Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg synaptics touchpad problem?
Adam Porter wrote: Was the kernel upgraded? Check dmesg. Is the kernel module getting loaded? Is it saying anything on boot? All we know right now is that X can't find it. synaptics touchpad works fine on my acer travelmate with 2.6.12 kernel and xorg @ testing (i'm using the synaptics module in xorg). i don't recall any problems, even before using synaptics module in xorg. just worked as an ordinary mouse, iirc. i am not sure about the kernel config, the only thing related to *TOUCH* i could find is CONFIG_INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN=y that is recognized as ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output however i don't know whether it's relevant in this case or not. dmesg: 0x80471b/0x0Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 4.6, id: 0x925ea1, caps: 0x80471b/0x0 input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad on isa0060/serio4 xorg (please note that module for synaptics provided by xfree86 is used; i realized it just now, but it works fine): LoadModule: synaptics (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o (II) Module synaptics: vendor=The XFree86 Project compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.3 (II) LoadModule: synaptics (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o ... (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.3 (--) touchpad auto-dev sets device to /dev/input/event2 (**) Option Device /dev/input/event2 (--) touchpad touchpad found (**) Option CorePointer (**) touchpad: Core Pointer relevant part of xorg.conf (the device is detected by auto-dev): Section InputDevice Identifier touchpad Driver synaptics Option CorePointer # Option Device/dev/input/mouse0 Option Protocol auto-dev Option Emulate3Buttons yes Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection best regards, -- Lubos [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg synaptics touchpad problem?
Was the kernel upgraded? Check dmesg. Is the kernel module getting loaded? Is it saying anything on boot? All we know right now is that X can't find it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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BTW, I forgot to mention that I am using kernel 2.6.12.10... Cheers -- Torsten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg synaptics touchpad problem?
Hi there, after doing a smart upgrade using Synaptic (yes, I am talking about the package manager GUI here... ;-), I can't get *any* mouse-like device to work on my ThinkPad T42... I am using Debian unstable with X.org, and neither the nipple nor the synaptics touchpad are responding any more. As for the touchpad, The X.org log says (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptic touchpad detected and no repeater device (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware (EE) PreInit failed for input device Synaptics Touchpad Any idea what might be wrong? I'd be more than happy if at least one pointing device was functioning correctly. I actually prefer the touchpad, but the nipple would be better than nothing... Regards -- Torsten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did the upgrade, had to select xserver-xorg manually, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, answered the questions based on what was in my XF86Config file, ran startx and it all worked! The fonts looked horrid so I copied the debconf lines into xorg,conf and reconfigured fontconfig to restore the anti-alias capability. Everthing now looks and works the same as before. Very seamless and almost a non-event for such a major system upgrade. Agreed. I actually did a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch and actually got a lot of sid as well including 2.6.12 (I mistakenly brought in gcc-4.0 in order to keep festival from being removed). I did have to run aptitude dist-upgrade and apt-get install -f a few times until the smoke cleared. For some reason, /etc/init.d/cupsys was turned into some data file. An apt-get --reinstall cupsys fixed that. I haven't yet tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg since everything worked and looked fine after the upgrade (other than the missing custom Gnome menus that I mentioned in another email). I was wondering if things were all right for the upgrade and crossed my fingers. If you're considering the jump, I'd say go for it. Kudos to the Debian maintainers who made it so. -- Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 04:39:58 -0300 Rogério Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using X.org with a Matrox G400 card (monohead, AGP, 16MB of RAM, resolution of 1400x1050) and I have no problems like corrupted display. Close enough, more or less, since I don't have two monitors, hence I don't use xinerama dualhead features. I'm more interested in whether upping to X.org will assist / speed up 3d acceleration, which is currently disabled, and whether that will assist something like stellarium running, or if it's hopeless for that, and if I should get a more friendly (for 3d) card. Movies are ok, as is any 2d stuff with the Matrox. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
On Sep 09 2005, Rick Pasotto wrote: I noticed one thing: my onboard via video now has the xv extention and xine now plays, even full screen, without complaining about missing too many frames and using all the cpu. The same thing here, but with an ATI Mach64 card. It now has xv support and I don't have to grab the gatos driver to overwrite the xserver anymore. Kudos to the X developers for the new features and to the X maintainers, for such a smooth transition. Thanks, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
