Re: IRC stuff (was: bitchx (sucks!))
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 03:40:22PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: I would try talking to them, inviting them to participate in whatever the channels mission is, what else could I do? Then you don't understand the nature of these people. It is like going into alt.nuke-the-usa (I think that is it) and trying to rationally discuss topics with anyone there. No, it is not the same. In the one case, the other one is making the effort to come to you, in the latter case you are making an effort. Such a discussion is obviously not welcome on this newsgroup, why should I annoy them? For reference, antu is a newsgroup dedicated to going into other newsgroups and starting flamewars just to do it. There are always (at least) two parties participating in a flamewar. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: IRC stuff (was: bitchx (sucks!))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:16:08 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Then you don't understand the nature of these people. It is like going into alt.nuke-the-usa (I think that is it) and trying to rationally discuss topics with anyone there. No, it is not the same. In the one case, the other one is making the effort to come to you, in the latter case you are making an effort. Such a discussion is obviously not welcome on this newsgroup, why should I annoy them? Right, but my point was the following... For reference, antu is a newsgroup dedicated to going into other newsgroups and starting flamewars just to do it. There are always (at least) two parties participating in a flamewar. But it only takes one group to go into a newsgroup and *start* a flamewar. Go into rec.martial-arts and say that BJJ is the lamest martial art there is, that TKD is the absolute best, and that Van Damme could kick Gracie's ass twice every day and 20 times on Sunday. Even though you might not have a clue about any of that, you'll start a flame war. Now, if you were a member of antu, you'd've achieved your goal, the distruption of the newsgroup. For the people we eventually banned through a country ban, that was their objective, to disrupt the channel. But instead of doing it with a flamewar, they did it with clone bots, spamming the channel, etc. In both cases, you cannot just discuss it with them. There is no discussing it with them because it is a game to them and trying to discuss it with them will get your channel (newsgroup) targetted again. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuW7U3pf7K2LbpnFEQKxhQCff5r3V9Bj0gx9MvSHr9L7YRWOe58AoO3o 1u3MFAYi5niWMMYbE6aKKMxF =J0Dh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Wayne Topa wrote: [snip] I agree Steve, there are plenty of Manual(s) to read. But for a new IRC user they sure confusing. I have been trying to Window it but, as of yet, no luck. Sure, there's plenty of documentation, unfortunately that's like saying MS Office has plenty of documentation. It's a pain to sort through sometimes because there's just too many features in it. My $.02 See you on the flip side - Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
Subject: Re: bitchx (sucks!) Date: Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 01:45:18PM -0600 In reply to:steven walsh Quoting steven walsh([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BitchX suffers from it's own unique form of feature creep. Use IRCII with a nice script (one you are comfortable with and hopefully has no nasty backdoors like the ircN script that mIRC had *snicker*). I hear EPIC is a nice client as well, but I haven't toyed with it yet. I had a problem with Bitchx and looked for what was available in slink. Just downloaded zircon. Wow, I'm inpressed. Tck and loaded with features. I don't, haven't, used IRC before this week and I can use this pgm. Very nice. -- Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
steven walsh dixit: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Wayne Topa wrote: [snip] I agree Steve, there are plenty of Manual(s) to read. But for a new IRC user they sure confusing. I have been trying to Window it but, as of yet, no luck. Sure, there's plenty of documentation, unfortunately that's like saying MS Office has plenty of documentation. It's a pain to sort through sometimes because there's just too many features in it. Steve, most of the docs you pointed out say next to nothing. One may try to guess (as surely most bitchx users do) how to work things out, and that works some times, but not always. What really puts me off is the fact that, eg., /help say, will tell me how to show some fancy (but useless and annoying to others) way of echoing the typed characters on screen, and though other commands, probably more useful, there's no help available or almost none. What DID make me angry was the fact that whenever I tried to join #bitchx to get some help, I was banned from entering the reason being spammers, flooders and cloners, oh my! I just felt they didn't want most ppl using their program (whoever they were), fair enough, just don't make it publicly available and make me waste my time. My $.02 BTW, is there any way of typying the new euro sign? how about the old cent sign? Horacio.
