Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On Ma, 15 iun 10, 21:13:11, ABSDoug wrote: > If this isn't on topic, sorry ahead of time & perhaps you can point me in the > right place? > > I've been reading up on having a separate partition for your /home > files. For quite some time, I've been using a ntfs partition named > "storage" as it makes re-install or fresh install of OS much easier. Yep. > While it's WAY neat that two different distros of Linux can share > the /home partition, I still need MS at times. I figure I can't be the > only one, but after looking on the net, I couldn't decide the best > way. I could use Linux to pull files off of the MS XP ntfs partition > easy enough, but it seems cheesy. All the options to allow XP to see > the Linux partition have permission issues as well as hidden > extensions that can't be hidden. Dangerous trumps cheesy. It would > seem grabbing what I need in XP partition from within Linux is the > answer... is there something I've overlooked? I'm gunna get into > virtualization at some point, but I'm just not ready to nuke XP, there > are times it's the only thing I can get to work (like my Netbook > internal 3G) If this is a single-user system it should be enough to have all the shared data on the NTFS partition and have a line like this in fstab: LABEL=storage /home/abs/storage ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=113,dmask=002,users 0 (labels are safer than device names and I assumed abs is your username) The uid= and gid= parameters should match your uid and gid. Use 'id' to find them out (most probably 1000). Also make sure you install the package ntfs-3g. For the other parameters see 'man mount'. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Symlinks (was Re: Triple boot with MS XP)
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/16/2010 10:03 PM, ABSDoug wrote: >> >> --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> > Symlink the NTFS iTunes directory to some place under >> > $HOME. >> >> I've never heard this term "Symlink". I'm off to Google, but if you care >> to elaborate, please feel free! > > (That's the way for a newbie to engender cooperation.) > > +1 I suppose I should apologise to the Debian community for my use of the F-bomb-dropped-"reprimand". . . I do. (However, I wonder the extent to which debian-users@ members are willing to be insulted by folks who blatently abuse them.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik0tyddjrw8ped8siqt3znnu_mczbqpcq1hl...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, ABSDoug wrote: > I've never heard this term "Symlink". I'm off to Google, but if you care to > elaborate, please feel free! > i didn't notice that you are not familiar with the symbolic link solution. actually, it's the simplest way. i should have mentioned it in the first place. $ man ln and you'll have a rough idea about it. let's say you winxp "C:" partition is mounted to "/media/xp" . and the iTunes dir being sth like "c:\document and settings\user\...\iTunes" . to link it to somewhere under \home, you do $ ln -s "/media/xp/document and settings\user\...\iTunes" "$HOME/path/to/your/destination" such links are frequently used to share config files. you can make symlinks between files or dirs. be careful about the trailing slash. it's the same set of rules with mv and cp. there's also a "--bind / --move" option for mount (check out the man page) but symbolic links are totally enough for your case. Tao -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim5h428ia_yaicchucpk5bkdornfr7w48xja...@mail.gmail.com
Symlinks (was Re: Triple boot with MS XP)
On 06/16/2010 10:03 PM, ABSDoug wrote: --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: > Symlink the NTFS iTunes directory to some place under > $HOME. I've never heard this term "Symlink". I'm off to Google, but if you care to elaborate, please feel free! (That's the way for a newbie to engender cooperation.) (Symbolic links are just about the single coolest feature of Unix-style file systems, and are just about everywhere in /etc, /usr, /var, ...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link The name just about says it all: a *symbolic* link from one file to another. For example: $ df /mnt/windows Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 36138212 19393344 16744868 54% /mnt/windows $ ls -1 /mnt/windows/"Documents and Settings" All Users anabelle Compaq_Owner Default User Heather ian LocalService NetworkService Ron Ron Sr $ ln -sf /mnt/windows/"Documents and Settings"/Ron/"My Documents" \ Windows_Docs $ ls -aFl Windows_Docs lrwxrwxrwx 1 ron ron 52 Jun 16 22:47 Windows_Docs -> \ /mnt/windows/Documents and Settings/Ron/My Documents/ $ ls -aFl Windows_Docs/ total 13 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Nov 29 2007 ./ drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 May 17 2006 ../ -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 74 Nov 29 2007 desktop.ini* drwxrwxrwx 1 root root0 Nov 29 2007 My Music/ drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Nov 29 2007 My Pictures/ drwxrwxrwx 1 root root0 Dec 13 2005 My Videos/ -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c199b9f@cox.net
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: > Gmail doesn't seem to suffer the non-wrapping problem. I'll go subscribe right now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/27333.6528...@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: > Symlink the NTFS iTunes directory to some place under > $HOME. I've never heard this term "Symlink". I'm off to Google, but if you care to elaborate, please feel free!
