Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-03-01 Thread Michael Beattie
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Benoit Goudreault-Emond wrote:

 [snip]
  Hmm, I used to have that running with my tseng et4000, but when I went to
  my new s3 virge, It died completely... anyway, 80x34 is fine... 80x25 is
  just too large... I hate DOS so much... :)
   
 
 Died how?  Don't forget that you absolutely HAVE to load fonts if you use
 any S3 based card in text mode at high refresh rates (you probably knew that,
 but one never knows).
 

Mainly the display gets screwed around...  I was loading fonts, although I
didn'nt know I _had_ to. Are there any particular fonts that have to be
used? I cant remember what I was using.


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Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-02-28 Thread Benoit Goudreault-Emond
[snip]
 Hmm, I used to have that running with my tseng et4000, but when I went to
 my new s3 virge, It died completely... anyway, 80x34 is fine... 80x25 is
 just too large... I hate DOS so much... :)
  

Died how?  Don't forget that you absolutely HAVE to load fonts if you use
any S3 based card in text mode at high refresh rates (you probably knew that,
but one never knows).

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Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-02-27 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Benoit Goudreault-Emond wrote:

 [A heck of a lot clipped]
   
   I hope that will be of some use to you.
   
  
  Apparently not... I am beginning to think I need to raise some money for a
  new monitor.. :( limits: 30-50 horiz 50-75 Vert
  Oh well...
 
 Well, you can change the first number on the modeline, I beleive it's
 the dot clock.  Lowering that will allow you to drive the monitor at a
 lower synch rate.
 
 'Sides, I had a monitor which had about the same specs once, and I ran @ 
 100x37
 but at ~70 Hz, IIRC.  You should be able to do the same (hint: you should be
 able to drive the 100x37 mode at the same frequency you drive your monitor 
 when
 in 800x600 graphical mode).  Unfortunately, I don't know what happened to that
 particular configuration.  Sorry.

Hmm, I used to have that running with my tseng et4000, but when I went to
my new s3 virge, It died completely... anyway, 80x34 is fine... 80x25 is
just too large... I hate DOS so much... :)
 
 Again, be darn careful when fooling around with SVGATextMode.  Keep one 
 console
 with stm 80x25 ready, and your finger on the monitor's off switch. :)

I think that goes without saying...


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Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-02-26 Thread Michael Beattie
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Benoit Goudreault-Emond wrote:

  As a matter of interest, who is using SVGATextMode with an S3 ViRGE and a
  1024x768 capable monitor? if I try to go above 80x30, the characters on
  the left hand side of the screen get all screwy, and sometimes the left of
  the screen is cut off at the 10thish column and is repeated from there...
  So I use LILO to give me 80x34 :)
  
  Any Ideas?
 
 I am.
 
 My own text mode is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  My settings:
 
 --- snip ---
 ChipSet   S3
 ClockChip S3Virge
 Option XFAST_DRAM
 # The following line might be what you're missing...
 Option S3_HSText
 option 16color
 # You may be missing this as well -- apparently, you must make sure to
 # load fonts at high frequencies
 Option LoadFont
 FontProg /usr/bin/setfont
 FontPath /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts
 # The following font is not in the package -- I grabbed it off sunsite's
 # console fonts pack.
 FontSelect sans-16   8x16 9x16 8x15 9x15 
 # The following fonts were kept as default -- I don't use them
 FontSelect Cyr_a8x14   8x14 9x14 8x13 9x13
 FontSelect 8x12alt.psf 8x12 9x12 8x11 9x11
 FontSelect Cyr_a8x88x8  9x8  8x7  9x7
 FontSelect Cyr_a8x32   8x32 9x32 8x31 9x31
 
 FontProg /usr/bin/setfont -u def.uni
 HorizSync 30-66
 VertRefresh 50-110
 DefaultMode 80x25
 80x25  28.3640  680  776  800400  412  414  449 font  9x16
 #
 # This is the mode I use.  I had to mess with the first, second, fourth
 # and fifth values to center.  I basically tried until I got something
 # reasonable, so I can't really give some hints besides keep a console
 # with stm 80x25 always ready at the prompt, and your finger on the
 # monitor's power off switch (just in case you give bad settings)
 #
 custom  55   800  878  922 1042615  615  616  650 font  8x16
 
 --- snip ---
 
 I hope that will be of some use to you.
 

Apparently not... I am beginning to think I need to raise some money for a
new monitor.. :( limits: 30-50 horiz 50-75 Vert
Oh well...

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Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-02-26 Thread Benoit Goudreault-Emond
[A heck of a lot clipped]
  
  I hope that will be of some use to you.
  
 
 Apparently not... I am beginning to think I need to raise some money for a
 new monitor.. :( limits: 30-50 horiz 50-75 Vert
 Oh well...