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steven walsh dixit: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Wayne Topa wrote: [snip] I agree Steve, there are plenty of Manual(s) to read. But for a new IRC user they sure confusing. I have been trying to Window it but, as of yet, no luck. Sure, there's plenty of documentation, unfortunately that's like saying MS Office has plenty of documentation. It's a pain to sort through sometimes because there's just too many features in it. Steve, most of the docs you pointed out say next to nothing. One may try to guess (as surely most bitchx users do) how to work things out, and that works some times, but not always. What really puts me off is the fact that, eg., /help say, will tell me how to show some fancy (but useless and annoying to others) way of echoing the typed characters on screen, and though other commands, probably more useful, there's no help available or almost none. I get the impression you think I _like_ BitchX. I assure you I do not, nor do I believe the documentation is adequately provided. As for EfNet #bitchx, well, let's just say that I'm not surprised at their behavior. :) See you on the flip side - Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
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Re: bitchx (sucks!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:17:40 -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: I agree Steve, there are plenty of Manual(s) to read. But for a new IRC user they sure confusing. I have been trying to Window it but, as of yet, no luck. As for anything new, it is confusing, even with docs. Saying there are no docs is a falsehood, however. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuWMwXpf7K2LbpnFEQLpxQCdFPb9H4/i4QndJS9NDlziSMceDoAAoKeN HHLBcRK/70QWoAm+O6vwPwJ6 =urgU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:44:12 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, most of the docs you pointed out say next to nothing. One may try to guess (as surely most bitchx users do) how to work things out, and that works some times, but not always. I didn't guess, I RTFM'd. I read in the docs that BitchX is a derivative of ircII. The ircII man pages are included in the BX package. Gee, start there. Also it states that /bhelp (not /help!!!) is the BitchX help. /help depends on the ircII help files which, unless you've installed ircII, aren't there. What really puts me off is the fact that, eg., /help say, will tell me how to show some fancy (but useless and annoying to others) way of echoing the typed characters on screen, and though other commands, probably more useful, there's no help available or almost none. /bhelp. How many times will I say that before it sinks in. I found that in the first 20-30 seconds when I first used BX. What DID make me angry was the fact that whenever I tried to join #bitchx to get some help, I was banned from entering the reason being spammers, flooders and cloners, oh my! Could that be because your domain is banned? I bet it is. And why? Because they had problems with people from your domain flooding, spamming and clonning on their channel. Some of the channels I ran banned entire COUNTRIES because of people like that. I just felt they didn't want most ppl using their program (whoever they were), fair enough, just don't make it publicly available and make me waste my time. So far I've seen no evidence of that. So far all I've seen is a guy who does RTFM, is a clueless newbie who took a domain ban personally and is now whining publicly. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuWODXpf7K2LbpnFEQLBHwCfUFpWl1B413TH6Kanzd0ucSnsxgIAnjoM AemQO8PuMPDrZaSk8NO5ocZ2 =kFsC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bitchx (sucks!) (forwarded, oops!)