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On 06/16/2010 07:16 PM, ABSDoug wrote: [snip] He's right& it was on my to do list. I just went over to settings, I couldn't find anything to fix it. SO annoying. I looked at GMail, didn't see setting for this either. I like doing E-mail off the web, but that might have to change. Gmail doesn't seem to suffer the non-wrapping problem. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c196ccd.7000...@cox.net
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On 06/16/2010 07:10 PM, ABSDoug wrote: --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Huang, Tao wrote: [snip] The main reason I'd like access for XP is iTunes for my iPhone. Seems silly to have 16GB of information repeated for XP& Linux /home. Symlink the NTFS iTunes directory to some place under $HOME. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c196a87.90...@cox.net
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: > No sane person would. If you *do* treat "storage" as > /home, then > You're Doing It Wrong. The main reason I'd do this is access for XP, iTunes for my iPhone. Seems silly to have 16GB of information repeated for an XP & Linux /home. So right now my /home folders are all empty & this "Storage" partition holds what would go in /home. I'm not sure one's sanity comes into question here...? > What you do a bad job of is using Yahoo, somehow blasting > the thread > model, and not word wrapping. I lay most of the blame > on Yahoo. He's right & it was on my to do list. I just went over to settings, I couldn't find anything to fix it. SO annoying. I looked at GMail, didn't see setting for this either. I like doing E-mail off the web, but that might have to change. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/481745.29703...@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Huang, Tao wrote: <<< why do you need to access the /home partition when using winxp? ntfs doesn't support POXIS file ownership and permissions natively. so keep you /home partition to a linux filesystem. you can have a separate storage partition for shared documents and files, mount it to the /home hierarchy or somewhere else, and access it with each of your installed os. >>> Thanks for you advice, I'm going to explore these options. The main reason I'd like access for XP is iTunes for my iPhone. Seems silly to have 16GB of information repeated for XP & Linux /home. > btw, what's keeping you from moving your winxp into virtualization? Video games mostly. But I don't play that often. I've got a computer I'm about to put together as Linux only, so I'm sure I'll start virtualization with it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/581617.24596...@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 09:13:11PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote: > If this isn't on topic, sorry ahead of time & perhaps you can point me in the > right place? > > I've been reading up on having a separate partition for your /home files. For > quite some time, I've been using a ntfs partition named "storage" as it makes > re-install or fresh install of OS much easier. While it's WAY neat that > two different distros of Linux can share the /home partition, I still need MS > at times. I figure I can't be the only one, but after looking on the net, I > couldn't decide the best way. I could use Linux to pull files off of the MS > XP ntfs partition easy enough, but it seems cheesy. All the options to allow > XP to see the Linux partition have permission issues as well as hidden > extensions that can't be hidden. Dangerous trumps cheesy. It would seem > grabbing what I need in XP partition from within Linux is the answer... is > there something I've overlooked? I'm gunna get into virtualization at some > point, but I'm just not ready to nuke XP, there are times it's the only thing > I can get to work (like my Netbook internal 3G) > For virtualization, check out virtualbox-ose. It will run Windows XP just fine from your Debian system. Backports.org has a much newer version than what is in the standard Lenny repositories. There are Windows drivers available to access ext2 partitions (and maybe ext3 partitions), but I have never used them. I only know they exist. For my parents, who dual boot XP and Ubuntu, I set up a separate FAT32 partition. It is readable/writable by both Windows and Linux. Accessing an NTFS drive from Linux seems pretty safe these days, even if most of the drivers for doing so are loaded with caution statements. My preference is to not let /home be writable by Windows. Windows is likely to get malware, so I'd rather limit what it can access in terms of my files. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100616221308.ga30...@aurora.owens.net
