Re: about MS email retrieve
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:56:27AM +0800, lina wrote: I have JDK and JRE installed, just a bit hesitated to switch to davmail since I have been using icedove from beginning and it has been really long already. IIRC you would not need to switch from icedove because davmail is not a MUA. It provides a local IMAP server which gateways onto the Exchange server (talking WebDAV in the background). You would install davmail, configure it, and then configure icedove to talk to your local machine via IMAP. Please be advised our email accounts do not run on pop3/imap/smtp. It is on Microsoft Exchange, so you can only use email clients which has support for Microsoft Exchange, such as Microsoft Outlook. Microsoft Exchange can talk POP/IMAP if the admins turn it on. Their reply suggests they are unwilling to do so however. (And Exchange is not a great IMAP server, anyway. The packaged versions of offlineimap struggle with it, more recent git commits mostly work but it's still iffy.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131125094419.ga15...@bryant.redmars.org
Re: about MS email retrieve
IIRC you would not need to switch from icedove because davmail is not a MUA. It provides a local IMAP server which gateways onto the Exchange server (talking WebDAV in the background). You would install davmail, configure it, and then configure icedove to talk to your local machine via IMAP. I think I have problem installing it. How do you install it? Unpacking davmail (from davmail_4.4.0-2198-1_all.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of davmail: davmail depends on libswt-gtk-3-java | libswt-gtk-3.6-java | libswt-gtk-3.5-java | libswt-gtk-3.4-java; however: Package libswt-gtk-3-java is not installed. Package libswt-gtk-3.6-java is not installed. Package libswt-gtk-3.5-java is not installed. Package libswt-gtk-3.4-java is not installed. dpkg: error processing davmail (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Errors were encountered while processing: davmail root@debian:/home/lina/Desktop# aptitude install libswt-gtk-3-java libswt-gtk-3.6-java libswt-gtk-3.5-java libswt-gtk-3.4-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.6-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.5-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.4-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.6-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.5-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.4-java The following NEW packages will be installed: libswt-gtk-3-java The following partially installed packages will be configured: davmail 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1,639 kB of archives. After unpacking 1,783 kB will be used. Get: 1 http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main libswt-gtk-3-java amd64 3.8.0~rc4-1 [1,639 kB] Fetched 1,639 kB in 10s (160 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package libswt-gtk-3-java. (Reading database ... 411381 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libswt-gtk-3-java (from .../libswt-gtk-3-java_3.8.0~rc4-1_amd64.deb) ... Setting up libswt-gtk-3-java (3.8.0~rc4-1) ... Setting up davmail (4.4.0-2198-1) ... Current status: 0 broken [-1]. Please be advised our email accounts do not run on pop3/imap/smtp. It is on Microsoft Exchange, so you can only use email clients which has support for Microsoft Exchange, such as Microsoft Outlook. Microsoft Exchange can talk POP/IMAP if the admins turn it on. Their reply suggests they are unwilling to do so however. (And Exchange is You are right, here they outsource the IT service. not a great IMAP server, anyway. The packaged versions of offlineimap struggle with it, more recent git commits mostly work but it's still iffy.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/529349d8.8030...@gmail.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
On Lu, 25 nov 13, 21:00:08, lina wrote: I think I have problem installing it. How do you install it? Unpacking davmail (from davmail_4.4.0-2198-1_all.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of davmail: davmail depends on libswt-gtk-3-java | libswt-gtk-3.6-java | libswt-gtk-3.5-java | libswt-gtk-3.4-java; however: Package libswt-gtk-3-java is not installed. Package libswt-gtk-3.6-java is not installed. Package libswt-gtk-3.5-java is not installed. Package libswt-gtk-3.4-java is not installed. dpkg: error processing davmail (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Errors were encountered while processing: davmail This looks like you tried to install the package with 'dpkg -i'... root@debian:/home/lina/Desktop# aptitude install libswt-gtk-3-java libswt-gtk-3.6-java libswt-gtk-3.5-java libswt-gtk-3.4-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.6-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.5-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.4-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.6-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.5-java No candidate version found for libswt-gtk-3.4-java The following NEW packages will be installed: libswt-gtk-3-java The following partially installed packages will be configured: davmail 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1,639 kB of archives. After unpacking 1,783 kB will be used. Get: 1 http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main libswt-gtk-3-java amd64 3.8.0~rc4-1 [1,639 kB] Fetched 1,639 kB in 10s (160 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package libswt-gtk-3-java. (Reading database ... 