Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 7:02 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > El jue, 25 mar 2021 a las 17:31, Kenneth Parker () > escribió: > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 12:09 PM David Wright > wrote: > >> But it appears that I might need to point out that it's very easy and > >> quick to re-collect a failing installation log at any time if the > >> "original" ones were lost/overwritten or whatever: > >> > >> 1. Boot with the appropriate installation medium. > >> > >> 2. Proceed with expert installation in the original manner, > >> as far as the "Detect Network Hardware", which of course fails. > >> > >> 3. After the failure, and back at the Main Menu, select > >> "Save debug logs". > >> > >> 4. Insert a USB stick, switch to VC2, mount the stick and create > >> a directory on it. > >> > >> 5. Back at VC1, complete the directory name at the prompt and > >> save the logs. (ls on VC2 if you want to check them.) > >> > >> 6. Select "Abort the installation". All that should have taken > >> about five or ten minutes so far. > >> > >> 7. Read/edit/post excerpts from the logs at leisure. (That's when > >> it helps to know what strings you're looking for.) > > > > > > Since the actual logs from the Install are small, I proceeded, up to # > 6. And then, tarred the resulting directory, and sent it to the Bug Report. > > > >> That's what's lacking from the bug report. > > > > > > Hopefully, this will help. > > Thank you, Mr. Kenneth Parker. > > I noticed in the "syslog" that modprobe couldn't find the module > "rtw_8723de" > that was not listed on the "hardware-summary"; instead, lsmod shows > "rtw88_8723de". > Then, the module "r8169" tried to load the firmware but that module > belongs to the > GbE card. > > I think I'll be sending this to the bug report. > Thank you! Have a nice day. > You too. > > -- > Time zone: GMT-4 > Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
El jue, 25 mar 2021 a las 17:31, Kenneth Parker () escribió: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 12:09 PM David Wright wrote: >> But it appears that I might need to point out that it's very easy and >> quick to re-collect a failing installation log at any time if the >> "original" ones were lost/overwritten or whatever: >> >> 1. Boot with the appropriate installation medium. >> >> 2. Proceed with expert installation in the original manner, >> as far as the "Detect Network Hardware", which of course fails. >> >> 3. After the failure, and back at the Main Menu, select >> "Save debug logs". >> >> 4. Insert a USB stick, switch to VC2, mount the stick and create >> a directory on it. >> >> 5. Back at VC1, complete the directory name at the prompt and >> save the logs. (ls on VC2 if you want to check them.) >> >> 6. Select "Abort the installation". All that should have taken >> about five or ten minutes so far. >> >> 7. Read/edit/post excerpts from the logs at leisure. (That's when >> it helps to know what strings you're looking for.) > > > Since the actual logs from the Install are small, I proceeded, up to # 6. > And then, tarred the resulting directory, and sent it to the Bug Report. > >> That's what's lacking from the bug report. > > > Hopefully, this will help. Thank you, Mr. Kenneth Parker. I noticed in the "syslog" that modprobe couldn't find the module "rtw_8723de" that was not listed on the "hardware-summary"; instead, lsmod shows "rtw88_8723de". Then, the module "r8169" tried to load the firmware but that module belongs to the GbE card. I think I'll be sending this to the bug report. Have a nice day. -- Time zone: GMT-4
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 12:09 PM David Wright wrote: > On Wed 24 Mar 2021 at 22:25:42 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:52:31 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > > > > ... [W]e haven't yet been shown any direct evidence of > > > which module drives the 8723, nor of what firmware it uses. > > > (These can easily be determined from dmesg when the installed > > > system is running.) > > > > Also, more detail from /var/log/syslog while d-i is running, and > > from /var/log/installer/ after installation is complete. > > Yes, that was my very next sentence, which you snipped: "This should > allow a more focussed report from the installation logs (of which > we've seen nothing IIRC)." > > But it appears that I might need to point out that it's very easy and > quick to re-collect a failing installation log at any time if the > "original" ones were lost/overwritten or whatever: > > 1. Boot with the appropriate installation medium. > > 2. Proceed with expert installation in the original manner, > as far as the "Detect Network Hardware", which of course fails. > > 3. After the failure, and back at the Main Menu, select > "Save debug logs". > > 4. Insert a USB stick, switch to VC2, mount the stick and create > a directory on it. > > 5. Back at VC1, complete the directory name at the prompt and > save the logs. (ls on VC2 if you want to check them.) > > 6. Select "Abort the installation". All that should have taken > about five or ten minutes so far. > > 7. Read/edit/post excerpts from the logs at leisure. (That's when > it helps to know what strings you're looking for.) > Since the actual logs from the Install are small, I proceeded, up to # 6. And then, tarred the resulting directory, and sent it to the Bug Report. That's what's lacking from the bug report. > Hopefully, this will help. > > The OP wrote "The Problem is Recreated. It's hard to figure out how > to describe something so early in the Install Process." > > That's how you do it. > I overlooked the presence of the Debug Logs. > > Cheers, > David. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
