Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 01:15, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ First off, this is for sid ... I believe the original poster in question was looking for packages built for woody. Yup. Second off, these packages are no longer maintained. Actually, Andrea's packages are maintained by him (last upload was a few days ago), but they are patched with the PrefBusID-patch to be used for multiple users on the local box. See http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/index.html for more about this. Best, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-user Ruby (was Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely)
Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 22:58, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hold it... If you get this one then you get something terrific besides just getting 4.3.0: XFree86's that will run side-by-side on separate display cards. I am using this one right now. I am logged in on a 17 monitor and to the left of me is another 17 monitor that my wife uses and the 2 are connected to 2 Nvidia cards (TNT2-AGP, GeForce4-MX440-PCI) in the one PC in between the 2, running Debian. Wow! This is actually my big project right now! In fact, I've been working on it for about two weeks. I don't think it is easy. But it was the only way we could afford and have space for two computers... I must say, 4.3 makes everything very pretty. Fonts have improved incredibly since 4.1, and makes text much more readable. You have to get a kernel patch to be able to also have separate keyboards that keep their input apart. There are 3: 2.4.21, 2.4.22 and 2.6.0. The best one is 2.4.22. I have used all three. You should run gdm as display manager because it will sequentially start the XFree's and take them down in reverse, because if you use xdm or kdm you might not have an vga-text console as a result. Yup. I've been sticking to kdm for the time being. Plan to go with gdm once I'm upgrading to 2.6, but right now, I couldn't get 2.6 to run. Caveat: no framebuffers. At least not with my graphic cards. There are other cards running with framebuffers on 2.6.0 Yeah. I've got a Matrox G450 DH, I think that should work (I'm using a Matrox Mystique as the second now). Folks this is the greatest thing since Linux and Debian... Yeah, once you get it working I have to PS/2 keyboards and a couple of PS/2+VGA cable extensions + a Tangtop USBPS2 adapter. I could run both mice on USB ports OK, but because physical space constraints now I need to run them in a configuration where the primary mouse and keyboard are on the PS/2 ports and the secondary are on the USBPS2 adapter. That's a lot harder. I'm discussing this on the linuxconsole-dev list right now, but ideas are always appreciated. One prob. seems to be the large number of hw combinations possible: I have 2 USB A4Tech optical mice and 2 PS/2 IBM Model M keyboards. The keyboards go in the normal kbd and mouse mini-DIN slots and I have 4 USB ports and the mice go in 2 of them and the USB scanner in a third. HID finds eveything. 2.4.22 and gdm are the recipe for me. Even gpm doesn't die and I recently have had no VGA-text console wipe-outs, where he forgets what was on a vc... H. Basically, it seems like the keyboard is detected, but then HID just suddenly gives up breath, and the mouse isn't. This are some lines from my dmesg: input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [Tangtop Generic USBPS2] on usb-00:04.2-2 usb.c: hid driver claimed interface dfe5a3c0 host/usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 827 hid-core.c: ctrl urb status -75 received However, both are detected under my debian 2.4.22 kernel. My logs and configs for this system is at http://dev.kjernsmo.net/tmp/multi-user-logs3/ if anybody wants a look... :-) And I just changed my sources list and ran apt-get dist-upgrade... Wow... :-) Cheers, Kjetil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003, at 09:29 +, John Peter wrote: Put this on your sources.list : # XFree 4.3 deb http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386/ ./ deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ First off, this is for sid ... I believe the original poster in question was looking for packages built for woody. Second off, these packages are no longer maintained. These are now managed by Branden Robinson, Debian's actual XFree86 implementation maintainer, and are now being worked on in experimental. So if you want the current XFree86 4.3 packages for sid, just pull'em from experimental. -- scott c. linnenbringer| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~sl | [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003, at 09:44 +, John Peter wrote: I stand corrected, Damien ! As I mentioned I just pasted the info and did not verify it - just tried to give,those who needed it, a push! A litlle search before asking doesn't hurt annyone ... No problem at all. Branden's XSF page and Daniel Stone's page should mention this migration and the details encompassing it. -- scott