411381 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libswt-gtk-3-java (from .../libswt-gtk-3-java_3.8.0~rc4-1_amd64.deb) ... Setting up libswt-gtk-3-java (3.8.0~rc4-1) ... Setting up davmail (4.4.0-2198-1) ... Current status: 0 broken [-1]. ... which seems to have succeeded here. Use 'dpkg -l davmail' to check. For future reference, whenever you need to manually install packages with 'dpkg -i' and it fails due to unfulfilled dependencies you should follow-up with 'apt-get install -f' (no package). APT should then determine which other packages are needed to satisfy the dependencies and install them (assuming they are available from your repositories). This also has the benefit that packages installed as dependencies are marked as such (automatically installed). In your specific case you might want to follow-up with 'apt-mark auto libswt-gtk-3-java'. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: about MS email retrieve
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 03:28:00PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: For future reference, whenever you need to manually install packages with 'dpkg -i' and it fails due to unfulfilled dependencies you should follow-up with 'apt-get install -f' (no package). The tool 'gdebi' can be used to install a locally-available .deb file whilst resolving its dependencies from apt repositories. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131125133123.ga19...@bryant.redmars.org
Re: about MS email retrieve
Current status: 0 broken [-1]. ... which seems to have succeeded here. Use 'dpkg -l davmail' to check. Yes, it has already installed, I will configure later. For future reference, whenever you need to manually install packages with 'dpkg -i' and it fails due to unfulfilled dependencies you should follow-up with 'apt-get install -f' (no package). APT should then Thanks, 'apt-get install -f', I jot down on my notebook, will try it next time. determine which other packages are needed to satisfy the dependencies and install them (assuming they are available from your repositories). This also has the benefit that packages installed as dependencies are marked as such (automatically installed). In your specific case you might want to follow-up with 'apt-mark auto libswt-gtk-3-java'. Thanks again for all, best regards, Kind regards, Andrei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5293658b.5040...@gmail.com
about MS email retrieve
Hi, My work email is Microsoft exchange one. It seems that the Microsoft exchange can be accessed either via outlook or webpage. I use icedove, currently has the ExQuilla plugin to retrieve email, but seems ExQuilla going to expire. So I wonder, how can I retrieve this email? what is interesting is that, we share the same account (username as well as password) in all servers, such as for the login of windows, for the HPC, for the email, even wireless connection. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? Since they shared the same account, and there is a local server here to collect Microsoft exchange email, I wonder, can I simply logged in this server and read these as some directory or something? Thanks ahead for your suggestions, BR, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290c842.9020...@gmail.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
Le 23/11/2013 16:22, lina a écrit : Hi, My work email is Microsoft exchange one. It seems that the Microsoft exchange can be accessed either via outlook or webpage. I use icedove, currently has the ExQuilla plugin to retrieve email, but seems ExQuilla going to expire. So I wonder, how can I retrieve this email? What I do at work is use davmail (http://davmail.sourceforge.net). There is a debian package, and is needs that java is installed. Works fine with a exchange 2010 server through the webservice. Let's hope your mail admin allows the DAV/Webservice connection. It also works for calendar with lightning and the caldav definition of calendar. what is interesting is that, we share the same account (username as well as password) in all servers, such as for the login of windows, for the HPC, for the email, even wireless connection. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? It's called a user databas used for authentication of all services. In a free world you would do this with a LDAP server, in MS world it is done with Active Directory (based on LDAP among other things). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290d292.4060...@rail.eu.org
Re: about MS email retrieve
