Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 09:56:37PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: | On 7 May 2002, Mario Vukelic wrote: | | > Also, especially in the release process of woody I find this highly | > inconvenient :) I would sleep better knowing that I track "woody", not | > "testing", when a new "testing" can pop up over night, and "woody" | > suddenly means "stable" | | I think that third, special tree goes away for a few weeks while the | maintainers start actively grinding on unstable again, until someone | decides, "Hey, we're ready to move forward again," in which we get a new | fork off of unstable which gets called some name for a while that I | can't remember before renamed to testing, and later, stable. I think that's the old-school release mechanism (developed when "testing" didn't exist). I think the new mechanism is to have "testing" rebranded as "stable" at some point, but otherwise remain unchanged. The effect is that, for a while, testing==stable (this time sarge==woody) until the latest updates in sid propagate their way down. The theory is that that will eliminate the stop-and-wait bottleneck with the old process. -D -- [Perl] combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski "Don't use C; In my opinion, C is a library programming language not an app programming language." - Owen Taylor (GTK+ developer) GnuPG key : http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/public_key.gpg pgpTZbwZiqdjD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On 7 May 2002, Mario Vukelic wrote: > Also, especially in the release process of woody I find this highly > inconvenient :) I would sleep better knowing that I track "woody", not > "testing", when a new "testing" can pop up over night, and "woody" > suddenly means "stable" I think that third, special tree goes away for a few weeks while the maintainers start actively grinding on unstable again, until someone decides, "Hey, we're ready to move forward again," in which we get a new fork off of unstable which gets called some name for a while that I can't remember before renamed to testing, and later, stable. -- Baloo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:21:07PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 19:56, dman wrote: > > > What if you use "testing" and "unstable" instead of "woody" and "sid" > > in your preferences file? There was some discussion on that recently, > > and some people said using names doesn't work. I've only tried with > > the description and haven't had problems. > > Works with "testing" and "unstable" (both in sources.list and > preferences). Thanks. Any idea why this is? Why? I think apt designer thought that is the RIGHT way. See some bug archives. I think it would be nice but after reading previous bug reports, I did not bother. Anyway, there is not much negative and documentation example only use testing, unstable, ... -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki @ Cupertino CA USA See "User's Guide": http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ See "Debian reference": http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ "Debian reference" Project at: http://qref.sf.net I welcome your constructive criticisms and corrections. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 02:05, James D Strandboge wrote: > If you put in /etc/apt/preferences just: > Package: * > Pin: release a=unstable > Pin-Priority: 50 > > and have both testing and unstable lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, it > will work as you want. It has worked for more than 1 year with my original setup. It also works now with my original setup, when I use testing/unstable instead of woody/sid. But it has always worked with woody/sid, until 3 days ago. And it makes sense that woody/sid works, since I want to track woody and /not/ testing, especially in a time when the definition of testing will change. I.e., woody == stable soon. Then I want to track woody, not a new testing. -- I did not vote for the Austrian government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 21:54, Vineet Kumar wrote: > my guess would be that the > package metadata includes a line that says something to the effect of > "Release: testing" instead of "Release: woody", so apt only works with > "testing" because that's what matches. > > I don't think this has changed recently. I remember trying a long time > ago and finding the same: it only works with "testing", not "woody". > Maybe it has looked like it was working, but you were really pulling in > packages from unstable and just didn't realize it? No. I'm positive it did work. -- I did not vote for the Austrian government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 13:01, Mario Vukelic wrote: > *** /etc/apt/preferences with this content: > Package:* > Pin: release a=woody > Pin-Priority: 900 > > Package: * > Pin: release a=sid > Pin-Priority: 600 > If you put in /etc/apt/preferences just: Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 50 and have both testing and unstable lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, it will work as you want. Jamie Strandboge -- Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG/PGP ID: 26384A3A Fingerprint: D9FF DF4A 2D46 A353 A289 E8F5 AA75 DCBE 2638 4A3A signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
