Re: If it is already fixed, don't fix it again (was RE: XDM doesn't work [SOLVED])
Seconded --Jonathan > If we are not friendly (or at least civil) to the newbie type > questions, free software is doomed to become a second class > techno-centric skeleton in the software closet. > > Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, but I am tired of people > responding to lists with "it's your fault because you > bought xyz without checking" instead of trying to help > get what the person has working the best it can. Many > people cannot purchase new hardware, and must make due > with what is available to them. If we work to help them > get what they have working, when they *are* able to upgrade > they will know enough to check on hardware compatibility. > > > Pat > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: If it is already fixed, don't fix it again (was RE: XDM doesn't work [SOLVED])
Thanks for renewing my faith in the world :-) I had thought it may have been a language translation issue. I have a small knowledge of German, and I pity the person who forces me to use it ;-) The tone of email messages is hard to determine without some indicators such as the smile :-) I'm glad you translated your signature. I like it! I've been watching the lists and there have been a good number of people who are unwilling to help with problems, but are quick to reply with hostile thoughts. I am copying this to the list for two reasons: 1.) Hopefully someone else can benefit from your suggestions (I will be working on the X setup later. You have included some very nice suggestions.) 2.) As a public apology for jumping to the wrong conclusion. I guess my mind has been dulled by too much Micro$oft fluff :-) In case anyone is interested, I did install the xserver package with XF86Setup, and used it to get the initial configuration. I have also used xf86config. Thanks, Pat > -Original Message- > From: Zdenek Kabelac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 12:43 PM > To: Patrick Ouellette > Subject: Re: If it is already fixed, don't fix it again (was RE: XDM > doesn't work [SOLVED]) > > > > > I don't like Windows, I suffer through it. > > If you think I'm fun of W95 here is my subcribe: > > Odstranite-li ve Windows95 vsechny chyby > budete mit prazdny disk > > in English this means: > > If you will remove all bugs from W95 > you will have empty disk > :-) > > I hope this explain my relation to W95/98/NT. > Today the computer on my right hand just destroyed its NT instalation > by itself. Thankfully I'm only taking care of linux Debian instalation > on this computer :-) > > > > As for checking the supported cards list, I did and > > the card I am using has support in the SVGA server. My > > comment was that *I* need to figure out the proper > > mode lines to get it to work. > > It is really good idea before you buy new hardware. > > > > I will assume the hostile tone of your reply is due > > Oh sorry, I'm not English native speeking person. > But my comment should be somehow a little bit ironical. > Maybe I could add smile :-) > > > > > If you have strange video cards - well its your fault you haven't > > > check the list of supported hw - you have to wait for new > > > xserver or try SVGA xserver. > > > > > > > If we are not friendly (or at least civil) to the newbie type > > questions, free software is doomed to become a second class > > techno-centric skeleton in the software closet. > > > > Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, but I am tired of people > > responding to lists with "it's your fault because you > > bought xyz without checking" instead of trying to help > > Well I suppose I have suggested to install xserver-vga > which provides XF86Setup and the paragraph I have added > below was really ment as ironical comment in M$ style. > > But in my point of view - you could also first consult your > manual page before you post some elementary questions. > > > -- > Now some more advices (to be more friendly :-)) > > try using this parameter in Screen section of /etc/X11/XF86Config > instead of -bpp parametr to Xserver > > Section "Screen" >Driver "SVGA" >Device "Primary Card" >Monitor "Primary Monitor" >DefaultColorDepth 15 > ^^ >BlankTime 0 >StandbyTime 10 >SuspendTime 15 >OffTime 20 > > > And my final advise use xvidtune to select the best Modeline > on my school computer I have this lines for monitor: > > Section "Monitor" >Identifier "Primary Monitor" >VendorName "Unknown" >ModelName "Unknown" >HorizSync 30-72 >VertRefresh 50-120 >Modeline "1152x864" 105.00 1152 1156 1316 1474 864 865 875 887 >Modeline "1024x768" 90.00 1024 1032 1152 1292 768 772 775 791 >Modeline "640x480"45.80 640 672 768 864 480 488 494 530 > -hsync -vsync > EndSection > >Modeline "1152x864" 105.00 1152 1156 1316 1474 864 865 875 887 >(It has horizontal sync: 71kHz and vertikal: 80Hz - its the >monitors' limit. > > For my home: > Section "Monitor" > Identifier"My Monitor
Re: If it is already fixed, don't fix it again (was RE: XDM doesn't work [SOLVED])
