Re: What happend to Netscape?
> I will third that statement. Netscape will take from like 30-60 megs > depending... 4.7, btw. On the subject of memory leaks, has anyone ran > (g)top after having had gaim open for a few hours I don't know > anything about the AOL IM protocol, but I'm guessing it doesn't require > upwards of 15megs of ram to run. i've been running netscape/communicator 4.7 since it came out on a potato system (with the libc5 stuff still in stalled) on a pentium with 128 mb of ram with no real problems. so times java will crash it, and sometimes a plugin will crash it but mostly it's fine. the trick is to run the libc5 version not the glibc one. it's a shame to have to keep the libc5 stuff installed but i need it for wp8 as well so ... adam.
Re: What happend to Netscape?
I will third that statement. Netscape will take from like 30-60 megs depending... 4.7, btw. On the subject of memory leaks, has anyone ran (g)top after having had gaim open for a few hours I don't know anything about the AOL IM protocol, but I'm guessing it doesn't require upwards of 15megs of ram to run. -Aaron Solochek [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > From: paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I don't think so. If you have plenty of memory Netscape 4.7 have been > > > fairly stable. > > > > > > > I would expect that my 128M would be enough. Are you saying that this is > > not > > enough? ;-) > > I have 128M, and have seen plenty of Netscape problems. > > > Daniel > -- > Daniel Barclay > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Hmm. A little worrisome: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy > http://www.anonymizer.com/snoop.cgi ) > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
Re: What happend to Netscape?
> From: paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I don't think so. If you have plenty of memory Netscape 4.7 have been > > fairly stable. > > > > I would expect that my 128M would be enough. Are you saying that this is not > enough? ;-) I have 128M, and have seen plenty of Netscape problems. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hmm. A little worrisome: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy http://www.anonymizer.com/snoop.cgi )
Re: What happend to Netscape?
remove the plugger package. worked for me. On 27-Jan-2000 paul wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, George Bonser wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote: >> >> > Lately I feel Netscape has gone back to having the problems I felt was >> > solved in 4.7: Memory leaks, crashing and slow rendering. >> >> Something changed in debian someplace that has tickled a problem with >> netscape. I suddenly am finding my system thrashing to swap and processes >> are dying off for lack of RAM when it is running. It seems so far to be a >> problem when I leave the browser parked on a page that has a java applet >> running but I am not yet convinced of that. >> > > I made a similar post two days ago, and was told: > > 1) Netscape is still a piece of poop. > > 2) Libc5 version works a little better than libc6. > > 3) Netscape 3.x does not have the problems associated with Netscape 4.x. Use > Netscape 3.x whenever you do not need the added functionality of Netscape > 4.x. > > 4) Disable java and javascript except for when you absolutely must have it. > > Also I would like to add that we should do whatever we can to support and > help > with projects such as amaya in order to free ourselves from the Netscape > problems and the Netscape/aol/Time-warner corporate monster. > > -ptw- > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > /dev/null
Re: What happend to Netscape?
On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Colin Watson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Dysthe) wrote: > > [Also to debian-devel] > > >On 27 Jan, paul wrote: > >| 2) Libc5 version works a little better than libc6. > > > >I tried both. I have never been able to see much difference. > > Well, I was going to try out the libc6 version for a while when it > appeared in potato (or am I going mad and it was libc6 all along?), but > the netscape-base-4 maintainer appears to have decided that it should be > libc5 again. :( I'm reminded of a yo-yo ... > > Is there any reason why we can't have netscape-libc5 and netscape-libc6 > packages? It would seem to solve a lot of problems with people who need > one or the other, and eliminate this switching back and forth. Yes, I am working on that. I maintain all of netscape. You will note that netscape-base-4(the wrapper) and plugger both support installations of libc5 and libc6 netscapes. I haven't yet uploaded new netscapes, tho. The scripting to build the debs isn't simple, and I need to test it all as well. BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS d- s: a-- c+++ UL P+ L !E W+ M o+ K- W--- !O M- !V PS-- PE++ Y+ PGP++ t* 5++ X+ tv b+ D++ G e h*! !r z? -END GEEK CODE BLOCK- BEGIN PGP INFO Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Finger Print | KeyID 67 01 42 93 CA 37 FB 1E63 C9 80 1D 08 CF 84 0A | DE656B05 PGP AD46 C888 F587 F8A3 A6DA 3261 8A2C 7DC2 8BD4 A489 | 8BD4A489 GPG -END PGP INFO-
Re: What happend to Netscape?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Dysthe) wrote: [Also to debian-devel] >On 27 Jan, paul wrote: >| 2) Libc5 version works a little better than libc6. > >I tried both. I have never been able to see much difference. Well, I was going to try out the libc6 version for a while when it appeared in potato (or am I going mad and it was libc6 all along?), but the netscape-base-4 maintainer appears to have decided that it should be libc5 again. :( I'm reminded of a yo-yo ... Is there any reason why we can't have netscape-libc5 and netscape-libc6 packages? It would seem to solve a lot of problems with people who need one or the other, and eliminate this switching back and forth. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What happend to Netscape?