Well, you can change the first number on the modeline, I beleive it's
the dot clock.  Lowering that will allow you to drive the monitor at a
lower synch rate.

'Sides, I had a monitor which had about the same specs once, and I ran @ 100x37
but at ~70 Hz, IIRC.  You should be able to do the same (hint: you should be
able to drive the 100x37 mode at the same frequency you drive your monitor when
in 800x600 graphical mode).  Unfortunately, I don't know what happened to that
particular configuration.  Sorry.

Again, be darn careful when fooling around with SVGATextMode.  Keep one console
with stm 80x25 ready, and your finger on the monitor's off switch. :)

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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-24 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 10:32:47PM +0800, Lindsay Allen wrote:
 I have spent quite some time on this one.  Reverting to the bo
 svgatextmode does not help.  The thing that makes the difference is the
 particular font chosen.  If I use 80x25, 80x25x9 or 80x25x8 I can still
 scroll right back to the bios messages.  But if I use 116x34x9 I cannot
 scroll back at all.  It appears, then, that a significant change of font
 causes a reset.  

Maybe there is not enough video ram to have any scroll-back? I have a 2MB
card and at 100x37 (and 110Hz thanks to SVGATextmode :-) ) I can press 
S-Up about six or seven times.

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Re: Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message)

1998-02-23 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Bill Leach wrote:

 William R. Ward wrote:
 [snip]
  I've never seen much point in svgatextmode, personally - you can get
  80x50 from LILO, isn't that enough?

The 80x50 LILO can give me, also gives me 8x8 pixel characters. Using
SVGATextMode I have 116x51 using 16x9 pixel characters. Readable
characters are enough reason for me.

 I'm all for giving everyone as many options as practical but
 SVGATextMode is one that I plan on leaving off of my system.
 
 Quite fortunately, for me, after running Linux of several flavors for
 years, I finally opted to make xdm start on boot.  Good thing, SVGA Text
 Mode failed miserably (with the default configuration) but of course X
 worked fine.  I even tried booting into single user before playing
 around with SVGA Text Mode just to see if it was possible.  Turns out
 that a serious problem with SVGA Text Mode is about as bad as a problem
 with BASH (assuming BASH is your default shell of course).

But if you haven't configured SVGATextMode properly it shouldn't start at
all at boot time. First configure it and be confident that it really
works on your hardware, then make it start at boot time.

Also, if you are unable to read the console, it still is a console. Log in
blindly and type stm 80x25, and you should get the default 80x25 mode.

 Additionally, I either never could quite figure the thing out properly
 but when switching to a console under SVGA Text Mode from X the last row
 of pixels was lost on ALL console screens.  To me it just seemed to
 quirky but will readily admit that except for 1) the potental
 inconvenience of not being able to get a console at all and 2) the
 quirky behaviour I experienced going to consoles from X, SVGA Text Mode
 can give you some really wonderful console displays on a high resolution
 monitor.

1) is solved by not doing things too fast, 2) is probably a timing problem
that can be solved by tuning the video mode.

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Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-02-23 Thread Michael Beattie
On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:

 On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Bill Leach wrote:
 
  William R. Ward wrote:
  [snip]
   I've never seen much point in svgatextmode, personally - you can get
   80x50 from LILO, isn't that enough?
 
 The 80x50 LILO can give me, also gives me 8x8 pixel characters. Using
 SVGATextMode I have 116x51 using 16x9 pixel characters. Readable
 characters are enough reason for me.
[snip]
 But if you haven't configured SVGATextMode properly it shouldn't start at
 all at boot time. First configure it and be confident that it really
 works on your hardware, then make it start at boot time.

As a matter of interest, who is using SVGATextMode with an S3 ViRGE and a
1024x768 capable monitor? if I try to go above 80x30, the characters on
the left hand side of the screen get all screwy, and sometimes the left of
the screen is cut off at the 10thish column and is repeated from there...
So I use LILO to give me 80x34 :)

Any Ideas?

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Re: stm (was Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message))

1998-02-23 Thread Benoit Goudreault-Emond
 As a matter of interest, who is using SVGATextMode with an S3 ViRGE and a
 1024x768 capable monitor? if I try to go above 80x30, the characters on
 the left hand side of the screen get all screwy, and sometimes the left of
 the screen is cut off at the 10thish column and is repeated from there...
 So I use LILO to give me 80x34 :)
 
 Any Ideas?

I am.

