Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
Phil Requirements wrote: On 2010-09-10 18:56:03 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Phil Requirements wrote: ... GNU/Linux has an *improved* method of inputting these special characters. In Windows, you have to memorize these four digit codes that don't mean anything. In GNU/Linux, I memorize two-letter codes that actually hint at the meaning. On the other hand, a method based on hexadecimal character codes can handle a lot more characters than you can memorize two-key combinations for, and ... [you] can use standard Unicode code point numbers for characters (which are also used in HTML, [etc.]). the character in those other places; learning a hex code would.) I agree with your point that the ability to enter hex codes would be portable in a certain way. However, they are not mnemonic at all, and are difficult to memorize. I was trying to address the very specific problem the original poster had laid out. He had certain characters that he needed frequently, which he had memorized the decimal ASCII code for. In that situation (an average user who needs to enter some special characters now and then) I still think that the two-letter mnemonic codes are an improvement over memorizing decimal ASCII codes. It's a good and valid point about working with Unicode codes. But my email that you are quoting was written on a simpler level than that. I didn't mean that GNU/Linux isn't improved because it adds the composition method (or that the composition is an improvement in many cases). I just meant to point out that it wouldn't clearly be an improvement if Linux(/GTK/X11/etc.) had also dropped the numeric entry method. (I'm thinking of when Macintoshes first came out--they added (relative to typical computers of the day) the mouse, which was a big improvement in most cases, but they dumbly dropped the left and right arrow keys. That combination definitely was _not_ an improvement in cases such as correcting a typo a couple of characters back from the text cursor.) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c924577.2050...@fgm.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On 2010-09-16 12:27:35 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Phil Requirements wrote: On 2010-09-10 18:56:03 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Phil Requirements wrote: ... GNU/Linux has an *improved* method of inputting these special characters. In Windows, you have to memorize these four digit codes that don't mean anything. In GNU/Linux, I memorize two-letter codes that actually hint at the meaning. On the other hand, a method based on hexadecimal character codes can handle a lot more characters than you can memorize two-key combinations for, and ... [you] can use standard Unicode code point numbers for characters (which are also used in HTML, [etc.]). the character in those other places; learning a hex code would.) I agree with your point that the ability to enter hex codes would be portable in a certain way. However, they are not mnemonic at all, and are difficult to memorize. I was trying to address the very specific problem the original poster had laid out. He had certain characters that he needed frequently, which he had memorized the decimal ASCII code for. In that situation (an average user who needs to enter some special characters now and then) I still think that the two-letter mnemonic codes are an improvement over memorizing decimal ASCII codes. I didn't mean that GNU/Linux isn't improved because it adds the composition method (or that the composition is an improvement in many cases). I just meant to point out that it wouldn't clearly be an improvement if Linux(/GTK/X11/etc.) had also dropped the numeric entry method. (I'm thinking of when Macintoshes first came out--they added (relative to typical computers of the day) the mouse, which was a big improvement in most cases, but they dumbly dropped the left and right arrow keys. That combination definitely was _not_ an improvement in cases such as correcting a typo a couple of characters back from the text cursor.) Daniel Daniel, I see what you mean, that it's good to have multiple input methods, depending on what the user is accustomed to. Definitely agree. One small point worth noting is that the traditional Windows method of inputting special characters, going way back for decades, was to enter the *decimal* ASCII code. So even though GNU/Linux has a method for entering hex Unicode code points, a migrating user still has to learn new tricks (convert decimal to hex, or memorize new hex codes). Windows does have a way to enter Unicode code points, but I haven't used it. I think it's safe to say that most Windows users with this problem are accustomed to *decimal* ASCII codes. Phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100916202421.ga3...@kasploosh.net