On Thu Jan 27, Christian said: > On 27 Jan, paul wrote: > > | > | 1) Netscape is still a piece of poop. > > I don't think so. If you have plenty of memory Netscape 4.7 have been > fairly stable. > I would expect that my 128M would be enough. Are you saying that this is not enough? ;-) > > but I have been happy with it. > I also find it more than adequate, in spite of the occasional problem. > > At least Java has to be disabled to avoid frequent freeze-ups. > Freeze-ups also occur with Java and Java-script disabled, usually on start-up. > > Well, I work for a company putting out a Linux browser soon: Opera > Software. The only problem is that we won't give it away. Personally I > am used to pay for good software on my previous platform, Windows, so > for me to pay for something I use as frequent as a web browser, or even > a good e-mail client, won't be considered a problem. > I've heard that Opera will be quite nice. ;-) My preference for free software is because high quality free software will encourage the commercial vendors to create even better software. Thus free software will cause improvements in all sectors of the market. I learned to use a computer on Linux first, so my experience with Window$ was only at college. I truly cannot comment on the quality of applications available for Window$, except that I'm sure they were better than the OS they ran on. Thanks, -ptw
Re: What happend to Netscape?
On 27 Jan, paul wrote: | | 1) Netscape is still a piece of poop. I don't think so. If you have plenty of memory Netscape 4.7 have been fairly stable. Java makes it crash, and the are other small oddities, but I have been happy with it. | | 2) Libc5 version works a little better than libc6. I tried both. I have never been able to see much difference. | | 3) Netscape 3.x does not have the problems associated with Netscape 4.x. Use | Netscape 3.x whenever you do not need the added functionality of Netscape 4.x. I do not want to change browser based on sites I go to (unless I have to). | | 4) Disable java and javascript except for when you absolutely must have it. At least Java has to be disabled to avoid frequent freeze-ups. | | Also I would like to add that we should do whatever we can to support and help | with projects such as amaya in order to free ourselves from the Netscape | problems and the Netscape/aol/Time-warner corporate monster. Well, I work for a company putting out a Linux browser soon: Opera Software. The only problem is that we won't give it away. Personally I am used to pay for good software on my previous platform, Windows, so for me to pay for something I use as frequent as a web browser, or even a good e-mail client, won't be considered a problem. | | -ptw- | | | | | -- | Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null | | -- Regards, Christian Dysthe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org ICQ 3945810 eFax/Voicemail: 1-208-248-9634 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux "Clones are people two"
Re: What happend to Netscape?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, George Bonser wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote: > > > Lately I feel Netscape has gone back to having the problems I felt was > > solved in 4.7: Memory leaks, crashing and slow rendering. > > Something changed in debian someplace that has tickled a problem with > netscape. I suddenly am finding my system thrashing to swap and processes > are dying off for lack of RAM when it is running. It seems so far to be a > problem when I leave the browser parked on a page that has a java applet > running but I am not yet convinced of that. > I made a similar post two days ago, and was told: 1) Netscape is still a piece of poop. 2) Libc5 version works a little better than libc6. 3) Netscape 3.x does not have the problems associated with Netscape 4.x. Use Netscape 3.x whenever you do not need the added functionality of Netscape 4.x. 4) Disable java and javascript except for when you absolutely must have it. Also I would like to add that we should do whatever we can to support and help with projects such as amaya in order to free ourselves from the Netscape problems and the Netscape/aol/Time-warner corporate monster. -ptw-
Re: What happend to Netscape?
On 26 Jan, George Bonser wrote: | Something changed in debian someplace that has tickled a problem with | netscape. I suddenly am finding my system thrashing to swap and processes | are dying off for lack of RAM when it is running. It seems so far to be a | problem when I leave the browser parked on a page that has a java applet | running but I am not yet convinced of that. | Another thing is that Netscape doesn't react to calls from other apps like it used to either. I used to call Netscape from Postilion. Now I can't. I dont not know if the performance issues, and this is related, but it started at the same time. See my post regarding this today. -- Regards, Christian Dysthe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org ICQ 3945810 eFax/Voicemail: 1-208-248-9634 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux "Clones are people two"
What happend to Netscape?
Hi, I have been using Netscape 4.7 on my Debian (unstable) box for quite a while. Lately I feel Netscape has gone back to having the problems I felt was solved in 4.7: Memory leaks, crashing and slow rendering. Since it is still Netscape 4.7 something else in Debian must have changed to cause this. Or am I imagining it? I do not think so though -- Regards, Christian Dysthe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org ICQ 3945810 eFax/Voicemail: 1-208-248-9634 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux "Clones are people two"