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:34 PM, ABSDoug wrote: > Cheesy that I wouldn't just write straight to the partition with /home files, > from XP. The way I have it setup now, info is stored on a ntfs named > "storage", any OS can read/write. That said, I don't really use XP that much > anyway. > why do you need to access the /home partition when using winxp? ntfs doesn't support POXIS file ownership and permissions natively. so keep you /home partition to a linux filesystem. you can have a separate storage partition for shared documents and files, mount it to the /home hierarchy or somewhere else, and access it with each of your installed os. btw, what's keeping you from moving your winxp into virtualization? Regards, Tao -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktil1jgwlnbljqkhszrm0x1f9lzw8hd-wipc9s...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On 06/16/2010 01:34 AM, ABSDoug wrote: --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: To do what, exactly? Access files or triple boot? Sorry, I'm triple booting now, I'm planning on changing /home file to their own partition. Triple booting and creating a /home partition are orthogonal tasks. What's so cheesy about it? Cheesy that I wouldn't just write straight to the partition with /home files, from XP. The way I have it setup now, info is stored on a ntfs named "storage", any OS can read/write. That said, I don't really use XP that much anyway. No sane person would. If you *do* treat "storage" as /home, then You're Doing It Wrong. Not unless there's something you aren't telling us. Like how your Subject doesn't seem to match the contents of your post. Should I rename the thread? Sorry if I did a bad job on the subject. What you do a bad job of is using Yahoo, somehow blasting the thread model, and not word wrapping. I lay most of the blame on Yahoo. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1872ab.4020...@cox.net
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Ron Johnson wrote: > To do what, exactly? Access files or triple boot? Sorry, I'm triple booting now, I'm planning on changing /home file to their own partition. > What's so cheesy about it? Cheesy that I wouldn't just write straight to the partition with /home files, from XP. The way I have it setup now, info is stored on a ntfs named "storage", any OS can read/write. That said, I don't really use XP that much anyway. > Not unless there's something you aren't telling us. > Like how your Subject doesn't seem to match the contents of > your post. Should I rename the thread? Sorry if I did a bad job on the subject. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/872595.66678...@web52001.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: Triple boot with MS XP
On 06/15/2010 11:13 PM, ABSDoug wrote: If this isn't on topic, sorry ahead of time& perhaps you > can point me in the right place? I've been reading up on having a separate partition for your /home files. For quite some time, I've been using a ntfs partition > named "storage" as it makes re-install or fresh install of OS > much easier. While it's WAY neat that two different distros > of Linux can share the /home partition, I still need MS at times. As do many of us. > I figure I can't be the only one, but after looking on the net, > I couldn't decide the best way. To do what, exactly? Access files or triple boot? I could use Linux to pull files > off of the MS XP ntfs partition easy enough, but it seems cheesy. What's so cheesy about it? > All the options to allow XP to see the Linux partition have > permission issues as well as hidden extensions that can't be hidden. > Dangerous trumps cheesy. It would seem grabbing what I need in > XP partition from within Linux is the answer... is there something > I've overlooked? Not unless there's something you aren't telling us. Like how your Subject doesn't seem to match the contents of your post. I'm gunna get into virtualization at some point, > but I'm just not ready to nuke XP, there are times it's the only > thing I can get to work (like my Netbook internal 3G) -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1852cc.60...@cox.net
Triple boot with MS XP
If this isn't on topic, sorry ahead of time & perhaps you can point me in the right place? I've been reading up on having a separate partition for your /home files. For quite some time, I've been using a ntfs partition named "storage" as it makes re-install or fresh install of OS much easier. While it's WAY neat that two different distros of Linux can share the /home partition, I still need MS at times. I figure I can't be the only one, but after looking on the net, I couldn't decide the best way. I could use Linux to pull files off of the MS XP ntfs partition easy enough, but it seems cheesy. All the options to allow XP to see the Linux partition have permission issues as well as hidden extensions that can't be hidden. Dangerous trumps cheesy. It would seem grabbing what I need in XP partition from within Linux is the answer... is there something I've overlooked? I'm gunna get into virtualization at some point, but I'm just not ready to nuke XP, there are times it's the only thing I can get to work (like my Netbook internal 3G) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/865927.6761...@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com
