Re: Windows 10 & Debian 9: Win 10 not updating

2019-02-01 Thread Tom Browder
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 16:08 Scarletdown  wrote:
> On 1/31/2019 2:02 PM, Tom Browder wrote:
> > Problem: Neither Win 10 OS has been able to successfully update since
> > about last April. I have tried all the things I have found in an
...
>> Has anyone had the same problem (no Win 10 updates) with dual-bootable 
>> Debian 9?

> It's not a userside problem...
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/01/31/1921211/many-windows-10-users-unable-to-connect-to-windows-update-service

Thanks for the link, but that’s not my problem. I should have been
more specific:

Windows downloads the update successfully. but it cannot finish the
installation for some reason and gives an MS error code, then it rolls
back to the pre-update checkpoint.

I have seen at least two different error codes and searched for the
fix--following the published fixes hasn’t yet worked.

Two very experienced Linux guys I know say the problem lies with
Windows and either secure boot or UEFI, and we’re going to look into
that at our Linux user group meeting on Monday. Perhaps they can fix
my laptop! If successful, I will report back.

Best regards,

-Tom



Re: Windows 10 & Debian 9: Win 10 not updating

2019-01-31 Thread Alexandre Rossi



Hi,

>Problem: Neither Win 10 OS has been able to successfully update since
>about last April. I have tried all the things I have found in an
>Internet search, including making sure the Win partition is marked
>boot-able, and downloading and running the Win 10 trouble shooter--all
>to no avail.

A while ago I had found out that bypassing grub, that is boot to Windows using 
the bios boot menu, helped some specific win7 updates get installed.

Maybe this is the same here.

Good luck.

Alex



Re: Windows 10 & Debian 9: Win 10 not updating

2019-01-31 Thread Felix Miata
Tom Browder composed on 2019-01-31 16:02 (UTC-0600):

> I have a new Win 10 Pro installation (from an MS DVD) on a PC upon
> which I then installed Deb 9 as a second OS dual-bootable.  Boot
> selection works fine with either OS.

> I have an old Win 10 installation (upgraded from the original Win 7)
> on a laptop upon which I originally installed Deb 7 dual-bootable (the
> Deb 7 was in-place upgraded to Deb 8, then Deb 9).  Boot selection
> works fine with either OS.

> Both computers are 64-bit with grub2 and of four standard partitions
> and one or more extended ones. Both computers have an abundance of HD
> space on boot and main partitions for each OS.

> Problem: Neither Win 10 OS has been able to successfully update since
> about last April. I have tried all the things I have found in an
> Internet search, including making sure the Win partition is marked
> boot-able, and downloading and running the Win 10 trouble shooter--all
> to no avail.

> I should have asked here first, but at last I'm here.

> Has anyone had the same problem (no Win 10 updates) with dual-bootable Debian 
> 9?

You seem to be describing a common problem. On MBR installations, certain 
Windows updates require
Windows be able to reboot it's way, without any interposition from foreign code 
presence on the
MBR, with a boot flag on its boot partition, and only on its boot partition. 
It's a problem that
long predates Win10, going back at least to Vista if not XP.

This is a minor problem for those whose multiboot installations are configured 
to use
Windows-compatible code on the MBR. It's a simple matter of moving the boot 
flag long enough for
Windows to do what it wants, and then putting it back afterwards so that any 
Gnu bootloader can
work normally. Since none of my many multiboot installations put anything other 
than
Windows-compatible code on any MBR, I have no experience from which to describe 
specifics of any
workaround.

https://old-en.opensuse.org/Bugs/grub#How_does_a_PC_boot_.2F_How_can_I_set_up_a_working_GRUB.3F
describes in simple terms how my multiboot systems are configured.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/



Re: Windows 10 & Debian 9: Win 10 not updating

2019-01-31 Thread Scarletdown

On 1/31/2019 2:02 PM, Tom Browder wrote:

Problem: Neither Win 10 OS has been able to successfully update since
about last April. I have tried all the things I have found in an
Internet search, including making sure the Win partition is marked
boot-able, and downloading and running the Win 10 trouble shooter--all
to no avail.

I should have asked here first, but at last I'm here.

Has anyone had the same problem (no Win 10 updates) with dual-bootable Debian 9?


It's not a userside problem...


https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/01/31/1921211/many-windows-10-users-unable-to-connect-to-windows-update-service 





Windows 10 & Debian 9: Win 10 not updating

2019-01-31 Thread Tom Browder
I have a new Win 10 Pro installation (from an MS DVD) on a PC upon
which I then installed Deb 9 as a second OS dual-bootable.  Boot
selection works fine with either OS.

I have an old Win 10 installation (upgraded from the original Win 7)
on a laptop upon which I originally installed Deb 7 dual-bootable (the
Deb 7 was in-place upgraded to Deb 8, then Deb 9).  Boot selection
works fine with either OS.

Both computers are 64-bit with grub2 and of four standard partitions
and one or more extended ones. Both computers have an abundance of HD
space on boot and main partitions for each OS.

Problem: Neither Win 10 OS has been able to successfully update since
about last April. I have tried all the things I have found in an
Internet search, including making sure the Win partition is marked
boot-able, and downloading and running the Win 10 trouble shooter--all
to no avail.

I should have asked here first, but at last I'm here.

Has anyone had the same problem (no Win 10 updates) with dual-bootable Debian 9?

Thanks.

Best regards,

-Tom