Re: Two questions as I prepare for a new install
On Wed 09 Dec 2020 at 19:10:53 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 06:06:43PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:00:54 + Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) > > > regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the > > > testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and > > > then upgrading? > > > > In general, you are better off installing new rather than upgrading. > > Installing new means less Buster cruft on your system compared to > > upgrading buster. Upgrading is a PITA. Why install and then upgrade > > when installing will get you what you want? > > Thanks, great to know -- but just for the record that didn't use to be > the advice -- I'm sure a search through the archives of this list will > show times when people advised that the way to install testing was to > install stable and then upgrade. Well, it does seem reasonable that every time a new release comes out, advice will revert to "use the stable installer and upgrade". To be fair, people's old advice remains on the archives for ever, whether or not it's appropriate for the present time. > That sounded like a faff, for exactly > the reasons you mentioned, hence why I asked -- was hoping I'd get the > answer you gave! One might hope that a 3-day-old version of the d-i can make a reasonable success of installing bullseye. After all, we're now only a few months out from its release. Cheers, David.
Re: Two questions as I prepare for a new install
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:10:53 + Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 06:06:43PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:00:54 + > > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) > > > regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the > > > testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and > > > then upgrading? > > > > In general, you are better off installing new rather than upgrading. > > Installing new means less Buster cruft on your system compared to > > upgrading buster. Upgrading is a PITA. Why install and then upgrade > > when installing will get you what you want? > > > > Thanks, great to know -- but just for the record that didn't use to > be the advice -- I'm sure a search through the archives of this list > will show times when people advised that the way to install testing > was to install stable and then upgrade. That sounded like a faff, for > exactly the reasons you mentioned, hence why I asked -- was hoping > I'd get the answer you gave! There's a big difference between upgrading a fresh installation of stable, and one that's a couple of years old and has picked up some cruft. There's an even bigger difference between upgrading a fresh, *minimal* installation of stable before adding the desired applications, and upgrading one packed with applications, any of which may have issues when upgraded. I've never had problems upgrading a new, very minimal stable directly to unstable, something I wouldn't want to do with a well-used, mature stable. And I have recently upgraded a working netbook from stretch to buster, which was a sort of trial run to doing it on my server. The test served its purpose, I won't be upgrading the server. > > Anyone have any thoughts on the second question I asked? > No, currently on AMD and Intel. -- Joe
Re: Two questions as I prepare for a new install
On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 06:06:43PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:00:54 + > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) > > regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the > > testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and > > then upgrading? > > In general, you are better off installing new rather than upgrading. > Installing new means less Buster cruft on your system compared to > upgrading buster. Upgrading is a PITA. Why install and then upgrade > when installing will get you what you want? > Thanks, great to know -- but just for the record that didn't use to be the advice -- I'm sure a search through the archives of this list will show times when people advised that the way to install testing was to install stable and then upgrade. That sounded like a faff, for exactly the reasons you mentioned, hence why I asked -- was hoping I'd get the answer you gave! Anyone have any thoughts on the second question I asked? Thanks Mark
Re: Two questions as I prepare for a new install
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 11:48 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 07 dec 20, 18:06:43, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:00:54 + > > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) > > > regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the > > > testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and > > > then upgrading? > > > > In general, you are better off installing new rather than > > upgrading. > > Installing new means less Buster cruft on your system compared to > > upgrading buster. Upgrading is a PITA. Why install and then upgrade > > when installing will get you what you want? > > Besides, the installer needs some testing as well ;) > > Anyway, the alpha 3 bullseye installer seems to be in pretty good > shape. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/12/msg1.html That's what I plan on using when my xmas present to myself arrives :-) -- Tixy
Re: Two questions as I prepare for a new install
On Lu, 07 dec 20, 18:06:43, Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:00:54 + > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) > > regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the > > testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and > > then upgrading? > > In general, you are better off installing new rather than upgrading. > Installing new means less Buster cruft on your system compared to > upgrading buster. Upgrading is a PITA. Why install and then upgrade > when installing will get you what you want? Besides, the installer needs some testing as well ;) Anyway, the alpha 3 bullseye installer seems to be in pretty good shape. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/12/msg1.html Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Two questions as I prepare for a new install
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 00:00:54 + Mark Fletcher wrote: > 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) > regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the > testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and > then upgrading? In general, you are better off installing new rather than upgrading. Installing new means less Buster cruft on your system compared to upgrading buster. Upgrading is a PITA. Why install and then upgrade when installing will get you what you want? -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Two questions as I prepare for a new install
Hello list I am currently amassing the hardware for a new PC build as a Christmas present to myself, and plan to install Bullseye on it when the hardware is all here. My current system runs Buster and I thought it would be interesting to see what's coming. I have two questions: 1. Does anyone have any advice (or a link to offcial advice) regarding whether a new bullseye install is better done with the testing installer at this time, or by first installing buster and then upgrading? 2. My new graphics card is a ASUS-branded nVidia GeForce RTX-2060, which means I get to move back to the core non-legacy nVidia driver instead of the legacy-legacy one I have been forced to use for some years on my old system due to the hardware being 11 years old. Yay... EXCEPT I have read hints there is a problem with the up-to-date nVidia driver and recent kernels. Does that affect Bullseye? Are there caveats or workarounds I should be aware of? Either direct answers or links to places that answer these would be appreciated -- I've been a bit out of the loop recently and suspect I've missed a few developments. Thanks Mark
