Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
cletusjenkins cletusjenk...@zoho.com writes: I recently bought a laptop, it came pre-installed with wheezy (because the nvidia driver needed a newer kernel). I really dislike the new version of gnome. I feel like my expensive laptop is hobbled. It feels like a slow $100 android tablet instead of a powerful computer. I can't customize anything about the desktop. This is beginning to be more an more and more of a feature for me. Anyway, folks traumatized by GNOME 3 might be interested in my blog, Why I hate GNOME 3.0: http://www.newt.com/debian/blog.html#hate-gnome-3 I would also encourage you to read my blog, Why I love GNOME 3.0: http://www.newt.com/debian/blog.html#love-gnome-3 These were written when 3.0 first came out (on Fedora, which I was using at work). I'm looking forward to trying 3.4 when I have time to upgrade to wheezy. Everything is buried under layers and layers of menus and all the apps are in jumbled lists. I installed several other desktops, icewm, lxde, kde, etc. I've never really liked KDE, but it seems to have decided to go in much of the same direction gnome has (and windows 8, so maybe just maybe someone at gnome should do some serious thinking about that, if you find you are doing the same thing microsoft is doing that should be a ). I like using LXDE and some of the other alternative on older, low-power machines, but most still have a hodge-podge look that screams windows 95. Icewm was my favorite in the early 0x, but they lost me when icepref disappeared. Anywhoo. xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. My old laptop (the one I'm writing this on) has squeeze with gnome 2.30.2. Is there anyway to get an actual gnome *desktop* on wheezy sans all this metro-esque crap? -- clet debian is my main squeeze -- Bill Wohler woh...@newt.com aka bill.woh...@nasa.gov http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ppwvfy26@olgas.newt.com
RE: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
My old laptop (the one I'm writing this on) has squeeze with gnome 2.30.2. Is there anyway to get an actual gnome *desktop* on wheezy sans all this metro-esque crap? MATE. Tell all your friends: http://mate-desktop.org http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007701ce4f82$da02c340$8e0849c0$@allums.com
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 09:07 -0700, Steven Rosenberg wrote: I knew that GNOME Shell had won me over. Since GNOME still is alive, there seem to be many people using GNOME 3. I can't understand this ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1366882985.707.65.camel@archlinux
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:56:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 19:08 -0700, cletusjenkins wrote: xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. Xfce4 has got to many GNOME dependencies. I'm using it since years, but I don't like it, I just couldn't find a good DE until now. Things for Xfce4 are as often broken, as they are for GNOME, assumed you expect a GNOME2/Xfce4 workflow. What I call broken, others might call features. GNOME dependencies? I see GTK dependencies in Xfce, but no GNOME deps - Could you specify what you are referring too? -- Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se gus...@gusnan.se -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130424151142.3c02b...@debian.lan
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
Le Mer 24 avril 2013 7:56, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 19:08 -0700, cletusjenkins wrote: xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. Xfce4 has got to many GNOME dependencies. I'm using it since years, but I don't like it, I just couldn't find a good DE until now. Things for Xfce4 are as often broken, as they are for GNOME, assumed you expect a GNOME2/Xfce4 workflow. What I call broken, others might call features. Maybe you could take a look at LXDE? There are still dependencies to GTK2 as XFCE, but those are not Gnome deps... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/03b18fda48e0fdaa020c7a5a67454b92.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