2021-03-25 15:01 GMT-04:00, Charles Curley : > On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:52:31 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > >> My newly oldest computer, an Acer TravelMate 3201XCi, >> built in 2004, contains one of these. If it's of any use to Charles, >> I can warn that this laptop has the annoying habit of booting up >> with the wifi blocked. (It has a pair of insanely placed toggling >> buttons/lights for wifi and bluetooth, and I've never figured out >> what the wifi light correlates with.) I know nothing about the R51 >> and whether there are any firmware buttons or function keys that >> would affect its wifi. > > A good thought, thank you. A careful inspection of the computer and > search of the Hardware Maintenance Manual reveal no such physical > switch. There is a function key switch which relies on OS support to > actually do anything, and I doubt that is active in d-i. I also have an Acer minilaptop. It also has a WiFi on/off hotkey (Fn+F3). The led that belongs to the WiFi state is the fourth. The difference here is that it works from startup. If the WiFi is disabled through this hotkey, Windows has no way to reenable it, though it knows that the WiFi is disabled this way.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
I agree with Mr. Charles Curley and Mr. David Wright. Following those advices will help more the "debugging" process.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:52:31 -0500 David Wright wrote: > My newly oldest computer, an Acer TravelMate 3201XCi, > built in 2004, contains one of these. If it's of any use to Charles, > I can warn that this laptop has the annoying habit of booting up > with the wifi blocked. (It has a pair of insanely placed toggling > buttons/lights for wifi and bluetooth, and I've never figured out > what the wifi light correlates with.) I know nothing about the R51 > and whether there are any firmware buttons or function keys that > would affect its wifi. A good thought, thank you. A careful inspection of the computer and search of the Hardware Maintenance Manual reveal no such physical switch. There is a function key switch which relies on OS support to actually do anything, and I doubt that is active in d-i. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Wed 24 Mar 2021 at 22:25:42 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:52:31 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > > ... [W]e haven't yet been shown any direct evidence of > > which module drives the 8723, nor of what firmware it uses. > > (These can easily be determined from dmesg when the installed > > system is running.) > > Also, more detail from /var/log/syslog while d-i is running, and > from /var/log/installer/ after installation is complete. Yes, that was my very next sentence, which you snipped: "This should allow a more focussed report from the installation logs (of which we've seen nothing IIRC)." But it appears that I might need to point out that it's very easy and quick to re-collect a failing installation log at any time if the "original" ones were lost/overwritten or whatever: 1. Boot with the appropriate installation medium. 2. Proceed with expert installation in the original manner, as far as the "Detect Network Hardware", which of course fails. 3. After the failure, and back at the Main Menu, select "Save debug logs". 4. Insert a USB stick, switch to VC2, mount the stick and create a directory on it. 5. Back at VC1, complete the directory name at the prompt and save the logs. (ls on VC2 if you want to check them.) 6. Select "Abort the installation". All that should have taken about five or ten minutes so far. 7. Read/edit/post excerpts from the logs at leisure. (That's when it helps to know what strings you're looking for.) That's what's lacking from the bug report. The OP wrote "The Problem is Recreated. It's hard to figure out how to describe something so early in the Install Process." That's how you do it. Cheers, David.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:52:31 -0500 David Wright wrote: > ... [W]e haven't yet been shown any direct evidence of > which module drives the 8723, nor of what firmware it uses. > (These can easily be determined from dmesg when the installed > system is running.) Also, more detail from /var/log/syslog while d-i is running, and from /var/log/installer/ after installation is complete. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Wed 24 Mar 2021 at 17:58:58 (-0400), Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I saw the bug report. Mr. Charles Curley provided relevant information > about the installation process stored on log files. Perhaps it would be good > to follow Mr. David Wright's advice, you could help with bug-fixing process > sending some installation log information to narrow what the developers > should be looking for. As for the reproduction of the bug, I think one > would need a similar hardware configuration to reach the problem; > at least you need the WiFi device, so it would be good if you could provide > more details, if you have the time, of course. I've just looked at bug report #985755 and there are, currently, a mere four occurrences of the string 8723, only one of which is actually in the text. Most of the logs appear to be about the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG device, its module ipw2200 and firmware ipw2200-bss.fw. My newly oldest computer, an Acer TravelMate 3201XCi, built in 2004, contains one of these. If it's of any use to Charles, I can warn that this laptop has the annoying habit of booting up with the wifi blocked. (It has a pair of insanely placed toggling buttons/lights for wifi and bluetooth, and I've never figured out what the wifi light correlates with.) I know nothing about the R51 and whether there are any firmware buttons or function keys that would affect its wifi. As far as "my advice" is concerned (which really arose from an apparent difference in how the d-i firmware is loaded in wheezy and buster), we haven't yet been shown any direct evidence of which module drives the 8723, nor of what firmware it uses. (These can easily be determined from dmesg when the installed system is running.) This should allow a more focussed report from the installation logs (of which we've seen nothing IIRC). Cheers, David.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