On Sep 09 2005, David E. Fox wrote: On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:12:17 +0200 Aurélien Campéas wrote: Same here : for an old MGA (Matrox Video Card), I have a corrupted display (completely unusable). I tested xorg yesterday and had to By any chance is your Matrox a Millenium G450? That's what I've been using now for about four years. I'm using X.org with a Matrox G400 card (monohead, AGP, 16MB of RAM, resolution of 1400x1050) and I have no problems like corrupted display. For the moment, I'm still using XFree from sarge. Is there a compelling reason to switch to X.org? I sincerely don't know, for those using a Matrox card. OTOH, for the Mach64 on my notebook, it now features the xv extension out of the box. I just wish that this extension were supported also by the imstt card that I have on an old PowerMac. Without it, watching any movie is almost impossible, unfortunately. :-( Cheers, Rogério. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
David E. Fox a écrit : On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:12:17 +0200 Aurélien Campéas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Pearre a écrit : I'm very sorry for the possibly off-topic reply. I have had one problem since my Unstable system went to Xorg, and I don't know whether this is the place to air it. Please forgive if not. If this is interesting, ask me for more info, as I've tried to keep this brief: [snip] Same here : for an old MGA (Matrox Video Card), I have a corrupted display (completely unusable). I tested xorg yesterday and had to By any chance is your Matrox a Millenium G450? That's what I've been using now for about four years. I had it working at one time with X.org but that was back when I was using Mandrake. I also have been trying to get the acceleration stuff working - but without success. In fact it's a quite old MGA 1064SG. Maybe the support for this is fading as few people still use it. For the moment, I'm still using XFree from sarge. Is there a compelling reason to switch to X.org? The only compelling reason would be the end of xfree support for me. Aurélien. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
Aurélien Campéas a écrit : David E. Fox a écrit : On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:12:17 +0200 Aurélien Campéas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Same here : for an old MGA (Matrox Video Card), I have a corrupted display (completely unusable). I tested xorg yesterday and had to By any chance is your Matrox a Millenium G450? That's what I've been using now for about four years. I had it working at one time with X.org but that was back when I was using Mandrake. I also have been trying to get the acceleration stuff working - but without success. In fact it's a quite old MGA 1064SG. Maybe the support for this is fading as few people still use it. http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/mga.4.html says it should be supported however. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
Aurélien Campéas a écrit : Aurélien Campéas a écrit : David E. Fox a écrit : On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:12:17 +0200 Aurélien Campéas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Same here : for an old MGA (Matrox Video Card), I have a corrupted display (completely unusable). I tested xorg yesterday and had to By any chance is your Matrox a Millenium G450? That's what I've been using now for about four years. I had it working at one time with X.org but that was back when I was using Mandrake. I also have been trying to get the acceleration stuff working - but without success. In fact it's a quite old MGA 1064SG. Maybe the support for this is fading as few people still use it. http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/mga.4.html says it should be supported however. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320328 says it is a known bug, sorry for the noise :-| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
On 9/8/05, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know if this is appropriate. Anyway: I have Nvidia videocards and use the closedsource driver (7167). X.org with its eyecandy, for a non-gamer, brought the necessity of using driver options: Option RenderAccel true Option AllowGLXWithComposite true When you do that it causes a tight loop in the server, as detailed here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858page=22pp=15highlight=loop So if you turn the options off the CPU hits 100% very soon upon using the candy options, regardless of what CPU you use. For myself that sort of finishes X.org, since I don't know what it offers beyond what XFree86 does for me. I'd be interested to know if anyone can use Nvidia driver with Nvidia cards and use the options but does not have the problem. And if so what mobo you use. Thanks for posting that, Hugo. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until this problem is fixed by nVidia and/or X.org. nVidia wants to sell their cards, and people want eye candy, and people want Linux, so we probably just need (sigh) some more patience. I don't know if it's actual or the power of suggestion, but I've noticed that the fonts with X.org look awfully nice. I don't have a screenshot to compare with XF86, but... :) And, anyway, it's the future, so since it's working so well, why not go ahead and switch?