- Begin Forwarded Message - Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:24:00 -0600 (CST) From: steven walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bitchx (sucks!) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-MD5: tm9kkgAIpk3NEqxSyKGLDg== I didn't guess, I RTFM'd. I read in the docs that BitchX is a derivative of ircII. The ircII man pages are included in the BX package. Gee, start there. Also it states that /bhelp (not /help!!!) is the BitchX help. /help depends on the ircII help files which, unless you've installed ircII, aren't there. /bhelp is amusingly unsorted and approaches uselessness unless you actually already know the command you want. /bhelp. How many times will I say that before it sinks in. I found that in the first 20-30 seconds when I first used BX. See above. Could that be because your domain is banned? I bet it is. And why? Because they had problems with people from your domain flooding, spamming and clonning on their channel. Some of the channels I ran banned entire COUNTRIES because of people like that. The ability of some IRCers to blatantly ban entire countries because of the acts of a few is why EfNet is in a decline. Too many little kids fighting for power in a virtual medium. It's funny in a sad sort of way. So far I've seen no evidence of that. So far all I've seen is a guy who does RTFM, is a clueless newbie who took a domain ban personally and is now whining publicly. I dunno, all I see is an egotistical IRC/*nix user who is so high on his own experiences that he can't handle answering a simple question without trying to degrade him for _asking_. See you on the flip side - Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - End Forwarded Message - See you on the flip side - Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
[l] Help on Topic: index 4OP ABORT ADDIDLE ADDSHIT ADDUSER ADDLAME ADDFORWARD ADDWORD ADMIN AJOIN AJOINLIST AWAY BACK BAN BANS BANSTABANTYPE BANWORD BEEP BKBOTLIST BYE C CDCDCC CHANNEL CHANSTCHGAOP CHGCHAN CHGHOST CHANNEL CHANSTCHGAOPCHGCHANCHGHOST CHGLEVEL CHGPROT CHOPS CLEARAUTO CLEARLOCK CLEARTAB CLONES CONNECT CMSG CREDITCSAY CSET CTCP CWHO CWHOM CYCLE DESCRIBE DATE DBAN DCDCC Funny, looks alphabetized to me. Man, cwhom. Chgaop cghchanch... VERY INFORMATIVE. Alphabetical sorting isn't enough, help should be helpful. [inanity snipped] It was on dal.net and undernet, not efnet. I've not been on efnet in 5+ years for other reasons. And in each case we were justified. When we get 20-30 people form the same country trying to clone us off a channel each week and maybe 1-2 legit users each month for maybe 10 minutes, well, you do the math. You mean this sort of stupidity has invaded undernet too? Dalnet has always been sort of off its head. Regardless, the sensible thing to do would be to temporarily ban the country, then undo it later. Channels tend to do things like banning entire domains for years after an incident, which is simply ridiculous because it inevitably leads to the problems mentioned by our newbie friend. See what you want, just know that you're more than likely 100% wrong. I can only see what you project with your attitudes and behaviors. See you on the flip side - Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Fwd: Re: bitchx (sucks!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reply-to Reply-to ==BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE== From: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: steven walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:47:56 -0800 Reply-To: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 99 Professional (2.10.0382) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bitchx (sucks!) On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:24:01 -0600 (CST), steven walsh wrote: /bhelp is amusingly unsorted and approaches uselessness unless you actually already know the command you want. [l] Help on Topic: index 4OP ABORT ADDIDLE ADDSHIT ADDUSER ADDLAME ADDFORWARD ADDWORD ADMIN AJOIN AJOINLIST AWAY BACK BAN BANS BANSTABANTYPE BANWORD BEEP BKBOTLIST BYE C CDCDCC CHANNEL CHANSTCHGAOP CHGCHAN CHGHOST CHANNEL CHANSTCHGAOPCHGCHANCHGHOST CHGLEVEL CHGPROT CHOPS CLEARAUTO CLEARLOCK CLEARTAB CLONES CONNECT CMSG CREDITCSAY CSET CTCP CWHO CWHOM CYCLE DESCRIBE DATE DBAN DCDCC Funny, looks alphabetized to me. /bhelp. How many times will I say that before it sinks in. I found that in the first 20-30 seconds when I first used BX. See above. Yup, still alphabetized. Wow, that sure is unsorted. I am, well, stunned that I had never known that alphabetized was equal to unsorted. And here I though it was the most basic of sorting methods. Imagine that, graduated high school two years early with such a misconception of the world hammered into my head. The ability of some IRCers to blatantly ban entire countries because of the