Hi. I saw the bug report. Mr. Charles Curley provided relevant information about the installation process stored on log files. Perhaps it would be good to follow Mr. David Wright's advice, you could help with bug-fixing process sending some installation log information to narrow what the developers should be looking for. As for the reproduction of the bug, I think one would need a similar hardware configuration to reach the problem; at least you need the WiFi device, so it would be good if you could provide more details, if you have the time, of course. Have a good day.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 6:03 AM Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 20:26:47 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem" > > Indeed. I should not have offered the advice in that manner > and tone. Aplologies. > Absolutely accepted. No problem. > > -- > Brian. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 20:26:47 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem" Indeed. I should not have offered the advice in that manner and tone. Aplologies. -- Brian.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
Thanks. I submitted "how to Recreate". Text file of submission is in another reply. Kenneth Parker On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 9:11 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:26:47PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem". > > > > The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list". Is that true? Can I > > "submit updates"? > > Yes, you can reply to the bug to add information to the bug report. > Anyone can. > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
I submitted the following Text to Bug 985755. Text File has How to Recreate the Problem. Kenneth Parker 1. Have Laptop, with the following WiFi Hardware (as per lspci Command): > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter 2. Use Netinst CD to begin an Install. I tried this with many different ones, from Buster, Bullseye, Bullseye with Non-Free, Sid. 3. Follow Instructions up to Network Configuration. Note: I have used both Text Installer and Expert Text Installer. 4. Offending Step is, "Detect Network Hardware". It takes about a minute wait, before something, perhaps times out, and it returns, sure that there is ONLY an Ethernet Port on the Laptop. The Problem is Recreated. It's hard to figure out how to describe something so early in the Install Process. Hopefully, this helps. Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:26:47PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem". > > The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list". Is that true? Can I > "submit updates"? Yes, you can reply to the bug to add information to the bug report. Anyone can.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:51:18 + Brian wrote: > > I'm not so sure that's a tangent, as d-i appears to use > > wpasupplicant to set up connections. > > How can it set up a connection if there isn't an interface to connect > to? Because I'm not sure that's what's happening. What I see (using the firmware unofficial d-i) is that the appropriate driver is loaded, the appropriate firmware is loaded, and wpasupplicant is loaded and running. But when it comes to running netcfg, netcfg cannot connect to wpasupplicant. If something else is going on in the OP's setup, he would need wpasupplicant once he solved that problem. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:58 PM Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 18:12:08 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < > > charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > > > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > > > > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > > > able to provide more data. > > > > > > > Submitted. Bug#985755. > > > > As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode. > > Pretty useless as it stands. It basically says - something doesn't > work. No mention of this thread; no mention of whether a kernel module > was loaded; no mention of firmware. > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem". The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list". Is that true? Can I "submit updates"? > > But maybe someone will put the time in to investigate. > -- > Brian. > Thanks! Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:52 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:44:12 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the > > pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. > > *You* can't find wpasupplicant, or the debian installer (d-i) can't > find wpasupplicant? My logs indicate that it is present, that d-i > installs it, but that netcfg can't find it when it needs it. > Actually, there were User Errors included here. I couldn't find the packages I needed to bring up WiFi, after manual installation of Firmware. The User Error was my failure to look in the packages available but not installed, on the netinst CD itself. One obvious way to proceed is to ensure that the netinst CD is still in the Apt Sources file. > > > > My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard" > > netinst. Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for > > WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb > > files. (Just thought of it now). > > The "standard" approved, official, rubber stamped and delivered in a > official dispatch box has no firmware binary blobs on it. The > unofficial version indeed has the firmware blobs on it (unless the one > you need is too new to have made it in), and the code to detect the > need and apply it. > > I am using the unofficial, with firmware version, > firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso, dated Mar 14 23:28. On my > problematic hardware (an ancient 686 IBM R51), the firmware I need is > present and gets installed properly. But I still do not get a > connection. > I believe that we are in the same boat, right now. Thanks for the help and support, Charles. Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 18:12:08 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < > charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > > able to provide more data. > > > > Submitted. Bug#985755. > > As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode. Pretty useless as it stands. It basically says - something doesn't work. No mention of this thread; no mention of whether a kernel module was loaded; no mention of firmware. But maybe someone will put the time in to investigate. -- Brian.