c. linnenbringer| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~sl | [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003, at 09:25 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: I know you cannot predict this 100 % accurate but what do you think how likely will XFree86 4.3 be included in stable Sarge? I need XFree86 4.3 due to a bug in DRM in prior releases. I it is not very likely for it to be included I will have to think about migrating to another distro :-( As far as I know, unlikely. It hasn't even propagated to unstable yet, but I suppose it could happen. I don't follow debian-x though, so I really don't know. -- scott c. linnenbringer| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~sl | [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
I know you cannot predict this 100 % accurate but what do you think how likely will XFree86 4.3 be included in stable Sarge? I need XFree86 4.3 due to a bug in DRM in prior releases. I it is not very likely for it to be included I will have to think about migrating to another distro :-( Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: ... you can always upgrade manually ... ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 10:06]: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: ... you can always upgrade manually ... ! can I find the required .deb files anywhere? wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | http://www.lpr.ch | IP? http://www.rawip.org | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 10:18:09 +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote: can I find the required .deb files anywhere? Sorry, I'm a newbie myself; at least in Debian. But throughout my 'career' on Linux / BSD it was always possible to download binaries (or sources) to be compiled. As the saying goes, you might even have a 'mixed' system sarge / sid. But here you better ask someone else ... ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:25:13AM +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: I know you cannot predict this 100 % accurate but what do you think how likely will XFree86 4.3 be included in stable Sarge? It's too close to call at the moment, since the required work hasn't been finished yet. I need XFree86 4.3 due to a bug in DRM in prior releases. I it is not very likely for it to be included I will have to think about migrating to another distro :-( Most of the people who need newer versions of XFree86 only need it for support for their graphics card, and all that's necessary for this is to upgrade just the xserver-xfree86 package. Since there's no need to upgrade the whole of XFree86 it's quite simple to use a newer server even if you're running a distribution that doesn't include it. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
uccellina:~/Conf!73 dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- ii xserver-xfree8 4.2.1-13 the XFree86 X server uccellina:/etc/apt# apt-get install -t unstable x-window-system xfonts-base xserver-xfree86 xfonts-100dpi x-window-system-core Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done xfonts-base is already the newest version. xserver-xfree86 is already the newest version. xfonts-100dpi is already the newest version. x-window-system-core is already the newest version. Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main xdm 4.2.1-13 [223kB] Get:2 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main xfwp 4.2.1-13 [117kB] Get:3 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main xprt 4.2.1-13 [960kB] Get:4 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main x-window-system 4.2.1-13 [95.3kB] 4.2.1 != 4.3 ??? -- thanks! wbr, Lukas You don't seem to have run apt-get update? You need to run that first to sync file lists with the server. If you want, you can see the files (including those for Woody and Sarge) at: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86 Damien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
Lukas Ruf wrote: Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 10:06]: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: ... you can always upgrade manually ... ! can I find the required .deb files anywhere? wbr, Lukas I did a quick search on Google amd found it right away : Put this on your sources.list : # XFree 4.3 deb http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386/ ./ deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ Then run : apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -t 4.3 This was NOT verifyed by me - do it at your own risk . John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 20:29, John Peter wrote: Lukas Ruf wrote: Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 10:06]: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: ... you can always upgrade manually ... ! can I find the required .deb files anywhere? wbr, Lukas I did a quick search on Google amd found it right away : Put this on your sources.list : # XFree 4.3 deb http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386/ ./ deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ Then run : apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -t 4.3 This was NOT verifyed by me - do it at your own risk . John Hi John Daniel Stone's packages have migrated from penguinppc.org to Sid, so you no longer need those sources.list entries you mentioned (but you did need to a couple of months ago). Oh, and it should be -t unstable instead of -t 4.3 (-t allows you to specify the distribution where the packages should come from, in this case 'unstable'). Regards Damien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