acts of a few is why EfNet is in a decline. Too many little kids fighting for power in a virtual medium. It's funny in a sad sort of way. It was on dal.net and undernet, not efnet. I've not been on efnet in 5+ years for other reasons. And in each case we were justified. When we get 20-30 people form the same country trying to clone us off a channel each week and maybe 1-2 legit users each month for maybe 10 minutes, well, you do the math. So far I've seen no evidence of that. So far all I've seen is a guy who does RTFM, is a clueless newbie who took a domain ban personally and is now whining publicly. I dunno, all I see is an egotistical IRC/*nix user who is so high on his own experiences that he can't handle answering a simple question without trying to degrade him for _asking_. See what you want, just know that you're more than likely 100% wrong. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- ===END FORWARDED MESSAGE=== - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuWbWnpf7K2LbpnFEQJ87gCfT4RxhhMizW5Gu9fjV6UyPb0J0DIAn2/B ixYfn94+6yu/bLDOArzLfOPT =+Usx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:51:00 -0600 (CST), steven walsh wrote: Funny, looks alphabetized to me. Man, cwhom. Chgaop cghchanch... VERY INFORMATIVE. Alphabetical sorting isn't enough, help should be helpful. You said it wasn't sorted, I pointed out that it was. Not my fault you don't find it helpful. However, if you've ever used ircII, which is what both EPIC and BX are based off of you'd find out something rather interesting. Its help is alphabetical as well. In fact, most help systems are alphabetical and nothing more, especially in the IRC world. Deal with it. You mean this sort of stupidity has invaded undernet too? Dalnet has always been sort of off its head. No, it is IRC as a whole, not just any particular network. Channel managers/ops can do what they like with channels because, in effect, they own the channels. Regardless, the sensible thing to do would be to temporarily ban the country, then undo it later. Channels tend to do things like banning entire domains for years after an incident, which is simply ridiculous because it inevitably leads to the problems mentioned by our newbie friend. How do you know that was the case this time? How do you know it wasn't just a temporary ban? I am a big proponent of temporary bans, btw, so please, stop preaching to the choir. See what you want, just know that you're more than likely 100% wrong. I can only see what you project with your attitudes and behaviors. Which are only a reflection of your own. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuWfh3pf7K2LbpnFEQLc9ACdFAR8lpdFG4BEzRkpDCLr23KqMcwAoNp3 YTqUPz8D1DbSFfsSfa/nyGSd =v68q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Fwd: Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 02:06:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: The ability of some IRCers to blatantly ban entire countries because of the acts of a few is why EfNet is in a decline. Too many little kids fighting for power in a virtual medium. It's funny in a sad sort of way. It was on dal.net and undernet, not efnet. I've not been on efnet in 5+ years for other reasons. And in each case we were justified. When we get 20-30 people form the same country trying to clone us off a channel each week and maybe 1-2 legit users each month for maybe 10 minutes, well, you do the math. Yeah, why should we try to improve our social life when a simple ban command makes us feel powerful. Banning and ignoring is the simplest way to deal with social problems. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: bitchx (sucks!) (forwarded, oops!)
Could that be because your domain is banned? I bet it is. And why? Because they had problems with people from your domain flooding, spamming and clonning on their channel. Some of the channels I ran banned entire COUNTRIES because of people like that. Now I can freely assume that #bitchx has banned me b'c of my country of origin, and feel free to spread that around. Very well, they have their right to do so (I can't assume it's b'c of my ISP domain since it's a rather new one). So far I've seen no evidence of that. So far all I've seen is a guy who does RTFM, is a clueless newbie who took a domain ban personally and is now whining publicly. No, I admit I was angry, not b'c of the ban, but the way they do it... the predisposition to punning, also the lame bit... no problem, I paid nothing for bitchx, so I won't complaint. Now, excuse me if I'd rather not follow this argument with someone who is eager to take a complaint for a whine. You know, some (many) Linux / Debian users find a barrier other than veterany when it comes to understand things, we usually read the documentation available in a language other than ours... but of course, that's not your problem. Horacio.
