a new add every 60 seconds, or something like that. But that's done from the client side. On the server side, it serves up the page and then forgets about you. On the server side, you keep track of hits, not connection times. -- .''`. Stephen Powellzlinux...@wowway.com : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/148739459.20356411269028827637.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Tool that monitor time connection
Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT), Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote: Is there any tool for debian, that can monitor time connections of host with webpages or domains? I'm not sure what you're asking. It sounds to me like you want some tool on the server side, such as apache, that will keep track of how long a client user was staring at a web page that you served up. Is that right? Or did I misunderstand the question? I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert, but I don't think this can be done. That's because there is no open connection. Once the web server has delivered the page to the browser, the connection is closed. The user can stare at that page for one second, one minute, one hour, one year, etc. The server doesn't know. That's why web developers use things like cookies to keep track of states. That's why add sellers charge by the hit or the click. Of course, if the web page contains a java applet, the rules are a bit different. The java applet can request a new add every 60 seconds, or something like that. But that's done from the client side. On the server side, it serves up the page and then forgets about you. On the server side, you keep track of hits, not connection times. Not exactly, but thank you for your reply. After all I learned something new from you. I thought about tool on the client side, something like history in a browser (or vnstat tool), but with time connection. Something that I can access via SSH and execute. Krzysztof -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba3db71.1020...@op.pl
Re: Tool that monitor time connection
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:15:45 -0400 (EDT), Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT), Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote: Is there any tool for debian, that can monitor time connections of host with webpages or domains? I'm not sure what you're asking. It sounds to me like you want some tool on the server side, such as apache, that will keep track of how long a client user was staring at a web page that you served up. Is that right? ... Not exactly, but thank you for your reply. After all I learned something new from you. I thought about tool on the client side, something like history in a browser (or vnstat tool), but with time connection. Something that I can access via SSH and execute. Client side or server side, there's no persisting connection between the client and the server; so you can't measure elapsed times. You can, in theory at least, make a list of which pages were served up, and when. But you cannot easily determine how much elapsed time was spent on a particular site. You don't know if that page which was served up at 8 AM was being looked at for 8 seconds, 8 minutes, or 8 hours. -- .''`. Stephen Powellzlinux...@wowway.com : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1126383366.20367061269031654310.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Tool that monitor time connection
Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:15:45 -0400 (EDT), Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:13:03 -0400 (EDT), Krzysztof Walkiewicz wrote: Is there any tool for debian, that can monitor time connections of host with webpages or domains? I'm not sure what you're asking. It sounds to me like you want some tool on the server side, such as apache, that will keep track of how long a client user was staring at a web page that you served up. Is that right? ... Not exactly, but thank you for your reply. After all I learned something new from you. I thought about tool on the client side, something like history in a browser (or vnstat tool), but with time connection. Something that I can access via SSH and execute. Client side or server side, there's no persisting connection between the client and the server; so you can't measure elapsed times. You can, in theory at least, make a list of which pages were served up, and when. But you cannot easily determine how much elapsed time was spent on a particular site. You don't know if that page which was served up at 8 AM was being looked at for 8 seconds, 8 minutes, or 8 hours. Thanks a lot. That is clear. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba3e3ac.8080...@op.pl
Re: Tool that monitor time connection
On 2010-03-19 15:47, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] Client side or server side, there's no persisting connection between the client and the server; so you can't measure elapsed times. You can, in theory at least, make a list of which pages were served up, and when. But you cannot easily determine how much elapsed time was spent on a particular site. You don't know if that page which was served up at 8 AM was being looked at for 8 seconds, 8 minutes, or 8 hours. It would be interesting to see how long it takes for all server(s) to completely respond with all the tags on a page, but that would have to be integrated into the browser itself. -- Obsession with preserving cultural heritage is a racist impediment to moral, physical and intellectual progress. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ba3edbe.7040...@cox.net