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/8/05, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for posting that, Hugo. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until this problem is fixed by nVidia and/or X.org. nVidia wants to sell their cards, and people want eye candy, and people want Linux, so we probably just need (sigh) some more patience. snip True, except this problem was first posted 7/12/04 and now has 23 pages of posts on their bulletin board. So it is more than a year old and shows no signs of being fixed in any of the latest drivers. I myself am prevented from trying the very latest ones because of their nonsupport of legacy cards such as the TNT2 AGP that I have. H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's actual or the power of suggestion, but I've noticed that the fonts with X.org look awfully nice. I don't have a screenshot to compare with XF86, but... :) And, anyway, it's the future, so since it's working so well, why not go ahead and switch? I didn't notice one thing different when I upgraded to X.org yesterday, and that's a good thing. Everything seems to be working perfectly fine. It's damn near a miracle! Thanks X Strike Force! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 07:47:59PM -0400, Colin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's actual or the power of suggestion, but I've noticed that the fonts with X.org look awfully nice. I don't have a screenshot to compare with XF86, but... :) And, anyway, it's the future, so since it's working so well, why not go ahead and switch? I didn't notice one thing different when I upgraded to X.org yesterday, and that's a good thing. Everything seems to be working perfectly fine. It's damn near a miracle! Thanks X Strike Force! I noticed one thing: my onboard via video now has the xv extention and xine now plays, even full screen, without complaining about missing too many frames and using all the cpu. I love it! -- Hence, if anything is self-evident, it is this: law is the organization of the natural right to legitimate self-defense, it is the substitution of collective force for individual forces, to act in the sphere in which they have the right to act, to do what they have the right to do: to guarantee security of person, liberty, and property rights, to cause justice to reign over all. -- Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850) Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:12:17 +0200 Aurélien Campéas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Pearre a écrit : I'm very sorry for the possibly off-topic reply. I have had one problem since my Unstable system went to Xorg, and I don't know whether this is the place to air it. Please forgive if not. If this is interesting, ask me for more info, as I've tried to keep this brief: [snip] Same here : for an old MGA (Matrox Video Card), I have a corrupted display (completely unusable). I tested xorg yesterday and had to By any chance is your Matrox a Millenium G450? That's what I've been using now for about four years. I had it working at one time with X.org but that was back when I was using Mandrake. I also have been trying to get the acceleration stuff working - but without success. For the moment, I'm still using XFree from sarge. Is there a compelling reason to switch to X.org? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
On 9/9/05, Colin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's actual or the power of suggestion, but I've noticed that the fonts with X.org look awfully nice.I don't have a screenshot to compare with XF86, but...:)And, anyway, it's the future, so since it's working so well, why not go ahead and switch?I didn't notice one thing different when I upgraded to X.org yesterday, andthat's a good thing.Everything seems to be working perfectly fine. That's been pretty much my experience today. My screen seems brighter (is there detection that I'm on a laptop with the power plugged in?) and the fonts are crisp. When the security announcement about testing was made today I did the update/upgrade and was offered a choice of xfree86 and X.org and took a leap of faith on the latter; I'm not sorry I did that! Patrick
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg MGA driver problem?
Ben Pearre a écrit : I'm very sorry for the possibly off-topic reply. I have had one problem since my Unstable system went to Xorg, and I don't know whether this is the place to air it. Please forgive if not. If this is interesting, ask me for more info, as I've tried to keep this brief: [snip] Same here : for an old MGA (Matrox Video Card), I have a corrupted display (completely unusable). I tested xorg yesterday and had to immediately roll back to old sarge xfree, which fortunately was a painless operation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
Jason Clinton wrote: Well its finally happened, and I'm so happy that it has. As of now, most of mirrors have X.Org packages in their testing/etch repository. Before I perform the upgrade, I'm starting this thread to catch any and all problems that might arrise. Please let us know if you have any trouble with the upgrade by replying here. *crosses fingers and runs 'aptitude upgrade'* Don't know if this is appropriate. Anyway: I have Nvidia videocards and use the closedsource driver (7167). X.org with its eyecandy, for a non-gamer, brought the necessity of using driver options: Option RenderAccel true Option AllowGLXWithComposite true When you do that it causes a tight loop in the server, as detailed here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858page=22pp=15highlight=loop So if you turn the options off the CPU hits 100% very soon upon using the candy options, regardless of what CPU you use. For myself that sort of finishes X.org, since I don't know what it offers beyond what XFree86 does for me. I'd be interested to know if anyone can use Nvidia driver with Nvidia cards and use the options but does not have the problem. And if so what mobo you use. H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X.Org Hits Testing