> I will assume the hostile tone of your reply is due > to translation to English rather than intent. If it > was intent, please step back, take a deep breath and > relax. The lists are for *everyone* to get help and > if you can't suffer the sometimes idiotic questions > and problems people have (or create) while learning > I would suggest you look for something else to occupy > you time. > > The above paragraph was prompted by your reply: > > > If you have strange video cards - well its your fault you haven't > > check the list of supported hw - you have to wait for new > > xserver or try SVGA xserver. I think that's a little harsh. Yes the original was unnecessary, but I think a better suggestion would be that if the question asked is beneath your dignity to answer, then don't: there are people who will help us newbies (TM) without the scorn. > Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, but I am tired of people > responding to lists with "it's your fault because you > bought xyz without checking" instead of trying to help > get what the person has working the best it can. Many > people cannot purchase new hardware, and must make due > with what is available to them. If we work to help them > get what they have working, when they *are* able to upgrade > they will know enough to check on hardware compatibility. True enough. Anyone got any clues about my monitor problems (see yesterday's mail)? Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward-elect of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If it is already fixed, don't fix it again (was RE: XDM doesn't work [SOLVED])
I don't like Windows, I suffer through it. As for checking the supported cards list, I did and the card I am using has support in the SVGA server. My comment was that *I* need to figure out the proper mode lines to get it to work. I will assume the hostile tone of your reply is due to translation to English rather than intent. If it was intent, please step back, take a deep breath and relax. The lists are for *everyone* to get help and if you can't suffer the sometimes idiotic questions and problems people have (or create) while learning I would suggest you look for something else to occupy you time. The above paragraph was prompted by your reply: > If you have strange video cards - well its your fault you haven't > check the list of supported hw - you have to wait for new > xserver or try SVGA xserver. > If we are not friendly (or at least civil) to the newbie type questions, free software is doomed to become a second class techno-centric skeleton in the software closet. Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, but I am tired of people responding to lists with "it's your fault because you bought xyz without checking" instead of trying to help get what the person has working the best it can. Many people cannot purchase new hardware, and must make due with what is available to them. If we work to help them get what they have working, when they *are* able to upgrade they will know enough to check on hardware compatibility. Pat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: XDM doesn't work [SOLVED]
Everyone can relax on XDM - seems I managed to introduce an error in the setup that caused the problems. I had in my /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file a -bpp 16 setting that the server didn't like. Now I need to figure out the proper mode lines and settings to get it to work at 1024x768 -bpp 16. Winblows can do it with my video card / monitor, and I would *hate* to say I can do something in that OS that Linux can't ;-) Thanks to everyone who offered help and suggestions!! Pat > -Original Message- > From: Peter Iannarelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:19 AM > To: Patrick Ouellette > Subject: Re: XDM doesn't work > > > Hay Patrick: > > xdm is failing, you do not have an xdm-errors > file to tell you why. I find this _very_ troubling. > > NOTE: in the /etc/X11/XF86config file the first > resolution will be the resolution xdm uses at startup. > Also not the number of bits you are using. The default > is 8. Start at the lowest resolution and work your way > up. > > To be perfectly honest, when ever I have any xdm startup > problems I look in the /var/log/xdm-errors. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Patrick Ouellette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Peter Iannarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: May 12, 1998 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: XDM doesn't work > > > >Peter, > > > >I applaud the quick responses, and assistance. That's one of the > >best things I've found since I started using free software / Linux. > > > >I have sucessfully used (and can use) startx and xinit on the > machine that > >xdm is not working on. After running xf86config and testing with startx > >I start xdm (manually by /etc/init.s/xdm start or by allowing the system > >to reboot with xdm set to start) and get the "flashing screen of death" > >(the text terminal flashes as xdm attempts to start X over and over > >and over.). > > > >After rebooting (with single at the LILO prompt) I have tested the > >configuration by mv /etc/init.d/xdm /etc/init.d/xdm_old, rebooting > >and running startx. I get the expected X screen with the window > >manager, xterm window, etc. ving verified a valid X configuration > >(or so i thought) I do a mv /etc/init.d/xdm_old /etc/init.d/xdm and > >reboot. I get the same flashing screen of death when xdm starts. > > > >I have tried to reconfigure X several times and get the same results. > > > >I am running a custom kernel - If I recall I saw something about a > >problem with X if something was compiled with gcc 2.8.x. (If anyone > >has more details on the gcc2.8.x problem I'd like to hear them.) I think > >I am running gcc2.8.1 on that machine. I'll try installing a > >stock Debian kernel tonight and see if the problem goes away. > > > >(Sometimes just describing the problem and environment to another > >person helps clear the cobwebs.) > > > >Thanks again, > > > >Pat > > > > > >On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 09:34:07AM -0400, Peter Iannarelli wrote: > >> > >> Hello Patrick: > >> > >> Before using xdm, use startx to test. > >> With respect to resolutions, look into > >> the /etc/X11/XF86config or some such > >> file. > >> > >> The other way is to run xf86config and > >> adjust the start resolution to meet your > >> requirements. > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XDM doesn't work
On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 09:21:58AM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote: [snip] > The xdm-errors file gives an error that there are no valid resolutions > for the xserver / monitor. The machine is at home, and I neglected > to beinf the error report with me to work. If there were no valid > resolutions, wouldn't I get failures in startx and xinit? They both > start fine, and I get the 3 resolutions I configured (640x480, 800x600, > 1024x768). Funny you mention this - I had very similar problems at home. It also seemed to be using modes that it shouldn't have known about, but I may just be confused. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Windows NT - Unix in beta-testing. PGP key available on public key servers Debian Linux http://www.debian.org The superior Linux distribution -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: XDM doesn't work
Peter, I *do* have the file, I just don't have it with me (it is on my machine at home and I am at work). The message xdm leaves in the xdm-errors file was something like no valid resolutions found. As I said, startx works so I assume I have a valid XF86Config (I have been know to be wrong before - I really shouldn't assume because I have disassembled assume (ass-u-me) way too many times.) Thanks again for the pointers, I'll dig into it later tonight and at least post the details to the list (XF86Config & xdm-errors) if I can't get it working. (I forgot to cc the list on the previous reply it is appended to the bottom of this message. If anyone has the details on what breaks if you compile your kernel with gcc2.8.x please forward the info to me :-) thanks!) Thanks, Pat (Again I applaud the support I have received from the Debian and Linux communities - I have *never* in my 12+ years of computer support/administration gotten the same level of support from the big commercial computer / software companies) > -Original Message- > From: Peter Iannarelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 10:19 AM > To: Patrick Ouellette > Subject: Re: XDM doesn't work > > > Hay Patrick: > > xdm is failing, you do not have an xdm-errors > file to tell you why. I find this _very_ troubling. > > NOTE: in the /etc/X11/XF86config file the first > resolution will be the resolution xdm uses at startup. > Also not the number of bits you are using. The default > is 8. Start at the lowest resolution and work your way > up. > > To be perfectly honest, when ever I have any xdm startup > problems I look in the /var/log/xdm-errors. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Patrick Ouellette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Peter Iannarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: May 12, 1998 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: XDM doesn't work > > > >Peter, > > > >I applaud the quick responses, and assistance. That's one of the > >best things I've found since I started using free software / Linux. > > > >I have sucessfully used (and can use) startx and xinit on the > machine that > >xdm is not working on. After running xf86config and testing with startx > >I start xdm (manually by /etc/init.s/xdm start or by allowing the system > >to reboot with xdm set to start) and get the "flashing screen of death" > >(the text terminal flashes as xdm attempts to start X over and over > >and over.). > > > >After rebooting (with single at the LILO prompt) I have tested