* Mario Vukelic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020507 12:41]: > On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 21:27, Gary Hennigan wrote: > > > Are you using apt's release capability to determine which version to > > use? In my sources.list I use woody and sid, but I had to use > > > > APT::Default-Release "testing"; > > I used the preferences file and pins, and this has worked forever It should work as long as you use "testing" instead of "woody". I'm not an authoritative source as to "why?", but my guess would be that the package metadata includes a line that says something to the effect of "Release: testing" instead of "Release: woody", so apt only works with "testing" because that's what matches. I don't think this has changed recently. I remember trying a long time ago and finding the same: it only works with "testing", not "woody". Maybe it has looked like it was working, but you were really pulling in packages from unstable and just didn't realize it? good times, Vineet -- Currently seeking opportunities in the SF Bay Area Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume.shtml pgpyd7sUiSD1Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 19:56, dman wrote: > There was some discussion on that recently, > and some people said using names doesn't work. I've only tried with > the description and haven't had problems. Also, especially in the release process of woody I find this highly inconvenient :) I would sleep better knowing that I track "woody", not "testing", when a new "testing" can pop up over night, and "woody" suddenly means "stable" -- I did not vote for the Austrian government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 21:27, Gary Hennigan wrote: > Are you using apt's release capability to determine which version to > use? In my sources.list I use woody and sid, but I had to use > > APT::Default-Release "testing"; I used the preferences file and pins, and this has worked forever -- I did not vote for the Austrian government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
"Mario Vukelic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 19:56, dman wrote: > > > What if you use "testing" and "unstable" instead of "woody" and "sid" > > in your preferences file? There was some discussion on that recently, > > and some people said using names doesn't work. I've only tried with > > the description and haven't had problems. > > Works with "testing" and "unstable" (both in sources.list and > preferences). Thanks. Any idea why this is? Are you using apt's release capability to determine which version to use? In my sources.list I use woody and sid, but I had to use APT::Default-Release "testing"; in my apt.conf file, otherwise I saw the same behavior as you, apt trying to pull in a bunch of sid stuff. Gary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 19:56, dman wrote: > What if you use "testing" and "unstable" instead of "woody" and "sid" > in your preferences file? There was some discussion on that recently, > and some people said using names doesn't work. I've only tried with > the description and haven't had problems. Works with "testing" and "unstable" (both in sources.list and preferences). Thanks. Any idea why this is? -- I did not vote for the Austrian government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 07:01:28PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: | Hi, | | I'm running woody. | | For as lon as I remember I had this setup: | | *** Both woody and sid (by name) deb-lines in /etc/apt/sources.list | | *** /etc/apt/preferences with this content: | Package:* | Pin: release a=woody | Pin-Priority: 900 | | Package: * | Pin: release a=sid | Pin-Priority: 600 What if you use "testing" and "unstable" instead of "woody" and "sid" in your preferences file? There was some discussion on that recently, and some people said using names doesn't work. I've only tried with the description and haven't had problems. | I've tried to rm /etc/apt/preferences, but this changes nothing. Of course. If you don't have any preference that says sid is less desirable than woody, and sid has a newer version of a package, apt will prefer that one. HTH, -D -- Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with. -- Dave Parnas GnuPG key : http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/public_key.gpg pgpoi6U4X2lvx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?
Hi, I'm running woody. For as lon as I remember I had this setup: *** Both woody and sid (by name) deb-lines in /etc/apt/sources.list *** /etc/apt/preferences with this content: Package:* Pin: release a=woody Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=sid Pin-Priority: 600 With this setup I could run woody, but pull in stuff like Moz from sid if I wanted to. Never had a prob. But, a couple (2? 3?) days ago when I did "apt-get upgrade", suddenly apt wants to pull > 100 MB from sid, even basic packages like libc6. I have no idea why this is so, but suspect it may have something to with the woody release process. I've tried to rm /etc/apt/preferences, but this changes nothing. Of course, if I comment out the deb lines for sid in sources.list, the behavior stops, but this is no solution. Any ideas? Thanks -- I did not vote for the Austrian government -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