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:56:03 -0400 Daniel Barclay dan...@fgm.com wrote: ... (From Celejar(?)'s Control-Shift-U comment, it sounds like Linux does provide both types of methods.) Yes, it does. For the archives: Compose key: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html GTK ctrl-shift methods - I can't find the official documentation, but these comments from the source code are floating around the web: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2005-September/msg1.html Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100914201925.b2671b6d.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On 2010-09-10 18:56:03 -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: Phil Requirements wrote: ... GNU/Linux has an *improved* method of inputting these special characters. In Windows, you have to memorize these four digit codes that don't mean anything. In GNU/Linux, I memorize two-letter codes that actually hint at the meaning. On the other hand, a method based on hexadecimal character codes can handle a lot more characters than you can memorize two-key combinations for, and instead of using keyboard-layout-specific combinations, can use standard Unicode code point numbers for characters (which are also used in HTML, XML, JavaScript, Java, Ruby I think, and who know where else). (That is, learning learning a multi-key compose combination for a character won't help you when you want to enter the encoded form of the character in those other places; learning a hex code would.) I agree with your point that the ability to enter hex codes would be portable in a certain way. However, they are not mnemonic at all, and are difficult to memorize. I was trying to address the very specific problem the original poster had laid out. He had certain characters that he needed frequently, which he had memorized the decimal ASCII code for. In that situation (an average user who needs to enter some special characters now and then) I still think that the two-letter mnemonic codes are an improvement over memorizing decimal ASCII codes. It's a good and valid point about working with Unicode codes. But my email that you are quoting was written on a simpler level than that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100915045804.ga3...@kasploosh.net
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
Phil Requirements wrote: ... GNU/Linux has an *improved* method of inputting these special characters. In Windows, you have to memorize these four digit codes that don't mean anything. In GNU/Linux, I memorize two-letter codes that actually hint at the meaning. On the other hand, a method based on hexadecimal character codes can handle a lot more characters than you can memorize two-key combinations for, and instead of using keyboard-layout-specific combinations, can use standard Unicode code point numbers for characters (which are also used in HTML, XML, JavaScript, Java, Ruby I think, and who know where else). (That is, learning learning a multi-key compose combination for a character won't help you when you want to enter the encoded form of the character in those other places; learning a hex code would.) An improvment over Windows would be giving you _both_ types of methods. (Then you can use the composition method for, say, common characters, and can still use the numeric method when you need to.) (From Celejar(?)'s Control-Shift-U comment, it sounds like Linux does provide both types of methods.) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c8ab783.2080...@fgm.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes: On 9/7/2010 9:34 PM, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:01:11 -0700 Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org wrote: ... Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). As Camaleón has explained, it's really pretty straightforward: press ctrl-shift-u simultaneously, then release all three; you'll see an underlined 'u'. Now enter the hex code for the character, one digit at a time, then press enter when finished. Voila, you'll get the Unicode character! Celejar This question brought up an interesting, and bigger question: In DOS and all versions of Windows, going back to the stone age, you could hold ALT and press 3 digits of the extended (128~255) ASCII table, using the number pad, and get all kinds of foreign and other useful characters. For instance, if you wanted a German ess-tset character, you would hold ALT and push 225, like this: ß. I'm writing this from Win 7, and you can see that it works. It also works in Open Office in the Windows version. Something similar in MS Word--I think Word requires a 0 before the code. As far as I can tell, this does _not_ work in Debian or in PcLinuxOs, the two Lx's I have present access to. Not in plain files like KWrite, and not in Open Office. I don't understand what the above correspondent is getting at (I don't know what Unicode is). How, in plain English, can one get foreign characters in Linux without using an international keyboard? (I assume that works, as the international keyboard is a choice in many distros, under Locale.) Or is it basically just not possible? That is why we were talking about the Compose and AltGr keys. I have a US keyboard and I just press the Compose key followed by s and s to get ß. Similarly, I can press Compose ' and a to get á. The AltGr key will also allow access to alternate values of individual keys by holding down the AltGr key and pressing another key. For the US-international layout, the AltGr-a combination will give á, AltGr-s gives ß, AltGr-/ gives ¿. I am using unicode, but it works for all characters that the charset and locale allow. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87eid4aljj@oak.localnet