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:44:12 -0400 Kenneth Parker wrote: > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the > pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. *You* can't find wpasupplicant, or the debian installer (d-i) can't find wpasupplicant? My logs indicate that it is present, that d-i installs it, but that netcfg can't find it when it needs it. > > My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard" > netinst. Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for > WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb > files. (Just thought of it now). The "standard" approved, official, rubber stamped and delivered in a official dispatch box has no firmware binary blobs on it. The unofficial version indeed has the firmware blobs on it (unless the one you need is too new to have made it in), and the code to detect the need and apply it. I am using the unofficial, with firmware version, firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso, dated Mar 14 23:28. On my problematic hardware (an ancient 686 IBM R51), the firmware I need is present and gets installed properly. But I still do not get a connection. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 16:33:03 -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:59:33 + > Brian wrote: > > > > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the > > > pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. > > > > Tangential. > > I'm not so sure that's a tangent, as d-i appears to use wpasupplicant to > set up connections. How can it set up a connection if there isn't an interface to connect to? -- Brian.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:59:33 + Brian wrote: > > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the > > pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. > > Tangential. I'm not so sure that's a tangent, as d-i appears to use wpasupplicant to set up connections. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > able to provide more data. > Submitted. Bug#985755. As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode. Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 16:44:12 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < > charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > > able to provide more data. > > > > I am still mucking around, trying to get WiFi working. > > I guess that I should put in a "narrow" Bug Report, about netinst not > finding RTL8723DE and then go back to my attempts to get WiFi working. My netinst (bullseye) knows about rtw88_8723de. modinfo tells me. > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the pieces, > needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. Tangential. -- Brian.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 4:40 PM Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 14:52:26 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM Andrei POPESCU > > > wrote: > > [...] > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after > > > completing the installation. > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > You have a prima facie case for that (I checked with the Debian > Bullseye Netinst CD). Have you checkd the relevant nodules have > been loaded? Have you tried loading firmware as David Wright > outlines? > I loaded "incomplete" (I think) firmware and, as noted in my response to Charles, am fighting with getting the commands, needed to navigate WiFi. But it sounds like a good time to go back to a networked system and figure out how to put in an intelligent Bug Report. > Brian. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > able to provide more data. > I am still mucking around, trying to get WiFi working. I guess that I should put in a "narrow" Bug Report, about netinst not finding RTL8723DE and then go back to my attempts to get WiFi working. My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard" netinst. Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb files. (Just thought of it now). Thanks, Charles. Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 14:52:26 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM Andrei POPESCU > wrote: [...] > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after > > completing the installation. > > > > That's next on my list. You have a prima facie case for that (I checked with the Debian Bullseye Netinst CD). Have you checkd the relevant nodules have been loaded? Have you tried loading firmware as David Wright outlines? -- Brian.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 Kenneth Parker wrote: > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > after completing the installation. > > > > That's next on my list. Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be able to provide more data. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 21 mar 21, 20:17:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian wrote: > > > > No good. I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" - > > Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50" > > (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install). > > Try a more recent weekly image, it should have a slightly newer kernel. > Done. Debian "Bullseye" Official Snapshot amd64 Netinst 20210315-93:04 > > One note: It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step, > > before continuing, and only finding Ethernet. > Same behavior. > So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter? (After Installation, > > I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works). > Note: This is an "Over-Simplification" of Agonizing Work, to get to where I was. For example, "lspci" is what gives me the Adapter Information. The first place where I got this Adapter to work was Mint 20. However, in preparation for helping my friend, I got Firmware and Drivers, using only a Bullseye KDE System, via the Non-Free routes. Maybe it triggers a bug in the D-I and/or kernel in the images you tried > so far. > I concur, based on my latest Install attempt. And, by the way, using only the Minimal Sid system, "ip a" gives no info AT ALL about the WiFi Adapter. If the latest weekly shows the same symptoms... It does... > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after > completing the installation. > That's next on my