Damien Solley wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 20:29, John Peter wrote: Lukas Ruf wrote: Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 10:06]: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: ... you can always upgrade manually ... ! can I find the required .deb files anywhere? wbr, Lukas I did a quick search on Google amd found it right away : Put this on your sources.list : # XFree 4.3 deb http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386/ ./ deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ Then run : apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -t 4.3 This was NOT verifyed by me - do it at your own risk . John Hi John Daniel Stone's packages have migrated from penguinppc.org to Sid, so you no longer need those sources.list entries you mentioned (but you did need to a couple of months ago). Oh, and it should be -t unstable instead of -t 4.3 (-t allows you to specify the distribution where the packages should come from, in this case 'unstable'). Regards Damien I stand corrected, Damien ! As I mentioned I just pasted the info and did not verify it - just tried to give,those who needed it, a push! A litlle search before asking doesn't hurt annyone ... Cheers ! John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
Damien Solley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 11:28]: uccellina:~/Conf!73 dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- ii xserver-xfree8 4.2.1-13 the XFree86 X server uccellina:/etc/apt# apt-get install -t unstable x-window-system xfonts-base xserver-xfree86 xfonts-100dpi x-window-system-core Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done xfonts-base is already the newest version. xserver-xfree86 is already the newest version. xfonts-100dpi is already the newest version. x-window-system-core is already the newest version. Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main xdm 4.2.1-13 [223kB] Get:2 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main xfwp 4.2.1-13 [117kB] Get:3 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main xprt 4.2.1-13 [960kB] Get:4 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main x-window-system 4.2.1-13 [95.3kB] 4.2.1 != 4.3 ??? -- thanks! wbr, Lukas You don't seem to have run apt-get update? You need to run that first to sync file lists with the server. I did. If you want, you can see the files (including those for Woody and Sarge) at: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86 thanks! wbr, Lukas -- Lukas Ruf | Wanna know anything about raw | http://www.lpr.ch | IP? http://www.rawip.org | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 04:37, Damien Solley wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 20:29, John Peter wrote: Lukas Ruf wrote: Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 10:06]: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: [snip] Hi John Daniel Stone's packages have migrated from penguinppc.org to Sid, so you no longer need those sources.list entries you mentioned (but you did Are you sure? I just did an apt-get update, but it still shows 4.2.1 : # apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86 xserver-xfree86: Installed: 4.2.1-12.1 Candidate: 4.2.1-13 Version Table: 4.2.1-13 0 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main Packages *** 4.2.1-12.1 0 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA An ad run by the NEA (the US's biggest public school TEACHERS UNION) in the Spring and Summer of 2003 asks a teenager if he can find sodium and *chloride* in the periodic table of the elements. And they wonder why people think public schools suck... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
Daniel Stone's packages have migrated from penguinppc.org to Sid, so you no longer need those sources.list entries you mentioned (but you did Are you sure? I just did an apt-get update, but it still shows 4.2.1 : They are in experimental. Apt will not fetch them unless you explicitly choose experimental as the default release... either APT::Default-Release experimental;, or -t experimental, or package/experimental. If you use dselect you need to use APT::Default-Release, then (un)comment the experimental line in sources.list to control whether experimental packages are seen or not. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free - Bruce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