Until the motherboard died, I had both GNOME 3 and Xfce on my Wheezy laptop, and I'd go between one and the other. I got quite used to GNOME 3. When I started mousing into the hot-corner on non-GNOME systems, I knew that GNOME Shell had won me over. But I'm still using Xfce from time to time. It's nice to have the choice. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com ste...@stevenrosenberg.net On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le Mer 24 avril 2013 7:56, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 19:08 -0700, cletusjenkins wrote: xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. Xfce4 has got to many GNOME dependencies. I'm using it since years, but I don't like it, I just couldn't find a good DE until now. Things for Xfce4 are as often broken, as they are for GNOME, assumed you expect a GNOME2/Xfce4 workflow. What I call broken, others might call features. Maybe you could take a look at LXDE? There are still dependencies to GTK2 as XFCE, but those are not Gnome deps... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/03b18fda48e0fdaa020c7a5a67454b92.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:03:49 +0200, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Maybe you could take a look at LXDE? There are still dependencies to GTK2 as XFCE, but those are not Gnome deps... I'll switch to another DE, as soon as I've got more time for the computer. At the moment I've got unpleasant things to do and when using my computer, I'll make music, something that is an issue, but I ignore all the issues, resp. I also have to do unpleasant office work. And no, I can't give examples for pleasant office work. I already was uncertain, if I should use Xfce or LXDE, when I switched to Xfce. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/op.wv10iiszqhadp0@suse11-2
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:03:49 +0200, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Maybe you could take a look at LXDE? There are still dependencies to GTK2 as XFCE, but those are not Gnome deps... I'll switch to another DE, as soon as I've got more time for the computer. At the moment I've got unpleasant things to do and when using my computer, I'll make music, something that is an issue, but I ignore all the issues, resp. I also have to do unpleasant office work. And no, I can't give examples for pleasant office work. I already was uncertain, if I should use Xfce or LXDE, when I switched to Xfce. I've used both, and prefer LXDE. I like its modularity. You can add or remove LXDE components as you see fit, or use them with other desktop environments, or even with some window manager-only systems. I use just the LXPanel part of LXDE with Openbox as my GUI. Works great. FWIW: LXDE uses Openbox as its default window manager. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1366825807.61473.yahoomail...@web142303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 09:07:56AM -0700, Steven Rosenberg wrote: I got quite used to GNOME 3. When I started mousing into the hot-corner on non-GNOME systems, I knew that GNOME Shell had won me over. I find myself hitting the Super key all the time to do the same thing. But I'm still using Xfce from time to time. There's nothing wrong with Xfce. It even allows you configure the Super key to call up dmenu so you can launch applications from the keyboard the way that gnome-shell does. ;) -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130424180321.ga18...@daikon.vrg.org
Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
I recently bought a laptop, it came pre-installed with wheezy (because the nvidia driver needed a newer kernel). I really dislike the new version of gnome. I feel like my expensive laptop is hobbled. It feels like a slow $100 android tablet instead of a powerful computer. I can't customize anything about the desktop. Everything is buried under layers and layers of menus and all the apps are in jumbled lists. I installed several other desktops, icewm, lxde, kde, etc. I've never really liked KDE, but it seems to have decided to go in much of the same direction gnome has (and windows 8, so maybe just maybe someone at gnome should do some serious thinking about that, if you find you are doing the same thing microsoft is doing that should be a ). I like using LXDE and some of the other alternative on older, low-power machines, but most still have a hodge-podge look that screams windows 95. Icewm was my favorite in the early 0x, but they lost me when icepref disappeared. Anywhoo. xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. My old laptop (the one I'm writing this on) has squeeze with gnome 2.30.2. Is there anyway to get an actual gnome *desktop* on wheezy sans all this metro-esque crap? -- clet debian is my main squeeze -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/930399101.1490.1366769599964.JavaMail.sas@[172.29.252.227]
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
On 04/23/13 19:08, cletusjenkins wrote: I recently bought a laptop, it came pre-installed with wheezy (because the nvidia driver needed a newer kernel). I really dislike the new version of gnome. ... I installed several other desktops... xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. My newest mid-tower also needs to run Wheezy for the video chip (Intel Core i7 2600S). I also disliked Gnome 3, went through the same desktop evaluation process, and ended up at XFCE. I then installed VirtualBox, set up a VM with debian-6.0.7-i386 with the default graphical user interface (Gnome 2), and moved my desktop apps and data there. Now I can easily export/import my desktop VM to any hardware that supports VirtualBox. :-) HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5177486e.4070...@holgerdanske.com