My own text mode is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  My settings:

--- snip ---
ChipSet S3
ClockChip S3Virge
Option XFAST_DRAM
# The following line might be what you're missing...
Option S3_HSText
option 16color
# You may be missing this as well -- apparently, you must make sure to
# load fonts at high frequencies
Option LoadFont
FontProg /usr/bin/setfont
FontPath /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts
# The following font is not in the package -- I grabbed it off sunsite's
# console fonts pack.
FontSelect sans-16   8x16 9x16 8x15 9x15 
# The following fonts were kept as default -- I don't use them
FontSelect Cyr_a8x14   8x14 9x14 8x13 9x13
FontSelect 8x12alt.psf 8x12 9x12 8x11 9x11
FontSelect Cyr_a8x88x8  9x8  8x7  9x7
FontSelect Cyr_a8x32   8x32 9x32 8x31 9x31

FontProg /usr/bin/setfont -u def.uni
HorizSync 30-66
VertRefresh 50-110
DefaultMode 80x25
80x25  28.3640  680  776  800400  412  414  449 font  9x16
#
# This is the mode I use.  I had to mess with the first, second, fourth
# and fifth values to center.  I basically tried until I got something
# reasonable, so I can't really give some hints besides keep a console
# with stm 80x25 always ready at the prompt, and your finger on the
# monitor's power off switch (just in case you give bad settings)
#
custom  55   800  878  922 1042615  615  616  650 font  8x16

--- snip ---

I hope that will be of some use to you.

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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-23 Thread Lindsay Allen

On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Nathan E Norman wrote:

 On 20 Feb 1998, William R. Ward wrote:
 
 : Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 :  On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 :   On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:11:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 :How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot 
 into
 :linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as 
 it
 :rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or 
 someway I
 :can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
 :   
 :   dmesg will show you the kernel stuff, eg dmesg | less. Most of 
 :   it is in the logs in /var/log too. There's no way (that I know of)
 :   to see all the non-kernel stuff.
 :  
 :  I could shift/page right back to the bios messages after startup until I
 :  upgraded svgatextmode (currently Version: 1.8-4.)  Now I cannot go back
 :  past whatever is on the screen when svgatextmode starts.  Has anyone got a
 :  fix for this?
 : 
 : I've never seen much point in svgatextmode, personally - you can get
 : 80x50 from LILO, isn't that enough?
 
 Sure, if you've got a 15 monitor, and have never used a 132 column
 monitor.  However, this argumant is pointless as it doesn't fulfill the
 purpose of the list - address the user's question.
 
 At any rate, I believe the new version of stm resets the screen when it
 starts, so that gpm will work as advertised (if you start gpm, then
 start stm, and don't send a SIGWINCH (iirc) to gpm, it still thinks
 you're in a 80x25 window.  Ugly)  I suppose this reset is causing your
 inability to scroll back.
 
 I'm not a master with stm, gpm, but I think there is a way to _not_ run
 stm on one of your consoles.  Is there?  If you don't use gpm, you could
 comment out the reset program in the stm config file ... or, even if you
 do use gpm you could try this.
 
 I'll try it out on my Compaq monday at work.  Until then, this is mostly
 conjecture.
 
 HTH,


I have spent quite some time on this one.  Reverting to the bo
svgatextmode does not help.  The thing that makes the difference is the
particular font chosen.  If I use 80x25, 80x25x9 or 80x25x8 I can still
scroll right back to the bios messages.  But if I use 116x34x9 I cannot
scroll back at all.  It appears, then, that a significant change of font
causes a reset.  


Thanks to all who helped.  I guess I'll have to accept things as they are.

Lindsay

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Re: Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message)

1998-02-23 Thread Bill Leach
 The 80x50 LILO can give me, also gives me 8x8 pixel characters.
 Using SVGATextMode I have 116x51 using 16x9 pixel characters.
 Readable characters are enough reason for me.

I don't even remember what I am using in lilo but I am quite happy with
it (bully for me).


 But if you haven't configured SVGATextMode properly it shouldn't
 start at all at boot time. First configure it and be confident that
 it really works on your hardware, then make it start at boot time.

Maybe it shouldn't start but it DID start.  I was more than surprised as
I am all but certain that I did NOT explicitely choose to install
SVGATextMode when in dselect.  In any event it did install and the next
time the machines was booted, consoles were fouled up.

Upon reading the docs for the program and experiementing with it, I got
it to work except for the corruption following a switch from X.  I
remember that there were some comments about switching back and forth
and I am pretty sure that I tried at least some suggestions but to no
avail.

The 'bigger issue' to me was that even though I was pleased with
flexibility provided for consoles, I don't like the idea of something
that 'messes' with the console that can break single user mode.  Thus,
there was not much motivation for me to try to track down the X -
SVGATextMode corruption.  If I really felt a strong need to use it
though, I would play around with how it is started so that it would not
start automagically when in single user mode.  While such a change is
probably 'brutally simple', insuring that future updates of the package
file did not 'undo' the change is, I think, not trivial.



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Console resolution (Was Viewing bootup message)

1998-02-22 Thread Bill Leach
William R. Ward wrote:
[snip]
 I've never seen much point in svgatextmode, personally - you can get
 80x50 from LILO, isn't that enough?