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On 2010-09-07 22:44:27 -0400, Doug wrote: In DOS and all versions of Windows, going back to the stone age, you could hold ALT and press 3 digits of the extended (128~255) ASCII table, using the number pad, and get all kinds of foreign and other useful characters. For instance, if you wanted a German ess-tset character, you would hold ALT and push 225, like this: ß. I'm writing this from Win 7, and you can see that it works. It also works in Open Office in the Windows version. Something similar in MS Word--I think Word requires a 0 before the code. As far as I can tell, this does _not_ work in Debian or in PcLinuxOs, the two Lx's I have present access to. Not in plain files like KWrite, and not in Open Office. I don't understand what the above correspondent is getting at (I don't know what Unicode is). How, in plain English, can one get foreign characters in Linux without using an international keyboard? (I assume that works, as the international keyboard is a choice in many distros, under Locale.) Or is it basically just not possible? Doug, It is very much possible to input foreign characters in GNU/Linux. And it's easier than in Windows, though it is *different*. Like you, I was accustomed to the Windows way of inputting special characters. There were several special characters that I always input with 3- or 4-digit codes. ALT+0161, ALT+0181, and ALT+0191 to name a few. Let's say I want an upside down exclamation mark, so I can write ¡Ay de mi! In Windows, you would do something like ALT+0161. In GNU/Linux, I hit the Compose Key, then !, then !. Let's say I want to type mu, so that it looks like this: µ. In Linux, I hit the Compose Key, then m, then u. GNU/Linux has an *improved* method of inputting these special characters. In Windows, you have to memorize these four digit codes that don't mean anything. In GNU/Linux, I memorize two-letter codes that actually hint at the meaning. !! -- ¡ mu -- µ c| -- ¢ e= -- € Y= -- ¥ ss -- ß The thing that worked for me was: 1. Set up a Compose Key (plenty of tutorials online) 2. Learn the simple logical two-letter codes (plenty of docs online) You may already have a Compose Key set up, I wouldn't know. I had to set mine up manually. Getting that done is the hardest part. Learning the codes is easy because they are all common sense. There might be some other ways to get the function you want, but I wanted to tell you what worked for me. I don't know any way to use the actual 4-digit codes that one can use in Windows. In my opinion, the GNU/Linux method is better. If you get this working, it will work in a terminal, in a browser, in KWrite, or whatever else you can think of. Hope this helps, Phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100908060101.ga32...@kasploosh.net
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:47:44 -0700 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org dijo: That is why we were talking about the Compose and AltGr keys. I have a US keyboard and I just press the Compose key followed by s and s to get ß. Similarly, I can press Compose ' and a to get á. The AltGr key will also allow access to alternate values of individual keys by holding down the AltGr key and pressing another key. For the US-international layout, the AltGr-a combination will give á, AltGr-s gives ß, AltGr-/ gives ¿. I am using unicode, but it works for all characters that the charset and locale allow. I have a US keyboard and I do not have an AltGr key. I do have two Alt keys, one on either side of the spacebar, but neither works as you describe. However, in Linux Ctrl-Shift-u plus the unicode value enters any character contained in the font. How did you get a US keyboard with an AltGr key? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100908004327.1c434...@mailhost.pdx.edu