John Peter wrote: Lukas Ruf wrote: Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-11-03 10:06]: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:25:13 +0100, Jaque Moreau wrote: ... you can always upgrade manually ... ! can I find the required .deb files anywhere? wbr, Lukas I did a quick search on Google amd found it right away : Put this on your sources.list : # XFree 4.3 deb http://penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386/ ./ deb http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ ./ Hold it... If you get this one then you get something terrific besides just getting 4.3.0: XFree86's that will run side-by-side on separate display cards. I am using this one right now. I am logged in on a 17 monitor and to the left of me is another 17 monitor that my wife uses and the 2 are connected to 2 Nvidia cards (TNT2-AGP, GeForce4-MX440-PCI) in the one PC in between the 2, running Debian. You have to get a kernel patch to be able to also have separate keyboards that keep their input apart. There are 3: 2.4.21, 2.4.22 and 2.6.0. The best one is 2.4.22. I have used all three. You should run gdm as display manager because it will sequentially start the XFree's and take them down in reverse, because if you use xdm or kdm you might not have an vga-text console as a result. Caveat: no framebuffers. At least not with my graphic cards. There are other cards running with framebuffers on 2.6.0 Folks this is the greatest thing since Linux and Debian... And I just changed my sources list and ran apt-get dist-upgrade... Hugo. Then run : apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -t 4.3 This was NOT verifyed by me - do it at your own risk . John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multi-user Ruby (was Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely)
On Monday 03 November 2003 22:58, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hold it... If you get this one then you get something terrific besides just getting 4.3.0: XFree86's that will run side-by-side on separate display cards. I am using this one right now. I am logged in on a 17 monitor and to the left of me is another 17 monitor that my wife uses and the 2 are connected to 2 Nvidia cards (TNT2-AGP, GeForce4-MX440-PCI) in the one PC in between the 2, running Debian. Wow! This is actually my big project right now! In fact, I've been working on it for about two weeks. I don't think it is easy. But it was the only way we could afford and have space for two computers... I must say, 4.3 makes everything very pretty. Fonts have improved incredibly since 4.1, and makes text much more readable. You have to get a kernel patch to be able to also have separate keyboards that keep their input apart. There are 3: 2.4.21, 2.4.22 and 2.6.0. The best one is 2.4.22. I have used all three. You should run gdm as display manager because it will sequentially start the XFree's and take them down in reverse, because if you use xdm or kdm you might not have an vga-text console as a result. Yup. I've been sticking to kdm for the time being. Plan to go with gdm once I'm upgrading to 2.6, but right now, I couldn't get 2.6 to run. Caveat: no framebuffers. At least not with my graphic cards. There are other cards running with framebuffers on 2.6.0 Yeah. I've got a Matrox G450 DH, I think that should work (I'm using a Matrox Mystique as the second now). Folks this is the greatest thing since Linux and Debian... Yeah, once you get it working I have to PS/2 keyboards and a couple of PS/2+VGA cable extensions + a Tangtop USBPS2 adapter. I could run both mice on USB ports OK, but because physical space constraints now I need to run them in a configuration where the primary mouse and keyboard are on the PS/2 ports and the secondary are on the USBPS2 adapter. That's a lot harder. I'm discussing this on the linuxconsole-dev list right now, but ideas are always appreciated. Basically, it seems like the keyboard is detected, but then HID just suddenly gives up breath, and the mouse isn't. This are some lines from my dmesg: input: USB HID v1.00 Keyboard [Tangtop Generic USBPS2] on usb-00:04.2-2 usb.c: hid driver claimed interface dfe5a3c0 host/usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 827 hid-core.c: ctrl urb status -75 received However, both are detected under my debian 2.4.22 kernel. My logs and configs for this system is at http://dev.kjernsmo.net/tmp/multi-user-logs3/ if anybody wants a look... :-) And I just changed my sources list and ran apt-get dist-upgrade... Wow... :-) Cheers, Kjetil -- Kjetil Kjernsmo Astrophysicist/IT Consultant/Skeptic/Ski-orienteer/Orienteer/Mountaineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.kjetil.kjernsmo.net/OpenPGP KeyID: 6A6A0BBC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 4.3 in stable sarge - how likely
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 13:42, Bruce Sass wrote: Daniel Stone's packages have migrated from penguinppc.org to Sid, so you no longer need those sources.list entries you mentioned (but you did Are you sure? I just did an apt-get update, but it still shows 4.2.1 : They are in experimental. Ah, ok. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