I'm all for giving everyone as many options as practical but
SVGATextMode is one that I plan on leaving off of my system.

Quite fortunately, for me, after running Linux of several flavors for
years, I finally opted to make xdm start on boot.  Good thing, SVGA Text
Mode failed miserably (with the default configuration) but of course X
worked fine.  I even tried booting into single user before playing
around with SVGA Text Mode just to see if it was possible.  Turns out
that a serious problem with SVGA Text Mode is about as bad as a problem
with BASH (assuming BASH is your default shell of course).

Additionally, I either never could quite figure the thing out properly
but when switching to a console under SVGA Text Mode from X the last row
of pixels was lost on ALL console screens.  To me it just seemed to
quirky but will readily admit that except for 1) the potental
inconvenience of not being able to get a console at all and 2) the
quirky behaviour I experienced going to consoles from X, SVGA Text Mode
can give you some really wonderful console displays on a high resolution
monitor.

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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-21 Thread Nathan E Norman
On 20 Feb 1998, William R. Ward wrote:

: Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
:  On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
:   On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:11:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot 
into
:linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
:rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
:can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
:   
:   dmesg will show you the kernel stuff, eg dmesg | less. Most of 
:   it is in the logs in /var/log too. There's no way (that I know of)
:   to see all the non-kernel stuff.
:  
:  I could shift/page right back to the bios messages after startup until I
:  upgraded svgatextmode (currently Version: 1.8-4.)  Now I cannot go back
:  past whatever is on the screen when svgatextmode starts.  Has anyone got a
:  fix for this?
: 
: I've never seen much point in svgatextmode, personally - you can get
: 80x50 from LILO, isn't that enough?

Sure, if you've got a 15 monitor, and have never used a 132 column
monitor.  However, this argumant is pointless as it doesn't fulfill the
purpose of the list - address the user's question.

At any rate, I believe the new version of stm resets the screen when it
starts, so that gpm will work as advertised (if you start gpm, then
start stm, and don't send a SIGWINCH (iirc) to gpm, it still thinks
you're in a 80x25 window.  Ugly)  I suppose this reset is causing your
inability to scroll back.

I'm not a master with stm, gpm, but I think there is a way to _not_ run
stm on one of your consoles.  Is there?  If you don't use gpm, you could
comment out the reset program in the stm config file ... or, even if you
do use gpm you could try this.

I'll try it out on my Compaq monday at work.  Until then, this is mostly
conjecture.

HTH,

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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-20 Thread William R. Ward
Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
  On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:11:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into
   linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
   rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
   can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
  
  dmesg will show you the kernel stuff, eg dmesg | less. Most of 
  it is in the logs in /var/log too. There's no way (that I know of)
  to see all the non-kernel stuff.
 
 I could shift/page right back to the bios messages after startup until I
 upgraded svgatextmode (currently Version: 1.8-4.)  Now I cannot go back
 past whatever is on the screen when svgatextmode starts.  Has anyone got a
 fix for this?

I've never seen much point in svgatextmode, personally - you can get
80x50 from LILO, isn't that enough?

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Viewing bootup message

1998-02-10 Thread tsnake
How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into
linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
Thanks,
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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:11:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into
 linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
 rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
 can re-direct it to a file for perusal?

dmesg will show you the kernel stuff, eg dmesg | less. Most of 
it is in the logs in /var/log too. There's no way (that I know of)
to see all the non-kernel stuff.

Note that scroll lock will pause the display.

Hamish
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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-10 Thread Keith Beattie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into
 linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
 rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
 can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
 Thanks,
 Chris
 

You are looking for the command:
  dmesg

Pipe it through your favoriate pager:
  dmesg | more
  dmesg | less
etc.

Keith


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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-10 Thread David Wright
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, tsnake wrote:

 How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into
 linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
 rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
 can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
 Thanks,
 Chris

Although dmesg and /var/log/messages are useful, the best method of 
seeing *everything* is to use Shift-PageUp/Down. This is always present 
in VCs just so long as you look before you switch to another VC (which 
throws away everything above the top of the screen).

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Re: Viewing bootup message

1998-02-10 Thread Lindsay Allen


On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 09:11:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How can you view the entire list of messeges that show when you boot into
  linux? It all either scrolls by too fast or too much read/decipher as it
  rolls off the top. Is there a file that mirrors that output or someway I
  can re-direct it to a file for perusal?
 
 dmesg will show you the kernel stuff, eg dmesg | less. Most of 
 it is in the logs in /var/log too. There's no way (that I know of)
 to see all the non-kernel stuff.


I could shift/page right back to the bios messages after startup until I
upgraded svgatextmode (currently Version: 1.8-4.)  Now I cannot go back
past whatever is on the screen when svgatextmode starts.  Has anyone got a
fix for this?

 
 Note that scroll lock will pause the display.
 
 Hamish

Lindsay

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