Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-10 Thread Joel Mayes
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Not really, I use spamassassin and razor and have a gnus score file
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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-10 Thread Brian Potkin
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:09:27PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
 for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)

Peter Flynn, a regular contributer to comp.text.tex, has recently made
the following documents available.

http://www.silmaril.ie/documents/beginlatex.pdf (1Mb)
http://www.silmaril.ie/documents/beginlatex.ps.gz (590Kb)

You might also be interested in

http://www.silmaril.ie/documents/latex-brochure/leaflet.pdf [840kb]
http://www.silmaril.ie/documents/latex-brochure/leaflet.ps.gz [500Kb])

The Indian TeX Users Group have a nice set of beginner's material at

http://www.river-valley.com/tug/tutorial/

Brian.



Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-10 Thread Paul Huygen
Andrew Nesbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (about suitable kooks for
LaTex):

 the Lamport one is a bit terse (more like an overview/reference)

Well, I must say, that I couldn't disagree more. I think that the
Lamport book is very well written, with amusing texts in the examples,
about gnus, gnats and armadillo's. I wish that more handbooks were
written like the Lamport book. When I started with LaTeX long ago,
I read the first three chapters, and could then easily start. The book
seems terse because it is concise, but it is the conciseness that
helps you to make a quick start.

Paul Huygen





Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Dickey
On Thursday 10 January 2002 04:32 pm, Paul Huygen wrote:
 Andrew Nesbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (about suitable kooks for

 LaTex):
  the Lamport one is a bit terse (more like an overview/reference)

 Well, I must say, that I couldn't disagree more. I think that the
 Lamport book is very well written, with amusing texts in the examples,
 about gnus, gnats and armadillo's. I wish that more handbooks were
 written like the Lamport book. When I started with LaTeX long ago,
 I read the first three chapters, and could then easily start. The book
 seems terse because it is concise, but it is the conciseness that
 helps you to make a quick start.

 Paul Huygen

I agree wholeheartedly. With no LaTex experience at all, I picked up the 
Lamport book and managed to write my 100+ page Masters thesis. That book was 
a lifesaver!

Michael



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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-10 Thread glynis
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:32:41PM +0100, Paul Huygen wrote:
 Andrew Nesbit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (about suitable kooks for
 LaTex):
  the Lamport one is a bit terse (more like an overview/reference)
 Well, I must say, that I couldn't disagree more. I think that the
 Lamport book is very well written, with amusing texts in the examples,
 about gnus, gnats and armadillo's. I wish that more handbooks were
 written like the Lamport book. When I started with LaTeX long ago,
 I read the first three chapters, and could then easily start. The book
 seems terse because it is concise, but it is the conciseness that
 helps you to make a quick start.

A Guide to LaTeX2e by Helmut Kopka and Patrick W Daly is the book i
chose over lamport's book.  it seemed to be packed with much more
information, and it got me through all my papers in college.  (you
didn't think i'd use a wordprocessor, did you?)

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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-09 Thread Andrew Nesbit

Joel Mayes wrote:


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Lamport's _LaTeX: A Document Preparation System_ and _The LaTeX Companion_
are good (the first is more of an introduction, the second a reference
book). Also check out http://www.tug.org/interest.html for links to lots
of good online documentation.



I'd also recomend the LaTeX Graphics companion, if your going to be
useing any graphics, Ignore the section on MusixTeX though it's out of
date, and lilypond-book just as good a job with a lot less work. (no
flames please)

Cheers

Joel 

All the books mentioned so far are excellent, but probably a bit tough 
for a first shot at LaTeX. The LaTeX Companion is definitely not 
suitable as a beginners book, the Lamport one is a bit terse (more like 
an overview/reference) and the Graphics one is really specialised. I 
have the book by Kopka  Daly (3rd edition) and it is just wonderful. 
Fairly deep, but very easy going for the beginner, and certainly not an 
idiot's guide. The LaTeX Companion is the best /second/ book to buy on 
LaTeX, when you need to do tricky stuff that isn't covered in Kopka  
Daly, and this /will/ happen if you are serious about LaTeX.


lshort is great if you want a free overview, but all it does is give you 
an overall flavour. Lamport you can get whenever; not a very important 
one IMHO, which is strange considering he (or is it she?) invented LaTeX.


Graphics Companion is quite specialised.