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Wednesday 08 September 2010 03:44:27 Doug wrote: How, in plain English, can one get foreign characters in Linux without using an international keyboard? I use skim; scim, I believe, if you do not have KDE. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201009080852.41702.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On 9/8/2010 2:01 AM, Phil Requirements wrote: On 2010-09-07 22:44:27 -0400, Doug wrote: /snip/ Doug, It is very much possible to input foreign characters in GNU/Linux. And it's easier than in Windows, though it is *different*. Like you, I was accustomed to the Windows way of inputting special characters. There were several special characters that I always input with 3- or 4-digit codes. ALT+0161, ALT+0181, and ALT+0191 to name a few. Let's say I want an upside down exclamation mark, so I can write ¡Ay de mi! In Windows, you would do something like ALT+0161. In GNU/Linux, I hit the Compose Key, then !, then !. Let's say I want to type mu, so that it looks like this: µ. In Linux, I hit the Compose Key, then m, then u. GNU/Linux has an *improved* method of inputting these special characters. In Windows, you have to memorize these four digit codes that don't mean anything. In GNU/Linux, I memorize two-letter codes that actually hint at the meaning. !! -- ¡ mu -- µ c| -- ¢ e= -- € Y= -- ¥ ss -- ß The thing that worked for me was: 1. Set up a Compose Key (plenty of tutorials online) 2. Learn the simple logical two-letter codes (plenty of docs online) You may already have a Compose Key set up, I wouldn't know. I had to set mine up manually. Getting that done is the hardest part. Learning the codes is easy because they are all common sense. There might be some other ways to get the function you want, but I wanted to tell you what worked for me. I don't know any way to use the actual 4-digit codes that one can use in Windows. In my opinion, the GNU/Linux method is better. If you get this working, it will work in a terminal, in a browser, in KWrite, or whatever else you can think of. Hope this helps, Phil Your input is very clear and helpful. I have found a chart of compose key functions, and it looks quite useful. Maybe there's even a way to make Windows use that system! I have been doing a lot of research since this whole topic came up, and I think I know how to make my right ALT key a compose key--in Linux, anyway--but I had the impression that sometimes you need an AltGr key--I forget what for--and apparently that's what the right ALT key does. (I may very well be wrong!) On the IBM k/b, there's also an extra - key on the number pad, that I never use. That could be an AltGr or a compose. I am using Linux (PcLOs on a desktop with an old IBM k/b) and a laptop with a single Microsoft key on the left of the space bar for PcLOs and Debian. I would never give up the IBM k/b's I have on this and the Linux desktop machines. At this point I am open to suggestions, both for the desktop Linux machine and the laptop, which runs XP and the two Linux distros. Thanx--doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c8741f2.3040...@optonline.net
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 00:43, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:47:44 -0700 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org dijo: That is why we were talking about the Compose and AltGr keys. I have a US keyboard and I just press the Compose key followed by s and s to get ß. Similarly, I can press Compose ' and a to get á. The AltGr key will also allow access to alternate values of individual keys by holding down the AltGr key and pressing another key. For the US-international layout, the AltGr-a combination will give á, AltGr-s gives ß, AltGr-/ gives ¿. I am using unicode, but it works for all characters that the charset and locale allow. I have a US keyboard and I do not have an AltGr key. I do have two Alt keys, one on either side of the spacebar, but neither works as you describe. However, in Linux Ctrl-Shift-u plus the unicode value enters any character contained in the font. How did you get a US keyboard with an AltGr key? It is *really* hard to find a US keyboard with it actually printed on the key, but any right-alt (or any other key, really) can be a altgr if you use something like this: XKBOPTIONS=lv3:ralt_switch or you can get compose with either: XKBOPTIONS=compose:ralt or: XKBLAYOUT=us XKBVARIANT=intl (or you can use both with something like: XKBOPTIONS=compose:ralt, lv3:rwin_switch) If you like dead keys: XKBLAYOUT=us XKBVARIANT=alt-intl In current systems, these go in /etc/default/keyboard Older systems use xorg.conf. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 00:52, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 08 September 2010 03:44:27 Doug wrote: How, in plain English, can one get foreign characters in Linux without using an international keyboard? I use skim; scim, I believe, if you do not have KDE. I have found ibus to be a bit robust than scim, and less finicky about ABI transition issues (since it isn't C++ and anyway uses DBus instead of internal communication). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinw-dsjt_zh1tearviw3b4+bichvmmj-2qbc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 06:16:52 -0700 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 00:43, John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: ... How did you get a US keyboard with an AltGr key? It is *really* hard to find a US keyboard with it actually printed on the key, but any right-alt (or any other key, really) can be a altgr if you My Acer Aspire 3690 (purchased from Tiger) does have AltGR printed on the right alt key. use something like this: XKBOPTIONS=lv3:ralt_switch or you can get compose with either: XKBOPTIONS=compose:ralt or: XKBLAYOUT=us XKBVARIANT=intl (or you can use both with something like: XKBOPTIONS=compose:ralt, lv3:rwin_switch) If you like dead keys: XKBLAYOUT=us XKBVARIANT=alt-intl In current systems, these go in /etc/default/keyboard Older systems use xorg.conf. I don't have any of those, and indeed, both my alts are just plain alts. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100908095003.93f78ea6.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net writes: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:47:44 -0700 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org dijo: That is why we were talking about the Compose and AltGr keys. I have a US keyboard and I just press the Compose key followed by s and s to get ß. Similarly, I can press Compose ' and a to get á. The AltGr key will also allow access to alternate values of individual keys by holding down the AltGr key and pressing another key. For the US-international layout, the AltGr-a combination will give á, AltGr-s gives ß, AltGr-/ gives ¿. I am using unicode, but it works for all characters that the charset and locale allow. I have a US keyboard and I do not have an AltGr key. I do have two Alt keys, one on either side of the spacebar, but neither works as you describe. However, in Linux Ctrl-Shift-u plus the unicode value enters any character contained in the font. How did you get a US keyboard with an AltGr key? As others have already commented, I just reassigned some of the keys. I assigned the right windows key to be Compose and the left windows key to be AltGr. I use KDE and just use the Keyboard Layout section of settings to specify them as Xkb options. I am sure that Gnome has something similar, and probably other windowing environments as well. They actually just run the setxkbmap command to update the keyboard mapping that X11 uses. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877hiw9pov@oak.localnet
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
Thomas Vazhappilly t...@vazhappilly.co.cc wrote: [-- text/plain, encoding 7bit, charset: ISO-8859-1, 15 lines --] Hi..! I am a migrant from MS Windoz to Gnu/Linux. Only one problem where I stuck is, I cannot key in some characters in UTF-8 such as CURRENCY SIGN as in typing MS Windoz. In MSW I can get the character by holding the alt key and type 0164 and on release the alt key, I get the CURRENCY SIGN in the editor. Is there a ditto input method in Debian Gnu/Linux system? Somebody help -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1ossyz-0001kn...@arronax.matrix.foo
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:43:13 -0700 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:45:06 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... In GNOME, you can get it by pressing Ctrl+Shift+u and release the keys. You'll get an underline u. Then you have to type the desired characters sequence, i.e., for currency sign type 00a4 and press enter: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html General GTK thing; I do it on my XFCE system. General X11 thing; they can all be done at the command line. A full list for UTF-8 is at /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose, and similar for other locales. I don't usually use X without GTK, but I was relying on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input#Hex_input Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8739tlbl14@oak.localnet
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 09:01:11AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). AltGr and the keypad. For a-f work round the outside of the keypad from top left to bottom right. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100907193249.ga3...@gennes.augarten
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
David Jardine da...@jardine.de writes: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 09:01:11AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). AltGr and the keypad. For a-f work round the outside of the keypad from top left to bottom right. That doesn't work either, but maybe because I am working under KDE. I don't know what AltGr is supposed to be, but I assigned a key to what is called 3rd level chooser, but that doesn't do anything. Either I guessed wrong or there is some other configuration necessary. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tym19q8u@oak.localnet
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 02:51:29PM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: David Jardine da...@jardine.de writes: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 09:01:11AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). AltGr and the keypad. For a-f work round the outside of the keypad from top left to bottom right. That doesn't work either, but maybe because I am working under KDE. I don't know what AltGr is supposed to be, but I assigned a key to what is called 3rd level chooser, but that doesn't do anything. Either I guessed wrong or there is some other configuration necessary. No, sorry, even if you guessed right (right alt key???) it wouldn't have worked in X, let alone KDE. Unless someone knows how to configure it to do just that... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100907225627.ga3...@gennes.augarten