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 23:22:42 +0800 lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My work email is Microsoft exchange one. It seems that the Microsoft exchange can be accessed either via outlook or webpage. I use icedove, currently has the ExQuilla plugin to retrieve email, but seems ExQuilla going to expire. So I wonder, how can I retrieve this email? what is interesting is that, we share the same account (username as well as password) in all servers, such as for the login of windows, for the HPC, for the email, even wireless connection. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? Since they shared the same account, and there is a local server here to collect Microsoft exchange email, I wonder, can I simply logged in this server and read these as some directory or something? No. Exchange stores email in an encrypted relational database, and if certain things go wrong, *nobody* can read it. I have failed a couple of times to restore a broken mailbox, using the official MS tools, though they usually work. Exchange is a humungous beast, designed to provide appropriate security for military, medical and legal email (i.e. only US security services can read it) and everyone else, even a one-man-band using the Small Business Server, has to live with it as there are no MS alternatives. As Erwan has said, login to an MS domain is to a single login server (with replicated backups in larger organisations) which uses, basically, LDAP and Kerberos to issue time-limited tickets to authorise appropriate activities. With the right privileges, fairly standard LDAP tools can be used to query and manipulate the database. Generally, users won't have much in the way of privileges, and you shouldn't be able to login to any server directly. A couple of other possibilities, if the administrators are friendly: Exchange can also provide POP3 and IMAP4 connections, but these are not enabled by default. The Outlook interface, as you probably know, uses an undisclosed proprietary protocol which changes regularly. Outlook 2013 is not compatible with Exchange 2003 and earlier, for example, other than by the (probably reluctantly) standard POP3 or IMAP4. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123164134.7fe98...@jretrading.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
On 11/23/2013 06:41 PM, Joe wrote: has to live with it as there are no MS alternatives. Not quite. Citadel and Kolab offer the same functionality, but in a more secure, modular architecture. Recently OpenChange is a transparent replacement: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/ though hopefully it is not as insecure and bugridden. I don't know when, if or how it would be ported to Debian. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5290ef1f.6000...@gmail.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 20:08:31 +0200 Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/23/2013 06:41 PM, Joe wrote: has to live with it as there are no MS alternatives. Not quite. Citadel and Kolab offer the same functionality, but in a more secure, modular architecture. Recently OpenChange is a transparent replacement: http://www.zentyal.org/2013/10/zentyal-launches-the-only-native-microsoft-exchange-replacement/ though hopefully it is not as insecure and bugridden. I don't know when, if or how it would be ported to Debian. I meant 'published by Microsoft'. There are a number of mail servers available for Windows, most being much less complex than Exchange, most small businesses not needing anything as complex as Exchange. But a business using MS servers will move to third-party products reluctantly. Everything on the machine that isn't part of the server operating system is a potential accident waiting to happen. The ecosystem is fragile enough, without foreign software being added. I would not consider installing even Firefox on a client's Windows server. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131123202057.7581d...@jretrading.com
Re: about MS email retrieve
What I do at work is use davmail (http://davmail.sourceforge.net). There is a debian package, and is needs that java is installed. I have JDK and JRE installed, just a bit hesitated to switch to davmail since I have been using icedove from beginning and it has been really long already. Works fine with a exchange 2010 server through the webservice. Let's hope your mail admin allows the DAV/Webservice connection. Here is the reply I received days ago from our IT. Please be advised our email accounts do not run on pop3/imap/smtp. It is on Microsoft Exchange, so you can only use email clients which has support for Microsoft Exchange, such as Microsoft Outlook. I wonder, how can they update and connect these in one big database? It's called a user databas used for authentication of all services. In a free world you would do this with a LDAP server, in MS world it is done with Active Directory (based on LDAP among other things). So intelligent. Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52916adb.1040...@gmail.com