Well its finally happened, and I'm so happy that it has. As of now, most of mirrors have X.Org packages in their testing/etch repository. Before I perform the upgrade, I'm starting this thread to catch any and all problems that might arrise. Please let us know if you have any trouble with the upgrade by replying here. *crosses fingers and runs 'aptitude upgrade'* -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: 0x8DB3BF09. F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09 pgpVQhh5yKU9l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
Jason Clinton wrote: Well its finally happened, and I'm so happy that it has. As of now, most of mirrors have X.Org packages in their testing/etch repository. Before I perform the upgrade, I'm starting this thread to catch any and all problems that might arrise. Please let us know if you have any trouble with the upgrade by replying here. *crosses fingers and runs 'aptitude upgrade'* Am I looking in the wrong place? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0searchon=namesversion=allcase=insensitiverelease=allkeywords=xorgarch=any apt-get says it's lists are up to date, apt-cache search xorg returns nothing. Cheers, Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing OT: debian-laptop.org back on track
Jason Clinton wrote: Well its finally happened, and I'm so happy that it has. As of now, most of mirrors have X.Org packages in their testing/etch repository. Before I perform the upgrade, I'm starting this thread to catch any and all problems that might arrise. Please let us know if you have any trouble with the upgrade by replying here. *crosses fingers and runs 'aptitude upgrade'* Am I looking in the wrong place? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0searchon=namesversion=allcase=insensitiverelease=allkeywords=xorgarch=any apt-get says it's lists are up to date, apt-cache search xorg returns nothing. Cheers, Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using etch and I checked 3 different mirrors. None of them have xorg. I don't think it has been moved out of sid yet. OT: debian-laptop.org back on track Debian-laptop.org is back on track, I just aquired some free stable hosting space and I am starting to build the sites directory and databases. Sorry about the delay because of the hosting mess up. It should be up by a week from friday. --Philip -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
On 9/7/05, Oliver Lupton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Clinton wrote: Well its finally happened, and I'm so happy that it has. As of now, most of mirrors have X.Org packages in their testing/etch repository. Before I perform the upgrade, I'm starting this thread to catch any and all problems that might arrise. Please let us know if you have any trouble with the upgrade by replying here. *crosses fingers and runs 'aptitude upgrade'* Am I looking in the wrong place? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0searchon=namesversion=allcase=insensitiverelease=allkeywords=xorgarch=any apt-get says it's lists are up to date, apt-cache search xorg returns nothing. http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-x11.html Scroll down a bit and you can see a testing version.
Re: X.Org Hits Testing OT: debian-laptop.org back on track
On Sep 07 2005, Philip Schwartz wrote: I am using etch and I checked 3 different mirrors. None of them have xorg. Perhaps the mirror you checked wasn't up-to-date. I don't think it has been moved out of sid yet. It has. I'm downloading it right now for PowerPC and, after seeing how things go, I will upgrade my main computer. Cheers, Rogério Brito. -- Rogério Brito : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Homepage of the algorithms package : http://algorithms.berlios.de Homepage on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/algorithms/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing: Xorg synaptics touchpad problem?
I'm very sorry for the possibly off-topic reply. I have had one problem since my Unstable system went to Xorg, and I don't know whether this is the place to air it. Please forgive if not. If this is interesting, ask me for more info, as I've tried to keep this brief: Synaptics touchpad driver is broken. [sorry if I have the filenames wrong, I'm at a different computer]. Driver loads correctly according to dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and synclient works perfectly, but apps don't get touchpad events (including xev) (yes, pad is turned on, etc). It's as if I just listed the wrong device in Xorg.config. This is on a Thinkpad, and the nipple still works perfectly. I haven't heard this complaint anywhere else, so I assume I haven't provided nearly enough information :) Cheers! -Ben -- Ben Pearre http://hebb.mit.edu/~ben PGP: CFDA6CDA Free music at http://hebb.mit.edu/FreeMusic Don't let Bush read your email! http://www.gnupg.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.Org Hits Testing
* Jason Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Sep 07 16:36 -0500]: Well its finally happened, and I'm so happy that it has. As of now, most of mirrors have X.Org packages in their testing/etch repository. Before I perform the upgrade, I'm starting this thread to catch any and all problems that might arrise. Please let us know if you have any trouble with the upgrade by replying here. *crosses fingers and runs 'aptitude upgrade'* I've had Xorg running on my laptop for a couple of months in my Sid partition so I knew it would work. ;-) I rebooted the laptop (Thinkpad T23) into the Etch partition, did an update in Aptitude and Whaddayaknow, Xorg! I did the upgrade, had to select xserver-xorg manually, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, answered the questions based on what was in my XF86Config file, ran startx and it all worked! The fonts looked horrid so I copied the debconf lines into xorg,conf and reconfigured fontconfig to restore the anti-alias capability. Everthing now looks and works the same as before. Very seamless and almost a non-event for such a major system upgrade. - Nate -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation! http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]