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
From: cletusjenkins cletusjenk...@zoho.com I recently bought a laptop, it came pre-installed with wheezy (because the nvidia driver needed a newer kernel). I really dislike the new version of gnome. I feel like my expensive laptop is hobbled. It feels like a slow $100 android tablet instead of a powerful computer. I can't customize anything about the desktop. Everything is buried under layers and layers of menus and all the apps are in jumbled lists. I installed several other desktops, icewm, lxde, kde, etc. I've never really liked KDE, but it seems to have decided to go in much of the same direction gnome has (and windows 8, so maybe just maybe someone at gnome should do some serious thinking about that, if you find you are doing the same thing microsoft is doing that should be a ). I like using LXDE and some of the other alternative on older, low-power machines, but most still have a hodge-podge look that screams windows 95. Icewm was my favorite in the early 0x, but they lost me when icepref disappeared. Anywhoo. xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. Do what I did. I don't like GNOME 3 (or desktops environments, in general) either, but I do want a GUI. So, along with Wheezy, I just installed a window manager, Openbox, and LXPanel, and I've got a lean, fast GUI that breathes life into this aging machine of mine. My old laptop (the one I'm writing this on) has squeeze with gnome 2.30.2. Is there anyway to get an actual gnome *desktop* on wheezy sans all this metro-esque crap? Maybe, when Wheezy goes stable, there'll be a backport of GNOME 2. Just a thought since so many users hate 3. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1366777261.12525.yahoomail...@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
Why don't you try installing MATE? There is a MATE repo available for Wheezy: 'deb http://packages.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian wheezy main' Just be sure to apt-get install the mate-archive-keyring package. I'm not sure if you've heard of MATE or not, but basically it's a fork of Gnome 2 developed by Linux Mint. It resembles Gnome 2 in almost all respects, except it uses GTK3 instead of GTK2. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.comwrote: From: cletusjenkins cletusjenk...@zoho.com I recently bought a laptop, it came pre-installed with wheezy (because the nvidia driver needed a newer kernel). I really dislike the new version of gnome. I feel like my expensive laptop is hobbled. It feels like a slow $100 android tablet instead of a powerful computer. I can't customize anything about the desktop. Everything is buried under layers and layers of menus and all the apps are in jumbled lists. I installed several other desktops, icewm, lxde, kde, etc. I've never really liked KDE, but it seems to have decided to go in much of the same direction gnome has (and windows 8, so maybe just maybe someone at gnome should do some serious thinking about that, if you find you are doing the same thing microsoft is doing that should be a ). I like using LXDE and some of the other alternative on older, low-power machines, but most still have a hodge-podge look that screams windows 95. Icewm was my favorite in the early 0x, but they lost me when icepref disappeared. Anywhoo. xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. Do what I did. I don't like GNOME 3 (or desktops environments, in general) either, but I do want a GUI. So, along with Wheezy, I just installed a window manager, Openbox, and LXPanel, and I've got a lean, fast GUI that breathes life into this aging machine of mine. My old laptop (the one I'm writing this on) has squeeze with gnome 2.30.2. Is there anyway to get an actual gnome *desktop* on wheezy sans all this metro-esque crap? Maybe, when Wheezy goes stable, there'll be a backport of GNOME 2. Just a thought since so many users hate 3. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1366777261.12525.yahoomail...@web142304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Wheezy Sleezy Gnome
On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 19:08 -0700, cletusjenkins wrote: xfce looks the best of the bunch to me. Xfce4 has got to many GNOME dependencies. I'm using it since years, but I don't like it, I just couldn't find a good DE until now. Things for Xfce4 are as often broken, as they are for GNOME, assumed you expect a GNOME2/Xfce4 workflow. What I call broken, others might call features. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1366782993.699.66.camel@archlinux