list. Kind regards, > Andrei > Many thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 09:39:54 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 21:48:30 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 9:24 PM Robbi Nespu wrote: > > > On 22/3/2021 6:27 am, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > > > Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via > > > > a "lspci" command: > > > > > > > > > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE > > > > 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter > > > > > > > > So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, > > > > first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster > > > > 10.3 NetInst CD. > > > > > > > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > > > > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > > > > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for > > > > the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the > > > > Network Configuration fails! > > > > > > > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > > > > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > > > > where it is asking for it. > > > > > > > Does the installer said missing firmware? or nothing at all? > > > > > It sits for, about a minute in the "Detect Network Hardware" step. Then, > > when it continues, only the Ethernet Port is detected. It does not, even > > *ask* about Firmware. So, nothing at all. > > > > So, for my purposes, install without network is the best that I can do. > > And then, in the running system, install the Firmware. > > So I assume that the running system finds the modules, loads them and > also some firmware for them (perhaps even rtl8723defw.bin?), yes? > > If so, then it's worth knowing what the installer found. The file on > your installed system /var/log/installer/hardware-summary has its > lsmod output in the third section, after lspci and usb-list. > > If they're found, then /var/log/installer/syslog (considerably larger) > should show the module (the rtl one) being loaded, followed by the > firmware. If you saw no messages on the console, then it's perfectly > possible that the module and its firmware were found and loaded > successfully, but they just didn't make the wifi work, which would be > a completely different bug. > > If you've time to spare, you could of course retry the installer > *without* the firmware on a stick, deliberately provoking the module > (if it gets loaded) to complain. These "forensic" observations would > narrow the scope of potential bugs. All good advice. I think the modules that should be loaded are rtw88_8723de, rtw88_8723d, rtw88_core and rtw88_pci. After doing the "Detect Network Hardware" step the OP could use 'lsmod' in a console. The buster d-i kernel does not have these modules. -- Brian.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 21:48:30 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 9:24 PM Robbi Nespu wrote: > > On 22/3/2021 6:27 am, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via > > > a "lspci" command: > > > > > > > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE > > > 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter > > > > > > So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, > > > first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster > > > 10.3 NetInst CD. > > > > > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > > > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > > > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for > > > the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the > > > Network Configuration fails! > > > > > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > > > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > > > where it is asking for it. > > > > > Does the installer said missing firmware? or nothing at all? > > > It sits for, about a minute in the "Detect Network Hardware" step. Then, > when it continues, only the Ethernet Port is detected. It does not, even > *ask* about Firmware. So, nothing at all. > > So, for my purposes, install without network is the best that I can do. > And then, in the running system, install the Firmware. So I assume that the running system finds the modules, loads them and also some firmware for them (perhaps even rtl8723defw.bin?), yes? If so, then it's worth knowing what the installer found. The file on your installed system /var/log/installer/hardware-summary has its lsmod output in the third section, after lspci and usb-list. If they're found, then /var/log/installer/syslog (considerably larger) should show the module (the rtl one) being loaded, followed by the firmware. If you saw no messages on the console, then it's perfectly possible that the module and its firmware were found and loaded successfully, but they just didn't make the wifi work, which would be a completely different bug. If you've time to spare, you could of course retry the installer *without* the firmware on a stick, deliberately provoking the module (if it gets loaded) to complain. These "forensic" observations would narrow the scope of potential bugs. Cheers, David.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Du, 21 mar 21, 20:17:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian wrote: > > No good. I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" - > Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50" > (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install). Try a more recent weekly image, it should have a slightly newer kernel. > One note: It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step, > before continuing, and only finding Ethernet. > > So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter? (After Installation, > I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works). Maybe it triggers a bug in the D-I and/or kernel in the images you tried so far. If the latest weekly shows the same symptoms I'd suggest you file a bug against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after completing the installation. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 9:24 PM Robbi Nespu wrote: > On 22/3/2021 6:27 am, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo > > Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi > available. > > > > Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via > > a "lspci" command: > > > > > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE > > 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter > > > > So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, > > first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster > > 10.3 NetInst CD. > > > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for > > the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the > > Network Configuration fails! > > > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > > where it is asking for it. > > > > Any Insights? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Kenneth Parker > Does the installer said missing firmware? or nothing at all? > It sits for, about a minute in the "Detect Network Hardware" step. Then, when it continues, only the Ethernet Port is detected. It does not, even *ask* about Firmware. So, nothing at all. if the installer said missing firmware, you may take look my previous > thread[2] (my solution are here[2]) > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00727.html > [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00766.html So, for my purposes, install without network is the best that I can do. And then, in the running system, install the Firmware. Thanks! Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 18:27:22 (-0400), Kenneth Parker wrote: > > Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo > Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi available. > > Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via a > "lspci" command: > > > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n > PCIe Adapter > > So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, > first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster > 10.3 NetInst CD. > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the > purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network > Configuration fails! > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > where it is asking for it. > > Any Insights? The tests I carried out at the end of last month showed that whereas wheezy's installer could find "loose files" of firmware on a USB stick, buster's was unable to. So the choice nowadays seems to be either to copy .deb files of firmware onto a USB stick, or to copy the loose files into the real /lib/firmware directory any time before the "Detect Network Hardware" step. You might have to create /lib/firmware, and any subdirectory that the firmware habitually inhabits, eg /lib/firmware/rtlwifi for rtl8192*. Cheers, David.
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On 22/3/2021 6:27 am, Kenneth Parker wrote: Hello, Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi available. Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via a "lspci" command: > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster 10.3 NetInst CD. In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network Configuration fails! I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, where it is asking for it. Any Insights? Thanks in advance! Kenneth Parker Does the installer said missing firmware? or nothing at all? if the installer said missing firmware, you may take look my previous thread[2] (my solution are here[2]) [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00727.html [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00766.html -- Email : Robbi Nespu PGP fingerprint : D311 B5FF EEE6 0BE8 9C91 FA9E 0C81 FA30 3B3A 80BA PGP key : https://keybase.io/robbinespu/pgp_keys.asc
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On 3/21/21 3:27 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: Hello, Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi available. Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via a "lspci" command: Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster 10.3 NetInst CD. In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network Configuration fails! I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, where it is asking for it. Any Insights? I cannot explain why the d-i is not prompting for the Wi-Fi adapter firmware, but I would use a complete installation image, ignore Wi-Fi, and then add Wi-Fi afterwards: https://www.debian.org/CD/ David
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian wrote: > On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 18:27:22 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > [...] > > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for > the > > purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network > > Configuration fails! > > > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > > where it is asking for it. > > > > Any Insights? > > Try an official unofficial image linked at > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/ No good. I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50" (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install). One note: It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step, before continuing, and only finding Ethernet. So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter? (After Installation, I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works). Thanks in advance, Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 18:27:22 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: [...] > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the > purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network > Configuration fails! > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > where it is asking for it. > > Any Insights? Try an official unofficial image linked at https://www.debian.org/distrib/ -- Brian.
WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
Hello, Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi available. Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via a "lspci" command: > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster 10.3 NetInst CD. In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network Configuration fails! I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, where it is asking for it. Any Insights? Thanks in advance! Kenneth Parker
