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On 1/1/10, Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr wrote: Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... Opera is 'free' as in 'free to use'. So, no need to register, pay, or view adds; you can also request features, report bugs, etc.; you just don't have direct access to the source. Otherwise, it is fairly robust nowadays on Linux (possibly no crashes for weeks or so) and by default contains a steady number of features for every-day browsing. Personally I'm using the qt4 build [1]. [1] http://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1010/final/en/ Another possibility is Midori (already mentioned). It is still in its early ages, but in heavy development and gets more robust with every release. It is open-source, extension-able, has an active community and is affiliated with Xfce (although is itself desktop-independent). Liviu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr : I wish to install an alternate web browser epiphany-webkit As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to now, I have rarely used Firefox for usenet news, as I preferred pan. So do I For e-mail, [...] I plan to use 'mutt', Claws-mail -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 34 29 155 34 / +261 33 11 207 36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:26, mess-mate messm...@free.fr wrote: I use firefox 3.6 beta4, works great without any problem about java and other plugins. Besides SeaMonkey 2.0, I also rather like Firefox 3.7alpha, which has plugins (read: Flash) in a separate process. I've tryed FF 3.7alpha and got problems running java applications. (64b) mess-mate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 10:04:12PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone epiphany (similar to firefox) elinks (text only) midori (never used it myself) konqueror (KDE app, and very good) dillo (very lightweight; not in Lenny repo) w3m (text only) galeon (never used it myself) lynx links links2 Good list, assuming Chrome is already mentioned. Flock is still unmentioned I think. Doesn't Epiphany come in two flavors, mozilla and gecko engines? I like using epiphany for quick and dirty stuff like opening links from text programs like snownews, mutt, my home page of favorites and for system browsing. It is fast an clean. I used to use Galeon for that. I don't know what anyone sees in Opera. I paid to register the Win98 version oh-so-many years ago. Maybe it was innovative in that limited browsing environment. But it has just been an ever-growing PIA since. But they still seem to think highly of themselves. -- Kind Regards, Freeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to Opera hasn't required registration for years now. I'd like to mention at this opportunity that the Debian standard of free does not refer to money. It refers to a licensing standard that, as best as possible, supports open access to information and the programs running your computer, transparency of the organization and the OS, and acts as a main element in the Debian Social Contract. http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/social_contract -- Kind Regards, Freeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone epiphany (similar to firefox) elinks (text only) midori (never used it myself) konqueror (KDE app, and very good) dillo (very lightweight; not in Lenny repo) w3m (text only) galeon (never used it myself) lynx links links2 -Rob Thanks to Everyone for your inputs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri,01.Jan.10, 22:04:12, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone epiphany (similar to firefox) elinks (text only) midori (never used it myself) konqueror (KDE app, and very good) dillo (very lightweight; not in Lenny repo) w3m (text only) galeon (never used it myself) lynx links links2 uzbl for those who like vimperator ;) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Andrei Popescu wrote at 2010-01-02 05:29 -0600: On Fri,01.Jan.10, 22:04:12, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone epiphany (similar to firefox) elinks (text only) midori (never used it myself) konqueror (KDE app, and very good) dillo (very lightweight; not in Lenny repo) w3m (text only) galeon (never used it myself) lynx links links2 uzbl for those who like vimperator ;) I am ready for a crash-proof, minimalist, non-memory-hogging, ultra-customizable browser. uzbl looks like a very promising project! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Bernard wrote at 2010-01-01 10:02 -0600: I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. I suggest trying midori, though keep in mind that it is rather young. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 01:17, mess-mate messm...@free.fr wrote: Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:26, mess-mate messm...@free.fr wrote: I use firefox 3.6 beta4, works great without any problem about java and other plugins. Besides SeaMonkey 2.0, I also rather like Firefox 3.7alpha, which has plugins (read: Flash) in a separate process. I've tryed FF 3.7alpha and got problems running java applications. (64b) Ah, I see. I don't use Java for anything myself. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 02:02, Freeman eve...@worldwidehtml.com wrote: Doesn't Epiphany come in two flavors, mozilla and gecko engines? Two flavors, yes, but they are Gecko (Mozilla projects and some others) and Webkit (Chrome, Safari, many others). Epiphany 2.26 and under are Gecko, 2.28 and up are Webkit. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:20:21 +0100 tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: ... Hi, I use KDE has my main DE so Konqueror is a natural choice when I don't want to start Iceweasel with it's saved 10 tabs+ for a quick browse. You could just keep a second IW profile around for this situation. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to now, I have rarely used Firefox for usenet news, as I preferred pan. I've heard of pine for newsgroups, but I heard that it was kind of hard to configure ; this may be wrong. For e-mail, I used to use staroffice mail in the old days when that did exist (So 5.1 and 5.2), and, ever since then, I am using Thunderbird, that is, Icedove on Debian Lenny. Alternately, I plan to use 'mutt', which is already up and running on my systems ever since 2005 or so, of which I have so far only made I an irregular use. Willing to use it again, I lately spent some time reconfiguring exim4, but it now seems to operate all right. Thanks in advance for your insights and advices Happy New Year to Everyone ! Bernard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On 2010-01-01 at 11:02:35 -0500, Bernard wrote: I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. If you have a GNOME desktop, which is the default desktop with Debian, the first thing that comes to mind is the Epiphany browser, which is installed by default. What I'm not sure of is how independent it is from iceweasel. It uses the same HTML rendering engine (Gecko) that iceweasel does; so it may share some config files. But that is what I would investigate first, since it's probably already installed. Happy New Year -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 17:02 +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. Gnome's browser epiphany comes to mind, it's also based on firefox IIRC. Also have a look at galeon if you need an alternate. Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... I don't think opera needs to be registered any more, haven't looked at it in a while though. There are debs for it at the opera website, it can be added to sources.list and installed with apt-get or aptitude friends also. Not a bad browser too if you need another. As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to now, I have rarely used Firefox for usenet news, as I preferred pan. I've heard of pine for newsgroups, but I heard that it was kind of hard to configure ; this may be wrong. For e-mail, I used to use staroffice mail in the old days when that did exist (So 5.1 and 5.2), and, ever since then, I am using Thunderbird, that is, Icedove on Debian Lenny. Alternately, I plan to use 'mutt', which is already up and running on my systems ever since 2005 or so, of which I have so far only made I an irregular use. Willing to use it again, I lately spent some time reconfiguring exim4, but it now seems to operate all right. Pine is what I used many moons ago for mail news. I suppose it might be a bit old school now but it does work wonderfully. Good if you want a console mail news app. There is also tin for newsgroups, also maybe old school but works well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Alan Ianson wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 17:02 +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. Gnome's browser epiphany comes to mind, it's also based on firefox IIRC. Also have a look at galeon if you need an alternate. Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... I don't think opera needs to be registered any more, haven't looked at it in a while though. There are debs for it at the opera website, it can be added to sources.list and installed with apt-get or aptitude friends also. Not a bad browser too if you need another. As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to now, I have rarely used Firefox for usenet news, as I preferred pan. I've heard of pine for newsgroups, but I heard that it was kind of hard to configure ; this may be wrong. For e-mail, I used to use staroffice mail in the old days when that did exist (So 5.1 and 5.2), and, ever since then, I am using Thunderbird, that is, Icedove on Debian Lenny. Alternately, I plan to use 'mutt', which is already up and running on my systems ever since 2005 or so, of which I have so far only made I an irregular use. Willing to use it again, I lately spent some time reconfiguring exim4, but it now seems to operate all right. Pine is what I used many moons ago for mail news. I suppose it might be a bit old school now but it does work wonderfully. Good if you want a console mail news app. There is also tin for newsgroups, also maybe old school but works well. Hi, I use KDE has my main DE so Konqueror is a natural choice when I don't want to start Iceweasel with it's saved 10 tabs+ for a quick browse. I also sometime use Opera (installed from the .deb provided on their website), and lately I have been testing Google Chrome Linux builds (installed from their .deb, note that just like Opera the Chrome package drops a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d to integrate with Debian's package management, if you don't like it you have to erase it and update manually). All those browsers are working more or less fine, minus occasional problems with flash or java (I'm on amd64), but none come close to Iceweasel's + extensions features IMHO. Have a nice time experimenting. godt nytt år to the list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to now, I have rarely used Firefox for usenet news, as I preferred pan. I've heard of pine for newsgroups, but I heard that it was kind of hard to configure ; this may be wrong. That's correct, it's wrong. Alpine is the replacement for pine and it uses the same config file as pine. Not hard at all to configure. You can use it for mail and news although I prefer slrn for news. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr wrote: From: Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr Subject: alternate web browser etc... To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:02 PM Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... As for newsgroups, I also wish to experiment something new. Up to now, I have rarely used Firefox for usenet news, as I preferred pan. I've heard of pine for newsgroups, but I heard that it was kind of hard to configure ; this may be wrong. For e-mail, I used to use staroffice mail in the old days when that did exist (So 5.1 and 5.2), and, ever since then, I am using Thunderbird, that is, Icedove on Debian Lenny. Alternately, I plan to use 'mutt', which is already up and running on my systems ever since 2005 or so, of which I have so far only made I an irregular use. Willing to use it again, I lately spent some time reconfiguring exim4, but it now seems to operate all right. Thanks in advance for your insights and advices Happy New Year to Everyone ! Bernard Je te recommande google chrome. Mais, il ya a beaucoup d'options. bonn chance /tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com translations interpreting http://www.baldwinsoftware.com tcl yer os with a feather -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Alan Ianson wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 17:02 +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. I use firefox 3.6 beta4, works great without any problem about java and other plugins. mess-mate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr wrote: | I wish to install an alternate web browser Google chrome is very good (as fast as was promised as far as I can see). It's free in both of the relevant senses and it's packaged for Debian/Ubuntu. Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:08:55 -0800 Jim McCloskey mccl...@ucsc.edu shared this with us all: Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr wrote: | I wish to install an alternate web browser Google chrome is very good (as fast as was promised as far as I can see). It's free in both of the relevant senses and it's packaged for Debian/Ubuntu. Jim Aha - didn't know it was licensed under GNU? Thanks for that. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 . The path:- a question leading to other questions; query is life. .anon . Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 08:02, Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone (iceweasel v3.0.6) that I already have. Iceweasel does fulfill my needs and expectations, but, for various reasons, I wish to also have something else too, one of these reasons being that it would be initiated with alternate identities, mail addresses etc.. In the meantime, this would allow me to test something else, which is the reason why I don't plan to install 'Netscape' which is about the same as Firefox/Iceweasel, sometimes using same conf files, bookmarks and so on. Netscape has been discontinued, and it was only (since 6.0) a slight derivative of the Mozilla Suite (now SeaMonkey) or Firefox. As a SeaMonkey user, I can assure you that it does not use the same files as FF - they are in a separate directory. Furthermore, why not just use Firefox profiles? They are easy to use and completely separate from each other. Besides config, history and bookmarks being separate, extensions are also separate. Why not 'Opera', even if it is not free (I doubt if it is very expensive) ? I may miss the knowledge of something better that Opera... Opera has been gratis and ad-free since 8.5, it was and remains non-libre. To those mentioning Epiphany, it is based on Gecko in older versions (but shares no config files), but the new version (2.28, dev version 2.29 currently in Testing/Sid), it is based on Webkit. On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:26, mess-mate messm...@free.fr wrote: I use firefox 3.6 beta4, works great without any problem about java and other plugins. Besides SeaMonkey 2.0, I also rather like Firefox 3.7alpha, which has plugins (read: Flash) in a separate process. On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:20, tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All those browsers are working more or less fine, minus occasional problems with flash or java (I'm on amd64), but none come close to Iceweasel's + extensions features IMHO. What problems have you had with Flash? I installed the 64 bit Flash beta for Linux (just grabbed the .so and symlinked it), and it has given me the best Flash experience I have ever had (not that that is hard). On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 17:41, Charlie aries...@clearmail.com.au wrote: On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:08:55 -0800 Jim McCloskey mccl...@ucsc.edu shared this with us all: Google chrome is very good (as fast as was promised as far as I can see). It's free in both of the relevant senses and it's packaged for Debian/Ubuntu. Aha - didn't know it was licensed under GNU? If you DL the Chrome binary package from Google there is an EULA, but the code and Chromium is under the BSD license. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 05:02:35PM +0100, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I wish to install an alternate web browser, else than the firefox clone epiphany (similar to firefox) elinks (text only) midori (never used it myself) konqueror (KDE app, and very good) dillo (very lightweight; not in Lenny repo) w3m (text only) galeon (never used it myself) lynx links links2 -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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* Charlie (aries...@clearmail.com.au) wrote: | Google chrome is very good (as fast as was promised as far as I can | see). It's free in both of the relevant senses and it's packaged for | Debian/Ubuntu. | | Jim | | Aha - didn't know it was licensed under GNU? No. My understanding is that the parts that Google authored are under the BSD license, so they can be imported either into open-source or proprietary projects; subparts that they took from elsewhere are under a variety of open-source licenses. Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 04:08:55PM -0800, Jim McCloskey wrote: Bernard bdebr...@teaser.fr wrote: | I wish to install an alternate web browser Google chrome is very good (as fast as was promised as far as I can see). It's free in both of the relevant senses and it's packaged for Debian/Ubuntu. Beware of packages provided by Google. They tend to mess with your sources.list (both directly and through a cron job). -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