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
In a message dated 3/9/99 4:33:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See what you want, just know that you're more than likely 100% wrong. I can only see what you project with your attitudes and behaviors. Which are only a reflection of your own. Hey guys, can we take this flame-war to e-mail? Boy, but if we could teach people the difference between reply to all and reply... ;-) -Jay
Re: Fwd: Re: bitchx (sucks!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:24:21 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Yeah, why should we try to improve our social life when a simple ban command makes us feel powerful. Banning and ignoring is the simplest way to deal with social problems. No, banning is the way to get control of an otherwise unwieldy situation. Have you been on a channel that gets 10-20 clone/flood attacks per week? You can that a social problem but tell me, exactly how would *YOU* solve it, hmm? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuWm73pf7K2LbpnFEQJz0wCfSNNf0BX2PbZmvH6zHto14lKAXYUAnin+ h6ZacFcsV/5GxiDO5oPyFro8 =RM3J -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
Steve Lamb dixit: [ ... ] btw, so please, stop preaching to the choir. and just what's calling someone publicly a clueless newbie... whining... ? Horacio
Re: Fwd: Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 02:55:43PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: No, banning is the way to get control of an otherwise unwieldy situation. Have you been on a channel that gets 10-20 clone/flood attacks per week? You can that a social problem but tell me, exactly how would *YOU* solve it, hmm? There is no general solution to such a problem, but I have seen worse in Real Life. Sure, you can lock the door, but then? I would try talking to them, inviting them to participate in whatever the channels mission is, what else could I do? Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
IRC stuff (was: bitchx (sucks!))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:32:39 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: There is no general solution to such a problem, but I have seen worse in Real Life. Sure, you can lock the door, but then? See who is knocking. I would try talking to them, inviting them to participate in whatever the channels mission is, what else could I do? Then you don't understand the nature of these people. It is like going into alt.nuke-the-usa (I think that is it) and trying to rationally discuss topics with anyone there. For reference, antu is a newsgroup dedicated to going into other newsgroups and starting flamewars just to do it. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuWxZnpf7K2LbpnFEQKwFgCeNksD1jvs5warpu0dv3L27pudab4Anip9 k6cgmIxauIdSfpWwSbt8SAhz =seAL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
bitchx (sucks!)
Sorry about that (), but even if the program itself is damn good, the docs and /help really suck... further more, #bitchx SUCKS. I've been desperately trying to get help around, and even went to #bitchx at irc.chat.org, just to be kicked out every time I try to join it, the reason being spammers, flooders, and cloners, oh my!. It's fair if you are said to RTFM when there's one FM to be read, but bitchx docs are, to say the least, the most helpless docs I've seen around. Then, /help gives you help on some fancy stupid commands, but for most commands you just get no help available. Oh well, since they seem not to like most ppl using that program, fair enough, could you suggest any good irc client in Debian, please? TIA, Horacio P.D. sorry about the mood, but I just went round the bend after all.
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
Try ircII with a script. Or even better irc-EPIC. *--* Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *--* Voice: 425.739.4247 *--* Fax: 425.827.9577 *--* HTTP://www.otak-k.com/~lawrence/ -- - - - - - - O t a k i n c . - - - - - On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about that (), but even if the program itself is damn good, the docs and /help really suck... further more, #bitchx SUCKS. I've been desperately trying to get help around, and even went to #bitchx at irc.chat.org, just to be kicked out every time I try to join it, the reason being spammers, flooders, and cloners, oh my!. It's fair if you are said to RTFM when there's one FM to be read, but bitchx docs are, to say the least, the most helpless docs I've seen around. Then, /help gives you help on some fancy stupid commands, but for most commands you just get no help available. Oh well, since they seem not to like most ppl using that program, fair enough, could you suggest any good irc client in Debian, please? TIA, Horacio P.D. sorry about the mood, but I just went round the bend after all. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BitchX suffers from it's own unique form of feature creep. Use IRCII with a nice script (one you are comfortable with and hopefully has no nasty backdoors like the ircN script that mIRC had *snicker*). I hear EPIC is a nice client as well, but I haven't toyed with it yet.
