Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
Hi, I've been given the opportunity at my place of work (which is currently a Mandrake shop) to tout Debian. I was intending to use Woody, and have created the 8 CD's. I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Any, question #1: Where can I get a boot disk for Woody that has ext3 support (and a 2.4 kernel). More to the point, where is it _documented_? I rummaged around on this list and found that if you boot off disc 3, you apparently get ext3 (and presumably a 2.4 kernel) however I tried this on the SCSI system that I was playing with and that kernel doesn't support SCSI. and question #2: Is it possible to automate the installation process of Debian at all? Red Hat has KickStart, and Mandrake has some autoinst.img thingy. I'd like to be able to provide a set of packages for it to pre install. Could I create my own task package or something? Is there a set of documentation for customising the installation at all? Any help would be appreciated, I'd really like to see Debian get up here. Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
On Friday 26 April 2002 12:17 am, Andrew Pollock wrote: Hi, I've been given the opportunity at my place of work (which is currently a Mandrake shop) to tout Debian. I was intending to use Woody, and have created the 8 CD's. I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Any, question #1: Where can I get a boot disk for Woody that has ext3 support (and a 2.4 kernel). More to the point, where is it _documented_? I rummaged around on this list and found that if you boot off disc 3, you apparently get ext3 (and presumably a 2.4 kernel) however I tried this on the SCSI system that I was playing with and that kernel doesn't support SCSI. and question #2: Is it possible to automate the installation process of Debian at all? Red Hat has KickStart, and Mandrake has some autoinst.img thingy. I'd like to be able to provide a set of packages for it to pre install. Could I create my own task package or something? apropos the installation, do some research on apt-get and dpkg. once you get the gist, you will never favor any any other installation method. as far as port 25 is concerned, unless you're deliberately running an smtp server, port 25 ain't no issue. otherwise it's access is only vulnerable to the inherent flaws of whatever external smtp server you deliberately enable access to your network setup. as for your employer's reliance on mandrake's security, as far as i remember, mandrake's security is based on the user's arbitrary selection of menu choices described as minimal security, medium security, and maximum security. in the real world, none of these mean jack. straight up, your employer is seriously deluded about security if he recommends mandrake over redhat, and possibly certifiably incompetent if he thinks that debian belongs on his list. mandrake is the distro one recommends only to those who know absolutely goddamn nothing about linux, as a means of having them learn, at the least possible detrimental risk to their emotional welfare, what linux is about. it's toy linux. alternatively, if you're not willing to invest the time in learning how to secure port 25, along with a bunch of other ports, maybe linux is not the path you should take. maybe you'd be better off working with that other os where you don't get to assume responsibility for anything, at all, and where, when the shit hits, as it inevitably does, you can foist off the all too ubiquitous excuse of computer malfunction, rather than the real reason--operator handicap--as an excuse for why those you intended to serve aren't being serviced at this time. mandrake is the ideal desktop-user introduction to linux. it is definitely not the distribution that any seriously market-competitive enterprise should employ. do your own research and kick 'em in the ass. they obviously need it. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
#include hallo.h Andrew Pollock wrote on Fri Apr 26, 2002 um 05:17:28PM: Any, question #1: Where can I get a boot disk for Woody that has ext3 support (and a 2.4 kernel). More to the point, where is it _documented_? I rummaged around on Release notes. With the stable release, you get kernel choice with the first CD. Otherwise, try CD#4 or CD#5. this list and found that if you boot off disc 3, you apparently get ext3 (and presumably a 2.4 kernel) however I tried this on the SCSI system that I was playing with and that kernel doesn't support SCSI. Kernel 2.4 does it, but not many controllers. Is it possible to automate the installation process of Debian at all? Red Hat has KickStart, and Mandrake has some autoinst.img thingy. I'd like to google - search for FAI Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Das wahrlich arnoootische daran ist, das wahrscheinlich _alle_ Regulars diesem Thread absolut faziniert folgen, nur traut sich keiner was zu sagen, weil man die beiden ja offiziell im Killfile hat. Alexander Stielau in de.alt.arnooo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
begin Andrew Pollock quotation: I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Define what they meant by port 25 open. If you don't install an SMTP daemon of any kind, such as sendmail or exim, you won't have anything listening on that port, but open means different things in different contexts. Also, want nothing installed is irrational. If NOTHING is installed, you won't have any ports listening, because you'll have a blank hard drive. You can't say when I installed RedHat (or Mandrake or Debian etc.) I told it to install nothing. It's nonsensical. Either you're misremembering what was said, or the person saying it was very very confused. -- Shawn McMahon| McMahon's Laws of Linux support: http://www.eiv.com | 1) There's more than one way to do it AIM: spmcmahonfedex, smcmahoneiv | 2) Somebody thinks your way is wrong pgpo5IhZ8qwcI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Woody with ext3, 2.4 kernel + custom install questions
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: begin Andrew Pollock quotation: I work for a managed security provider, and one of the reasons that they are using Mandrake over the likes of Red Hat is because of the control Mandrake allows over what gets installed. (i.e. when you say you want nothing, you get exactly that. The exact example that was told to me was with Red Hat you'd say you wanted nothing installed, but the thing would still listen on port 25. I have to say that even a base install of Debian has port 25 open, which is going to unimpress some people here...) Define what they meant by port 25 open. If you don't install an SMTP daemon of any kind, such as sendmail or exim, you won't have anything listening on that port, but open means different things in different contexts. Debian installs exim by default. i.e. it doesn't ask you if you'd like an SMTP server, it installs it. Sure, one of the very next things it asks you is how do you want exim configured, but I believe even if you choose the do nothing response, it leaves exim activated via inetd. Also, want nothing installed is irrational. If NOTHING is installed, you won't have any ports listening, because you'll have a blank hard drive. You can't say when I installed RedHat (or Mandrake or Debian etc.) I told it to install nothing. It's nonsensical. Okay, nothing vs minimalist, meaning you get a bare bones system with just the bare necessities, and anything beyond that you explicitly choose to install. Either you're misremembering what was said, or the person saying it was very very confused. Basically what was said about Red Hat's minimalist install was it included too much. Andrew -- Shawn McMahon| McMahon's Laws of Linux support: http://www.eiv.com | 1) There's more than one way to do it AIM: spmcmahonfedex, smcmahoneiv | 2) Somebody thinks your way is wrong -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