-Andrew

P.S. Joel, I noticed your sig. Have you got any helpful anti-spam tips? 
(I am having /terrible/ problems with spam at the moment).




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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-09 Thread Sebastiaan
Hi,
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Patrick Hsieh wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
 for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)
If you have installed LaTeX and it's documents on your system, go to
/usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/general/

There you find the files guide, latex2e and lshort (read them in that
order). Here it says pretty much about the latex basics. If you want to
expand your knowledge, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/. They
belong to the packages. So for example, if you want to make mathematical
documents, read /usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/amsmath/amsldoc.dvi.gz (by 
xdvi .../amsldoc.dvi.gz, there is no need to unzip it first).

That was about everything I needed to start me off. If you are wondering
about something, search the archives of comp.text.tex with google first.
Then you can always ask a question in that newsgroup.

Greetz,
Sebastiaan

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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-09 Thread MH
 Sebastiaan == Sebastiaan  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Sebastiaan Hi,
Sebastiaan On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Patrick Hsieh wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents
 recommended for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)

Sebastiaan If you have installed LaTeX and it's documents on your
Sebastiaan system, go to /usr/share/doc/texmf/latex/general/

   And be sure to check texdoctk, which is a nice front-end to nearly all the 
LaTeX
   documentation on your system (see above, but not only the docs from
   general)...
 

HTH,

MH

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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-09 Thread G. Soyez
There is also a doc file in Postscript : A not so short introduction to 
LaTeX 2e (the file is called lshort.ps), which is quite a good introduction.

Gregor

On Merkidi 09 Djanvî 2002 05:09, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 Hello,

 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
 for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)

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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-09 Thread Jason Healy
At 1010596167s since epoch (01/08/02 23:09:27 -0500 UTC), Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
 for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)

I've never read the official Lamport books, but I own and love

 A Guide to LATEX:
 Document Preparation for Beginners and Advanced Users 
 by Helmut Kopka and Patrick W. Daly.

I picked it up when I first started learning LaTeX, and it gave me
almost everything I needed to know to write my thesis (120 pages,
illustrations, crossrefs, math typsetting, bibliography, etc).

The book contains simple short chapters covering all the basics (page
layout, fonts and sizes, graphics, math, commands), and has a nice
command reference to find things quickly.

The only thing I found lacking was a section on creating PDFs -- that
technology has changed a fair amount since the book came out.
However, the online docs cover that in enough detail, and are
independent of the standard LaTeX typesetting commands.

For quick reference, I also recommend using the LaTeX Quick Reference
card found at 

 http://www.refcards.com/

They won't help you learn LaTeX, but they're great for helping to
remember those little details, and they're small enough to keep by
your computer.

Jason

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any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-08 Thread Patrick Hsieh
Hello,

I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)
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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-08 Thread Andrew Perrin
Lamport's _LaTeX: A Document Preparation System_ and _The LaTeX Companion_
are good (the first is more of an introduction, the second a reference
book). Also check out http://www.tug.org/interest.html for links to lots
of good online documentation.

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 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
 for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)
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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-08 Thread Allan M. Wind
On 2002-01-09 12:09:27, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
 I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
 for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)

Latex - A Document Preparation System - User's Guide  Reference
Manual by Leslie Lamport is good.  That said, I would be surprised if
you cannot find everything you need online (or in your LaTex
distribution).


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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-08 Thread dman
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:09:27PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
| Hello,
| 
| I am very new to LaTex. Is there any good books or documents recommended
| for me? Any recommends highly appreciated. :-)

lshort  (The Not So Short Introduction To LaTeX2e)  Google will
turn it up.  Pick the most recent one you find.

I just picked up Lamport's book yesterday, but haven't started it yet.

-D

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Re: any good LaTeX books/docs recommended to beginners?

2002-01-08 Thread Joel Mayes
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Andrew Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Lamport's _LaTeX: A Document Preparation System_ and _The LaTeX Companion_
 are good (the first is more of an introduction, the second a reference
 book). Also check out http://www.tug.org/interest.html for links to lots
 of good online documentation.
 

I'd also recomend the LaTeX Graphics companion, if your going to be
useing any graphics, Ignore the section on MusixTeX though it's out of
date, and lilypond-book just as good a job with a lot less work. (no
flames please)

Cheers

Joel 

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