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
Thanks Lawrence and Stephen, I downloaded ircii and it looks better documented than bitchx. I still don't know how to deal with the scripts, but they look promising and fun, and I even found a mailing list for ircii. Horacio
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:53:26 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about that (), but even if the program itself is damn good, the docs and /help really suck... further more, #bitchx SUCKS. /bhelp, not /help. /help is the ircII help files, not the BitchX help files. It's fair if you are said to RTFM when there's one FM to be read, but bitchx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/doc/bitchx}ls ; du BitchX-format bitchx.txt ircII.1.gz BitchX-ideabitchx.xpm.gzlutkax.ans BitchX.bot.gz bitchx_os2.diff.gz macbitchx BitchX.doc.gz bugs mode BitchX.faq.gz bx.ans pana-docs.txt.gz BitchX.help.gz bx2.txt pana-docs2.txt.gz BitchX.ircnameschangelog.Debian.gz pana.txt BitchX.quit.gz changelog.gz pandur.ans.gz BitchX.reasons.gz color.txtpersisting-bitchx-bugs.txt BitchX.tcl.gz config.h.gz plugins.gz README.Debian copyrighttabkey.stub README.hooks.gzfaq tcl-commands.doc.gz UPDATES.gz functions.gz tcl-ideas.gz bitch52.xpm.gz ideas.gz bitchx.asc internals 1 ./internals 1 ./faq 279 . 279k of docs, mostly gzipped. I'd say there is a FM to read. Oh well, since they seem not to like most ppl using that program, fair enough, could you suggest any good irc client in Debian, please? A good client is one that works for you. For me what works is BitchX with Crackrok as the script. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuRBeXpf7K2LbpnFEQKf+gCg/FceWIB9SYxsd+PiDP7y/6jM37oAnRhy jaTv6VwdsAzB2R1n5MBsKbU9 =8Uhz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: bitchx (sucks!)
Subject: Re: bitchx (sucks!) Date: Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 01:30:33PM -0800 In reply to:Steve Lamb Quoting Steve Lamb([EMAIL PROTECTED]): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:53:26 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry about that (), but even if the program itself is damn good, the docs and /help really suck... further more, #bitchx SUCKS. /bhelp, not /help. /help is the ircII help files, not the BitchX help files. It's fair if you are said to RTFM when there's one FM to be read, but bitchx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/doc/bitchx}ls ; du BitchX-format bitchx.txt ircII.1.gz BitchX-ideabitchx.xpm.gzlutkax.ans BitchX.bot.gz bitchx_os2.diff.gz macbitchx BitchX.doc.gz bugs mode BitchX.faq.gz bx.ans pana-docs.txt.gz BitchX.help.gz bx2.txt pana-docs2.txt.gz BitchX.ircnameschangelog.Debian.gz pana.txt BitchX.quit.gz changelog.gz pandur.ans.gz BitchX.reasons.gz color.txtpersisting-bitchx-bugs.txt BitchX.tcl.gz config.h.gz plugins.gz README.Debian copyrighttabkey.stub README.hooks.gzfaq tcl-commands.doc.gz UPDATES.gz functions.gz tcl-ideas.gz bitch52.xpm.gz ideas.gz bitchx.asc internals 1 ./internals 1 ./faq 279 . 279k of docs, mostly gzipped. I'd say there is a FM to read. Oh well, since they seem not to like most ppl using that program, fair enough, could you suggest any good irc client in Debian, please? A good client is one that works for you. For me what works is BitchX with Crackrok as the script. I agree Steve, there are plenty of Manual(s) to read. But for a new IRC user they sure confusing. I have been trying to Window it but, as of yet, no luck. BTW I looked for 'Crackrok' but can't find it. If it doesn't come in a small plastic bag, could you say where or what it is? Thanks -- Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