the > >configuration by mv /etc/init.d/xdm /etc/init.d/xdm_old, rebooting > >and running startx. I get the expected X screen with the window > >manager, xterm window, etc. ving verified a valid X configuration > >(or so i thought) I do a mv /etc/init.d/xdm_old /etc/init.d/xdm and > >reboot. I get the same flashing screen of death when xdm starts. > > > >I have tried to reconfigure X several times and get the same results. > > > >I am running a custom kernel - If I recall I saw something about a > >problem with X if something was compiled with gcc 2.8.x. (If anyone > >has more details on the gcc2.8.x problem I'd like to hear them.) I think > >I am running gcc2.8.1 on that machine. I'll try installing a > >stock Debian kernel tonight and see if the problem goes away. > > > >(Sometimes just describing the problem and environment to another > >person helps clear the cobwebs.) > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XDM doesn't work
On Tue, May 12, 1998 at 09:12:40AM -0400, Peter Iannarelli wrote: > Hello all: > > -Original Message- > From: Patrick Ouellette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: May 12, 1998 9:00 AM > Subject: XDM doesn't work > > > >Hello all, > > > >I have had the following problem no 2 different hamm systems: > > > >They are configured to start xdm on booting. One machine uses > >the S3 xserver, one uses the SVGA xserver. When starting the system, > >the screen will flash (xdm keeps trying to start X) and the only way I > >have been able to recover is to reset the machine (sometimes > ctrl-alt-delete > >works, sometimes I have to push the big button). > > > >The S3 machine was reloaded from scratch, and the problem appears to have > >gone away. I removed all the X programs from the machine using the SVGA > >server and reinstalled X but the problem is still there. Startx and xinit > >work fine. > > > >I think this is related to bug 6468 - when switching to a text console > >then back this behaviour happened (paraphrased to protect the guilty). > > > >Any clues to a solution? If not, this is a pretty nasty bug to release > >on an unsuspecting user (read - I'll file a new bug report on xbase) > > > > Go into your /var/log/xdm-errors or some such file name > and see what the problem is. > > > Peter > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The xdm-errors file gives an error that there are no valid resolutions for the xserver / monitor. The machine is at home, and I neglected to beinf the error report with me to work. If there were no valid resolutions, wouldn't I get failures in startx and xinit? They both start fine, and I get the 3 resolutions I configured (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768). Thanks, Pat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XDM doesn't work
Hello all: -Original Message- From: Patrick Ouellette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: May 12, 1998 9:00 AM Subject: XDM doesn't work >Hello all, > >I have had the following problem no 2 different hamm systems: > >They are configured to start xdm on booting. One machine uses >the S3 xserver, one uses the SVGA xserver. When starting the system, >the screen will flash (xdm keeps trying to start X) and the only way I >have been able to recover is to reset the machine (sometimes ctrl-alt-delete >works, sometimes I have to push the big button). > >The S3 machine was reloaded from scratch, and the problem appears to have >gone away. I removed all the X programs from the machine using the SVGA >server and reinstalled X but the problem is still there. Startx and xinit >work fine. > >I think this is related to bug 6468 - when switching to a text console >then back this behaviour happened (paraphrased to protect the guilty). > >Any clues to a solution? If not, this is a pretty nasty bug to release >on an unsuspecting user (read - I'll file a new bug report on xbase) > Go into your /var/log/xdm-errors or some such file name and see what the problem is. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XDM doesn't work
Hello all, I have had the following problem no 2 different hamm systems: They are configured to start xdm on booting. One machine uses the S3 xserver, one uses the SVGA xserver. When starting the system, the screen will flash (xdm keeps trying to start X) and the only way I have been able to recover is to reset the machine (sometimes ctrl-alt-delete works, sometimes I have to push the big button). The S3 machine was reloaded from scratch, and the problem appears to have gone away. I removed all the X programs from the machine using the SVGA server and reinstalled X but the problem is still there. Startx and xinit work fine. I think this is related to bug 6468 - when switching to a text console then back this behaviour happened (paraphrased to protect the guilty). Any clues to a solution? If not, this is a pretty nasty bug to release on an unsuspecting user (read - I'll file a new bug report on xbase) Thanks, Pat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