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:01:11 -0700 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org wrote: ... Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). As Camaleón has explained, it's really pretty straightforward: press ctrl-shift-u simultaneously, then release all three; you'll see an underlined 'u'. Now enter the hex code for the character, one digit at a time, then press enter when finished. Voila, you'll get the Unicode character! Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100907213418.8b93179c.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On 9/7/2010 9:34 PM, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:01:11 -0700 Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org wrote: ... Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). As Camaleón has explained, it's really pretty straightforward: press ctrl-shift-u simultaneously, then release all three; you'll see an underlined 'u'. Now enter the hex code for the character, one digit at a time, then press enter when finished. Voila, you'll get the Unicode character! Celejar This question brought up an interesting, and bigger question: In DOS and all versions of Windows, going back to the stone age, you could hold ALT and press 3 digits of the extended (128~255) ASCII table, using the number pad, and get all kinds of foreign and other useful characters. For instance, if you wanted a German ess-tset character, you would hold ALT and push 225, like this: ß. I'm writing this from Win 7, and you can see that it works. It also works in Open Office in the Windows version. Something similar in MS Word--I think Word requires a 0 before the code. As far as I can tell, this does _not_ work in Debian or in PcLinuxOs, the two Lx's I have present access to. Not in plain files like KWrite, and not in Open Office. I don't understand what the above correspondent is getting at (I don't know what Unicode is). How, in plain English, can one get foreign characters in Linux without using an international keyboard? (I assume that works, as the international keyboard is a choice in many distros, under Locale.) Or is it basically just not possible? --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c86f88b.90...@optonline.net
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:44:27 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 9/7/2010 9:34 PM, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:01:11 -0700 Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org wrote: ... Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). As Camaleón has explained, it's really pretty straightforward: press ctrl-shift-u simultaneously, then release all three; you'll see an underlined 'u'. Now enter the hex code for the character, one digit at a time, then press enter when finished. Voila, you'll get the Unicode character! Celejar This question brought up an interesting, and bigger question: In DOS and all versions of Windows, going back to the stone age, you could hold ALT and press 3 digits of the extended (128~255) ASCII table, using the number pad, and get all kinds of foreign and other useful characters. For instance, if you wanted a German ess-tset character, you would hold ALT and push 225, like this: ß. I'm writing this from Win 7, and you can see that it works. It also works in Open Office in the Windows version. Something similar in MS Word--I think Word requires a 0 before the code. As far as I can tell, this does _not_ work in Debian or in PcLinuxOs, the two Lx's I have present access to. Not in plain files like KWrite, Did you try the method I gave above? It's very similar to what you describe, just much more powerful - giving you all Unicode, not just extended ASCII. and not in Open Office. I don't understand what the above correspondent is getting at (I don't know what Unicode is). How, in plain English, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode It's rather overwhelming and confusing, but basically, it's a large set of characters that includes all sorts of different alphabets. can one get foreign characters in Linux without using an international keyboard? (I assume that works, as the international keyboard is a Of course. choice in many distros, under Locale.) Or is it basically just not possible? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100908000734.c6b92f8b.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
David Jardine da...@jardine.de writes: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 02:51:29PM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: David Jardine da...@jardine.de writes: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 09:01:11AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote: Sorry, I was referring to the link to compose keys. I haven't figured out how to use hex input for Linux (or FreeBSD). AltGr and the keypad. For a-f work round the outside of the keypad from top left to bottom right. That doesn't work either, but maybe because I am working under KDE. I don't know what AltGr is supposed to be, but I assigned a key to what is called 3rd level chooser, but that doesn't do anything. Either I guessed wrong or there is some other configuration necessary. No, sorry, even if you guessed right (right alt key???) it wouldn't have worked in X, let alone KDE. Unless someone knows how to configure it to do just that... I found enough information in the wikipedia article about AltGr to confirm that I do have it working right, but it still doesn't work for numeric keypad input. The compose characters handle anything I need, so it doesn't matter to me. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87iq2gam9e@oak.localnet
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:58:22 +0530, Thomas Vazhappilly wrote: I am a migrant from MS Windoz to Gnu/Linux. Only one problem where I stuck is, I cannot key in some characters in UTF-8 such as CURRENCY SIGN as in typing MS Windoz. In MSW I can get the character by holding the alt key and type 0164 and on release the alt key, I get the CURRENCY SIGN in the editor. Is there a ditto input method in Debian Gnu/Linux system? Somebody help. Yes, it is called compose :-) If you are using GNOME, you're in luck: Currency sign → ¤ In GNOME, you can get it by pressing Ctrl+Shift+u and release the keys. You'll get an underline u. Then you have to type the desired characters sequence, i.e., for currency sign type 00a4 and press enter: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.09.06.06.45...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 10:58:22AM +0530, Thomas Vazhappilly wrote: Hi..! I am a migrant from MS Windoz to Gnu/Linux. Only one problem where I stuck is, I cannot key in some characters in UTF-8 such as CURRENCY SIGN as in typing MS Windoz. In MSW I can get the character by holding the alt key and type 0164 and on release the alt key, I get the CURRENCY SIGN in the editor. Is there a ditto input method in Debian Gnu/Linux system? Somebody help. Thanks in advance. Currency sign may be done just by simple compose with binary code trick. But if you wish to type any indic fancy text, I recommend you to look into ibus or SCIM tool chain which provide GUI input method. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_the_input_method_support_with_ibus Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100906163101.ga17...@debian.org
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:45:06 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... In GNOME, you can get it by pressing Ctrl+Shift+u and release the keys. You'll get an underline u. Then you have to type the desired characters sequence, i.e., for currency sign type 00a4 and press enter: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html General GTK thing; I do it on my XFCE system. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100906214513.7a0fab24.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:45:06 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... In GNOME, you can get it by pressing Ctrl+Shift+u and release the keys. You'll get an underline u. Then you have to type the desired characters sequence, i.e., for currency sign type 00a4 and press enter: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html General GTK thing; I do it on my XFCE system. General X11 thing; they can all be done at the command line. A full list for UTF-8 is at /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose, and similar for other locales. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87fwxmb4mm@oak.localnet
Re: Unicode Character key-in problem
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:43:13 -0700 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 06:45:06 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... In GNOME, you can get it by pressing Ctrl+Shift+u and release the keys. You'll get an underline u. Then you have to type the desired characters sequence, i.e., for currency sign type 00a4 and press enter: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html General GTK thing; I do it on my XFCE system. General X11 thing; they can all be done at the command line. A full list for UTF-8 is at /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose, and similar for other locales. I don't usually use X without GTK, but I was relying on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input#Hex_input Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100906235811.ba9817aa.cele...@gmail.com
Unicode Character key-in problem
Hi..! I am a migrant from MS Windoz to Gnu/Linux. Only one problem where I stuck is, I cannot key in some characters in UTF-8 such as CURRENCY SIGN as in typing MS Windoz. In MSW I can get the character by holding the alt key and type 0164 and on release the alt key, I get the CURRENCY SIGN in the editor. Is there a ditto input method in Debian Gnu/Linux system? Somebody help. Thanks in advance. Thomas M. Vazhappilly Kerala, India
